[nomadicdude]

The South is definitely nothing like the North when it comes to how easy it is to meet girls, but when I was in Floripa there was one samba club where the gringo guys seemed to at least be getting some attention from girls. This totally wasn't the case in the more pricey clubs though where the girls had bitchy American attitudes. I'm not sure who these B-girls at the samba place were. They could just be semi-pros basically looking for some money.

In my hostel I also know a couple guys got B-ass, I think from Brazilian tourist chicks. So stuff is possible in the South, but there really is no point considering how good the North is. It's stupid that most short term tourist guys looking for ass go to Rio and the south.

[chochemonger1]

(12-24-2011 07:06 PM)nomadicdude Wrote:  

The South is definitely nothing like the North when it comes to how easy it is to meet girls, but when I was in Floripa there was one samba club where the gringo guys seemed to at least be getting some attention from girls. This totally wasn't the case in the more pricey clubs though where the girls had bitchy American attitudes. I'm not sure who these B-girls at the samba place were. They could just be semi-pros basically looking for some money.

In my hostel I also know a couple guys got B-ass, I think from Brazilian tourist chicks. So stuff is possible in the South, but there really is no point considering how good the North is. It's stupid that most short term tourist guys looking for ass go to Rio and the south.

Yes the north of brazil is where its at Now. The quality is a bit lower but the woman will make you happy..No Doubt.

[nomadicdude]

People always say that north doesn't have as many good looking girls but from what I saw it's opposite. Obesity is MUCH more prevalent in the south than in the north. I'd go to upper class clubs in Salvador where 80% plus of the girls were skinny 7s or above. In Floripa I'd go to clubs and half the girls were at least a little overweight, and these were some of the most expensive clubs I've ever been to in my freaking life. Rio sucked like that too.

I think the reason people prefer the south is because there are more European looking chicks, but to me pussy is pussy, and I saw a lot hotter chicks up north. And hell, why travel to Brazil to see chicks you can find in Europe or the US. I'd rather see a hot girl who has that unique Brazilian look you can't find anywhere else in the world.

[iknowexactly]

(12-22-2011 03:53 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

I like this. I want to be hated. I wrote to my ex specifically how hot the girls were in Iceland.

I've got to amend this.

I mean I want to be hated by MurkaWhales, not by the locals where I go to escape MurkaBitches.

What's happening here I believe is self-defeating. I was looking for a street in Lviv on google and I found a post on my thread on Lviv here on the first page of Google searches.

I'm getting way worse vibes in stores and so forth than I did in Ukraine ten years ago. I don't know if it's cause I'm older and fatter, but I had long hair then like I do now. That was also a more remote part of Ukraine. I'm very soft-spoken, excessively polite, yet many (maybe 30-40%) storekeepers and clerks are almost openly hostile. It's low-key, but I notice marked deliberate ignoring of friendly gestures.

Since I'm an LTR guy, it's not quite as bad, but for players the more they talk about it the more on guard people will be.

Also it seems like a lot of EE chix know someone who married a guy and moved to Western Europe.

I'm speculating it seems some of them who have something on the ball are doing sex tourism in reverse, essentially marriage tourism. They're "vacationing" in Western Europe, hoping to compete for the cool alphas their western sisters want.

I already was blown off by one chick here who is going to Germany for a week and was too "tired" to hang out. She's spending like
three months' disposable income to go to Germany in December? It's like 40F and drizzling there. She's looking for guys.

One of the sad things about Ukraine is how when someone is explaining why a product is low quality, often just saying it's Ukrainian is enough. I bought two American-To-European electric plug adaptors that broke almost immediately, you could almost say that there weren't even the product they were supposed to be, just something that looked enough like it to get someone to buy it.
Someone visiting as a sex tourist won't permanently get you out of a culture that is such a mess. The only answer for them is to get out of here for good.

[Brian]

discount European airlines and the internet may have ultimately killed the streets paved in pussy of Eastern Europe

[iknowexactly]

(12-24-2011 11:10 PM)Brian Wrote:  

discount European airlines and the internet may have ultimately killed the streets paved in pussy of Eastern Europe

yes, the pink-collar chicks I'm dealing with have unlimited cheap broadband, I'm guessing they have/can see the lifestyle of the cock-carousel SATC girls; the idea of just a provider is so boring, when they have a cool guy.

[Luckystar]

(12-24-2011 11:03 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(12-22-2011 03:53 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

I like this. I want to be hated. I wrote to my ex specifically how hot the girls were in Iceland.

I've got to amend this.

I mean I want to be hated by MurkaWhales, not by the locals where I go to escape MurkaBitches.

What's happening here I believe is self-defeating. I was looking for a street in Lviv on google and I found a post on my thread on Lviv here on the first page of Google searches.

I'm getting way worse vibes in stores and so forth than I did in Ukraine ten years ago. I don't know if it's cause I'm older and fatter, but I had long hair then like I do now. That was also a more remote part of Ukraine. I'm very soft-spoken, excessively polite, yet many (maybe 30-40%) storekeepers and clerks are almost openly hostile. It's low-key, but I notice marked deliberate ignoring of friendly gestures.

Since I'm an LTR guy, it's not quite as bad, but for players the more they talk about it the more on guard people will be.

Also it seems like a lot of EE chix know someone who married a guy and moved to Western Europe.

I'm speculating it seems some of them who have something on the ball are doing sex tourism in reverse, essentially marriage tourism. They're "vacationing" in Western Europe, hoping to compete for the cool alphas their western sisters want.

I already was blown off by one chick here who is going to Germany for a week and was too "tired" to hang out. She's spending like
three months' disposable income to go to Germany in December? It's like 40F and drizzling there. She's looking for guys.

One of the sad things about Ukraine is how when someone is explaining why a product is low quality, often just saying it's Ukrainian is enough. I bought two American-To-European electric plug adaptors that broke almost immediately, you could almost say that there weren't even the product they were supposed to be, just something that looked enough like it to get someone to buy it.
Someone visiting as a sex tourist won't permanently get you out of a culture that is such a mess. The only answer for them is to get out of here for good.

I love this post. This is more of an accurate sentiment of EE than the hype threads on Romania, Serbia, Ukraine, etc.

I had a rant of EE living conditions a while back. Can't remember the thread.

[InternationPlayboy]

The nice thing that will always keep lots of spots still somewhat undiscovered is the good old language barrier. Most of these sex tourists aren't going to learn the language, therefore they are limited to major cities where most people speak english.

[iknowexactly]

(12-25-2011 12:54 AM)InternationPlayboy Wrote:  

The nice thing that will always keep lots of spots still somewhat undiscovered is the good old language barrier. Most of these sex tourists aren't going to learn the language, therefore they are limited to major cities where most people speak english.

I agree as to the end result, nothing can come close to the entitlement and hyper-hypergamic standards of the MurkaBeest.

[ManAbout]

(12-24-2011 11:03 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

Also it seems like a lot of EE chix know someone who married a guy and moved to Western Europe.

I'm speculating it seems some of them who have something on the ball are doing sex tourism in reverse, essentially marriage tourism. They're "vacationing" in Western Europe, hoping to compete for the cool alphas their western sisters want.

I already was blown off by one chick here who is going to Germany for a week and was too "tired" to hang out. She's spending like
three months' disposable income to go to Germany in December? It's like 40F and drizzling there. She's looking for guys.

I don't know if they are necessarily looking for guys. Many of them are also searching for job opportunities. But, the overall ideal that Ukrainian and/or Russian women are sitting in their hovels waiting for their knight in shining armour from W Europe or N America is somewhat outdated now. If not completely so.

One girl I talked to on Vkontakte went to Italy this summer for her holidays, last year she went to Spain. And this winter she already been to Egypt. She doesn't strike me as particularly rich or anything either. Many of them have pictures from their trips to Thailand. All of them have internet connections at home. I remember even a few years ago, they would have to go the internet cafe to get online. Now, it seems to be longer the case. Even, in small towns the names of which you have never heard or can't pronounce.

[Luckystar]

dit

[Brian]

When I was in Bulgaria in 2007 I met a girl who said her favorite show was "Sex and the City" and her favorite character was Samantha. Seriously, you cant make this shit up.

You can still clean up in those places but you have to legitimately live there. They are such dumps that the only reason the girls suspect you are there is because of the girls. But if you have a legitimate reason like work you can tear thru those places.

[iknowexactly]

(12-25-2011 11:31 AM)ManAbout Wrote:  

I don't know if they are necessarily looking for guys. Many of them are also searching for job opportunities. But, the overall ideal that Ukrainian and/or Russian women are sitting in their hovels waiting for their knight in shining armour from W Europe or N America is somewhat outdated now. If not completely so.

One girl I talked to on Vkontakte went to Italy this summer for her holidays, last year she went to Spain. And this winter she already been to Egypt. She doesn't strike me as particularly rich or anything either. Many of them have pictures from their trips to Thailand. All of them have internet connections at home. I remember even a few years ago, they would have to go the internet cafe...

How much time have you spent in EE? +1 for using "hovels"; a cool word.
Technology has gotten cheaper and more widespread to be sure, which will help worsen hypergamic instincts thorugh tantalizing images of chicks with $500 shoes, but the other material aspects of life appear to be deeply mired at a far lower aspect, not quite hovels, but...

Here's the per capita income chart for Europe-- Moldova is desperate at about ONE-HALF Ukraine, Ukraine's per-capita income is about ONE-TWELFTH that of Germany ( $2800 vs. 42560) although via the Purchasing Power method of calculation, it's about ONE-SIXTH, and by the PNI method ( not purchasing power) about a sixth that of Portugal. Russia is doing relatively well with about 3x Ukraine income, -- but that may be very skewed by oligarch oil income-- and from my experience, those types of figures are WORSE than they seem, because what matters in people having economic hope is DISPOSABLE income, income to save up and change their lives (like I was able to do in Murka to move to EE) and if you've got to spend almost all your money to survive, you have very very little.

I do grant they are taking trips abroad. I don't know how they do it, -- discount air, spending all their disposable income, help from relatives, and ???

source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sov...per_capita
(source of chart below)

Purchasing power method ( takes into account cheaper items in the country)
http://siteresources.worldbank.org/DATAS.../GNIPC.pdf

[Dash Global]

(12-25-2011 12:54 AM)InternationPlayboy Wrote:  

The nice thing that will always keep lots of spots still somewhat undiscovered is the good old language barrier. Most of these sex tourists aren't going to learn the language, therefore they are limited to major cities where most people speak english.

That doesnt/wont stop these guys. All they need to know is cuanto cuesta, and cuanto tiempo.

They flock to where the most females are, which happens to be in the major cities.

Most these chicks speak business english anyways. (money and time).

Only the budget mongers will start to branch off into 2nd and 3rd tier cities.

Hell dudes budget in Medellin (hitting up local pimps in centro for the newest/youngest chicks for next to nothing)

[Brian]

i met an EE girl who also took a fair amount of trips abroad but I figure they live w/their parents, have minimal expenses, get can a discount round trip flight for 150 and probably stay at cheap accomodations, so these trips abroad probably cost about $500 or so, which may be one month wage. but remember, they're not paying rent often times, no car payment, minimal expenses, so they can save pretty easily.

[Blunt]

When you meet an EE girl going abroad a lot who works as a shop girl there is a dick with a wallet involved. Young people in general definitely save a lot by either living with their parents or having flats handed down to them from relatives, but still salaries are much more modest than in the west. Add to that, with Russian girls especially, they spend a lot of money on make-up and clothes for going out. Its in their DNA to take shit for free from lovesick men with cash.

My experience in Russia has been if you learn the language well and have a solid reason for being there you can silence the more suspicious devushkas. Many ascribe a harder difficulty to learning their language than actually exists, so when you know more than the phrasebook they probably think you are legit. If you make-up a back story just make sure it is congruent, realistic, and still value adding. Best to stick with a well-known ex-pat industry especially if you are one of the online money-maker types because they can be real skeptical if you can't concisely explain your job.

This stuff really only applies to skeptical girls. I am thankful that a Russian visa is still a pain in the ass for EU, AUS, and US to get and I hope it stays that way until I've had my fill.

[MiXX]

(12-27-2011 11:31 AM)Blunt Wrote:  

I am thankful that a Russian visa is still a pain in the ass for EU, AUS, and US to get and I hope it stays that way until I've had my fill.

Blunt, you wrote in your profile that your home country is USA, how do you have such ease going back and forth to Russia?

Mixx

[Blunt]

(12-27-2011 11:36 AM)MiXX Wrote:  

(12-27-2011 11:31 AM)Blunt Wrote:  

I am thankful that a Russian visa is still a pain in the ass for EU, AUS, and US to get and I hope it stays that way until I've had my fill.

Blunt, you wrote in your profile that your home country is USA, how do you have such ease going back and forth to Russia?

Mixx

I'm teaching English right now in a small city. There is only one school that I know of so I won't name it for privacy reasons, but when I'm tired of this (probably soon) I'm going to roam about and churn out some data sheets for y'all. My plan is to hit some of the lesser known cities and assess the talent.

[LostGringo]

I spoke with an old colleague today that I haven't spoken to in years. We were in the Soviet Far East back in '91 and were comparing notes and war stories. I just did a few trips for work, but he pulled a visa and stayed on for a couple of years - which was very difficult to do back then. I had a great time and he absolutely killed it, but eventually tired of the miserable life and "hardened" women. The reason I bring this up is that our conversation and his observations are essentially the same as the ones on this forum - from 20 years ago. Thats before the internet/online dating site, discount airfares and the rest of the shit that has killed this gig. Right? Wrong. These FSU cunts are cold-assed businesswomen and they are simply responding to the marketplace of love-sick/horny men who fuck up the bell-curve. In my experience, it will always be a cold financial transaction when a foreigner treks to the FSU in search of pussy. I'm fine with that, but I'm also not looking for, nor I believe in "love". That's what your mother is for.

[iknowexactly]

(12-27-2011 07:42 PM)LostGringo Wrote:  

I had a great time and he absolutely killed it, but eventually tired of the miserable life and "hardened" women. ........I'm also not looking for, nor I believe in "love". That's what your mother is for.

Does the bleak world cause your cynical attitude? Maybe it works the other way around, and your cynical mindset is what makes the world look bleak. And with it looking bleak, you react a certain way, and that helps keep it bleak in the reality you help create.

Probably a combination of both, which is called "reciprocal determinism."

What you're implying, probably without thinking about it, is:
1) Mother love is real, but all else is fake
2) So for the human race to continue, children have to be conceived by men and women who do not love each other ( it doesn't exist.)
3) Then, when the children of this austere union are born, they will be loved by their mother, but it is the only love they'll ever know, except that the child might love the mother in your world model.
4) Men never love anyone but their mother.

That is one bleak outlook.

Old Tale: Two travelers arrive at a city, and both ask an old man at the gates " What are the people like here?"

"What are they like where you come from?" the old man asks.
The first traveler said "They're honest, hard-working, loyal, and friendly. "
"That's what they're like here, " the old man replied.
"And what about where you are from? What are people like there?" the old man asked the second traveler.
"Deceitful, lazy, and ill-tempered." the second traveler said.
"That's what they're like here." the old man said to the second traveler.

If you wait long enough, you can find the good in almost everyone.
If you want to find out more about people who remain optimistic despite horrific life circumstances, look for information on
the Russian author who wrote "Life and Fate".

[misterstir]

IMO, you're only a sex tourist if you are paying prostitutes or semi prostitutes/escorts etc. for sex.

A guy who goes to another country or the 3rd world and is just highly desired, is not a sex tourist. I would not consider a white guy in asia a sex tourist anymore than a black guy in the nordic/baltics.

Women are jealous creatures. The same women who routinely reject a man will turn around and bash him for having sex with foreign women. A very ignorant comment I heard from a woman was: O my god I can't believe "john" had sex with local girls in the DR, they could have aids and diseases and stuff. Yeah because american women never have diseases.

I wouldn't go as far to say love doesn't exist, but its harder to find it in certain places like russia where women are money grubbing or LA. Maybe easier to find it a 3 tier city in the 3 world like Lebanon than it is in LA which is known to have lots of fake women who will use you for money.

[Spike]

(12-27-2011 07:42 PM)LostGringo Wrote:  

I spoke with an old colleague today that I haven't spoken to in years. We were in the Soviet Far East back in '91 and were comparing notes and war stories. I just did a few trips for work, but he pulled a visa and stayed on for a couple of years - which was very difficult to do back then. I had a great time and he absolutely killed it, but eventually tired of the miserable life and "hardened" women. The reason I bring this up is that our conversation and his observations are essentially the same as the ones on this forum - from 20 years ago. Thats before the internet/online dating site, discount airfares and the rest of the shit that has killed this gig. Right? Wrong. These FSU cunts are cold-assed businesswomen and they are simply responding to the marketplace of love-sick/horny men who fuck up the bell-curve. In my experience, it will always be a cold financial transaction when a foreigner treks to the FSU in search of pussy. I'm fine with that, but I'm also not looking for, nor I believe in "love". That's what your mother is for.

Depends where you go, i was a poor back packer in 2009 and traveled throughout russia. I banged 3 girls for multiple days there. In those days i didn't have a clue about gaming. I never even heard of The game, Pua's and Mystery at that time. I'd probably clean up if i go there now.

Stories are on my site

[Hooligan Harry]

(12-27-2011 07:42 PM)LostGringo Wrote:  

I spoke with an old colleague today that I haven't spoken to in years. We were in the Soviet Far East back in '91 and were comparing notes and war stories. I just did a few trips for work, but he pulled a visa and stayed on for a couple of years - which was very difficult to do back then. I had a great time and he absolutely killed it, but eventually tired of the miserable life and "hardened" women. The reason I bring this up is that our conversation and his observations are essentially the same as the ones on this forum - from 20 years ago. Thats before the internet/online dating site, discount airfares and the rest of the shit that has killed this gig. Right? Wrong. These FSU cunts are cold-assed businesswomen and they are simply responding to the marketplace of love-sick/horny men who fuck up the bell-curve. In my experience, it will always be a cold financial transaction when a foreigner treks to the FSU in search of pussy. I'm fine with that, but I'm also not looking for, nor I believe in "love". That's what your mother is for.

This is exactly the sort of mentality that is the problem with men these days. They expect women to be traditional but they dont want to be traditional men anymore. Its no different to the fembots who want all the benefits of feminism and then complain that men are no longer chivalrous. You cant have the best of both worlds chaps.

In Russian culture, and many parts of EE, men provide. In Russian culture, men feed their families and clothe their wives and kids. They pay for holidays and shopping sprees. Men who cant do this are not men, they are distractions for a short time and nothing more. This is something many western men just never get. They treat all men this way, not just foreign men.

Going there and then bitching about the fact that they are not westernised to the point where they want to pay for everything themselves is ironic when you consider you are fleeing that sort of environment in the first place. These are not feminised women, the vast majority believe in gender roles.

They expect men to provide and it is a transaction. They are honest to the point of bluntness about it, like they are with everything. If you think there is no transaction when you get "married for love" in the west you are pretty naive though I think. And thinking that you are going to "game" them out of a basic cultural expectations is pretty daft too.

Being a successful man in Russia is sexy time paradise. They turn a blind eye to your cheating and its not unusual for men to have a mistress or two. As many as he can afford as long as his wife and kids are well looked after. At the same time, they will fuck your brains out in an effort to keep your sack drained so that you dont stray. They have a lot of competition and they know it, not to mention that gender dynamics mean they rely on men to provide them with a decent lifestyle.

Throw into the mix their looks, distaste for trivial bullshit, good education and genuine interests that the typical western whore finds boring (IE: not celebrity news or reality TV) and it becomes far less of a problem to pay for dinner or cover the cost of a hotel for a weekend.

Russia and the FSU are improving economically now. Which means that the womans expectations are growing. The hotter the chick, the higher the expectations.

There are still tons of 7's and 8's who dont have rich suitors and local guys showering them with money, so it really is a non-issue if you are only looking to fuck. Seriously, way too much is made of this crap if you are only looking to bang these broads. They are a little more conservative than western women, but they still like dick and they are all up for it.

I have posted numerous times on this board about this though. The whole sex tourist thing has been a problem for a while and its going to get worse. You need to change your approach guys and you need to get your story straight. You are not there for a holiday, you are there to find a place to stay because work is transferring you. You are looking for an apartment for 12 months and are researching for a book you are writing. You are considering moving there. Anything that makes it seem like it might be more than a 2 week trip where you are only there to fuck the local women.

As for everyone calling you a sex tourist? Hahaha, most of us here are sex tourists. I go to these places for work, but my holidays and even work trips are sometimes planned around pussy. I wrangled a business trip to Argentina last year just because I wanted to dip my wick. There are tons of reasons to be going to most of these countries for reasons other than sex, just give those as your reasons if people ask.

Never apologise for being a horndog.

[LostGringo]

(12-27-2011 09:28 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(12-27-2011 07:42 PM)LostGringo Wrote:  

I had a great time and he absolutely killed it, but eventually tired of the miserable life and "hardened" women. ........I'm also not looking for, nor I believe in "love". That's what your mother is for.

Does the bleak world cause your cynical attitude? Maybe it works the other way around, and your cynical mindset is what makes the world look bleak. And with it looking bleak, you react a certain way, and that helps keep it bleak in the reality you help create.

Probably a combination of both, which is called "reciprocal determinism."

What you're implying, probably without thinking about it, is:
1) Mother love is real, but all else is fake
2) So for the human race to continue, children have to be conceived by men and women who do not love each other ( it doesn't exist.)
3) Then, when the children of this austere union are born, they will be loved by their mother, but it is the only love they'll ever know, except that the child might love the mother in your world model.
4) Men never love anyone but their mother.

That is one bleak outlook.

Old Tale: Two travelers arrive at a city, and both ask an old man at the gates " What are the people like here?"

"What are they like where you come from?" the old man asks.
The first traveler said "They're honest, hard-working, loyal, and friendly. "
"That's what they're like here, " the old man replied.
"And what about where you are from? What are people like there?" the old man asked the second traveler.
"Deceitful, lazy, and ill-tempered." the second traveler said.
"That's what they're like here." the old man said to the second traveler.

If you wait long enough, you can find the good in almost everyone.
If you want to find out more about people who remain optimistic despite horrific life circumstances, look for information on
the Russian author who wrote "Life and Fate".

IKE; you sound like a veritable ranconteur. We should go drinking some time in the FSU and compare notes, but it will have to wait until the cold, dark winter of the western Ukraine passes - you know, the same one that slowed Hitler's mighty Wehrmacht to a crawl. I appreciate your use of selective quotes and general patronizing tone in generously offering a psychological profile of yours truly. However, I'm a bit disappointed in your rush to judgement sans a more detailed investigation of the subject. I do wish you well in your pursuit of a lovely maiden of the Ukraine, one who will love you for the wonderful man you are and that you are able to a sire a brood of wonderful kids - of which the world certainly needs many more of. If you happen to strike out in Ukraine, you might wish to check out my review of Chisinau, which is populated with ethnic Romanians, who I find to be much more fun than the icy Ukrainians. Rest assured that I had good time there and it really helped get my cynicism under control.

Thank you as well for the reading recommendation - rest assured that I'll take it under advisement.

[iknowexactly]

Oh, if I'm patronizing in writing, I'm absolutely insufferable in person!
As well as trying to maintain the Murkan standard of being fat, poorly dressed, and loud.

I love these bleak places, I'm not the only one that's not depressed, unlike bizarre, cartoonish Murka where everything is covered in brightly colored plastic and smiles are surgically affixed to everyone but rap stars.

They get free guns, 'cause you know it takes twice as many muscles to frown as it does to smile!!

If you come to Lviv, I'm buying. I mean not the EXPENSIVE stuff-- you know, but something.