[irishpolyglot]

(01-29-2012 01:35 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

I don't believe he gave American women a pass.

As I said in the article, they have a thing for Irish accents.

So, while I certainly would not like to live in the states, I look forward to going back to visit!

Appreciate the discussion everyone!

[raliv]

(01-29-2012 08:54 PM)irishpolyglot Wrote:  

(01-29-2012 01:35 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

I don't believe he gave American women a pass.

As I said in the article, they have a thing for Irish accents.

So, while I certainly would not like to live in the states, I look forward to going back to visit!

Appreciate the discussion everyone!

Been registered since August 2010. What a twist!

[sheesh]

I think the Irish guy is pretty much spot on with the majority of his observations although his negative bias towards the US is a bit too strong.

Imho,a big plus of North America is the openness of its people. It is very easy to get into contact with people in the States and Canada, to make new friends, to get invited to parties, to break into social circles etc. I have never experienced this on a similar level in Europe (excluding UK+Ireland which I've never been to but countries which I suspect to be similar to America in that respect).

All in all though, I feel that quality of life is slightly lower in the US than in Western and Northern Europe and I'd rather stay on my side of the pond. I prefer living in European cities which for the most part still feel like "real" cities and not like gigantic parking lots.

[Luckystar]

(01-29-2012 08:00 PM)billy Wrote:  

I think I am going to cry. Russia is partly in Europe and partly in Asia. I am well aware of there being different people in the Indian subcontinent and so do most British people. from England to Russia, Europe is MUCH more diverse than I think you give it credit for. Remember that even in Spain there are a variety of languages and cultures Basques have a very different language to Spanish and Catalan and by the time you consider Galica and Aranease thats alot of languages just for Spain. Europe is a very small place with massive diversity of Language and culture. Remember that the culture of France is a Polar opposite to the UK and as such they have been our traditional Enemy for 1000 years. Trying to claim that Russia and china have similar levels of cultural diversity to the whole of Europe is silly.

Couldn't help myself.

[Deluge]

(01-30-2012 02:14 AM)Luckystar Wrote:  

(01-29-2012 08:00 PM)billy Wrote:  

I think I am going to cry. Russia is partly in Europe and partly in Asia. I am well aware of there being different people in the Indian subcontinent and so do most British people. from England to Russia, Europe is MUCH more diverse than I think you give it credit for. Remember that even in Spain there are a variety of languages and cultures Basques have a very different language to Spanish and Catalan and by the time you consider Galica and Aranease thats alot of languages just for Spain. Europe is a very small place with massive diversity of Language and culture. Remember that the culture of France is a Polar opposite to the UK and as such they have been our traditional Enemy for 1000 years. Trying to claim that Russia and china have similar levels of cultural diversity to the whole of Europe is silly.

Couldn't help myself.

There are 38 ethnic groups in India with roughly 28 languages. Russia Federation is home to as many as 160 different ethnic groups. There are 56 ethnic groups in China that are officially recognized by the government of the People's Republic of China.

You can make an argument these places are more diverse.

It's like I said, if you said my origin is Indian, you have no idea how utterly meaningless that is. It's equivalent of using the term 'European'. My background is Punjabi, the way yours is Irish. My ethnic background is known to farm, drink, and fight. We have our own language, music, and food - different than other Indians. We even look different; bigger noses, taller, and usually a shade lighter, not that anyone takes the time to notice.

Despite the incredible cultural awareness of Europeans, I've only ever been referred to as 'Indian'. What irony. Indians aren't pretentious about their background though. Neither are the Chinese or Russians. But guess who is...

Good luck finding a non-Han Chinese in any of the major cities. China is far less ethnically diverse than South Asia (92% of the PRC is Han), but not linguistically. There's a huge diversity in their dialect in rural areas. Even Shanghai had its own language "Wu" but it's dying out. Beijing pushed Mandarin hard.

Luckystar, my background is Sri Lankan. I've had white Australians be able to guess that I was Sri Lankan and not Indian, even though I could easily pass for a Southern or Central Indian. I have no clue how they can tell, but they can. Some specifically ask which exact ethnic group of Sri Lanka I come from (although there's only two excluding the white Burghers). All of which always surprises me.

[billy]

So what your are a punjabi ? My best friend at junior school was a punjabi, in England there are loads of sri lankans pakistanis bangladeshis and Indians the guy in my local petrol station in a sri lankan ,we know the difference, so why do you keep going on about it? It does not change the fact that attributing a cultural stereo type to a continent is stupid. 40% of Russia is in europe so again why are you banging on about it ?
Just so you know this is not a contest about cultural diversity this is a comment about stupid Americans generalising a massvely diverse continent. On a cultural level the uk has more in common with th US than with alot of countries in Europe. Just so you know my mother is Irish my dad was born in Gujrat to an Ismaili father and a native Gujrati mother, he grew up though in Tanzania . I am teling you this so you know hatping on about India, as if I know nothing about it makes you look silly.

[Vicious]

How many times can we have this dickwagging on the board?

[Amour Fou]

(01-30-2012 05:17 AM)Vicious Wrote:  

How many times can we have this dickwagging on the board?

Praise the LAWD, here it comes again. It's like a hydra, when you cut a head, two other spring on its place.

[sylo]

(01-30-2012 04:43 AM)billy Wrote:  

Just so you know this is not a contest about cultural diversity this is a comment about stupid Americans generalising a massvely diverse continent.

In your wildly intelligent posting, you must have forgotten this was actually a discussion posted by an Irish man ingnorantly generalizing the massively diverse country you obviously have no bias against.

And dont flatter yourself, 90% of the worlds population is stupid. Americans are just smarter marketers, so you see more of the stupid ones, as apposed to, dumb ass Euro trash.

[SVK]

I'm European living in USA and I like it here and don't plan on going back in the immediate future. Main reason is much better money and opportunities (both employment and business) in my field, especially considering the generally low prices of consumer goods and real estate. Simply very comfortable life. Also weather is another positive, I hate cold and thus enjoy the 70 F winters here in Arizona. The girls are definitely far better back home than here, in both looks and attitude. This, however forced me to work on myself, so even this was a positive influence for my personal development. Also accent of any sort helps so this gives me an edge over natives and landed me some effortless lays. But can't believe the Irish guy actually listed American girls as a plus, but if Irish girls are similar to British girls I can understand. The little things that bother him used to bother me as well, but I got used to it, it really is more of a cultural thing than anything else.

All in all I think America is a great country - it gives you the opportunities and it is up to you to seize them and live your life as you want. Just because most people are mediocre doesn't mean you have to be.

[Deb Auchery]

(02-08-2012 01:38 PM)SVK Wrote:  

I'm European living in USA and I like it here and don't plan on going back in the immediate future. Main reason is much better money and opportunities (both employment and business) in my field, especially considering the generally low prices of consumer goods and real estate. Simply very comfortable life. Also weather is another positive, I hate cold and thus enjoy the 70 F winters here in Arizona. The girls are definitely far better back home than here, in both looks and attitude. This, however forced me to work on myself, so even this was a positive influence for my personal development. Also accent of any sort helps so this gives me an edge over natives and landed me some effortless lays. But can't believe the Irish guy actually listed American girls as a plus, but if Irish girls are similar to British girls I can understand. The little things that bother him used to bother me as well, but I got used to it, it really is more of a cultural thing than anything else.

All in all I think America is a great country - it gives you the opportunities and it is up to you to seize them and live your life as you want. Just because most people are mediocre doesn't mean you have to be.

Well it would help if you told us where you are comparing USA to.

And why are you calling yourself European? nobody in Europe calls themselves European.

[SVK]

(02-08-2012 04:45 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 01:38 PM)SVK Wrote:  

I'm European living in USA and I like it here and don't plan on going back in the immediate future. Main reason is much better money and opportunities (both employment and business) in my field, especially considering the generally low prices of consumer goods and real estate. Simply very comfortable life. Also weather is another positive, I hate cold and thus enjoy the 70 F winters here in Arizona. The girls are definitely far better back home than here, in both looks and attitude. This, however forced me to work on myself, so even this was a positive influence for my personal development. Also accent of any sort helps so this gives me an edge over natives and landed me some effortless lays. But can't believe the Irish guy actually listed American girls as a plus, but if Irish girls are similar to British girls I can understand. The little things that bother him used to bother me as well, but I got used to it, it really is more of a cultural thing than anything else.

All in all I think America is a great country - it gives you the opportunities and it is up to you to seize them and live your life as you want. Just because most people are mediocre doesn't mean you have to be.

Well it would help if you told us where you are comparing USA to.

And why are you calling yourself European? nobody in Europe calls themselves European.

You're right, didn't realize that I didn't disclose my country of origin; it is Slovakia. As for calling myself European - that was due to the original article "17 cultural reasons why this European never wants to live in America"

[Moma]

(02-09-2012 01:39 PM)SVK Wrote:  

You're right, didn't realize that I didn't disclose my country of origin; it is Slovakia. As for calling myself European - that was due to the original article "17 cultural reasons why this European never wants to live in America"

How did you get your visa for America?

[Deb Auchery]

(02-09-2012 01:39 PM)SVK Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 04:45 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 01:38 PM)SVK Wrote:  

I'm European living in USA and I like it here and don't plan on going back in the immediate future. Main reason is much better money and opportunities (both employment and business) in my field, especially considering the generally low prices of consumer goods and real estate. Simply very comfortable life. Also weather is another positive, I hate cold and thus enjoy the 70 F winters here in Arizona. The girls are definitely far better back home than here, in both looks and attitude. This, however forced me to work on myself, so even this was a positive influence for my personal development. Also accent of any sort helps so this gives me an edge over natives and landed me some effortless lays. But can't believe the Irish guy actually listed American girls as a plus, but if Irish girls are similar to British girls I can understand. The little things that bother him used to bother me as well, but I got used to it, it really is more of a cultural thing than anything else.

All in all I think America is a great country - it gives you the opportunities and it is up to you to seize them and live your life as you want. Just because most people are mediocre doesn't mean you have to be.

Well it would help if you told us where you are comparing USA to.

And why are you calling yourself European? nobody in Europe calls themselves European.

You're right, didn't realize that I didn't disclose my country of origin; it is Slovakia. As for calling myself European - that was due to the original article "17 cultural reasons why this European never wants to live in America"

Make sure you refer to yourself as Slovakian in future .

[Mr.GM]

Wow, wouldn't be Slovakia pussy paradise?

[SVK]

(02-09-2012 01:54 PM)Moma Wrote:  

How did you get your visa for America?

I came here on J-1 internship visa and later married an American girl. Was married for almost 5 years, wouldn't recommend this stunt to anybody. However, I got a green card through this and the divorce was amicable and quite painless. Still, years were lost. But life experience gained.

(02-09-2012 02:37 PM)Mr.GM Wrote:  

Wow, wouldn't be Slovakia pussy paradise?

Yes, it's pretty good there. I didn't realize how good we had it while I lived there, only when I came back to visit (finally single) I could compare. The average girl is definitely more attractive and friendly. I used online pipelining exclusively and it worked very well with very little effort, no comparison to online dating in USA.
But I do quite well in America as well. Scottsdale, AZ where I live has a lot of hot girls and American girls are "liberated" (read slutty) and jump into bed easily. 99& of them are not LTR material, but that's OK with me...

[Iceinthewater]

omg I agree with this so much!

[ManAbout]

(02-08-2012 01:38 PM)SVK Wrote:  

I'm European living in USA and I like it here and don't plan on going back in the immediate future. Main reason is much better money and opportunities (both employment and business) in my field, especially considering the generally low prices of consumer goods and real estate.

If you are educated and/or entrepreneurial countries like India are the place to be at the moment. The rags to riches stories are happening here every day. I am seeing it in front of my eyes at the moment. The middle class is exploding, and their demand for goods and services is almost insatiable. America and Europe are growing at an anemic 2-3%, here it is around 8% as the official figure, but there is a massive underground economy which is not being counted.

[Deb Auchery]

(02-10-2012 02:02 AM)ManAbout Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 01:38 PM)SVK Wrote:  

I'm European living in USA and I like it here and don't plan on going back in the immediate future. Main reason is much better money and opportunities (both employment and business) in my field, especially considering the generally low prices of consumer goods and real estate.

If you are educated and/or entrepreneurial countries like India are the place to be at the moment. The rags to riches stories are happening here every day. I am seeing it in front of my eyes at the moment. The middle class is exploding, and their demand for goods and services is almost insatiable. America and Europe are growing at an anemic 2-3%, here it is around 8% as the official figure, but there is a massive underground economy which is not being counted.

I agree, i'm loving the Ukraine at the moment, but if it were not for the women I would be out of this dump pretty fast.

Was thinking on India as a long-term option, never been before, but would be nice to live in a country that is on the way up instead of Ukraine which is on it's way to nowhere. I'm also an Entrepreneur so I see a vast amount of business opportunity in India.

Only things i'm put off with are the dirtiness, disease, sickness etc. Plus I would have to take a girl there with me as i'm not attracted to Indian women

[Deb Auchery]

(02-09-2012 02:37 PM)Mr.GM Wrote:  

Wow, wouldn't be Slovakia pussy paradise?

Not for me, I went to Bratislava, I didn't find the people very friendly, in fact one guy threatened to kill us in a bar. Found the city to be gloomy as hell too, nobody smiling.

Heard similar stories from other people, nobody seems to like Bratislava much. Perhaps it's better outside of Bratislava?

Did meet a girl though who said if I ever come back to town she would fuck me

[ManAbout]

(02-10-2012 02:09 AM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

Was thinking on India as a long-term option, never been before, but would be nice to live in a country that is on the way up instead of Ukraine which is on it's way to nowhere. I'm also an Entrepreneur so I see a vast amount of business opportunity in India.

Only things i'm put off with are the dirtiness, disease, sickness etc. Plus I would have to take a girl there with me as i'm not attracted to Indian women

Come to Goa, it's crawling with Russians, including a lot of 18-25 year old women who come here for sun and the sea. They are mostly in the 6-7 range looks wise, with some 8s thrown in as well. Haven't seen a Russian 9 here yet, though I am sure they are around. Russians have their own beaches and own parties, you would have to spend time here to get into that circle.

[Tail Gunner]

(01-28-2012 10:00 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

(01-28-2012 09:40 PM)mofo Wrote:  

In my opinion the US is the best place to go from rags to riches. If anybody thinks differently than please tell me where it is easier to go from zero to hero in terms of money.

Not anymore my friend. This according to the Brookings Institute

ECONOMIC MOBILITY OF FAMILIES ACROSS
GENERATIONS IS LOWER IN THE UNITED STATES
THAN IN MANY OTHER COUNTRIES
While Americans have an optimistic faith in the ability of individuals to
get ahead within a lifetime or from one generation to the next, there
is growing evidence of less intergenerational economic mobility
in the United States than in many other rich industrialized countries,
at least according to the relative mobility measures commonly used
in economic research.
The earnings of American men are more closely tied to the earnings of their fathers than are those of men in other countries. Both the United States and the United Kingdom stand out as having higher associations between fathers’and sons’ earnings—and thereforeless economic mobility—than do seven other industrialized countries, according to a comprehensive review by Corak. After reviewing dozens of studies of the earnings relationship between fathers and sons in the United States and other countries, and adjusting the statistics for comparability to the extent possible, Corak ranked the ninecountries in the order shown by
the bars in Figure 2.
• Low-mobility countries. In the United States and the
United Kingdom, about half (50 percent) of parental earnings advantages are passed onto sons. If trends hold consistent, it would
take an average of six generations for family economic advantage
to disappear in the United Statesand the United Kingdom.
• Mid-range countries. France, Germany, and Sweden were in
the mid-range of mobility measures for these nine countries.
• High-mobility countries. Paternal earnings had the least
effect on sons’ earnings in Canada, Norway, Finland, and Denmark, where less than 20 percent of income advantages are passed onto children. The implication of these statistics is that in these countries it would take three,
not six, generations, to essentially cancel out the effects of being
born into a wealthy family.
Recent studies suggest that Italy may be in the same “low-mobility” range as the United States and the United Kingdom, while both Spain and Australia join the list of countries with higher rates of mobility than
the United States.

The Brookings Institute is a liberal think tank. What would you expect them to say? I read an article recently that explained why President Obama's class warfare rhetoric does not work -- i.e., because so many people in the middle class know from personal experience what it's like to be poor and to work to become successful. The statistics in the article showed that the vast majority of young poor people transitioned into a comfortable middle class lifestyle within twenty years.

[Tail Gunner]

(01-29-2012 09:01 AM)Mr.GM Wrote:  

But obviously I agree that American Politics are fucked up , the police state ,moral hipocrisy , crazy gun laws , wasteful consumerism etc..

Firearms serve as a last-resort against the police state. At least Americans have this protection. Europeans do not. A man who can own a gun is a citizen; a man who cannot is a subject. As someone who personally backed-off three gang-bangers with a Beretta, I can tell you that I would much rather be a citizen.

A historical fact: Several top military leaders of the Japanese military attended university in the U.S. and were quite familiar with the U.S. gun culture. As a result, during WWII they made the decision not to invade the U.S. west coast even if the opportunity arose. The only European country with a similar gun culture, Switzerland, was also spared invasion.

[chochemonger1]

(02-10-2012 02:32 AM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

(01-28-2012 10:00 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

(01-28-2012 09:40 PM)mofo Wrote:  

In my opinion the US is the best place to go from rags to riches. If anybody thinks differently than please tell me where it is easier to go from zero to hero in terms of money.

Not anymore my friend. This according to the Brookings Institute

ECONOMIC MOBILITY OF FAMILIES ACROSS
GENERATIONS IS LOWER IN THE UNITED STATES
THAN IN MANY OTHER COUNTRIES
While Americans have an optimistic faith in the ability of individuals to
get ahead within a lifetime or from one generation to the next, there
is growing evidence of less intergenerational economic mobility
in the United States than in many other rich industrialized countries,
at least according to the relative mobility measures commonly used
in economic research.
The earnings of American men are more closely tied to the earnings of their fathers than are those of men in other countries. Both the United States and the United Kingdom stand out as having higher associations between fathers’and sons’ earnings—and thereforeless economic mobility—than do seven other industrialized countries, according to a comprehensive review by Corak. After reviewing dozens of studies of the earnings relationship between fathers and sons in the United States and other countries, and adjusting the statistics for comparability to the extent possible, Corak ranked the ninecountries in the order shown by
the bars in Figure 2.
• Low-mobility countries. In the United States and the
United Kingdom, about half (50 percent) of parental earnings advantages are passed onto sons. If trends hold consistent, it would
take an average of six generations for family economic advantage
to disappear in the United Statesand the United Kingdom.
• Mid-range countries. France, Germany, and Sweden were in
the mid-range of mobility measures for these nine countries.
• High-mobility countries. Paternal earnings had the least
effect on sons’ earnings in Canada, Norway, Finland, and Denmark, where less than 20 percent of income advantages are passed onto children. The implication of these statistics is that in these countries it would take three,
not six, generations, to essentially cancel out the effects of being
born into a wealthy family.
Recent studies suggest that Italy may be in the same “low-mobility” range as the United States and the United Kingdom, while both Spain and Australia join the list of countries with higher rates of mobility than
the United States.

The Brookings Institute is a liberal think tank. What would you expect them to say? I read an article recently that explained why President Obama's class warfare rhetoric does not work -- i.e., because so many people in the middle class know from personal experience what it's like to be poor and to work to become successful. The statistics in the article showed that the vast majority of young poor people transitioned into a comfortable middle class lifestyle within twenty years.

If you think that America is still the land with the most opportunities for its AVERAGE citizens then you need to travel alot more my friend. Im no liberal lover and respect ambition and hardwork. But the reality for the average joe in the good ole US of A is pretty sad from the women he can get to the security and support he does not get for all his hard work. If anything I support an Obama type president more than a Republican because ambitious, wealthy ,intelligent men dont need more support than the average joe (and thats whats been happening when it comes to income distrubition and government policies for so many years)....which is the class of men that has been screwed most the last 40 years.

[Tail Gunner]

(02-10-2012 12:56 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

If you think that America is still the land with the most opportunities for its AVERAGE citizens then you need to travel alot more my friend. Im no liberal lover and respect ambition and hardwork. But the reality for the average joe in the good ole US of A is pretty sad from the women he can get to the security and support he does not get for all his hard work. If anything I support an Obama type president more than a Republican because ambitious, wealthy ,intelligent men dont need more support than the average joe (and thats whats been happening when it comes to income distrubition and government policies for so many years)....which is the class of men that has been screwed most the last 40 years.

The U.S. is still the number one place on earth where immigrants wish to come. I come from a family of average joes. My father came to this country with nothing and worked his ass off for success. I worked my ass off for success. Meanwhile, my brothers drank and drugged their lives away. In the U.S., everyone reaps what they have sown.

I repeatedly tried to help my brothers to the tune of the loss of tens of thousands of dollars. I don't need the government telling me to help any other average joes. Those average joes can put down their six-pack and pick up a book. Almost every problem in life results from poor personal choices. I have no problem with providing a safety net for bad luck (e.g., orphans and widows), but everyone else needs to live with the consequences of their actions.

A little know fact: Before welfare programs, about one-third of all immigrants to the U.S. could not successfully create a new life here. So, they returned to their homelands. That is how it should be. Now, too many of them stay on and draw welfare benefits and have children born as American citizens under our insane immigration policies.