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7% of Dutch women work part-time. Why is the Netherlands so different?
05-16-2015, 07:46 PM
Generous governments mean women don't have to work as much to get by.
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05-16-2015, 10:10 PM
I worked in the Netherlands for a few years. The women in my department worked full time. The women were laid back and not hypersensitive or neurotic like in the US. It's a good place to work - you work regular hours and get a good vacation. At my seniority level, I was getting about 40 days of vacation a year.
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05-17-2015, 06:42 AM
Yeah but even with that the birthrate in The Netherlands is still barely above the german birthrate which was already super low so they are still going downhill.
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05-17-2015, 11:30 AM
Netherlands has a rather high wage structure, but people can cut their expenses much more than in other countries. Companies have started saving costs by offering those part-time jobs to women. Instead of hiring one full time, they instead hire 2 half-time, because it is cheaper to them.
But men still do have to make decent dough. It's not all bad, but not totally voluntary by women either.
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05-17-2015, 02:02 PM
Interesting, thanks for the post. Would be interesting to map countries to their labor flexibility in this sense, and see how it maps to female labor participation.
Here in America, we spend so much money on transportation, healthcare and housing that is needlessly expensive thanks to government policy, which pushes more women into the workforce. Just to survive at middle class standards America means forgoing much of your disposable income.
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05-17-2015, 06:06 PM
"The expenses of commuting are more to do with the geography and sprawl of American metro areas. We have the same issue in Canada. "
...which was induced by government policy. Zoning, federal highways, mortgage tax deductions, underpriced utilities in the suburbs and a thousand other things that made sprawl cheaper to the sprawlers than it cost the public at large.
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05-17-2015, 06:27 PM
This thread need more "Spike."
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05-18-2015, 03:16 AM
It seemed like every Dutch girl I met over there had already had an American boyfriend (or two, or three...). As for their shitty cooking abilities, the Dutch aren't exactly known for creative culinary offerings so that could be part of the problem. But they are nice and tall with long legs, which counts for a lot.
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05-18-2015, 10:54 AM
That was my point with the quip about the birthrate... They're still not having babies, they arent getting important degrees that are worth anything so at this point they're just there selfishly leeching off of taxpayer money which doesn't seem like a good thing to me. I'd also bet that the birthrate among "DUTCH" women is even lower, cause it would be the muslim women and other immigrant women who are there who are more inclined to have the babies and be family oriented.
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05-18-2015, 04:55 PM
It's not just the women, there's no other country in the world where ~29% of the men work less than 36 hours either. It's cultural. People choose part-time because politicians and businesses owners make it possible and condone it. That's the whole catch.
I personally work 40 hours, but I can't really blame anyone for not wanting to stay in offices any longer than necessary, especially when you're not really ambitious in the first place. Let these people be happy outside, just making a little less money. I'm no leftie by any stretch, but what's the goal of life: live to work or work to live? If you really let women choose freely, like old school feminists said they wanted to, you'll see that some want to work full-time, some want to stay at home and a lot tend to want to work part-time. Plenty of feminists get angry at Dutch women for choosing what they like, versus becoming careerists like men.
Also, enough with the fertility rate nonsense. All developed countries, minus Israel, have low birthrates. No part in the world with lower birth rates than developed East Asia. Low fertility, low death rates: the new norm for modern developed market economies. NW Europe, minus Italy and Germany, is actually bouncing back up a little bit to more sustainable birth rates -- France, UK, Scandinavia, Netherlands are all pretty similar or merging. White women in the US have a similar birth rate as white NW European women, the only difference is that the US is more pronounced -- more childless women and more highly fertile women, which is logical because the US is very large diverse nation with many cultural spheres and the existence of a sizable, devout Christian population. The US also gets a slight bump in the overall TFR, all women combined, because of massive migration -- but migrant women's daughters tend to merge to the mean after one generation.