[Rocco81]

Man..Morrocans? Come on Baller..you are a Black American (I think you are atleast right?) you are about as Morrocan looking as I am. You can see Tunisian, Morrocan, Egyptian are not the same as Sub-Saharan Aficans. A Morrocan is closer to an Italian than would be to you bro, so I don't know why you chose to use that as an example against old Nederelander here.

[Rocco81]

I guess evil is a relative term Keruac. I agree the commies were evil, Stalin was evil of course, he was a maniacal murderer. I do not support what is going on there and I don't think its ok. However I am asking you to understand how it can happen. Not that its ok that it happened.

Atleast some of this was caused by the communists you mentioned. During communism the people in power forced those under them to live together, work together, forced them to learn Russian (using their mother tongues 2nd) tried to eliminate their religions and tried to eliminate their culture etc. I do not need to give anyone a history lesson I'm sure. These people naturaly segregated themselves after the fall of communism, into white, Asiatic or Middle Easter and by Muslim or Christian. That is why we had ethnic cleansing in Bosnia,Serbia etc back not so long ago. That is also why the people in Caucus (aside from having a large muslim contingent) hate Russia. They associate the Russian people with the Communist rule that was placed on them for a long time...however what they fail to realize is that most of the Russians also hated the communist rule too.Its a bit of a shit storm with a long history so I just mean to say we as Westerners have to read the full story and not just the headline "skinheads attack dark people" .

You never hear about the horrors that many of the Russians have felt at the hands of some of the more savage people of places like Chechnya have caused. Again my point is that you can see how people would look on some of these immigrant populations with less than sympathetic views toward certain outsiders.

(12-15-2010 03:28 PM)kerouac Wrote:  

(12-15-2010 02:35 PM)Rocco81 Wrote:  

The Caucus regions are peppered with terrorist cells that do way more heinous shit for far less, than a few overly Patriotic Russians do.

Again, there are many ways to handle problems and some of these Russians are taking the most direct one. I mean I suppose they could bend over like Denmark or Sweden and get fucked by floods of Turks and Africans only to regret it later when they are utterly terrorized and over run ....or well, stop the problem before it starts like they are now.

So you're saying because the Chechens are from the Caucasus and that many minority groups also being targeted are from the Caucasus (from places like Georgia, Azerbaijan, etc) that racial crimes are ok because it's just a few "patriotic" Russians who commit the crimes?

I'm not going to get into the economic problems of Russia, and the great disparity of wealth and resources, and the fact that Russia is basically a mafia state, but in the eyes of a citizen of the West, and someone who believes in a thing called Human Rights, I think it's fair to call a people who can defend such actions, or furthermore who commit such actions, as savages.

While you and your ilk may look at Sweden or Germany with disgust, because they are attempting to deal with a situation as humanely as possible, I think it's fair to say that the rest of the world looks at Russians in disgust.

Imagine a world where Russia would have come out ahead in the Cold War! People talk about Nazis being bad, but they forget about Glorious Mother Russia, who under the glorious leadership of Joseph Stalin, killed 23 Million of its own. Let us remember that evil is forgiven when it's Patriotic!

[MiXX]

Man, can we please stop talking about race and bullshit and talk about exploiting cultures so we can get juicy pussy? I could care less who is white, black, asian, and who has a 2ft penis surrounded by 10 white, black, asian, latina chicks licking it all at once....tell me how you get laid where you are visting/live!

Mixx

[subutai]

(12-16-2010 12:12 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

Man, can we please stop talking about race and bullshit and talk about exploiting cultures so we can get juicy pussy? I could care less who is white, black, asian, and who has a 2ft penis surrounded by 10 white, black, asian, latina chicks licking it all at once....tell me how you get laid where you are visting/live!

Mixx

I agree. I'm seriously getting tired of all this bullshit.

I'll just state the bottom line from my perspective:

1. Russians girls can be very hot (but certainly not all).
2. I have banged Russian girls, including 9s and 10s.
3. I have gotten into street fights with Russian guys that were entirely unprovoked by myself (aside from the odor of Russian pussy that may have been emanating from my fingers )
4. I have little to no interest in the Russian language, politics, or history. Thus, I will likely NEVER enter into a long-term relationship with a Russian woman.
5. Given #3 and #4, I wouldn't go out of my way to "vacation" in Russia, esp. when combined with the increasing # of skinheads on the loose over there.

[MiXX]

(12-16-2010 12:21 PM)subutai Wrote:  

(12-16-2010 12:12 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

Man, can we please stop talking about race and bullshit and talk about exploiting cultures so we can get juicy pussy? I could care less who is white, black, asian, and who has a 2ft penis surrounded by 10 white, black, asian, latina chicks licking it all at once....tell me how you get laid where you are visting/live!

Mixx

I agree. I'm seriously getting tired of all this bullshit.

I'll just state the bottom line from my perspective:

1. Russians girls can be very hot (but certainly not all).
2. I have banged Russian girls, including 9s and 10s.
3. I have gotten into street fights with Russian guys that were entirely unprovoked by myself (aside from the odor of Russian pussy that may have been emanating from my fingers )
4. I have little to no interest in the Russian language, politics, or history. Thus, I will likely NEVER enter into a long-term relationship with a Russian woman.
5. Given #3 and #4, I wouldn't go out of my way to "vacation" in Russia, esp. when combined with the increasing # of skinheads on the loose over there.

Finally, someone who understands what I need from this thread!!!

So, I get it, Russian guys are insecure and jealous mofos who hate foreigners banging their chics on their home turf - I get it now. Kind of like Brazilian men, but 10x more jealous.

Which is why I am sticking to Ukraine, and since 90% of Ukrainians speak Russian fluently, I'll learn it at an intermediate level to at least ask a girl to dance, a drink and back to my room/flat for a good time with a few compliments I can throw in.

So, with that said, how did you go about getting line item 2? Can you give us a couple of lay reports?

Mixx

[Global Baller]

(12-16-2010 12:00 PM)Rocco81 Wrote:  

Man..Morrocans? Come on Baller..you are a Black American (I think you are atleast right?) you are about as Morrocan looking as I am. You can see Tunisian, Morrocan, Egyptian are not the same as Sub-Saharan Aficans. A Morrocan is closer to an Italian than would be to you bro, so I don't know why you chose to use that as an example against old Nederelander here.

Yes, I'm a Black American. You obviously have never been to Morocco. There are very dark-skinned Moroccans (think actor Wesley Snipes)...as well as light-skinned Moroccans (think Pres. Obama). The prez could easily pass for Moroccan (or Brasilian, or Dominican).

[Badstuber]

(12-16-2010 12:37 PM)Global Baller Wrote:  

(12-16-2010 12:00 PM)Rocco81 Wrote:  

Man..Morrocans? Come on Baller..you are a Black American (I think you are atleast right?) you are about as Morrocan looking as I am. You can see Tunisian, Morrocan, Egyptian are not the same as Sub-Saharan Aficans. A Morrocan is closer to an Italian than would be to you bro, so I don't know why you chose to use that as an example against old Nederelander here.

Yes, I'm a Black American. You obviously, have never been to Morocco. There are very dark-skinned Moroccans (think actor Wesley Snipes)...as well as light-skinned Moroccans (think Pres. Obama). The prez could easily pass for Moroccan (or Brasilian, or Dominican).

Even whiter than Obama.
Obama is dark for the average moroccan.

[Luckystar]

(12-16-2010 08:41 AM)Whoremonger Wrote:  

WAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

This is awesome. Wow. Just wow. So lets get this straight:

Everyone calls Russians racists, using the recent race riots as proof of how racist they are. Everyone cheers, because this proves their point, even though though the reasons for it are due to immigration.

Nederlander says that its happening everywhere, produces evidence to support it, lives in Europe, etc. Everyone jeers, calls him a bitter Dutchman, racist etc, and refuses to believe it can be true. They attack him personally

The double standards in this place are ridiculous at times.

Europeans are angry because immigrants and minorities are taking the piss. They do not integrate, they tend to commit a lot of crime, they collect welfare and pay little tax. These are not my views, these are the views of the GROWING right wing in Europe. When the liberal Swedes and Dutch are moving right chaps it speaks volumes.

Yes, immigrants are the problem. They don't assimilate and they commit crimes. Funny, because we don't have these issues in Canada, a country built on immigration.

I wonder what the difference......no, it can't be European attitude.

These country want ASSIMILATION, not integration. That's real problem. European countries are so incredibly ethnocentric. It's divisive, polarizing, and inflammatory.

Immigrants are basically invited to the party, but are not welcomed into the party. Take some ownership for god sakes.

I m not exactly buying the innocent bystander argument.

[MysticTraveler]

(12-16-2010 12:31 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

Which is why I am sticking to Ukraine.
Mixx

Or just go to Antalya, Turkey. But again Russian chicks are hot but not that hot. I would rather bang Turkish if I am in Turkey.

[Lika]

(12-15-2010 09:02 PM)Whoremonger Wrote:  

They dont roll over and die like the rest of the world does, they stick foot to ass. While the UK has given its country away and Germany talks and talks and talks and talks about its immigration problems, Russians themselves are reacting. If their leaders wont do anything about it, they will. I just wonder at what point we come to realise that maybe they actually have a pure motive

Exactly, the whole of Western Europe has been fucked up by too much immigration too fast, and this was planned... I believe immigration is good but not at this level and at this rate. There Will be civil war in many countries like France and belgium. Very little chance of peace in other countries like Switzerland or Netherland.

Southern countries like Italy, Spain, Portugal are relatively
More preserved cause they are much more racist.

In these social conditions implemented by politician whores, countries like Russia have a strong survival interest to become more and more racist.

Americans can't understand the situation because ethnic minorities are much more integrated in the American lifestyle than in Europe...

Much more

[Badstuber]

(12-16-2010 12:42 PM)Luckystar Wrote:  

(12-16-2010 08:41 AM)Whoremonger Wrote:  

WAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

This is awesome. Wow. Just wow. So lets get this straight:

Everyone calls Russians racists, using the recent race riots as proof of how racist they are. Everyone cheers, because this proves their point, even though though the reasons for it are due to immigration.

Nederlander says that its happening everywhere, produces evidence to support it, lives in Europe, etc. Everyone jeers, calls him a bitter Dutchman, racist etc, and refuses to believe it can be true. They attack him personally

The double standards in this place are ridiculous at times.

Europeans are angry because immigrants and minorities are taking the piss. They do not integrate, they tend to commit a lot of crime, they collect welfare and pay little tax. These are not my views, these are the views of the GROWING right wing in Europe. When the liberal Swedes and Dutch are moving right chaps it speaks volumes.

Yes, immigrants are the problem. They don't assimilate and they commit crimes. Funny, because we don't have these issues in Canada, a country built on immigration.

I wonder what the difference......no, it can't be European attitude.

These country want ASSIMILATION, not integration. That's real problem. European countries are so incredibly ethnocentric. It's divisive, polarizing, and inflammatory.

Immigrants are basically invited to the party, but are not welcomed into the party. Take some ownership for god sakes.

I m not exactly buying the innocent bystander argument.

This man knows what he's talking about.

[Lika]

(12-16-2010 12:42 PM)Luckystar Wrote:  

Funny, because we don't have these issues in Canada, a country built on immigration.
I wonder what the difference......no, it can't be European attitude.
These country want ASSIMILATION, not integration. That's real problem. European countries are so incredibly ethnocentric. It's divisive, polarizing, and inflammatory.

Lol...

You have these issues in Canada and you'll have them more and more (ever heard of accomodements raisonnables?)

European countries have always had immigration and that was never a big problem. People eventually adapted to the lifestyle.

Now it's not immigration anymore... it's a fucking massive invasion and these people don't give a shit about European lifestyle, they even hate Europeans, just like you...

Go tell your bullshit in Japan or Russia... Where there is no massive immigration. But not in Western Europe where whole towns and areas have been invaded already and where the social situation is getting worse every day (poverty, lack of jobs, lack of apartments, crimes by Non Europeans):

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xc1897_...isant_news

In fact if there is a sensitive racial video showing groups of Non Europeans attacking Europeans you can't even post it on a Western European website (it's censored by governments and you risk jail). You have to put it in Russian youtube...:

http://rutube.ru/tracks/3748881.html?v=5...3af78fa655

http://www.nokenny.com/francais-agresse-...isien.html

Meanwhile governments let everybody in... and assholes like you blame the European population for not getting fucked up even more.....

[Rocco81]

@GLobal Baller - First thank you for not trying to come out blazing and flaming me calling me all kinds of names. I appreciate your tone and will in turn answer you the same.

You are correct I have not gone to Morroco. I only mean that they are not the Sub-Saharan African stock.

Funny story, when I was in Finland I saw some Ethiopians and other Northern Africans. They are dark (some of them) but still very scrawny and unathletic, certainly not as built as American blacks or maybe lets say Ghana or Nigeria. They all try to act like American blacks though, very entertaining to me.

Baller I have said this before and I don't mean it in a bad way. But look at Sammy Davis Jr. He was veeery black as far as skin color, but he was actually Jewish, an Isrealite from one of the Northern African blood lines (tribes of Judah and all that) So..to me "black" as far as the African Americans I grew up around is more than just skin color. Common is a light skinned dude, but I would consider him black and Sammy Davis Jr. just a very dark part African Jew. Same with Vijay Singh the golfer...he is darker than most of my black friends, but he certainly isn't "Black"

Cheers

[Lika]

(12-16-2010 12:37 PM)Global Baller Wrote:  

There are very dark-skinned Moroccans (think actor Wesley Snipes)...as well as light-skinned Moroccans (think Pres. Obama). The prez could easily pass for Moroccan (or Brasilian, or Dominican).

Your range from Wesley Snipes to Obama is wrong.

There are much more Moroccans who are whiter (berbère) than Obama:

http://www.google.ch/images?um=1&hl=fr&c...=&gs_rfai=

[Luckystar]

(12-16-2010 02:00 PM)Lika Wrote:  

Lol...

You have these issues in Canada and you'll have them more and more (ever heard of accomodements raisonnables?)

Actually, my family has an immigration law practice in Canada. I can tell you as a professional who is current on these matters that Canada is the gold standard of how immigration should and can be orchestrated. Period. It s not even up for debate in professional circles on an international basis. People are asked to integrate here (not assimilate) and they do it.

Secondly, accomodements raisonnables is subsection motivated by Quebec. Which, guess what, is the most european region in NA. Not a coincedence that the most anti immigration notions come from this province. Albeit still very minor compared to other global areas.

European countries have always had immigration and that was never a big problem. People eventually adapted to the lifestyle.

Now it's not immigration anymore... it's a fucking massive invasion and these people don't give a shit about European lifestyle, they even hate Europeans, just like you...

You make my point for me. You are asking for them to assimilate to European lifestyle, as oppose to adapting (even changing) European lifestyle to integrate migrants. A trade of goodwill of sorts.

If you asked me to exchange ideas and values, I would extend goodwill back to you. If you ignored me and asked me to conform, I would tell you to go fuck yourself.

I admire Europeans for many things, but not on immigration matters. Btw, the 'massive invasion' is regulated by your own governments. Shouldn't you be upset with your policies instead of migrants?



Go tell your bullshit in Japan or Russia... Where there is no massive immigration. But not in Western Europe where whole towns and areas have been invaded already and where the social situation is getting worse every day (poverty, lack of jobs, lack of apartments, crimes by Non Europeans).

Meanwhile governments let everybody in... and assholes like you blame the European population for not getting fucked up even more.....

Plenty of blame for everybody. The immigrants, the policymakers, the media, and the mass population. In terms of European population, there is a reluctance to acknowledge any of its own contributions to the problems.

Sorry to be an asshole, but it is the truth mon ami.

[Lika]

(12-16-2010 05:09 PM)Luckystar Wrote:  

[b]You make my point for me. You are asking for them to assimilate to European lifestyle, as oppose to adapting (even changing) European lifestyle to integrate migrants. A trade of goodwill of sorts.

I don't understand why I should adapt my country, be tolerant to people who want to fuck my women but don't want their women to marry a European guy. What the fuck is that racist piece of shit who wants to live in my country, get my money of social welfare to make as many assisted kids as he wants, not learn my language, hate me, fuck my women and get my tax money for it ??

A trade of goodwill?? what the fuck do I get in return ? don't tell me cheap labour because we have extremely high unemployment rates here and that's because these (illegal) immigrants keep the wages down.

Are you insane ?

Look at this guy at 4:43:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRmgI_WXff0


"There are also people sick and tired of the one-way street tolerance babble"

(12-16-2010 05:09 PM)Luckystar Wrote:  

"Btw, the 'massive invasion' is regulated by your own governments. Shouldn't you be upset with your policies instead of migrants?

Their heads on a stick.

At an individual level I have nothing against any decent cool immigrant. I'm talking about a massive immigration that will lead to civil war here...

[MiXX]

(12-16-2010 02:00 PM)Lika Wrote:  

Meanwhile governments let everybody in... and assholes like you blame the European population for not getting fucked up even more.....

I just saw this video, and it is fucked up that this happens. It's disgusting to even watch it. From first hand experience, I can tell you I grew up getting beatings much worse than this guy did and not even by foreigners...I got it with baseball bats and chains because I knew how to fight, so going weapon-less on me was not smart by my enemies. At least he got sucker punched with bare fists by a guy who does not even seem to have any power behind his punches.

however, I see these punks pick on defenseless "herbs" as we use to call them in NYC who cannot even fight back. These victims don't know how to detect danger in their own perimeter. It has been like this for years, and not just in Europe.....as long as there are poor, and ignorant; there will be violence to assert dominance over goods, women or territory.

The weak will always be preyed upon, sadly, until they tire and go on a shooting spree like my cousin (still in prison for triple homicide). That guy should of never had his back turned to those fuckers. I knew who the victim and the attackers were the second I hit the play button.


Mixx

[rudebwoy]

I live in Canada and can tell you immigrants have made this country a much better place, yes there is a lot of rhetoric about immigration but the majority of them are here to work. I even go to school at night at the local university, the class is full of immigrants trying to better themselves. That is not to say there are some groups I do not like and I feel tend to want to take out of the "pot" than give back. On the flip side we have some great ethnic restaurants, something lacking in alot of European countries.

Having returned from the UK, I can tell you the welfare system is out of control there and it is not the immigrants that are abusing the system. It is the native englishman/woman who feels it is there right, since they cannot find a job making 30,000+ per year. Despite the fact they left high school early and have no skill to offer. There are even 3 generations within the same family who have NEVER worked.

Everyone is focused/talking about Immigration these days, it is the new buzz word. Politicians love to talk this crap topic, but people are like sheep. Not realizing that the politicians are stirring it up, yes it affects all off us. When was the last time you got a raise/increase in your job? Even if they stopped immigration, would that stop the bastard corporations outsourcing YOUR jobs to India/China/Mexico or what ever cheap labour country there is.

Who the fuck really cares what shade Morrocans are? I certainly don't.

Why doesn't someone post a nice thread about there experience in Russia? From a girl point of view, trust me I am black and could not give a hoot about how racist they are. I am more concerned what colour Audi TT i should order lol.

[MysticTraveler]

(12-16-2010 08:08 AM)Nederlander Wrote:  

We invented the aircraft, the internal combustion engine, the semi conductor, the television, we broke the sound barrier and tamed the mightiest rivers with huge dams, we were the first on the moon and the man to go the deepest in the ocean, we invented the telephone and split the atom, we cured polio and charted the elements on the periodic table. Of course we did bad things and they were on an epic scale because everything that we did was huge and earth shaking from splitting the atom to creating an empire.

Err...empire go though cycles. There was a time when the Mongolians used to rule the world and consequently had the resources and hence came up with a lot of inventions. The same goes for the Mughal Empire. You will laugh at the inventions that they made but they were big at that time, just like inventing the wheel was a big thing.

We just happen to be in a cycle when the White races of the world had the resources to educate the people and come up with the inventions. This cycle will also end and has already started as all the BRICIT nations are emerging.

As for the the whites being associated with all the racism. There is a good reason for it. Well actually there are several - apartheid, holocaust, Christian missionaries, colonization, etc. You feel disgusted by an Arab because he slaughtered your grandma in the name of Allah, well guess what? Native Indians were slaughtered because they were dirty and did not have a proper God. Now you may argue that the Christian Missionaries helped to raise the standard of living of all these natives. Yeah you may be right if you think in materialistic terms. But the natives were far more spiritually developed than the Whites.

So, that is why white people are associated with racism. I am not saying its right. Just stating the reason.

As for Muslims and Islam. Religion is a disease and Islam is the most dreaded of the them all. Islamists and Christians have always had a history of conflict. So, what were the politicians thinking when they allowed immigration from Turkey? Some of these Muslims are fanatics, I know that because I live in India and the Austrian Politician was right when he said that everyone in Turkey would have been up in arms if a Imam was murdered.

There is a big problem. But if you breed hatred then the result will be a bloody conflict and that is what governments want. Not just European or American govts. all of them. Why? Because Bombs, bullets and guns are the fastest moving commodities in times of war and there is lot of money to be made. As an exercise just follow the money and power and you will have a more refreshing perspective on how things work.

You remarks about 5 foot Moroccans or Turks or whatever and your above remark show that you have a sense of arrogance and think that the white people are superior. These is no superior race. Civilizations go through cycles.

My 2 cents, take it or leave it.

[Rocco81]

Mystic traveler you have some facts but they are the same thing we were taught in school. One sided and very liberal touchy feely in nature.

Native Americans: Of course the white man came (here and South America) and slaughtered Indians. Attrocities occured for sure, there is no doubt about that. However to assume that Indians were some poor helpless peaceful people is also wrong. The Indians had been raping and savaging each other long before the white man came to the Americas. That does not excuse what Europeans did when they got here, I am only saying let's not sugar coat things.

Europeans: I have said several times that it is about cultural relativism. Would you disagree? Only now a days do scholars want to put a racial face on wars. What about thousands of years of Europeans slaughtering other Europeans? Both Christian, both sides white. Since there is not a convenient victim or a poor underclass 3rd worlder to rally behind we just call it a war. What about the English aiding in the starvation of millions of Irish? What about millions of Poles and French slaughtered at the hands of Germans? Hell that is just recent history..we can go on back further to see how Europeans have been slaughtering and victimizing each other since the beging of time (same as Africans, American Indians etc)

Expansion of the western world: When "we" ( I say we because being white you seem to suggest I somehow should feel guilt or responsibility for my ancestors actions) came over in boats or colonized parts of Middle East or Africa or South America, there was no plan to come and exploit a culture. They had no idea what they would find. Once they arrived, they found multiple resources that they could use to build empire and they took it. They also found people that looked different from them and they soon took from them too. If the Europeans had guns and advanced weaponry then oh well...they fought they won. This is expansion of technology and power you will have with any culture, just as the English were no doubt more advanced than the Irish, just as the Vikings came and killed monks and raped the women of Scottland (which by the way built up the scottish gene pool and served them later) Tribes around the world have done the same since the beggining of time.

It is quite different to invite a 3rd world refugee into a clean, well oiled, safe society like Holland or Denmark out of good will. Perhaps this is a way to pay them back. To make fair what happened before. That is what the Europeans wanted to show, but its back firing. You invite someone to your neighborhood that still considers you a "crusader" 1000 years after the fact and wants to behead you, and you want to call that fair? Because of something one of your ancestors might have done so long ago when it was acceptable? When people died at 30 from a cold and had kids at 13 owned slaves, killed each other over religious dogma or paranoia? See, the thing is we have moved past that its a new age. Other cultures have not.

[Rocco81]

Rude - Dont order a TT bro.

[Luckystar]

THIS THREAD IS BEYOND OUT OF CONTROL.

FOR REAL.

[Pepini]

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."

[Roosh]

This thread has become a joke. Feel free to start a Russia II thread, but keep race and geopolitics out of it.

If you want to talk politics, take it to the Everything Else forum.