[Luckystar]

(12-01-2011 02:24 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(12-01-2011 01:24 PM)Luckystar Wrote:  

Mechanico, I am bracing myself for 'the shock' once I leave the EE back to TO. To make matters worse, I will be leaving from the epicenter of hotness, Kiev.

I am expecting all or any combination of dry heaving, blackouts, and convulsions once I'm back. God help me.

How long do you have to stay here? I'm interested to hear Roosh's view on this if he's reading.

I used to think he was a little over the top with American women. Now I think he's being kind.

Why is this community such a small part of the population? I mean even the dudes who can't afford to move around should still be bitching up a storm.

Me and Roosh had many long winded conversations about why there are so few guys that feel this way...seemingly.

My theory is that the current NA male is a liar and a sellout (either consciously or unconsciously). He lies to women and his fellow males about how he loves a strong and intelligent women because he believes it puts him in a better competitive position with these women. Pure sellout.

Or he has been unknowingly bamboozled to believe he enjoys PHAT booties and cougars, which has only serves to increase and elongate women's market value. Shamed into thinking too young and too skinny, the modern NA male has regressed to a new low in which he believes he actually wants a larger, older, stronger women. Basically he doesn't know his head from his ass anymore.

Having said all that, I don't think all NA cities are hopeless. I think the worst cities are large, second tier professionally based cities (places like DC, TO, Seattle, etc). First tier cities still have the quality to compete with other parts of the world that make it still worth it my opinion (NYC, LA, MIA, etc.). And there are still less traveled out of the way places like ND, Calgary, etc in which you can find more wholesome girls with good/decent attitudes. Any way you slice it though, girls from EE, SA, and SEA are more alluring.

[latinapuslover]

its devastating coming back to the states. it really makes you not wanna even game there anymore. 1 year in DR is like 10 years in the states. i find it its not worth wasting my time there anymore.

[Roosh]

Here's how it is to return:

1. Total culture shock. "What the fuck is this place?"
2. Reconnect. You visit the things or people that you missed. You appreciate a couple things.
3. First return bang. You bang an American slut. You think, "Oh well that's not too bad."
4. But it was that bad. When the sex afterglow wanes, you see the culture for what it is. You start thinking how to stay away for even longer next time.

From my two trips, you can see these stages on my blog almost to a T.

What usually happens is you take more frequent trips or start thinking how to stay away for a while. Once you've tasted the good fruit, you can no longer eat the bad.

[KingofScotland]

Weren't you only away for a couple of weeks? It really won't be that hard to readjust. Trying going away long term and then heading back home. Depressing.

[Vacancier Permanent]

HHarry, Awesome post which eloquently summarizes the situation not only in Australia, but throughout the anglosphere. Each time I return to Boretown aka Toronto, I feel exactly as you guys have described in here. I still have not recovered yet after having tasted the good life in Asia. Now my mind is not on how/when to return, but preparing everything to move permanently out of this shithole called Toronto. I'm planning on buying a place in Asia, most likely in BKK to use as my base to explore the rest of Asia.

Women in TO are totally bland, unattractive and repulsive to the max. I was trying to explain to a guy I know here that women are crap, the bottom of the barrel and he thought I was high or had lost it. He didn't want to believe all the first hand experiences/stories I was telling me of my time first in Brasil then in Asia. I even showed him a few pics and even sent him links to some topics in here but still, it's beyond his level of comprehension. Mind you, it's not his fault as his only experience of "overseas" has been a week at a resort in Cuba. LOL When I tell him or other guys I know that it actually cost less, WAY less to stay and spend a few months in most places overseas than it does here. At the same time, for what you'd spend just to survive here, you could be having a lifestyle that you could only dream of here. Again, flies right above their head. Way way way out of their reality.

As Roosh pointed out, once you've had a taste of real geniunely feminine women (and i'd add of the real good life), then there is no way in hell to return to the bland, boring to death, super mega over-rated and over priced crap they're trying to sell you as "great lifestyle" here which basically consists of falling into the corporate crap, buying a big SUV, a big house in the burbs that will enslave you to your J.O.B. for ever and a nagging, whale that at her slightest whim, can take it all away from you via the courts.

[iknowexactly]

This thread helps to explain more clearly what I felt ever since I first visited Russia the day they elected Yeltsin. ( I even visited a polling station)

I had been Beta-Bashed by Ameri-Whales very badly my whole life before that (1993 I think).

It was such a clear night-and-day difference; with the FSU woman experience being SO much better both objectively and subjectively; that I immediately wrote off MurkaChix and starting largely focusing on getting a Slav--first by bringing one here- partially successful-- and then by getting a passive income going so I can leave and not come back. I have that income now--obtained the dull way, through a pension.

I leave the day after tomorrow, and someone is kindly looking for an apartment in a second tier Ukraine city for me.

OP: May I suggest focusing on getting enough money together so you can live in FSU ( if you can figure out visa issues). That's all it takes-- money, and nerve.

Just look at MurkaChix as victims of a national hallucination that feminism makes sense. They're like ghosts once you know you're going to the FSU.

You also probably are a bit tired after all that travel jet lag too. Your mood may bounce back a bit even amidst the schools of whales.

[T and A Man]

(12-01-2011 01:22 AM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

Its amazing how often I have to read about the man shortage in this country when I see whats going on. Then they all wonder why Aussie men are leaving them for Asians in droves. Tell me you are not noticing more and more interracial couples where its predominantly men and foreign women.

The panic and anger its creating has been music to my ears.

Hah, reminds me of a recent situation where I was chatting to a (now former) Asian workmate, then some entitled whale-to-be (she's 22, but already with a spare tire and flabby arms) interrupts saying "he likes you because you're Asian, he thinks you're submissive"

I responded with an authoritive "What was that?", capturing another "You can't handle strong women".

I gave my response; (let's call the Asian chick J)

"J has an accounting degree, speaks 3 languages and has an interest in life other than binge drinking. She's thinner than you, better looking than you. You left school at 16 to be in your current admin job. She has better manners than you, is polite and she can even manage to chew with her mouth closed. In what area in life is she not a better choice than you?"

The flubbster ums and errs then I continue;

"The only thing where you differ not for the worst is that you have white skin. Now if you think your white skin makes up for all the areas where J is better than you, well I can only view that as racist".

Now she had to play that PC fastball.

J got wet. I could literally see her nostrils flare and she squared her shoulders to look at me directly. It didn't go anywhere, she was married, though I got the impression it wouldn't be too hard to crack, based on how she described her husband.

Now, choices abroad means I can remove myself from their market. I think these white chicks want the market to be captive. Being captive customers means they can continue to be lazy, and to do this they attempt to shame inter-racial dating, I can't see this as anything other than racism to be honest.

[Spike]

(12-01-2011 12:50 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Harry:



You've seen the light because you can travel. But I think most western men, who cannot relocate, will settle for what women they have out of necessity. Western men are raised to be hostages.

Great post indeed. I'm in Suriname now, a former Dutch colony and there are a lot of dutch girls working as an intern here (hospital,teachers). I went out to a club yesterday and was clearly not attracted to Dutch girls anymore.

All the Dutch girls were into black guys anyway, they call it Jungle fever here. Most black guys there are semi poor, a smooth American brother can get a get Dutch flag easy here.

[ersatz]

I think the reason why more people don't bitch or yearn for more freedom than being a beta living in their hometown their entire life is because they don't realize that something better is out there, and they don't feel like they have the freedom/power/opportunity for something better. It's like a poor person sabotaging their opportunities in life since they feel deep down they can't make it. Or thinking being a high-powered business man/lawyer is this weird world of really wealthy people that they can't imagine how they could become it without going through some impossible hell. Or someone living in a desert all their life and not realizing that there's a promised land out there where life is blessed, easy and plentiful.

I've felt like that a lot until I graduated university and got a good paying job, and still do to some extent.

[pitt]

Reason number one why when i return to London, i dont even game girls anymore. They are just not worth my time, i wouldnt mind gaming girls from other cities in England but in London, i just dont game anymore. Stupid fucking bitches.

[Moma]

(12-03-2011 12:54 AM)pitt Wrote:  

Reason number one why when i return to London, i dont even game girls anymore. They are just not worth my time, i wouldnt mind gaming girls from other cities in England but in London, i just dont game anymore. Stupid fucking bitches.

Where are you now, pitt? Where is your home base i.e where do you return to when you've finished doing what you do? Are you a home bred London man?

[KingofScotland]

I agree that after the travelling I've done I just cannot find the majority of girls in my home country attractive anymore. Girls put no effort into their appearance, look scruffy, act masuline and are rude. Some of the girls I work with come into work like they've decided not to bother getting dressed the day, just rolled out of bed and came into work in their PJs. Wearing jogger bottoms and horrible slipper like UGG boots, hair not done, no makeup on. It's horrendous.

[americanInEurope]

(11-30-2011 11:19 PM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

This will be a long post, but being in my mid 30's now might provide some insight. I travelled on the company dime since my early 20's and it was just at the time when the former USSR was coming to terms with its demise, globalisation was ramping up and feminism had really hit its tipping point in the west.

I have never had a hard time of it with women, was quite popular in high school and that continued into my mid 20's. Being good at sports in Australia helped a lot, and I was always pretty outgoing as a kid too. You dont fully comprehend though that there is a cultural problem with your people in general until you travel though. Its a real eye opener. Its something people who dont travel will never understand and its why so many of them are convinced that they have it best where they live, including the women they spend their lives fawning over.

Im not joking when I say that Russian women have ruined me. I was fighting it for years, but I am way beyond the point of fighting it a long time ago. I gave in years ago now and I have completely and utterly thrown the towel in on all western women. They are a waste of my time and I have little patience for their bullshit. At first you think its you, then you realise its your culture as a whole that is absolutely fucked. After going through the anger and acceptance process of it all, you realise that the needle in the haystack probably was not born and raised where you were. You may get lucky from time to time and come across the odd gem, but 99 times out of 100 it was just your dick playing tricks on you again. You go through enough of them and you eventually realise that they have about as much depth to them as splash pool.

Western women are fucked in the head and you can keep them. They are faulty goods and there is nothing they can offer other than 3 holes in a nice package. They bring so little value to the table that if you removed sex from the equation they would add no value to my life at all. They are nothing more than a distraction and a cure to an itch these days.

I used to spend weeks and sometimes months at a time in Russia mostly, but also some of that time in FSU countries too. Most of it was for work, but a lot of it ended up being travel too. It really sucked me in. Every single time I came back to Australia the first thing I noticed was the massive difference in the women and it changed my views on them completely as time went on. You would start speaking to them and you would realise that they really had lost everything which made them women in the first place. The difference was like night and day and it was not easy to accept at first, but eventually it gets to the point where you need to be an idiot to delude yourself any further.

Its not a difference just in looks either, but in overall attitude as a whole. I can forgive discrepancy in looks, but I cant forgive the rest of the shit they bring to the table. Im preaching to the converted here and you all know the score, but that really is the main problem. Its not that the women abroad are hotter, its that the attitudes in general are far better.

You just came from a place where the women dressed well, were feminine, had basic manners and respect for people, took pride in their appearance. The biggest thing for me is that they actually like to be women.

You land back home and its a place where the women are downright rude, obnoxious, spoiled and seem to reject their femininity completely. Most let themselves go horribly, dress poorly and have little respect for men at all. They are caricatures of sitcoms, reality TV shows and TV dramas with little interest in anything outside their own immediate lives and status whoring.

Now many Russian and EE women have hobbies. Things like music, dancing, painting, writing, language study. It was not the "passion" an Australian girl would have for scuba diving or rock climbing, because she had done it two weekends in a row and needed to tell you something impressive, it was a genuine desire to master something they enjoyed. They are very often highly educated, and not in bullshit liberal arts degrees and psychology all the time either. They often have technical degrees in sciences, treating the study of language or history as a hobby. They actually had an interest in shit outside celebrity gossip and the day to day drama of their super awesome lives.

Australian girls would rarely give you the time of day unless you kept it light and entertaining for them too. It is like I am spending my time with children or idiots and they bore me to tears. And it is not just Australian women, it was ALL western women. If they are really attractive, they are almost always so vapid the only reason I want to fuck them half the time is to pound them into submission. I hate fuck western women because its all they are good for. You are talking to a 9 year old little girl, who is in the body of a woman, and it still has dreams of being a princess and stamps its foot like a petulant child when she wants her own way. I take them as seriously as I take a wet fart.

Ironically, treating them with disdain and downright contempt at times has done nothing to harm my success with them.

I started to catch myself staying in touch with a lot of women in Russia and then seeing them when I would return. I would actually LIKE to spend time with them. I would like take them out to dinner because they actually liked to talk about something other than themselves or utter bullshit. I would like to go to a museum with them or take them with me for a weekend somewhere. A Russian women may have an interest in history or politics. An Australian women did not touch a non-fiction book the minute she left high school or university half the time. One I fuck, the other I can actually spend time with if I am not fucking.

I only really learned to appreciate the company of women when I travelled. In most cases I still bang them a few times and then go cold on them, but for the most part I actually do like them. Im just not around enough to get serious with them and I wont apologise for the fact that I like variety. The time spent to bang them though never feels like a chore. Unlike Australian women, where it feels like I am sitting in front of a chalkboard with nails being dragged across while I stick it out for the inevitable bang.

The best way to deal with this is to treat western women with utter disdain. Treat them like the tramps that they are. If anything, you fuck more of them when you view them for what they are. Ill jump through a few hoops if I want to bang her, but not too many because I view them the same way I view cattle. They are all the fucking same, there is nothing special, its just her packaging that is making you think that she is not yet another Sex in the City idolising, celebrity gossip reading, beer drinking slut who lives a selfish existence with a sense of entitlement so great you even cannot comprehend how demanding she really is.

Dont fight it. The place where you live offers other things, but the likelihood of it providing you with quality women is very, very unlikely. Watch the circus with amusement but dont be one of the clowns running around the ring. You know what you know now, use it to your advantage and dont make the same mistakes others do. The advantage you have with women is that western women in general are downright whores. They are absolute sluts and you need to treat them as such. You cant expect whores to be ladies and its not going to happen.

How do you explain Japanese women? Japan is an extremely industrialized and rich country. I lived there for 4 years and have seen many women with money, apartments, going shopping and all that just like western women. But they know their role, and treat a man like a man. Maybe it's the only industrialized country where feminism hasn't hit I guess. But also, Japanese men don't play that shit and after centuries of feudal Japan, it's almost expected that a women has dinner ready when the samurai (man) comes home. Japanese women are super feminine, super kawa-ii, and they have their own fucking money... but they also will hold things down at home when you're out working and they're not.

[RichieP]

I dunno, I still meet feminine girls, even here in London which is fast-paced and heavily law/finance based.

I think it's not so much western girls in general, but the ones who bought too much into feminist ideals/careerism/materialism. Girls who are lawyers, accountants or full-on career heads are the ones with the most gender polarity derangement.

I've met some lovely girls who are teachers, nurses, therapists, or in creative or caring professions (i.e. feminine!). Most girls at heart still want a masculine guy to lead and take control. They just have to be reminded of it, because they meet so few attractive guys.

I see it like this: Maybe 10% of girls I will actually get on with and have chemistry with. That's the same in Asia as it is in the West - it's just that for the girls I dont have chemistry with, the reasons are different depending on the location. In the west it's because they're too masculine/materialistic, in asia it's because they're too shy and conservative.

So I dont know that it's objectively worse back home.

Then again, home for me is Europe. It's possible North America is especially deranged on this front. I've only been clubbing in Vegas, which is full of hotties and had no problem finding feminine girls with good energy. I can see how cities there with a law/finance economy might be full of absolute shockers though.

As for settling down, relationships and marriage etc, yes I agree the west is fucked. But then I think marriage is a pretty dysfunctional institution anywhere. Most PEOPLE in general are scarcity-based, western or not, rich or poor, so to be different from that is always going against the grain, and you have to consciously go against the flow and create the life you want. "If you dont make your own decisions, somebody else will make them for you", etc.

[RichieP]

(12-03-2011 07:24 AM)americanInEurope Wrote:  

How do you explain Japanese women? Japan is an extremely industrialized and rich country. I lived there for 4 years and have seen many women with money, apartments, going shopping and all that just like western women. But they know their role, and treat a man like a man. It's almost annoying sometimes, because it's almost like you're telling them what to do all the time and being an American guy I'm not comfortable with that idea yet lol. Maybe it's the only industrialized country where feminism hasn't hit I guess. But also, Japanese men don't play that shit and after centuries of feudal Japan, it's almost expected that a women has dinner ready when the samurai (man) comes home. Japanese women are super feminine, super kawa-ii, and they have their own fucking money... but they also will hold things down at home when you're out working and they're not. Just my 2c

Yeah Japan is a really interesting case. You cant analyse it through western eyes IMO. They are really very different people from the west and even most of asia. You gotta remember they were an isolated island for thousands of years and only opened up to the world 160 years ago when they were forced to open their ports.

The whole concepts of personal identity and society is entirely different there from anywhere else... they're more like a tribal society with first-world amenities.

They have taken what they needed from the west for quality of life, without absorbing it's values much. They were forced to trade, and they developed and industrialised out of necessity for their own security. But they never took on western values. That's why on the surface they look like a western society, but as you know they really are not. People choose small modest homes, they put the company/family/society ahead of the individual, they are extremely emotionally repressed, etc.

The answer is basically that western values have not permeated their culture nearly as much as it would appear. They've consciously rejected them actually.

Like you say their values are still very much rooted in Feudal Japan mode, despite having evolved their economy and quality of life.

[Deluge]

Things would be similar in South Korea and Taiwan.

[RichieP]

Actually South Korea's different again... they were liberated from Japanese occupation by the USA, and helped out alot with their building their economy etc and so have deliberately taken on alot of western values

There's ALOT of status comparison, all about what apartment complex you're in, what job you've got and what western brands you're wearing, etc. 30% are Christian too and it's growing quickly. One of the countries with the most ridiculous extreme social conditioning IMO.

They're still very Confucian though and it's all about family and bloodlines etc, so they're kind of weird mix of extremes. The main issue with girls is not their westerneness/entitlement, although they have that, but more that they wont even look at you as a foreigner, because relationships are all about preserving family bloodlines and Korea-ness. You can of course find the outliers, usually girls who studied abroad etc (and they're my favourite asians tbh - fiesty and rebellious)

But they definitely are sucked more into western materialism than the Japs.

[Deluge]

Korean birds are supposed to be harder to interracial fuck than Japanese. Or maybe their just tighter in general.

[Sp5]

Just returning to the USA after more than a year away, taking some red pill, and travel through SEA for months. I'm in an East Coast college town.

1. Because of the trip, my attention is drawn to Asian women, but I forgot how much I liked black women. And white women, too: great to have so much variety out on the streets.

2. Lots of women who could be 6+ if they just took off 10 - 20 kg. Saw a tall blonde girl with a very pretty face who could be an 8 just let herself go into fatness. The expression on her face seemed to say she knew that.

3. USA is looking more and more like a two-class society - (a) the clients of all these upscale bars and restaurants with their smartphones, and (b) the toothless, raspy-voiced down-and-outers wandering around. Maybe it's just summer, but seems to be more beggars.

4. Female smartphone addiction is as bad here as anywhere.

5. Great to have 20 great beers on tap to choose from instead of just San Miguel, Leo, Chang, Tiger and Singha (which are all the same).

6. Prices don't seem to be that bad, even after Bangkok.

7. Indians are taking over.

[Vitriol]

(12-01-2011 11:34 AM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

Also, after a while you realise that they all think the frikken same way anyway, and half the time this shit is just situational. All you need to do is create the right situation for her and if she is attracted to you its game on. You dont actually have to get to know them and they certainly dont know me, its physical attraction and emotional strings only. Ill lie to bitches and tell them Im a doctor to fuck them. I feel nothing for them, I owe them nothing and they have nothing to really offer me. They are also so incredibly vapid I know that what I am seeing with her is a nothing more than a charade. The harpie inside wont come out for a few weeks/months still, this as you see her is the best she is ever going to be. So when so many turn out to be horrible, selfish people as early as the first or second meet, I almost feel like I am doing Gods work by trying to hate fuck the bitch.

That paragraph is epic.

(09-13-2013 02:02 PM)Sp5 Wrote:  

3. USA is looking more and more like a two-class society - (a) the clients of all these upscale bars and restaurants with their smartphones, and (b) the toothless, raspy-voiced down-and-outers wandering around. Maybe it's just summer, but seems to be more beggars.

I'm noticing more and more of this too. Lots of grimey looking dudes that are either homeless or working in something like manual labor or food service for slave wages, then when I go out to some of my regular haunts it's mostly professionals. Makes me feel like I'm fortunate to be in group (a) as this is gradually becoming a smaller part of the U.S. population. I don't see this changing anytime soon either, people are either going to be just scraping by or belong to the group that has plenty of disposable income.

[Walderschmidt]

I hate, hate, hate that.

Sometimes I can't decide if I dislike the women more or the men, based on hearing stuff like this.

The worst feminists are other men.

Wald

(12-01-2011 12:22 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

So out of nowhere this dude who was listening behind me comes and tries to punch me in the back of the head. This guy didn't know me or the girl. Both of us grabbed the dude and smashed his head into the bar. I said to the guy "Are you killing me?" (my kid says that) and we pulled the dude outside and we asked him what his deal was and he said "I don't like the way you were talking to her" WTF?

[Northern]

(09-13-2013 02:02 PM)Sp5 Wrote:  

5. Great to have 20 great beers on tap to choose from instead of just San Miguel, Leo, Chang, Tiger and Singha (which are all the same).

My two cents - in Malaysia I see Guinness and Carlsberg everywhere. This is, probably, a side effect of high alcohol prices here due to tax.