[rastignac]

I would avoid American women of any age.

[rastignac]

I am 48 and this thread is depressing. The problem is that the handfull of American women who still have a feminine figure... and face it, it is so rare that is all it takes for a woman to be considered hot in the twentieth century.... are crazy, demanding messes.

They also tend to want to date younger. The attractive women I know who are my age get creeped out when a guy in their forties pays attention to them, unless they are super alpha, super successful men.

If your success with women, is all about cocky assertive, relentlessness... why waste them on a washed up demanding American woman who does not understand her international market value.... go younger.

The only exception I can imagine is a woman who for whatever reason had children very young and is now a blanced, hot grandmother. Common in Eastern Europe, but not here in the US.

[rastignac]

(01-13-2012 08:46 PM)tenderman100 Wrote:  

(01-13-2012 08:33 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Why? That's like asking why would I want a car with lower mileage on it.

I know women can still be attractive past 40, but I can't be nearly as attracted to them as I am a woman of 25. I'd mess with just about all the women in the photos you posted. But if I had to settle down and think about having kids she has to be 25-30, maybe early 30s at the oldest, because after that you're looking at higher risk of birth defects.

I've got a nice wine collection, a reasonable house, and am sophisticated and experienced -- but the reality is they look at my grayish hair and obvious age, and they want the boys. And that's only natural.

Not sure if it is natural at all. Many (most) cultures value older, successful men. A lot.

Agree 25-30 is the prime age physically for women....

[MrXY]

(01-06-2013 06:12 PM)tenderman100 Wrote:  

(01-06-2013 01:26 PM)Divorco Wrote:  

Tenderman, I have found some hot older women have attitude problems. Many are divorced and inexperienced in recent adult dating. They were ultra-hot in their youth, and developed a distorted sense of entitlement, of how magically easy life is for hot, young women. Now they don't fully appreciate that men who wined and dined them ten years ago are now ten years older themselves. Given their looks, they want a similarly handsome man close in age. At the same time, they want an accomplished professional. They unrealistically expect a guy who looks like the guy they dated ten years ago, but want him ten years richer, perhaps a Cary Grant or George Clooney clone.

At the same time these women are a little defensive and sophisticated enough to avoid being prematurely seduced. They have mediocre careers and spend their resources on kids. Maybe you would call them dinner whores. What do you do to screen them out or handle them?

You game them like any other woman. Simple as that.

Exactly. Divorco it sounds like you're paying too much attention to what these women are saying and the front they put up. Ignore all that. Deep down, most of them know their SMV is much lower than it once was, and is declining quickly and permanently.

Use a strong pimp hand and don't take any shit from them. Develop the attitude that you are willing to walk away at any moment if they displease you, and you will find that they become much more accommodating.

As for your statement that they know how to avoid being seduced too quickly, if your game is tight they will fold right up like a cheap lawn chair

[Samseau]

(01-06-2013 08:40 PM)rastignac Wrote:  

(01-13-2012 08:46 PM)tenderman100 Wrote:  

(01-13-2012 08:33 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Why? That's like asking why would I want a car with lower mileage on it.

I know women can still be attractive past 40, but I can't be nearly as attracted to them as I am a woman of 25. I'd mess with just about all the women in the photos you posted. But if I had to settle down and think about having kids she has to be 25-30, maybe early 30s at the oldest, because after that you're looking at higher risk of birth defects.

I've got a nice wine collection, a reasonable house, and am sophisticated and experienced -- but the reality is they look at my grayish hair and obvious age, and they want the boys. And that's only natural.

Not sure if it is natural at all. Many (most) cultures value older, successful men. A lot.

Agree 25-30 is the prime age physically for women....

But America is a youth culture. Both men and women value youth here. Age is seen as a negative here; children are spoiled.

[Screwston]

I don't know. A lot of older women and MILFs I've tried talking to in person (not online!!!) were pretty nice and blew me off soft. I've never ran into one that acts like a 21 year old and looks at me like I'm that guy from the Mask movie with Cher. Like every other girl, it's completely different online than in person. A lot of them could care less how much money you have as long as you're a good looking young guy that can fuck the shit out of them and make them smile/laugh.

Maybe it's just me but it seems like a lot of older women have very wet pussies. It's like they get off real bad on sucking dick or something.

[tenderman100]

(01-06-2013 07:13 PM)rastignac Wrote:  

I am 48 and this thread is depressing. The problem is that the handfull of American women who still have a feminine figure... and face it, it is so rare that is all it takes for a woman to be considered hot in the twentieth century.... are crazy, demanding messes.

They also tend to want to date younger. The attractive women I know who are my age get creeped out when a guy in their forties pays attention to them, unless they are super alpha, super successful men.

If your success with women, is all about cocky assertive, relentlessness... why waste them on a washed up demanding American woman who does not understand her international market value.... go younger.

The only exception I can imagine is a woman who for whatever reason had children very young and is now a blanced, hot grandmother. Common in Eastern Europe, but not here in the US.

I'll push back on this.

First, a lot of these women that I have posted have made a point that they don't want to be cougars, and want to date guys in their own age range. It's the guys like me, at 60, who have a disadvantage. You think there are few women at 45 who are hot -- wait till you get to the 60 year olds.

Second, you say they are "demanding messes" -- and if you read their profiles with their obvious sense of entitlement and their delusional desire for Mr. Right you might come to that conclusion -- but these sentiments are simply the hamster doing light-speed gymnastics. Now the young ones may be bit easier to game -- at 21-26 they are riding the cock carousel with the idea that at some point in the late 20s early 30s they will turn off the slut switch and become monogamous. In contrast, the older ones say -- and I emphasize SAY -- they want Prince Charming now.

But it's the same hamster. The same inability to control their impulses, the same rationalizations, the same evo psych impulses, are still operative. Kino, the nuero-linguistic strategies, the same alpha techniques will work.

If anything, the older women are MORE easily gamed. They hear the clock ticking. They have already fucked more than one guy and they know deep down that fucking is incredibly pleasurable. They may indeed move faster.

Again, while there are differences due to ages, these differences blur because we have a female brain and hindbrain working. And you can work that.

[tenderman100]

OK, here is a very typical 40-something woman -- she's 48. I think I may have posted her earlier in the thread -- not the best of the lot, but she is arguably not bad. And a nurse! Here is part of her profile which is quite revealing. She confesses, unknowingly, to have been gamed, if not by guys who used the techniques consciously, but by guys who clearly applied the concepts. See boldfaced items. *Asterisk item -- slut defense.

The hamster has marathon endurance. And her preferred range is between 43-55.

Quote:

Several of you gentleman have questioned my character* as to why i am still on (and have been off) this site for so long. The cliff note version is this.... Dated a man and on our 6mon anniversary discovered he was still married, the gentleman who pulled his d**k out 45mins after meeting in public, perhaps the man who failed to tell me he didn't have a leg, the one who pulled his dentures out and put them on the table, the man who after 3mons had ED, another who can't walk can't bend his knees, married....AGAIN, called me a cun* because i didn't appreciate his naked pic as a 1st text message, the i love you but also 3 other women, yet another who called me a fat a** just because i didn't respond to his email, lets talk for a month develop feelings then tell me your bipolar and the pics aren't even of me..... and so on, you get the point! All true stories. So why am i a fool and still trying? Because i am a hopeless romantic and not ready to give up just yet! I'm looking for a long term relationship only.... I don't need any more friends and i don't have time for pen pals!

[tenderman100]

44

[tenderman100]

not a 40 something, but listed as one? guess how old?
Also likes"younger."
No kids.

[tenderman100]

42

[tenderman100]

40

[tenderman100]

42

[tenderman100]

49
No kids

[tenderman100]

49
7 year old son!!
Love the leopard skin decor.

[Teedub]

They actually look OK, however some of them have a specific American-older-woman look that I don't like. Just a personal preference. A very Southern-belle kind of look. I'm British so it's very alien to me and I don't find it attractive. That said, for their age, they look great.

[tenderman100]

44
Love the thigh tat

[Teedub]

42 I'd bang. Plus 44

[tenderman100]

delete

[Teedub]

delete

[tenderman100]

44
Works as a trainer and "weight loss consultant." A bit gristly in the bathing suit pic (on the right, I think) but she has to be a firecracker in the sack.

[UgSlayer]

delete

[Screwston]

Something about seeing old hags trying to be hip, trendy and dress like they're 21 is annoying.

[tenderman100]

(01-16-2013 11:45 PM)houston Wrote:  

Something about seeing old hags trying to be hip, trendy and dress like they're 21 is annoying.

I dunno...what should we see them in? House dresses? Sweats?

I like it actually -- it shows that, in the end, even if they're 20 years past 25, they want to be sexy and they want to look hot.

They know the HAVE to do that if they want to attract a "quality" man.

And you know they have put out before, and will do it again.

They are just like any other woman of any age. They can be gamed. They can be used. They can be fucked really hard.

[tenderman100]

45
High School only
no kids
Well on the way to cathood -- see the picture of her "babies" below..
But fuckable now.