[TheAntiWhiteKnight138]

Very well put tenderman, this is higher than "morality" or "character" (which are two terms invented by modern society). This is basic nature at its finest. It truly is messed up that we can see both sides for what it is, but women sit around spinning their wheels for years trying to figure out why they "feel" this way. I just FWB'd a chick who was going through the same thing. Her- "Why do I feel this way, I love by BF but I really want to fuck you continuously????? Me - "You're thinking too much, now bend over"

I see me for what I am, how is it so hard to see the same "light" w/ loads of estrogen running through your veins

[tenderman100]

(11-23-2011 01:24 PM)TheAntiWhiteKnight138 Wrote:  

Very well put tenderman, this is higher than "morality" or "character" (which are two terms invented by modern society). This is basic nature at its finest. It truly is messed up that we can see both sides for what it is, but women sit around spinning their wheels for years trying to figure out why they "feel" this way. I just FWB'd a chick who was going through the same thing. Her- "Why do I feel this way, I love by BF but I really want to fuck you continuously????? Me - "You're thinking too much, now bend over"

I see me for what I am, how is it so hard to see the same "light" w/ loads of estrogen running through your veins

That is great. I think they can't see it because their brain wiring prohibits them from seeing it. If they saw it, they would never have kids, and nature would simply not allow it. Nonetheless the lack of awareness will always remain astonishing to me. I would say that it is almost profound.

I've written on this board in other places why I love banging married women. It's all about harnessing the hypergamy hampster. It's a primal urge, and the sex therefore becomes primal too.

But the same shit happens in the single world, too. If you've gamed some chick, chances are she is either with a Beta type already (like your FWB) or is considering being with one. Then you come along, intrigue her, then fuck her like a porn star, and she goes "my God, I never thought it could be like this!!" but she turns around and feels guilty because she believes in "true love" -- translation, nurturing a brood in a happy home.

The pattern is everywhere, but it is more pronounced in married women. They are tethered to the beta, but long for the alpha. I oblige them. But I do not rescue them, "take them away from all this." I simple serve the 'gina tingle.

[WesternCancer]

I find it funny how none of the women ask for advice on how to make their husband interested again just what they should do about the other guy they're fucking who she hasn't ruined with weight gain and nagging. She is still the princess he married right? Couldn't possibly be her fault could it?

[XXL]

(11-23-2011 12:38 PM)tenderman100 Wrote:  

(11-23-2011 07:35 AM)XXL Wrote:  

it's simpel.. a woman has integrity and character or she does not

bad sex, lack of chemistry etc is all circumstantial and totally irrelevant. all that matters is that some people are honest and some are dishonest. some are fair and some are unfair. some are cheaters and some are not cheaters.

cheaters are cheaters no matter if they date a cool person or some lame ass, if the sex is good or bad. they just don't care so they fuck around. their cheating has nothing to do with that other person and everything to do with their own personal lack of integrity and character. therefore the big lesson about is that cheating has more to do with the person cheating than it has to do with the victim.

and some people just don't do it. it's a matter of their personal values, their sense of morality, character, integrity. that's the real eason.

therefore, the best way is to give other person a lot of space and see how she/he will use that space. give the person long enough rope and see if he hangs himself. this is the only way to determine how this person really is. but 99% people will not do that cause they paranoid that the truth will come out so they prefer to live in fear while controling other person tight enough to eliminate any opportunities. it's crazy. fucking fools.

This makes the assumption that monogamy is the "high character" standard.

Maybe it is, or maybe it isn't, but it isn't the way the human brain is wired.

you can say that. look, i don't know about you all but honesty/trust is high value trait in my books. like really, we like to fantasize about open relationship bullshit but let's cut the fucking shit ok? like for real, when i got girl who's committed and she indeed stays faithful and real then she's the person i respect. and in that situation i like to stay like that too. fair play

these quotes are from total whores straight up. whether they're with assholes or nice guys, that doesn't make the difference cause their character is what it is. they can hide it, mask it but eventually it will come out. alcohol/drugs have similar effect cause that shit doesn't make you other person it just unfilters you letting your real thoughts/desires/cravings come out and you show your true colors. that's why it's very important to learn how to screen and shittest the girl we consider our future GF to figure her out.

(11-23-2011 12:38 PM)tenderman100 Wrote:  

Men are by nature polygamous: they are evolutionarily wired to want strange, especially young nubile strange with firm skin, firm tits, and a firm ass. These women are "ripe." The reason is obvious: spread your seed and your genes as wide as you can.

Women by nature are hypergamous. They want a guy who can provide for their kids, the guy with resources, because raising kids is a long term project. But at the same time they are compelled to find the hottest, most intriguing guy who creates the crazy 'gina tingle. The guy who gets them wet the minute they see him...the guy where just the THOUGHT of his cock gets their mouth watering. Often these two "types" are NOT the same person.

This is the reality. And what you see on this board are men who have accepted, indeed embraced, that polygamy IS what we are meant to do.

why guys want to be players..
mostly because of the feeling they get out of it.

guys who do cold approach a lot for say like 6 months, they get quite proficient at it. then guys who do it for a 1-2 years hook up on the regular. and usually they find a GF by that point. and then fucking weirdos who stick to pu get laid all the time.

but after all it is fucking weird i'm fully aware of it. most guys probably think they want to be one of these weirdos but i really doubt that. they just think how much sex they want to have and they say "i want bang 100 girls/year" and most of the time it's bullshit cause all they mean is to have sex 100 times/year. not exactly 100 different girls. banging over 100 girls/year must require tons of emotional strenght and energy to deal with it. but big players just enjoy it just because of the way it makes them feel.

simply put.. banging 10 different girls a month alone makes us feel like godlike being. it's feeling of incredible fullfillment and huge injection of "i'm awesome" drug EVEN IF we ar one lame stupid douchebag with absolutely nothing going on for us. even then we still feels like the fucking shit. in that state we're not questioning ourselves, we're not stuck in our head, we're walking around smiling, relaxed and our life looks amazing for us no matter what. that's why it can be really disastrous long term for guys who get attached too much to just getting pussy and forget about other things in life.

but really banging tons of girls year by year is actually good and bad. it's actually terrible what it does, it has very negative effect on psyche if a guy don't know how to deal with it but at the same time it has really good effect emotionally. everybody probably knows some mindfucked players with trust issues, with unhealthy point of view etc


as for cheating..
futhermore, act of cheating is triggered by primal instinct as primitive as signals to eat or sleep. thing to remember is to be aware that cheating is not most rational and considerate choice that we logically choose someone else over our partner, it's just our lack of self control over our emotions and desires at that moment. which doesn't makes an excuse for cheating if that what you are looking for.

IMO it's safe to say that cheating doesn't really make anyone more happy or proud and looking at the big picture it's not even something that anybody wants to actually do. people just don't see the instant negative effects of it that they WILL probably be surprised with facing them later on (suckers).

in the end our brain has enough power to override those impulses which is the main reason why you don't see people having sex everywhere with everyone everyday. it all comes down pretty much to the choises we make. every action we take will have its consequences that we will have to deal with eventually. people like to say that life is about the journey but when that journey takes you to the shitty place you might want to think about change the overall direction.

and last thing from me, if you're in happy relationship with high status person that you don't take for granted cheating is the last thing on your mind as losing something precious for 30 minutes of intimacy with stranger sound really fucking stupid. thank you

polygamy is fun as long as it doesn't hurt nobody involved. isn't it simple?

(11-23-2011 12:38 PM)tenderman100 Wrote:  

But once you get past that, this understanding is highly liberating. This is evolutionary reality. We cannot escape it. This evolutionary reality doesn't give a fuck about "morals" or "social norms." This is nature, and nature could give a rat's ass about what you or I think about it.

hahah in that case i might as well find you, hunt you, eat you and shit you cause 'this is nature' and nature could give a rat's ass about what you think about it. RUN! : )

we often like to justify our behaviour by saying it's 'natural' but that actually doesn't really mean anything. WTF is natural really? don't get too hung up with this 'survival of the fittest' and 'it's a jungle' things boys. this is pure backwards rationalizing typical for women. use YOUR own head and think for yourselves

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[Anon-A-Moose]

Women are whores. That's just common sense.

My dad once gave me three pieces of advice. He said, "Don't let a woman touch your wallet. Don't let a woman do what you can do yourself. And don't ever, ever, trust a woman." It's rough, but it's advice that has never led me astray.

I don't believe any woman will not rationalize she can cheat. Their brains just make believe whatever they do is okay, and white knight sympathy shit reaffirms it. You just can't trust them.

[afronoob]

(11-22-2011 10:31 PM)gringoed Wrote:  

Most guys think they're good in bed, but in reality very few are. This is what I've realized talking to different women that love sex.

Women have learned to compliment men's sex abilities because nothing correlates more than the size of his ego and the size of his erection, unfortunately that means many guys dont have the motivation to improve.

I blame our culture for making it taboo for most people to fulfill their true sexual desires and try stuff that many consider "creepy" "disgusting" "weird" "abusive" etc etc.

Very very true! The vast majority,maybe 80% of guys are just average but that's not the reason for hoes stepping out. Its just a justification,a rationlisation dreamed up by their skullspace software. You could have the inches of Mandingo and the stamina of a horse and the bitch would be on Oprah talking of how she wants a 'gentler man.'

[TheAntiWhiteKnight138]

(11-24-2011 03:42 AM)afronoob Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 10:31 PM)gringoed Wrote:  

Most guys think they're good in bed, but in reality very few are. This is what I've realized talking to different women that love sex.

Women have learned to compliment men's sex abilities because nothing correlates more than the size of his ego and the size of his erection, unfortunately that means many guys dont have the motivation to improve.

I blame our culture for making it taboo for most people to fulfill their true sexual desires and try stuff that many consider "creepy" "disgusting" "weird" "abusive" etc etc.

Very very true! The vast majority,maybe 80% of guys are just average but that's not the reason for hoes stepping out. Its just a justification,a rationlisation dreamed up by their skullspace software. You could have the inches of Mandingo and the stamina of a horse and the bitch would be on Oprah talking of how she wants a 'gentler man.'

Currently slow clapping............SOOOO true my friend

[King Solomon]

men must understand that at some point, these thoughts will almost certainly cross every girl's mind who has been in an LTR for a while. Including his girl.

As long as you get that, you can operate accordingly. You can still "love" these chicks, or whatever you like... and it will sting when they are gone... but that's what's coming.

What we must know is that these women are doing us a favor, and often doing what we lack the courage to do, which is to end it after the passion's run out. Don't hate them for being scandalous bitches... appreciate them for it.

[Parlay44]

(11-22-2011 06:11 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

Yep...but if the situation were reversed, and a man complained about similar issues in his marriage and used them to justify cheating, they wouldn't want to hear it. They'd say cheating is always wrong. Men are pigs. Of course, the belief is that men ONLY cheat because they can and want to, while women are PUSHED to cheat because of neglect. I believe that folks have a fundamental right to happiness. If your man isn't making you happy in certain areas, go get it somewhere else. But don't begrudge a man the same latitude to get his own needs met if you don't want the job.

Me and one of my boys were talking about this this weekend. If a man is unhappy, he'll generally do what he has to to keep his family together. He'll carry the weight of his unhappiness. Maybe he'll cheat, but he'll keep going home to his wife, even though he really can't stand her. If a woman is unhappy, she'll just nuke the whole thing. If she's unhappy, EVERYONE around her has to feel her pain. If her renewed happiness comes at the price of everyone else's unhappiness, FUCK 'EM.

Women tend to find validation in mutual shared pain. It's an empathy thing. They the pity party.
If everyone feels the same way then she must be right!! It's the reason they tell half-truths. To get you
to side with them. Even if they're not right they need your sympathy in order to feel right.

I had one girl that had it out for me for a while. I was banging her best friend. She started talking shit to a bunch of different people
in my social circle and of course her crap eventually landed on my ears. Total passive-aggressive behavior. I knew what she was doing right
away. She wanted to turn everyone against me and push me out of my social circle. So I turned it around on her. Anyone that spoke to me
about her got an earful from me about how nice of a person she is and how pretty I thought she was and how sometimes we just "butt heads".
When you put people in a position to choose between two mutual friends they'll always choose the nicer more reasonable one. She damn near
had a nervous breakdown when everyone started turning on her and defending me. That's how you deal with women like that.
Social pressure.

[46.]

(04-04-2012 10:00 AM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

When you put people in a position to choose between two mutual friends they'll always choose the nicer more reasonable one. She damn near
had a nervous breakdown when everyone started turning on her and defending me. That's how you deal with women like that.
Social pressure.

I like this. Reverse vice. Good work.

[Cyrus]

(11-22-2011 07:04 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

No...I think you have it right. Women are always on the lookout for the upgrade, for a better deal. When they find a better deal they'll look for a justification to leave the current for the next.

But that's the inherent *problem* in all of this. Do you really think that backwards-rationalizing (OMGGGGG i was sooooo drunk last nitee lololol) women really know a true upgrade when its there?

No.

Women upgrade, they "side"grade, and they sure as hell downgrade. I think that's a problem for guys who are high value, you could be super hot in many dimensions (wealthy, attractive, athletic, etc) yet the girl cheats on you for the local DJ who was just alpha of the night.

Thats a huge problem I think in some former game communities I posted in. They say "upgrade yourself" so you ARE the upgrade, but really upgrading yourself only just increases the likelihood of inciting tingles. Any night of the week she's out without you she can be getting these from anyone else, lol.

(11-23-2011 05:04 AM)MMM Wrote:  

When a woman cheats, it's her husband's fault for not fulfilling some ill defined spiritual need or want. Society applauds. When a man cheats, he's a dog.

I agree with this.

What do you guys think about your own plates? Say you have 3-4 girls in your rotation, would you be offended if one of your favorite plates started acting flaky?

About a month ago, I started seeing this cute 7HB who really piques my interest. Our sex is awesome. At one point, we really liked each other. But I'm a follower of plate theory, so I've been seeing 2 girls on the side. Recently 7HB has been acting flaky and just seems to not have any sexual interest anymore. Why am I so offended, when I'm seeing other girls? And I'm always talking to girls on campus, even though I'm not very attracted to them. It feels pathetic, really.

[Parlay44]

(04-04-2012 01:13 PM)Cyrus Wrote:  

Women upgrade, they "side"grade, and they sure as hell downgrade. I think that's a problem for guys who are high value, you could be super hot in many dimensions (wealthy, attractive, athletic, etc) yet the girl cheats on you for the local DJ who was just alpha of the night.

There's a saying I've read that goes ...

Women live in the present. Men live in the past and the future.

So I think your "alpha of the night" concept is valid. That's why it's so easy to steal or at least sleep with women with boyfriends.
It's also the reason men get so over-protective, jealous and territorial with their women. We all know this subconsciously.

[xmlenigma]

(04-04-2012 10:00 AM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 06:11 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

Yep...but if the situation were reversed, and a man complained about similar issues in his marriage and used them to justify cheating, they wouldn't want to hear it. They'd say cheating is always wrong. Men are pigs. Of course, the belief is that men ONLY cheat because they can and want to, while women are PUSHED to cheat because of neglect. I believe that folks have a fundamental right to happiness. If your man isn't making you happy in certain areas, go get it somewhere else. But don't begrudge a man the same latitude to get his own needs met if you don't want the job.

Me and one of my boys were talking about this this weekend. If a man is unhappy, he'll generally do what he has to to keep his family together. He'll carry the weight of his unhappiness. Maybe he'll cheat, but he'll keep going home to his wife, even though he really can't stand her. If a woman is unhappy, she'll just nuke the whole thing. If she's unhappy, EVERYONE around her has to feel her pain. If her renewed happiness comes at the price of everyone else's unhappiness, FUCK 'EM.

Women tend to find validation in mutual shared pain. It's an empathy thing. They the pity party.
If everyone feels the same way then she must be right!! It's the reason they tell half-truths. To get you
to side with them. Even if they're not right they need your sympathy in order to feel right.

I had one girl that had it out for me for a while. I was banging her best friend. She started talking shit to a bunch of different people
in my social circle and of course her crap eventually landed on my ears. Total passive-aggressive behavior. I knew what she was doing right
away. She wanted to turn everyone against me and push me out of my social circle. So I turned it around on her. Anyone that spoke to me
about her got an earful from me about how nice of a person she is and how pretty I thought she was and how sometimes we just "butt heads".
When you put people in a position to choose between two mutual friends they'll always choose the nicer more reasonable one. She damn near
had a nervous breakdown when everyone started turning on her and defending me. That's how you deal with women like that.
Social pressure.

Killing them with your Kindness by taking the higher ground.
+ True on that "Man vs woman" cheating, whys & why nots..

(04-04-2012 01:18 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

(04-04-2012 01:13 PM)Cyrus Wrote:  

Women upgrade, they "side"grade, and they sure as hell downgrade. I think that's a problem for guys who are high value, you could be super hot in many dimensions (wealthy, attractive, athletic, etc) yet the girl cheats on you for the local DJ who was just alpha of the night.

There's a saying I've read that goes ...

Women live in the present. Men live in the past and the future.

So I think your "alpha of the night" concept is valid. That's why it's so easy to steal or at least sleep with women with boyfriends.
It's also the reason men get so over-protective, jealous and territorial with their women. We all know this subconsciously.

Agree on the PRESENT moment thing. But more critically, they are so FEELING/ EMOTION driven that they would justify anything from that angle... Upgrade/ Downgrade/ Side grade.. NO/ LOW GRADE. Seen that happen. Forget about Alpha of the night!.. Even beta of the month will do as long as it FILLS that FEELINGS & COMPLAIN void of theirs.

And its as if most of them are born with or have grown up EMOTIONALLY damaged and keep looking for some kind of SATISFACTION & HAPPINESS from something (bags/ shoes/shopping) or someone (guy/guys/ orbitors) outside. Their whole world lacks SELF-VALIDATION and is based on "filling" their Self-VOID with Feelings they WANT from the outside (person, object, situation). And pretty much no person, object, situation is or can ever remain perfect.. and as someone pointed out, they will COMPLAIN ALWAYS! about whatever they get.. So, to be happy again, even if its overall a bad purchase, they are emotionally compelled to buy the new shoes (new guy)

[xsplat]

(11-23-2011 12:38 PM)tenderman100 Wrote:  

(11-23-2011 07:35 AM)XXL Wrote:  

it's simpel.. a woman has integrity and character or she does not

bad sex, lack of chemistry etc is all circumstantial and totally irrelevant. all that matters is that some people are honest and some are dishonest. some are fair and some are unfair. some are cheaters and some are not cheaters.

cheaters are cheaters no matter if they date a cool person or some lame ass, if the sex is good or bad. they just don't care so they fuck around. their cheating has nothing to do with that other person and everything to do with their own personal lack of integrity and character. therefore the big lesson about is that cheating has more to do with the person cheating than it has to do with the victim.

and some people just don't do it. it's a matter of their personal values, their sense of morality, character, integrity. that's the real eason.

therefore, the best way is to give other person a lot of space and see how she/he will use that space. give the person long enough rope and see if he hangs himself. this is the only way to determine how this person really is. but 99% people will not do that cause they paranoid that the truth will come out so they prefer to live in fear while controling other person tight enough to eliminate any opportunities. it's crazy. fucking fools.

This makes the assumption that monogamy is the "high character" standard.

Maybe it is, or maybe it isn't, but it isn't the way the human brain is wired.

Men are by nature polygamous: they are evolutionarily wired to want strange, especially young nubile strange with firm skin, firm tits, and a firm ass. These women are "ripe." The reason is obvious: spread your seed and your genes as wide as you can.

Women by nature are hypergamous. They want a guy who can provide for their kids, the guy with resources, because raising kids is a long term project. But at the same time they are compelled to find the hottest, most intriguing guy who creates the crazy 'gina tingle. The guy who gets them wet the minute they see him...the guy where just the THOUGHT of his cock gets their mouth watering. Often these two "types" are NOT the same person.

This is the reality. And what you see on this board are men who have accepted, indeed embraced, that polygamy IS what we are meant to do.

And on the women's boards, the iVillage and Secret Society, you see women putting on full display the hypergamy hampster that they simply cannot control, understand, and which drives them to distraction.

What is astonishing to me is that those on this board understand this fundamental evolutionary prerogative...and that these women are fucking clueless. They are trapped in the hurricane of their emotions.

The contrast is stark.

On another thread, when a variation on this theme came up, one poster lamented about this state of affairs. It is on one level worth lamenting about -- if you understand this, you have indeed stared into the abyss.

But once you get past that, this understanding is highly liberating. This is evolutionary reality. We cannot escape it. This evolutionary reality doesn't give a fuck about "morals" or "social norms." This is nature, and nature could give a rat's ass about what you or I think about it.

Exactly. Which is why I'm surprised to see all these men have fainting spells over expected behavior.

Cheating is bad and women shouldn't do it and women are amoral? Puhlease! Women only say cheating is bad as a ploy to get you to not cheat. The same for men. Both want to do it, and it's not bad for the individual who does it. It's only bad for the person who was negatively affected. And if they don't find out, it's not bad. Cheating is what mother nature wants us to do, and when we do her bidding, we are being good. Of course women are hypocritical about this; that is also mother natures gambit to secure resources for her and her children. It's not about "morals" or logic or being fair or truth. It's about saying and doing anything at all that will give her and her children advantage. That is what women do. Say it 1000 times or until you get over the frustration that women don't have testicles.

Guys who can't get over the fact that girls are girls have handled the red pill but not swallowed it.

What, you expect them to somehow act differently? You are shocked, shocked?!

This is why I counsel men to no longer rely on social controls, such as a shared group morality, to control womens behaviors. Now that women are less financially and socially reliant on men, today's man must maintain a relationship through attraction and through mate guarding. Watch her carefully, forbid many behaviors, and keep her attracted. Don't expect voluntary mate guarding from her - she's a wild animal.

Any man who is shocked shocked shocked that his woman is a wild animal needs some edumacating.