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08-02-2014, 07:07 PM
AntiTrace - first off, that photo was taken from a blog from a Vegas resident, I did not have a camera with me at the time I was outdoors observing this. Second of all, I only posted it as an example of what I observed. What I saw over the course of an hour or so was several jets making multiple lines all across the sky, not just the few depicted in that pic.
And I repeat, I watched long enough to know that all of the trails criss crossing in a grid pattern where not airplanes approaching for landing on parallel runways at McCarran. I'll admit that I did not watch long enough to see where these jets laying down the grid of contrails went...they were still going at it with the back and forth when I went back inside. But I did periodically go outside afterwards and noted the trails just hung there and very slowly dissipated into a hazy overcast cloud cover over entire areas of the valley.
But during that time where I just sat outside and watched, I saw several of these jets make back and forth patterns...not the same as jets circling until they have permission to land, and certainly not intercontinental flights passing through Vegas airspace.
Anyhow, I'm done arguing on this thread. My purpose was to see if anyone has seen similar phenomena, not argue the veracity of conspiracy theory.
You guys have tried to expalin to me what you think I saw. Your explanations don't jibe with what I saw.
That is all I'm saying.
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08-02-2014, 07:51 PM
You don't even bother to give our valid explanations a response and then back out of the discussion because we arent validating your observations.
One of the first explanations proffered was that I was watching jets circling, waiting for permission from ATC to land. Based on what I saw, I found this explanation extremely improbable.
Then someone said I was simply seeing the contrails of coastal flights flying in Vegas airspace. I'm fairly certain NY - LAX flights don't fly back and forth over the vegas valley multiple times before resuming their coast-to-coast flights to JFK/LAX.
Finally, you stated you think I saw parallel contrails from jets using parallel runways to land. I'm telling you I saw 5-7 jets, criss crossing the sky at a much higher altitude than all of the regular commercial traffic I was watching take off and land at McCarran at the same time.
None of yours or anyone else's explanations are satisfactory in explaining to me what I saw.
It's not just the grid patterns, but the way it took these contrail grids hours to dissipate, and they did not dissipate completely, but turned into hazy cloud cover that blanketed the sky for hours.
Maybe you all are correct, but I just don't find these explanations plausible explanations for what I witnessed myself.
It looked to me like a deliberate, systematic operation. But I'll let you know if any of you do come up with something more plausible in my mind's eye to explain what I saw, than what's been proffered so far....so far I remain unconvinced. Not because I'm being stubborn or clinging to my theory, but simply because none of your explanations (which I did honestly read and consider) match up with what I witnessed.
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08-02-2014, 07:57 PM
I also explained the possibility of maintenance test flights which routinely travel back and forth in a certain airspace.
Again, your talking to an expert. How about you ask me a question, as opposed to blatantly dismissing my input.
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08-02-2014, 08:10 PM
I also explained the possibility of maintenance test flights which routinely travel back and forth in a certain airspace.
I'll concede that is the best fit to explain what I saw in terms of the flight patterns, and Nellis Air Force Base is located in the Vegas Valley area in which military jets would be much more likely to engage in such flight patterns.
I'm not just dismissing your input, just the input that doesn't adequately explain what I saw to my satisfaction. But I can go with routine test flights/maintenance to explain the deliberate, systematic grid flight patterns.
My dismissal is reserved for all the arguments here that tried to tell me I was witnessing normal commercial aircraft behavior.
On that, I remain unconvinced they adequately explain what I saw.
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08-03-2014, 03:46 PM
Hanlon's Razor when it comes to most conspiracies.
The government isn't even competent enough to do anything about unarmed minors crossing the border. The government wasn't competent enough to prevent 9/11 despite the fact that there were very ample indicators that such an attack was being planned. You expect me to believe that everyone is in on some grand conspiracy?
Not only that, but as more people know about a scheme, it is exponentially more likely to be revealed. Such was the case with the NSA. The agency is large enough that there was no way it was going to keep its secrets in the dark forever. For this conspiracy to work, a whole lot of people would need to be in on it. Even if you want to say that the pilots don't know what they're spraying out (and for what purpose?), some people somewhere needs to know about and coordinate it, and it would be a large enough number to support the likelihood of the conspiracy getting out.
To believe in a conspiracy theory in most cases you would need to literally make so many assumptions that you might as well still argue for a geocentric solar system (you can technically try to argue that too, but the fact that the heliocentric model requires far, far fewer assumptions is one of the reasons why it's a lot more likely to be true). It's usually such a violation of Occam's Razor that it can usually be dismissed outright.
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08-04-2014, 09:04 AM
Everybody must participate in this poll. And I think they are doing it deliberately for sure!
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02-21-2015, 07:15 PM
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02-21-2015, 09:40 PM
I can't help but notice that when someone believes one conspiracy theory, they tend to believe them all.
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02-21-2015, 09:58 PM
Some conspiracy theories are true. The vast majority are tinfoil mental masturbation.
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02-21-2015, 10:35 PM
A good way to determine whether a conspiracy theory has any merit or not is to ask yourself if anyone has gone to jail for espousing it.
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02-21-2015, 11:27 PM
The Chemtrail theory is seriously ridiculous.
If the government (or whoever) was trying to 'poison' or brainwash us, wouldn't it be incredibly more easy just to put it in the water supply?
My Chemistry professor in college said it's ridiculous that anyone can even believe this and that it would be incredibly difficult/nearly impossible to pull it off.
Who has more weight behind their argument, my Chemistry professor who has a PhD in Chemistry with decades of research and an expert on the subject of 'chemicals', or some washed out hippies smoking hash in the woods?
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02-22-2015, 12:43 AM
Quote: (02-21-2015 11:27 PM)AldoKelevra Wrote:
If the government (or whoever) was trying to 'poison' or brainwash us, wouldn't it be incredibly more easy just to put it in the water supply?
Flouride, duh.
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05-15-2015, 12:57 PM
They're legitimate.
While working in the military on a DOD-exclusive system, I came across files (Marked UNCLASSIFIED//FOUO) that talk about something called "Operation Patriot Spray". The files themselves are a list of talking points that Force Commanders "should be prepared to discuss due to the high visibility of spraying operations".
Don't believe me? Look it up on SIPR.