[bmarone]

As time goes on, I'm finding that it is much easier for me to emulate a certain behavior once I understand the ideas or beliefs that drive that behavior. I understand what motivates "alphas" to behave a certain way around women, but what are some of the beliefs of the alpha male regarding not just women but people/social interaction in general? I know how significantly different personality types impact anyone's behavior in social settings, and the alphas I have known thus far appeared to be socially extroverted people, preferring to be around crowds and usually "leading" the conversation. Though I don't fully understand what motivates the more extroverted alpha's behavior either, I'm more interested in the beliefs of the introverted alpha. What would be some primary differences in belief between the introverted and the extroverted alpha when it comes to interacting with other people in general? Thanks for any info.

Brandon

[Samseau]

1. The alpha male is one who doesn't care about the opinions others have of him. So, if a girl rejects him, it means nothing because the alpha male can find validation from another girl.

2. He enjoys his time and spends it on pursuits he wants.

3. He always is unapologetic for what he does, whether it involves approaching a girl to get sex from her, talking to some guys about sports at a bar, or eating a big meat sandwich in front of vegetarians.

[Saladin]

(01-25-2012 05:01 PM)bmarone Wrote:  

As time goes on, I'm finding that it is much easier for me to emulate a certain behavior once I understand the ideas or beliefs that drive that behavior. I understand what motivates "alphas" to behave a certain way around women, but what are some of the beliefs of the alpha male regarding not just women but people/social interaction in general? I know how significantly different personality types impact anyone's behavior in social settings, and the alphas I have known thus far appeared to be socially extroverted people, preferring to be around crowds and usually "leading" the conversation. Though I don't fully understand what motivates the more extroverted alpha's behavior either, I'm more interested in the beliefs of the introverted alpha. What would be some primary differences in belief between the introverted and the extroverted alpha when it comes to interacting with other people in general? Thanks for any info.

Brandon

Narcissism's always great.

http://www.bradbranson.com/extreme-self-...your-life/

Backed up by-

http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2011/08/1...-evidence/

Narcissism is a fairly easy trait to cultivate since its totally irrational. As long as you're taking action in life you can reframe it as you becoming more "awesome".

Basically, the goal is to reframe anything you do as positive no matter how minute. This is excellent for your brain and will allow for more irrational self confidence which is attractive to girls.

"“Sweet! I’m drinking a water, no soda for me. God damn I’m going to be so money once I get a rockin six pack!”"

Almost all alphas are overconfident which ties in with narcissism.

http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/01/1...t-of-game/

Of course there are a bunch of other traits but I find narcissism to be particularly interesting and that's why I have taken efforts to cultivate it in my own life.

[Samseau]

I think narcissism is too strong. Just being indifferent gets girls to tingle for you, no need to be a narcissist.

[germanico]

(01-25-2012 05:15 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

1. The alpha male is one who doesn't care about the opinions others have of him. So, if a girl rejects him, it means nothing because the alpha male can find validation from another girl.

"it means nothing because the alpha male validates himself"

There, I fixed it.

[Kickb]

Sam's first post along with

Doing what you feel like doing

Not worrying about little things

Being vocal and leading interactions

Not letting other people's emotions dictate your actions

Doing what is best for you

Feeling entitled to grabbing multiple mints and toothpicks that are sitting out at restaraunts.

Grabbing the last slice of pizza.

Comfortable and confident in any enviroment.

[tenderman100]

A beta can easily be narcissistic. See Barack Obama. Narcissists are by nature illogical. They believe in the mystical power of themselves. See Barack Obama again. Moreover, they believe others love them for who they are, and therefore only see the world through themselves, since all they think is REALLY out there is love for them. They assume they will never be rejected because they are so wonderful, and think they haven't been even when they have been rejected. In other words, they are delusional.

An true Alpha is NOT narcissistic. An Alpha is attuned to the outside world and is highly logical. An true Alpha is a hard bitten realist. An Alpha understands rejection is inevitable, but simply doesn't give a fuck. An Alpha is immensely confident that he will get what he wants, and simply doesn't care what you think.

Confidence is NOT narcissism. They are each an entirely different category.

[bmarone]

(01-25-2012 07:16 PM)tenderman100 Wrote:  

Confidence is NOT narcissism. They are each an entirely different category.

Given that some people, like myself, may conflate confidence with narcissism, how would you explain the finer differences between the two?

[Samseau]

(01-25-2012 06:17 PM)germanico Wrote:  

(01-25-2012 05:15 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

1. The alpha male is one who doesn't care about the opinions others have of him. So, if a girl rejects him, it means nothing because the alpha male can find validation from another girl.

"it means nothing because the alpha male validates himself"

There, I fixed it.

Hmmm. Even better:

The alpha male doesn't need validation from anyone, but he likes to be validated because it's fun.

[tenderman100]

(01-25-2012 09:03 PM)bmarone Wrote:  

(01-25-2012 07:16 PM)tenderman100 Wrote:  

Confidence is NOT narcissism. They are each an entirely different category.

Given that some people, like myself, may conflate confidence with narcissism, how would you explain the finer differences between the two?

A Narcissist believes everyone loves them -- his internal monologue is "I am so great, everyone should love me, and those who profess they don't -- well, they're crazy or stupid." Barack Obama is the perfect example. When he said, "They talk about me like I am a dog" -- he is expressing the mind set of a pure narcissist. It's all about him, even the negative.

Narcissists believe the world revolves around them. Moreover, they have probably been told throughout their life how great they are...even if they aren't. Again, see Barack Obama. It's why we'll never see his transcripts or his test scores.

Confident Alphas would never believe any of that stuff. Confidence is the belief that you can achieve -- emphasis on ACHIEVE -- what you want through study, practice, cold-eyed logic.

The Confident Alpha believes that person who rejects him is simply rejecting him, and he doesn't give a fuck about that rejection.

The Narcissist, in contrast, believes that the person who rejects him is delusional.

[Saladin]

(01-25-2012 10:18 PM)tenderman100 Wrote:  

(01-25-2012 09:03 PM)bmarone Wrote:  

(01-25-2012 07:16 PM)tenderman100 Wrote:  

Confidence is NOT narcissism. They are each an entirely different category.

Given that some people, like myself, may conflate confidence with narcissism, how would you explain the finer differences between the two?

A Narcissist believes everyone loves them -- his internal monologue is "I am so great, everyone should love me, and those who profess they don't -- well, they're crazy or stupid." Barack Obama is the perfect example. When he said, "They talk about me like I am a dog" -- he is expressing the mind set of a pure narcissist. It's all about him, even the negative.

Narcissists believe the world revolves around them. Moreover, they have probably been told throughout their life how great they are...even if they aren't. Again, see Barack Obama. It's why we'll never see his transcripts or his test scores.

Confident Alphas would never believe any of that stuff. Confidence is the belief that you can achieve -- emphasis on ACHIEVE -- what you want through study, practice, cold-eyed logic.

The Confident Alpha believes that person who rejects him is simply rejecting him, and he doesn't give a fuck about that rejection.

The Narcissist, in contrast, believes that the person who rejects him is delusional.

While I don't mean to suggest people should become clinical narcissists I do believe the kind of narcissism or confidence that Brad advocates is helpful. I guess its not true narcissism but its just a mental state I can snap in and out of. By no means do I believe everybody loves me.

[soup]

(01-25-2012 09:03 PM)bmarone Wrote:  

(01-25-2012 07:16 PM)tenderman100 Wrote:  

Confidence is NOT narcissism. They are each an entirely different category.

Given that some people, like myself, may conflate confidence with narcissism, how would you explain the finer differences between the two?

I have a model friend who says she would never date any of the model guys she knows because they are always looking at reflective surfaces to check themselves out.

Alphas don't do that kind of thing. That's the difference.

[Deluge]

(01-25-2012 10:37 PM)soup Wrote:  

(01-25-2012 09:03 PM)bmarone Wrote:  

(01-25-2012 07:16 PM)tenderman100 Wrote:  

Confidence is NOT narcissism. They are each an entirely different category.

Given that some people, like myself, may conflate confidence with narcissism, how would you explain the finer differences between the two?

I have a model friend who says she would never date any of the model guys she knows because they are always looking at reflective surfaces to check themselves out.

Alphas don't do that kind of thing. That's the difference.

Alphas don't need to look in the mirror to know that they're sexy.

[tenderman100]

(01-25-2012 10:37 PM)soup Wrote:  

I have a model friend who says she would never date any of the model guys she knows because they are always looking at reflective surfaces to check themselves out.

Alphas don't do that kind of thing. That's the difference.

Correct.

[TheAntiWhiteKnight138]

(01-25-2012 10:37 PM)soup Wrote:  

I have a model friend who says she would never date any of the model guys she knows because they are always looking at reflective surfaces to check themselves out.

Alphas don't do that kind of thing. That's the difference.

ehh, sometimes I find this gives off the "I care much more about myself than I do you" vibe with lizards that are already in your circle. I do it just to fuck w/ them, it drives them crazy, as they're continually on the hunt for validation

[TheMan]

(01-25-2012 06:17 PM)germanico Wrote:  

"it means nothing because the alpha male validates himself"

How do you do this?

[Constantine]

You basically validate yourself with your own confidence. If you're unsure of yourself, your potential, and lack confidence, you're going to seek out approval in other people to fill that void of confidence. In the context of picking up woman, you're going to seek approval through girls liking you to assure yourself that you're good enough and desireable.

You validate yourself when you know what you're capable of. You know you're desireable and have a lot going on. You know you're good enough, you know you can achieve whatever you put your mind to, and you know you have the ability to change the world and situations around you. You have this power. It's the difference between having the mindset of "I can achieve whatever I want in life by taking action" rather than asking someone if they think you're good enough to be able to do it. You're the one with the power and potential. You validate yourself. Instead of wishing you were as cool as another guy, you realize he's nothing special, and you're either more interesting, or will become more interesting through your goals.

In the context of girls, you just don't care if they reject you. Because you know you're exactly who and what you want to be in life, and if a girl isn't into you that's her problem, because she's probably not someone worth being with. She has bad taste. So you will find someone more worth your time and energy. In this mindset THEY need to impress YOU.

[germanico]

(01-27-2012 04:18 PM)TheMan Wrote:  

(01-25-2012 06:17 PM)germanico Wrote:  

"it means nothing because the alpha male validates himself"

How do you do this?

Im going to assume that you consider yourself a man of intelligence and resources.

If I where to say to you "You are a dumb, stupid sonofabitch", would that change anything about who you are? Or perhaps just your opinion of yourself would change?

If I told you. "You have green skin and purple hair", what color would your skin be?

You are what you are even if other people think differently. You are what you are even If you dont know what you are yourself.

So the alpha, secure, confident man is indifferent to a womans rejection because he knows that doesnt changes a thing about himself, He remains the man that he is, the man that he knows he is.

If one woman, ten, a hundred, or a thousand women reject you, that says nothing about you. Hell, if you are not being rejected you are not even trying.

And even if you dont get rejected, that says nothing about you. The guy with the highest lay count Ive met is a crying, complaining, immature, self-centered asshole.

So what sets your value is you. Its only you, nothing else.

[TheMan]

(01-28-2012 04:47 PM)germanico Wrote:  

(01-27-2012 04:18 PM)TheMan Wrote:  

(01-25-2012 06:17 PM)germanico Wrote:  

"it means nothing because the alpha male validates himself"

How do you do this?

Im going to assume that you consider yourself a man of intelligence and resources.

If I where to say to you "You are a dumb, stupid sonofabitch", would that change anything about who you are? Or perhaps just your opinion of yourself would change?

If I told you. "You have green skin and purple hair", what color would your skin be?

You are what you are even if other people think differently. You are what you are even If you dont know what you are yourself.

So the alpha, secure, confident man is indifferent to a womans rejection because he knows that doesnt changes a thing about himself, He remains the man that he is, the man that he knows he is.

If one woman, ten, a hundred, or a thousand women reject you, that says nothing about you. Hell, if you are not being rejected you are not even trying.

And even if you dont get rejected, that says nothing about you. The guy with the highest lay count Ive met is a crying, complaining, immature, self-centered asshole.

So what sets your value is you. Its only you, nothing else.

Mind.

=

Blown.

[anewtypedude]

I don't see how it is adaptive if you get rejected by EVERYONE and still think "who cares?".

The alpha mentality also doesn't seem to carry over to other parts of life. I've been fired from many jobs for having the kind of alpha mentality you talked about. Hint: You want to be what your boss wants you to be on the job, not whoever you feel like being.

[germanico]

(01-28-2012 05:09 PM)anewtypedude Wrote:  

I don't see how it is adaptive if you get rejected by EVERYONE and still think "who cares?".

Its not about a "who cares" attitude. You can care, if you want to. If that is who you are. But it still wont matter if you care or not about other peoples opinion of you. Its not going to change anything.

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The alpha mentality also doesn't seem to carry over to other parts of life. I've been fired from many jobs for having the kind of alpha mentality you talked about. Hint: You want to be what your boss wants you to be on the job, not whoever you feel like being.

In that case, I would suggest you to adopt the personality of someone that is adaptable and versatile, so that you can take whatever action you need to do according to the circumstances, instead of doing whatever Roissys blog told you that was "alphaer".

Telling off your boss is not alpha, is just stupid. (and rude)

[Anon-A-Moose]

There are many types of alpha. I personally use the 50s dad test.

Imagine a stereotypical 50s dad. Andy Griffith to the tee. Dressed in a sharp suit, smokes his pipe, reads his paper, the purest picture of calm, assertive confidence. He is selfless not for purposes of white knighting, but the purest, simplest common decency without hope for return. He lives by his own ingrained sense of right and wrong, unfailingly. He's a bit reserved, and not macho, but he has confidence in his own strengths and, if he is by some chance out of his element, acknowledges it without a negative spin ("this isn't really my cup to tea, to be honest" rather than "oh wow I never knew that!". Notice the difference in implied tone; one is reserved and almost dismissive, one is eager to please like a child) If you can imagine a 50s dad doing it, it's probably alpha.

Women are drawn to him because he's calm, confident, and rational--whereas let's face it, women are, for the most part, unbalanced, insecure, and irrational. Bitches need someone to hold the leash, guide, and occasionally give treats.