[Timoteo]

I see a theme emerging that somehow absolves DirkDiggler from responsibility because he isn't the initiator. I disagree with that on principle. If he goes in with all the facts, he becomes equally responsible for any and all fall-out. I think his trepidation is wise here. Remember, women generally don't give a fuck about how their actions will effect others. They care mostly about their own wants and needs. We as men have to be different - we have to weigh those things and decide accordingly. Even with chicks that come with less drama than the one in this situation, we generally have to ask ourselves, "Is this chick worth the hassle?"

There was also the suggestion that they do what they're going to do in secret, and if it comes up, deny it? Really? First, sneaking around is weak. And it's even worse when it comes out (because it WILL come out - chicks can't keep their mouths shut), because people hate the idea that a secret was being kept from them. Especially something like this. If you're going to do something like this, it has to be ALL IN, and above board. The circle may be uncomfortable, but people will generally adjust. If you try to sneak around, it almost makes it something dirty, when it really isn't. Always remember that for the most part, when there's a breakup, someone gets cast from the circle. Someone gets custody of the friends - people take sides. Sex almost always changes the dynamic of any relationship, especially if you're banging some dude's sister. The circle may get mad at her, but they won't cast her out. Men have to think about this with their brains, and not their dicks.

[DirkDiggler]

(01-03-2012 06:29 AM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

[quote] (01-03-2012 05:06 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Dude, she's coming on to him. He's completely defensible. He's not trying to "fuck and chuck" anyone. It's not desperate to take what's offered.

How is fucking this sister risky? It's not his friend's girlfriend or wife. Is his friend going to say, "Wow man, you fucked my sister. Now we can't be friends."

I agree that hitting on coworkers or people close to the family is beta, but that isn't the case here. He is being hit on, and hit on hard (she kissed him! WTF! And then texted about it to him!). This makes all the difference.


Given that it's free, easy sex with a girl who will be easy to deal with afterwards (Just say, "It was only a one time thing for me."), and she's a woman he consider's attractive, he'd be a fool to pass this layup. I doubt she'd tell anyone else in the family out of potential embarrassment. And DirkDiggler can always deny any accusations.

"He slept with me."
"She wishes I did."

She's also 26. DirkDiggler, how often do you actually see this chick? Her career or future marriage will keep her busy enough that you won't see her often. As the years roll by, you'll remember what it was like to have banged her in her prime.

What is he? A rape victim who cant say no? Christ, just because its an easy notch does not mean its a notch worth having. So what if she is coming onto him? Is he incapable of making rational decisions the minute his dick starts to get hard? Is he absolved of all responsibility now?

Fucking a good friends sister is NOT cool. You need to be socially inept to think that this is ok. Seriously. If you dont think its disrespectful to your friend then you are a tool. And if you are a genuine player and not some poser, it makes it even worse because he knows what sort of dude you are and how you would be using his sister like a fuck toy

This is something I should not have to explain to someone who talks as big a game as you do? Its even worse when they know how much ass your have been carving up over the years?

Bottom line, if you are getting enough tail, turning away a piece of ass is really no big deal. If its too good and easy an opportunity for you to pass up, then chances are you really dont get half as much action as you would have everyone believe.

Men need to have their principles bud. The minute you start flushing your principles down the toilet, especially for women, you are not worth shit even to yourself. Im not trying to be nasty here, but this mindset where you can fuck anything and everything with impunity is a sign of real character weakness.

(01-03-2012 09:25 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

I agree with Harry on this one. It seems like you really don't know how your friend will react so why take any chance. There are plenty of women out there so why fuck one that can ruin a lifelong friendship. Friendships like that are worth more than any pussy.

It is pretty easy to say go ahead and fuck her when most guys saying that have nothing to lose.

I think it's irrelevant if she's coming onto me or not. At this point I have final say on whether or not I sleep with her or not. I have complete control at this point.
Doesnt that make it worse if I was going to go through with it? This isn't a friend I see every few weeks. This is a guy who I confide in and vice versa. Knowing I have the option to get my dick wet and ruin our friendship or just turn my attention elsewhere and keep it, I'll choose friendship everytime. There are 1000's of girls, but how many true friends can you say have? Not 1000's that's for sure. Very surprised that your only justification is that shes coming on to you. So I'm 100% in agreeance with Harry, not worth it to me.

[haywire]

(01-03-2012 01:58 PM)DirkDiggler Wrote:  

So I'm 100% in agreeance with Harry, not worth it to me.

Now that you've made up your mind, I'd suggest you should try to find out what exactly the deal with her is - why she did what she did, and what exactly is she looking for? It might serve as a lesson in game.

[worldwidetraveler]

(01-03-2012 01:53 PM)Nonpareil Wrote:  

You know, I see this a lot here and I really don't comprehend this line of thinking. An attractive girl comes on to you, and if you fuck her you have no options, but if you don't, you have game?

No, it's about fucking his best friend's sister which could lead to ending a childhood friendship. It isn't just an attractive girl that is in play here.

What Harry was talking about was an abundance mindset. Basically walking away from one girl,for whatever reason, isn't a big deal. If you have game, there will be plenty more.

It is the same type of thinking when it comes to money. Some guys worry too much about spending cash while others don't really care because there will always be more.

[soup]

Your friend knows you are a player, I'm sure he's "warned" his sister or talked to her about your wicked game. Hell, that might be why she's attracted to you. As long as you are honest and upfront about everything, you're fine. I'm sure she knows what she is getting into. If she gets pissed, your friend will just tell her "I told you he's just looking for fun," or something like that.

If you're all consenting adults, it's actually none of his business, and he should be the first one to say "You guys are consenting adults, it's none of my business."

[MikeCF]

If he's a good friend, there's no way I'd bang his sister.

I wouldn't be friends with any guy who would bang my sister.

If you're really a pussy slaying machine, you'd be getting so much pussy that you'd never risk a friendship (or job) to get some pussy.

Isn't pussy abundant? It sure is for me, which is why I never go after pussy that could impact friendships or work.

On some websites, guys who talk tough but would never fight in real life are called keyboard warriors.

I'm wondering how many of you are keyboard players.

[Viralata]

(01-03-2012 05:56 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

I'm wondering how many of you are keyboard players.

Word. A true player would bang the whole family including the pets.

[DirkDiggler]

(01-03-2012 02:45 PM)haywire Wrote:  

(01-03-2012 01:58 PM)DirkDiggler Wrote:  

So I'm 100% in agreeance with Harry, not worth it to me.

Now that you've made up your mind, I'd suggest you should try to find out what exactly the deal with her is - why she did what she did, and what exactly is she looking for? It might serve as a lesson in game.

Yea I've been talking to her the last 2 days. I asked her why she kissed me and bothered to text me the next day. Here is what was said:

ME: "haha it was good, but whered that come from"

HER: "I dunno, something came over me. I know i shouldnt have, it wasn't a big deal anyway....... But i do like ur lips "

ME: "well that's the last time u get to feel them what's J going to think? Why would u text me if it wasn't a big deal?"

HER: "i guess i didn't want it to be awkward when ur over. We can't tell J......"

ME: "I think im going to have to. But it shouldn't matter too much as long as it doesn't happen again and we stop talking to each other."

HER: " I can talk to whomever i wish"

In which i didnt respond to, sticking to my word. You guys can take what u want from it. Personally, I just wanna leave it as is. Before my dick overpowers my brain. Nothing good ever comes of that haha.

Still curious on how some of you justify sleeping with a childhood friends sister. Still doesn't make sense to me.

[alphaspiraton]

I know Roosh said don't be quick to judge but troll?

Also, this should be moved to the newbie forum.

[Hooligan Harry]

Nonpareil Wrote:

You know, I see this a lot here and I really don't comprehend this line of thinking. An attractive girl comes on to you, and if you fuck her you have no options, but if you don't, you have game? If my experiences with co-workers, that guy's sister, my sister's friends and the exes of acquaintances has taught me something about myself, its that I will never turn down an attractive sure thing.

Its not just any girl that came onto you though is it? There is a massive difference bro. Its a lay that could blow up in your face because of the relationships she has and the drama it can create. If you are that hard up for a piece of ass that you would actually risk other, more important shit for something as common and easy to come by as good looking pussy, then yes, I am sorry to say but you are probably not getting half as much play as you say you are. Chances are you take what you can get because you typically get fuck all.

Congruency chaps. I have been around the block enough to know that the only player who would bang a good friends sister is a total tool/sociopath OR he is not a player at all and just happy something easy came his way for a change. EVen if it was for completely selfish reasons, you would not want the drama. There is no middle ground on this. And if you were crushing ass, you friends would be even more upset about you banging their sister. Its 10 times worse for them because they know what you are like. The only way you could maybe keep the peace is if he knows you are one step removed from being celibate.

Family
Friends
Health
Work
Travel
Wiping your ass
Women

In that fucking order.

[Samseau]

I'm still waiting for a single argument in favor of how this could blow up in his face. The people here are being irrational. It's mostly moralizing, and yet no moral arguments have been provided.

Most guys are saying, "She's your best friend's sister! How could you bang her?"

So how, exactly, is banging your friend's 26 year old sister immoral?

1. She's married.
2. She's underage.
3. Your friend might get mad.


She's single and grown, so 1 and 2 are out of the window. For number three, we can only assume your friend is being irrational as well, since there's nothing to be upset over your siblings having sex with others.

If it were my sister, I'd feel ashamed for having a slut sister but not angry at my friend for banging her.

So if the friend's feelings are the issue here, then we automatically know it's nothing to do with morality. Concern for your friend's feelings is not a moral dilemma, it's a practical one. There is no moral code which states you must make your friends feel good all the time.

Dirk just needs to cover his tracks.

Quote:

ME: "haha it was good, but whered that come from"

HER: "I dunno, something came over me. I know i shouldnt have, it wasn't a big deal anyway....... But i do like ur lips "

ME: "well that's the last time u get to feel them what's J going to think? Why would u text me if it wasn't a big deal?"

HER: "i guess i didn't want it to be awkward when ur over. We can't tell J......"

ME: "I think im going to have to. But it shouldn't matter too much as long as it doesn't happen again and we stop talking to each other."

HER: " I can talk to whomever i wish"

It'd be soooo easy to fuck this girl and get away with it. All you'd have to do is text her, "We can meet up and talk, but you must promise to keep your hands to yourself."

Then you meet up with her, she'll either

a.) make a move, and you'll get to fuck her.
b.) not make a move, which isn't a big deal either. You get to be friends with her again and nothing happens.

But let's say she makes a move and you bang her. After sex, you make it clear with her to keep it a secret and that you'll never do anything like this again. She'll agree not to tell but she'll probably ask to do it again. Tell her "I'm serious. I value my friendship too much. If you ever try tell your brother about this, I'll make sure never to talk to you again and make you look like a liar."


See, this isn't the criminal justice system or the workplace. If she accuses Dirk of banging her, Dirk is not going to jail or losing his job, and if you're as good as friends with him as you claim to be, then he'll believe you when you deny.

Because if she starts drama and bullshit, you say "I never fucked her, she's just angry because I turned her down when she made a move on me." Then you show the text messages which state for her to keep her hands off you.

Then you tell your friend, "Dude, when we hang your sister can't be around. She's fucking nuts." And your friend will agree.

All of this is possible because she was the aggressor, which makes it easy to frame everything against her.

Therefore, Dirk's friend will never know, the sister will be powerless, and you'll get to bang a cute girl. A cute girl, who, by the way, is actually a 26 year old woman perfectly fucking capable of making decisions for herself.

And this leads to my final point of this discussion:

Why are you guys placing all responsibility on Dirk and ignoring the woman, who is older? She's the big sis - so fucking what? She's obviously a huuuge slut, with a notch count over at least 30, as she's confident enough to make moves on men, including her little brother's best friend, and she obviously doesn't give a FUCK about her little brother's feelings either.

So, to all the guys saying "OMG don't bang her because your friend will get mad" - you guys are seriously white knighting this issue. This girl is a big S-K-A-N-K, and deserves to be treated like one. As long as the brother never finds out or believes Dirk's side of the story, which is inevitable provided Dirk covers his tracks, there are no consequences to fear. You make her life a living hell, and fuck her brains out in the process.

You win.

[worldwidetraveler]

(01-04-2012 01:34 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

So, to all the guys saying "OMG don't bang her because your friend will get mad" - you guys are seriously white knighting this issue. This girl is a S-K-A-N-K, and deserves to be treated like one. As long as the brother never finds out or believes Dirk's side of the story, which is inevitable provided Dirk covers his tracks, there are no consequences to fear. You make her life a living hell, and fuck her brains out in the process.

You win.

Basically, you want the kid to lie to his best friend and continue lying. You want him to deal with drama every time she is around.

You want to keep text messages to prove that she was an aggressor and asked for it.

Personally, I would just fuck some other chick and not deal with all the bullshit. Your post seems like a lot of work just to fuck one chick.

Nothing to do with white knighting but about not dealing with all the nonsense you talked about in your post.

[Samseau]

(01-04-2012 01:42 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

(01-04-2012 01:34 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

So, to all the guys saying "OMG don't bang her because your friend will get mad" - you guys are seriously white knighting this issue. This girl is a S-K-A-N-K, and deserves to be treated like one. As long as the brother never finds out or believes Dirk's side of the story, which is inevitable provided Dirk covers his tracks, there are no consequences to fear. You make her life a living hell, and fuck her brains out in the process.

You win.

Basically, you want the kid to lie to his best friend and continue lying. You want him to deal with drama every time she is around.

He's already dealing with the drama. He's already sent a text saying he doesn't want to see her anymore. He's might tell his friend or will tell his friend, or risks his sister telling his friend.

As for lying to his best friend - this is a trivial issue. I don't consider it to be a moral wrong to lie about trivial things.

Quote:

You want to keep text messages to prove that she was an aggressor and asked for it.

The text messages will most likely come into play even if he decides not to bang her.

Quote:

Personally, I would just fuck some other chick and not deal with all the bullshit. Your post seems like a lot of work just to fuck one chick.

Nothing to do with white knighting but about not dealing with all the nonsense you talked about in your post.

He already has to deal with the nonsense. The only difference is whether or not he gets easy sex out of it.

[worldwidetraveler]

(01-04-2012 01:50 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

As for lying to his best friend - this is a trivial issue. I don't consider it to be a moral wrong to lie about trivial things.

Yeah, he is dealing with some nonsense right now but a lot more will come into play if he bangs her.

I mean look at your post... The drama increased 10 fold. haha

I am not going into the moral or immoral stuff. That is up to each person to decide. The reason I mentioned the lying isn't to say it was immoral but to point out that he needs to keep his lies in check otherwise he will get busted.

Personally, I would rather not lie so I don't have to worry about covering myself every time I talked to my friend. Maybe I need to work on my lying skills. ha

Honestly, I think the guy should just talk to his friend and see what he thinks about him getting with his sister. Make a joke out of becoming his brother or something like that and see how he reacts. Hell, he could get the green light from his friend.

[MikeCF]

(01-04-2012 01:34 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

I'm still waiting for a single argument in favor of how this could blow up in his face. The people here are being irrational. It's mostly moralizing, and yet no moral arguments have been provided.

I didn't bring morality into it.

There's no moral code requiring you to have friends. There's no code requiring you to help a friend in need. There's no code requiring a friend to help you when you're in need.

In terms of living a far richer, broader, more fulfilled life, having friends and looking out for one another is among the best things to do.

I can go out tonight and get fresh pussy. I can go out any night and get fresh pussy.

So why fuck a bitch when it might upset my friend?

See, that's the issue you guys are missing.

Or maybe not. Maybe you guys just aren't pulling like you claim on the Internet.

If a guy is truly pulling mad pussy, this issue is not even complicated. "There's a lot of pussy in this world. Why upset a friend over something as fungible as pussy?"

Hell, when I go out, if a guy likes the girl I'm talking go, and if the guy is a good friend, I'll give her over to him. Why would I care? I'll just go find another.

Once you truly master the game, and understand how easy it is to get women (and how hard it is to find legit guy friends), you'll understand where I'm coming from.

[Samseau]

Quote:

In terms of living a far richer, broader, more fulfilled life, having friends and looking out for one another is among the best things to do.

See, this is a moral issue, and I find nothing objectionable with it. If you want to have a friend, you must display loyalty to them. Betraying someone who considers you a friend is evil.

But...

Quote:

So why fuck a bitch when it might upset my friend?

Seriously, even the most beta of my friends shouldn't be upset if I fuck someone who comes onto me. If they had an issue, I'd ask them why they are defending her when she made all the moves.

Quote:

Once you truly master the game, and understand how easy it is to get women (and how hard it is to find legit guy friends), you'll understand where I'm coming from.

Honestly, I can't see, for the life of me, how this has anything to do with women. Maybe you should work on your friendship skills?

For as long as I can remember, I have always had between 1-3 close trustworthy guy friends. Even when I moved into Boston with zero friends, I made a close friend in less than a month after moving in. I'd make friends with guys at bars, guys at dance clubs, guys who decide to move into my apartment from craigslist, etc. I find I'm pretty picky with guy friends because there's really no problem for me getting more. And yes, these are guys I can TRUST, who would help me out late at night if my car broke down.

Now, I would NEVER put a woman in front of my friend, because I don't put men in front of women. I never have, and never will. I've helped my beta male friends get back with their old flames (even though I knew it'd be bad for them), I've entertained wives and girlfriends of these guys, I've helped other Alpha's get laid. I put my friends in front of my own interests and there's never been much of an issue.

Over the course of my life, I can recall 10 close friends (like hanging out at their house regularly close) that I would spend years with before we grew apart. I hear guys complaining about not having friends, but it's never been a problem for me. I'm not sure how I make close friends. It's like I have a natural "guy-game" or something.

But I can tell you, standing up to your friends for not doing anything wrong (like banging his sister who comes onto you) is how you build a stronger relationship. I've gotten into fights with the closest of my guy friends and remained friends with them for years afterwards. I consider conflict between close buddies to be normal and it shows, more than anything, that the two guys care for each other.

The way I make close friends is by being REAL, showing them who I am, flaws and all, and they can either accept me or reject me. There's no nitpicking or me being afraid of offending my friends. I don't act FAKE, I don't try to be extra polite or game anyone. I open right up and just say who I am. And if you lose the friend, so be it, the friendship wasn't meant to be.

The way I behave drives away women in droves, so it's the opposite of what you should do with women, but it works very well with men. For women, you must be fake and game the fuck out of them, which is why it took me so long to have success with girls.

[Deluge]

(01-04-2012 06:58 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Seriously, even the most beta of my friends shouldn't be upset if I fuck someone who comes onto me. If they had an issue, I'd ask them why they are defending her when she made all the moves.

If you fuck your friends sister your relationship will instantly be destroyed. You may lose some friends you have in common as they take his side. Even the ones that stay with you won't be able to trust you around their female relatives or girlfriends. No bitch is worth that.

[Deluge]

Edit: Double post

[alphabeta]

"Dude. Your sister has been coming onto me really hard lately. I won't say I'm not interested but I wanted to clear it with you first."

If he objects, all good. Ask why and explain your side but don't push the issue. If he's cool with it, all good. Enjoy the notch.

There is no real reason for him to object if you're friends, but he'll appreciate your being forward and sincere. You could get away with it consequence free, but if you want to consider his feelings just be straightforward.

[Parlay44]

On the flip side if her brother is cool with it you should play it like "You're brother would kill me if he ever found out". Makes for hotter sex

[SimonRierdon]

Bang her. Honestly, it's bad karma to turn down a guaranteed bang. Who gives a fuck about her brother who is your friend? He isn't the ones who wants to make your life a little more pleasurable. Let me tell you something young grasshopper, turning down a sure bang will have karmic consequences in the future that you can't anticipate now. Never ever, ever pass up a sure bang if she passes your boner test, because karma will surely give you a dry spell that will test your resolve. Trust me on this, I did it a couple of times and I'll never go through that again.

[Hawk]

If you fuck your friend's sister, it means you don't give a fuck about your friendship. Sadly, given the choice, most guys would choose to fuck the girl. I know it from my own experience, my sister is very attractive and almost all of my friends tried to flirt with her when she was single. In fact, a then friend of mine started a relationship with her when I was 20, and I suffered a great deal. Guys without sisters are usually very insensitive about this issue.

[Samseau]

(01-14-2012 03:25 PM)Hawk Wrote:  

If you fuck your friend's sister, it means you don't give a fuck about your friendship. Sadly, given the choice, most guys would choose to fuck the girl. I know it from my own experience, my sister is very attractive and almost all of my friends tried to flirt with her when she was single. In fact, a then friend of mine started a relationship with her when I was 20, and I suffered a great deal. Guys without sisters are usually very insensitive about this issue.

No one said to start a relationship with her. It was just for the bang.

[The Black Knight]

Been mulling over this topic for a bit now.

I've got a friends sister that I see every once in a blue moon via group events but with each encounter is escalating her interest. The last two visits, she has come off VERY strong: very positive comments on my looks, lots of touching, inviting me to tag along for overseas trips, sitting very close to me while alone (the way chicks sit right before they make-out/jump on you). The sexual tension was very high the last time I saw her.

She is real fun to flirt and talk with but is NOT LTR material. She recently invited me to come over and watch XYZ show alone with her. The bang is already in the bag if I want it.

The question I have for people here is:

Has anybody experienced any fallout personally from banging a friends sister? Or experienced fallout from having a friend bang your sister? For reference, we are talking about age 30+ individuals and all parties are fairly mature individuals. Friend is someone I've known for a while but only hang out with sporadically. I do value the guys friendship and don't want to jeopardize or damage it in any way.

However to be clear: I'm not interested in academic arguments or brocode stuff; actual experience or 2nd hand experience only and what the fallout (if any) was like.

My gut is saying as long as I don't lead the chick on (we are not LTR material together and she knows this) and I make it quite clear that this is strictly a casual thing, everything should be good to go. I won't deny we hang out if asked (I expect the cat to get outta of the bag eventually) but it seems a bit retarded to me go get approval prior to the bang from a brother as some others have suggested; especially since we are talking something casual. "Hey man, is it OK I bang out your sister for fun?" --- That's not going to happen.

I suppose if the brother approached me, I'd say something along the lines of: "Well, we talked it out in detail and we have a mutual understanding of what we both want." Unless some sort of gross abuse or manipulation is occurring, I don't think the sisters sex life is anyone's else business.

Anyhow again, if anyone has any experience with a similar situation (either as the guy banging the sister and/or as the sisters brother): please chime in.

[262]

One of my buddies OK'd one of my other buddies to bang his sister.

Slightly awkward afterwards though.

Probably best to apply Standard Game advice: "Go approach more girls."