[KingofScotland]

Personally I think you'ld be better off going abroad and see who you can meet. Would be much better than paying for a mail order bride.

[Ami5]

(11-18-2011 11:08 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

Hey fellas, anybody have any experience with Interpals.net?


Mixx

Mixx I just checked out that website. I thought it was dicey at first, but now I think it is another card for pipelining girls! Looks legit and good.

[Marco]

(11-18-2011 04:09 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Dude, 37 is young for this no? I didn't even consider anything like this until I was at home with a two year old by myself at 41. Take some trips and find what culture you like before making and decisions like this and talk to a immigration Att.

If you do decide to do this screw the agencies. Go hunt her down yourself.

I guess it is personal, each one feels he needs a serious relationship in different age.
And I do not see it as a "desperate" move, on the contrary, the average Ukraine girl is higher standard by looks and character than average western girl. To settle for a 6-7 by look and 6 or less by character is to compromise.
I fully understand URM and consider the same myself even though I'm younger.
Getting a quality pussy at home that I can bang couple of times in day with no need to game, travel and spend loads of time searching instead of doing useful things it is better at this point of my life, and this is before talking about the wish for family and kids.

As most wrote, the best thing would be to go there for a long period and meet actual girls and not via the agencies.
For my travel I used mostly:

love.mail.ru (mamaba ru is same site) - have many legit girls but some pros. also, the pros will ask for cash in 1st reply... girls there strictly write if they wish a sponsor.

vk.com - the local Facebook, seems all legit, it is free and you can do great searches (unlike FB), for example if you are in a small city you can search by this city and around English speaking girls in specific age range and then try your luck with them. Those legit girls usually will be harder to get a date with, and only after some time will be interested to meet but then again those are exactly the more quality girls.

For the actual marriage and the risk she will leave once she discovers better options in US and take half of your money I would suggest:
Get a good attorney on this matter and sign her up on divorce agreement of some sort (I'm not the expert)
If she will leave after few years, you have to take that risk. You can always go back to Ukraine and get another one yourself.

[K-man]

(11-19-2011 05:59 AM)genjuro Wrote:  

Of course you'll lose some money, but overwall the cost won't be that high since living is cheap there.

The biggest money loss would be the lost money from your job, because you will likely have to quit your job in order to make such a move. And in an economy like this, how likely is it to quickly find a great new job once you get back?
Also, how attractive will this sound to your future wife: "I just quit my job and moved here so I could look for a wife full-time"?

I realize there are sabbaticals and that one could go for three months only and get some girl to marry him, but to do this properly you have to screen a lot of girls and that takes time. The last thing you want is to be left with the life-long feeling that you could have done better but for the lack of time, because you only had a couple of months off from work.

[playa_with_a_passport]

(11-18-2011 04:09 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Dude, 37 is young for this no? I didn't even consider anything like this until I was at home with a two year old by myself at 41. Take some trips and find what culture you like before making and decisions like this and talk to a immigration Att.

If you do decide to do this screw the agencies. Go hunt her down yourself.

I agree wholeheartedly, but even this isn't fool proof. @ URM, I'll try to dissuade you from going down that path to hell as much as I can but Do You Son!!

I have plenty of Latin friends/acquaintances who went back to their countries of origin(Dominicans,Mexicans, Salvadorans,Colombians,) to import wives because they believed(Dead Wrong) women from back home were more "decente"(chaste). However, faster than you can say "Sabado Gigante" the chick would flip the switch after she gets her permanent Green Card 2 years post marriage. And just so you know, getting them pregnant upon arrival wont prevent them from bouncing, on the contrary you doing it them a favor because they don't even have to work now and she'll have plenty of cash left to send to her "Primo" back home. Now, that's what I call "passive Income stream"

Keep in mind that they married girls who share the same nationality, language and culture. Some of them even married girls from the same Barrio who their moms vouched for and they still failed. The failure rate is much much worse for Gringos who marry these lizards and have absolutely no clue about their bride's language, culture, past, etc.

I don't know anything about Eastern Europe but I know Latin America
quiet well. Well to do girls just don't go to marriage agencies let alone marry Gringos to immigrate to the US. Thus, you only going to have access to poor to lower middle class brides. Therefore, there's a really strong possibility that you are going to end up with a Ex prostitute who cleaned up her act. If she's young(18-27), she's going to leave you period. The only way I can see these type of marriages working is if you bring over a chick with a kid and she's older(30+). She'll put up with you not because she "Loves" you but because you are the means to providing a better life for her kid.

To make matters worse when you bring your mail order bride home you have to sign an affidavit that you are going to support her for 10 years or until she becomes a citizen regardless whether you remain married or not. So technically you are voluntarily signing up for de facto alimony. Plus, if the marriage doesn't work from the start she can use the Violence Against Women Act to make some false accusation against you and she'll get her Green Card anyways without you even filing for her. Who do you think they going to believe? You? or some weeping Pretty Young Thing with torn panties?


So URM if you still insist on marrying and bringing one of these lizards over to the land of milk and honey and No Fault Divorce do yourself a favor and find out if Urban Renaissance Man its still available over at immigration Fraud Victims board http://immigrationfraudvictims.freeforum...ud-f2.html because you are going to need it. Don't say I didn't tell you so a few years from now.

[worldwidetraveler]

(11-21-2011 04:16 PM)playa_with_a_passport Wrote:  

Plus, if the marriage doesn't work from the start she can use the Violence Against Women Act to make some false accusation against you and she'll get her Green Card anyways without you even filing for her. Who do you think they going to believe? You? or some weeping Pretty Young Thing with torn panties?

This is a lot more common then people realize. Hell, there is a Russian woman forum where they walk women through the process. If she goes this route, you will not only have to deal with divorce but also legal problems. Part of their process is getting you arrested so they can use that as proof for their green card.

I am not saying it will happen, but picking the wrong woman can lead to a lot of problems.

[Celtic]

I think we discussed this before. A foreign woman might play you for a green card and divorce, but an American girl can divorce just as easily. The statistics are that American + Foreigner marriage is more likely to survive than an American + American marriage: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mail_order_bride

I wonder how many of these failure cases are due to a guy going to a foreign country and marrying a woman on one trip. I think if you're serious, plan on at least a couple years of dating with frequent trips to her country.

Another idea: use a keylogger to get into her e-mail account. That way you'll see if she is e-mailing her "primo" on the side.

[Urban Renaissance Man]

(11-22-2011 12:51 AM)Celtic Wrote:  

I think we discussed this before. A foreign woman might play you for a green card and divorce, but an American girl can divorce just as easily. The statistics are that American + Foreigner marriage is more likely to survive than an American + American marriage: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mail_order_bride

I wonder how many of these failure cases are due to a guy going to a foreign country and marrying a woman on one trip. I think if you're serious, plan on at least a couple years of dating with frequent trips to her country.

Another idea: use a keylogger to get into her e-mail account. That way you'll see if she is e-mailing her "primo" on the side.

A keylogger? What the heck is that? That would be nice to have the ability to double check her honesty. Perhaps you can shed some more light on that.
As far as the mail order bride idea in general, I still think it's worth investigating. I was hoping that some of the guys on here knew about more reputable sites than has been discussed. Also, as in all other situations, even with the girls you meet at these agencies, a modicum of 'game', and realism is going to have to be utilized to screen out the absolute users and gold diggers. Granted, ALL of these girls are looking for a better life and hoping you'll provide that. I don't mind a girl choosing me because ONE her reasons is that I can provide for her. I just don't want that to be the only reason. Your ' game trained' intuition, along with a prolonged dating period hopefully will weed out most of the diggers.
I feel in all honesty, only a few guys on Roosh are true 'players for life.' Most of us eventually want to be married, and we've already decided that American women aren't the way to go. Also, most of us do not and never will have the ability to leave our jobs for 6 months and go scout out the Ukraine in search of a wife. So, in effect we're left with sites like facebook and dating agencies. Trust me, I consider a dating site almost like roadkill. I prefer to hunt my prey alive, like a lion and not feed off of carrion like heyna! However, to be honest, I think internet dating in general is a bit like taking the easy route. I just know that what I require is a bit more than what I can realistically achieve here in the States. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a 60 year old man, trying to date a 23 year old. I do not think the disparity between my age and looks is going to be so dramatic, that there's a near 100% chance she's going to leave me as soon as she gets her green card. I do feel however that marrying a non American gives me a edge, in that I'm at least seen in the light that women used to see men in America. (Protector, provider, leader) rather than (f*ck buddy, makes me horny when I look at him, friends high five me) However, while I ultimately don't have a preference of which race my wife is, I'm very partial on how pretty she will be. (Example of Black girl)    
(Example of a White girl)   
(Example of an Hispanic girl)    

Now understand, I will not settle for anything less than beauty of this magnitude, regardless of the race. However, if you can tell where in America a 5'5 black man, making only $70,000-$80,000 a year, can attain this level of beauty, I'll gladly go there. Otherwise, I might have to pack my warm gloves, winter coat, and brave the Siberian winter! lol.

[Urban Renaissance Man]

(11-21-2011 04:21 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

(11-21-2011 04:16 PM)playa_with_a_passport Wrote:  

Plus, if the marriage doesn't work from the start she can use the Violence Against Women Act to make some false accusation against you and she'll get her Green Card anyways without you even filing for her. Who do you think they going to believe? You? or some weeping Pretty Young Thing with torn panties?

This is a lot more common then people realize. Hell, there is a Russian woman forum where they walk women through the process. If she goes this route, you will not only have to deal with divorce but also legal problems. Part of their process is getting you arrested so they can use that as proof for their green card.

I am not saying it will happen, but picking the wrong woman can lead to a lot of problems.

Its so hard to believe that America would set up a system that is so against men of their own country! These women, (Agency women) even if they marry a local cop, are already being provided a lifestyle that they would have little chance of achieving in Mother Russia! Not to mention the possibility of American citizenship as well as education and career possibilities never before available to them! That we should have to take care of them an additional TEN YEARS is amazing!! The only good thing I can think of about China overtaking us as the new world power is that maybe once it happens, American won't feel the need to crap on their own citizens in an effort to provide a leg up for others!

[Menace]

You need to have legal strategies in place before the woman even sets foot in your place. This includes doing counterintelligence on what she can and cannot do, the kinds of evidence she needs to make claims, how to impeach such evidence, an attorney on retainer, a litigation fund, conflicting out other attorneys, pre-drafted restraining orders, etc. Needless to say you always need separate bank accounts.

Here is the VAWA site for what playa_with_a_passport is talking about: http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/m...2ca60aRCRD

Here's a law firm that specializes in getting abused spouses their green card using this "very generous" law: http://www.troylaw.net/petition-under-th...women-act/

Simply amazing. BTW VAWA is up for re-authorization this year.

[Urban Renaissance Man]

(11-22-2011 02:34 PM)Menace Wrote:  

You need to have legal strategies in place before the woman even sets foot in your place. This includes doing counterintelligence on what she can and cannot do, the kinds of evidence she needs to make claims, how to impeach such evidence, an attorney on retainer, a litigation fund, conflicting out other attorneys, pre-drafted restraining orders, etc. Needless to say you always need separate bank accounts.

Here is the VAWA site for what playa_with_a_passport is talking about: http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/m...2ca60aRCRD

Here's a law firm that specializes in getting abused spouses their green card using this "very generous" law: http://www.troylaw.net/petition-under-th...women-act/

Simply amazing. BTW VAWA is up for re-authorization this year.

Are there any law offices, websites that assist the American man???

[MiXX]

(11-21-2011 04:16 PM)playa_with_a_passport Wrote:  

However, faster than you can say "Sabado Gigante" the chick would flip the switch after she gets her permanent Green Card 2 years post marriage.

I once made a girl cry because I told her this was the most stupid, and ignorant show for Latin people ever made....AND I'M LATIN!!

I never would think of bringing a girl "from back home" to US. I will go live over there instead, where she will have to keep me happy so I don't fuck her friends, sister, aunts, cousins and corner store clerk girl, and even then...she's still in trouble.


Mixx

[Spartan]

(11-22-2011 02:53 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

(11-21-2011 04:16 PM)playa_with_a_passport Wrote:  

However, faster than you can say "Sabado Gigante" the chick would flip the switch after she gets her permanent Green Card 2 years post marriage.

I once made a girl cry because I told her this was the most stupid, and ignorant show for Latin people ever made....AND I'M LATIN!!

I never would think of bringing a girl "from back home" to US. I will go live over there instead, where she will have to keep me happy so I don't fuck her friends, sister, aunts, cousins and corner store clerk girl, and even then...she's still in trouble.


Mixx

Right on. Thats why the closest I'll bring her to "the West" is Poland. And even then, I'll probably move us to Russia/Ukraine after med school.

[MiXX]

(11-22-2011 12:51 AM)Celtic Wrote:  

Another idea: use a keylogger to get into her e-mail account. That way you'll see if she is e-mailing her "primo" on the side.

I have noticed one girl calls her "Primo" a lot. Is primo supposed to a secret lover? I don't care really, I just fucked her once when I was in Colombia, but noticed her unusual connection to her primo (he lives in America), and wondered of course if her Primo is beating that ass like it owed him money whenever he is in town....she denided it and just said they are very close...lol.

Break this "primo" scam up for us.

Mixx

[Pusscrook]

(11-18-2011 11:53 AM)Urban Renaissance Man Wrote:  

Ok, I know this has probably already been discussed a million times so I apologize in advance, but I personally haven't gotten the info.
I have just about had it with American women. Since I've been on this site, I've had 2 girlfriends, along with about 7 friends with benefits. All have either been unfilfilling at best and dismal failures at worse. I do not blame the girls entirely, as it takes two to tango, but there's always the underlying current of disrespect or unappreciation that's present in just about every situation. Also, I find that I ready to settle down. So, my question is this... I know that there are many websites out here that offer foreign bride meeting/services. Do any of you guys actually know of sites that aren't just money pits, and actually produce good results? Is it quite necessary to go to the most expensive one, or are there other lesser cost options, that are still effective. I'm interested in either Latina,(Colombian, Mexican, Venezuela) or East European ladies. Yes, I know the chances of using me just for a green card are high and it might only last 3-5 years, but hell, that's about as long as my relationships usually last anyway. At least I'll have 3-5 years in realtive peace, with a beauty.

Damn, I wish there was a way to just go to Iceland, Sweden or Denmark, and bring one of those ladies back! lol. However, I figure they are less likely to want to more abroad for marriage, seeing that their standard of living is as high as ours or higher.

Quick run down for you.....


It's always good to know how Foreign marriage agencies conduct business for the sole purpose of profit.

Demographic/target market: Male, primarily Caucasian, 35-55 ,divorced, depressed.

The idea is that you have convinced yourself that after dating the cess pool of western women, a foreign whore will ease your pain and return you to traditional happiness. None of these agencies keep any accurate records on their success rate , and if they told you otherwise, they are lying. Think of it this way, who calls the agency back and says I am getting a divorce. Usually you're in a deep dark fucking hole shitting in your socks, and the last person you want to talk to , is the agency.

Most agencies are not IMBRA compliant. You should make sure of this before you start sending money, or spending money.

Most agencies, do not pre-screen their list of whores, and they also cannot guarantee you that the whore is telling the truth about her past, present, or any future plans she may have.

How agencies make money: Not many males are able to travel long distances to court several whores and make a decision all in one trip. Hence, most agencies use the correspondence route to hammer away at your success rate. You pay a fee to select a few girls to talk to via phone, or email. You do the math on how many men might bite at that option. This is not a good option for you and a good agency will tell you that.

Option two, is the tour package: you pay for 7-10 days with a translator and a number of girls that may want to meet you. The high end agencies, will also want you to stay on the property. Why should they allow you to give that money to a hotel, when it's more profitable just if you stay right here in our suite, for a nominal price of course.

If you want one- on- one match making, prepare to pry your ass open and pay heavily.

Option three: The sleazy agencies do these high volume tour packages. This is the bottom of the barrel .A foreign affair/love me.com is the largest promoter of large volume tours on line. This is where you have an enormous amount of scamming whores to be present as well. You will be in a room with 500-1000 wretched bags and 150 balding , beer belly fucks, at a function under some ragged tent. Skip it.

If your choice is the Latin American sites(this is wise), as opposed to the scamming russian sites, you will have a better rate when it comes to finding sincere women who want to marry.

Try this one, latin-wife .com, located in Barranquilla. The guy who runs the operation is an American(Jamie) and has a ton of men who are willing to vouch for him. Call him and grill him about the business, and tell him your intentions. You will get a feel for how it/he works. Its an all in one place, handling all legal paperwork, lodging, booking , if you so desire. He is very stern with the girls, and has no problem staring you in the right direction if a girl has been red flagged.
I wouldn't trust anything in Medellin, Cali, Bogota, Cartagena, Dominican Republic, based on the volume of girls that are trained to suck you clean. You will quickly learn that the women in Barranquilla, are hot, but also more "wife" material. No other latin American country really caters to the foreign marriage agency product more so than Colombia. I'm not sure if you like Asian pussy, but I didn't see you mention that. Don't fuck with any of the websites promoting Russian or Eastern European pussy for marriage. This is a disaster waiting to happen, plus it's too fucking far and too much money. There is more, but this should give you a start .

[Urban Renaissance Man]

(11-22-2011 03:33 PM)Pusscrook Wrote:  

(11-18-2011 11:53 AM)Urban Renaissance Man Wrote:  

Ok, I know this has probably already been discussed a million times so I apologize in advance, but I personally haven't gotten the info.
I have just about had it with American women. Since I've been on this site, I've had 2 girlfriends, along with about 7 friends with benefits. All have either been unfilfilling at best and dismal failures at worse. I do not blame the girls entirely, as it takes two to tango, but there's always the underlying current of disrespect or unappreciation that's present in just about every situation. Also, I find that I ready to settle down. So, my question is this... I know that there are many websites out here that offer foreign bride meeting/services. Do any of you guys actually know of sites that aren't just money pits, and actually produce good results? Is it quite necessary to go to the most expensive one, or are there other lesser cost options, that are still effective. I'm interested in either Latina,(Colombian, Mexican, Venezuela) or East European ladies. Yes, I know the chances of using me just for a green card are high and it might only last 3-5 years, but hell, that's about as long as my relationships usually last anyway. At least I'll have 3-5 years in realtive peace, with a beauty.

Damn, I wish there was a way to just go to Iceland, Sweden or Denmark, and bring one of those ladies back! lol. However, I figure they are less likely to want to more abroad for marriage, seeing that their standard of living is as high as ours or higher.

Quick run down for you.....


It's always good to know how Foreign marriage agencies conduct business for the sole purpose of profit.

Demographic/target market: Male, primarily Caucasian, 35-55 ,divorced, depressed.

The idea is that you have convinced yourself that after dating the cess pool of western women, a foreign whore will ease your pain and return you to traditional happiness. None of these agencies keep any accurate records on their success rate , and if they told you otherwise, they are lying. Think of it this way, who calls the agency back and says I am getting a divorce. Usually you're in a deep dark fucking hole shitting in your socks, and the last person you want to talk to , is the agency.

Most agencies are not IMBRA compliant. You should make sure of this before you start sending money, or spending money.

Most agencies, do not pre-screen their list of whores, and they also cannot guarantee you that the whore is telling the truth about her past, present, or any future plans she may have.

How agencies make money: Not many males are able to travel long distances to court several whores and make a decision all in one trip. Hence, most agencies use the correspondence route to hammer away at your success rate. You pay a fee to select a few girls to talk to via phone, or email. You do the math on how many men might bite at that option. This is not a good option for you and a good agency will tell you that.

Option two, is the tour package: you pay for 7-10 days with a translator and a number of girls that may want to meet you. The high end agencies, will also want you to stay on the property. Why should they allow you to give that money to a hotel, when it's more profitable just if you stay right here in our suite, for a nominal price of course.

If you want one- on- one match making, prepare to pry your ass open and pay heavily.

Option three: The sleazy agencies do these high volume tour packages. This is the bottom of the barrel .A foreign affair/love me.com is the largest promoter of large volume tours on line. This is where you have an enormous amount of scamming whores to be present as well. You will be in a room with 500-1000 wretched bags and 150 balding , beer belly fucks, at a function under some ragged tent. Skip it.

If your choice is the Latin American sites(this is wise), as opposed to the scamming russian sites, you will have a better rate when it comes to finding sincere women who want to marry.

Try this one, latin-wife .com, located in Barranquilla. The guy who runs the operation is an American(Jamie) and has a ton of men who are willing to vouch for him. Call him and grill him about the business, and tell him your intentions. You will get a feel for how it/he works. Its an all in one place, handling all legal paperwork, lodging, booking , if you so desire. He is very stern with the girls, and has no problem staring you in the right direction if a girl has been red flagged.
I wouldn't trust anything in Medellin, Cali, Bogota, Cartagena, Dominican Republic, based on the volume of girls that are trained to suck you clean. You will quickly learn that the women in Barranquilla, are hot, but also more "wife" material. No other latin American country really caters to the foreign marriage agency product more so than Colombia. I'm not sure if you like Asian pussy, but I didn't see you mention that. Don't fuck with any of the websites promoting Russian or Eastern European pussy for marriage. This is a disaster waiting to happen, plus it's too fucking far and too much money. There is more, but this should give you a start .

Damn! That's good and bad news! I LOVE the way East European women look! Don't get me wrong, coming home to a hot Colombian woman is nothing to sneeze at, but I find Latinas' to be little better than American women, especially when they're super cute! (Of course, I'm dealing mostly with American latinas.) I just feel that a Latina will have so many connections here in the US and with so much of California society catering to the Hispanic population, Latinas are in a far greater position to bleed an American guy dry! Plus, there's just nothing hotter than an extremely hot blonde! I'm just sayin'! Anyway, there has to be someone from the EU who has an agency similar in professionalism to the one you described in Colombia. I just need to find it. lol

[Pusscrook]

(11-22-2011 04:39 PM)Urban Renaissance Man Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 03:33 PM)Pusscrook Wrote:  

(11-18-2011 11:53 AM)Urban Renaissance Man Wrote:  

Ok, I know this has probably already been discussed a million times so I apologize in advance, but I personally haven't gotten the info.
I have just about had it with American women. Since I've been on this site, I've had 2 girlfriends, along with about 7 friends with benefits. All have either been unfilfilling at best and dismal failures at worse. I do not blame the girls entirely, as it takes two to tango, but there's always the underlying current of disrespect or unappreciation that's present in just about every situation. Also, I find that I ready to settle down. So, my question is this... I know that there are many websites out here that offer foreign bride meeting/services. Do any of you guys actually know of sites that aren't just money pits, and actually produce good results? Is it quite necessary to go to the most expensive one, or are there other lesser cost options, that are still effective. I'm interested in either Latina,(Colombian, Mexican, Venezuela) or East European ladies. Yes, I know the chances of using me just for a green card are high and it might only last 3-5 years, but hell, that's about as long as my relationships usually last anyway. At least I'll have 3-5 years in realtive peace, with a beauty.

Damn, I wish there was a way to just go to Iceland, Sweden or Denmark, and bring one of those ladies back! lol. However, I figure they are less likely to want to more abroad for marriage, seeing that their standard of living is as high as ours or higher.

Quick run down for you.....


It's always good to know how Foreign marriage agencies conduct business for the sole purpose of profit.

Demographic/target market: Male, primarily Caucasian, 35-55 ,divorced, depressed.

The idea is that you have convinced yourself that after dating the cess pool of western women, a foreign whore will ease your pain and return you to traditional happiness. None of these agencies keep any accurate records on their success rate , and if they told you otherwise, they are lying. Think of it this way, who calls the agency back and says I am getting a divorce. Usually you're in a deep dark fucking hole shitting in your socks, and the last person you want to talk to , is the agency.

Most agencies are not IMBRA compliant. You should make sure of this before you start sending money, or spending money.

Most agencies, do not pre-screen their list of whores, and they also cannot guarantee you that the whore is telling the truth about her past, present, or any future plans she may have.

How agencies make money: Not many males are able to travel long distances to court several whores and make a decision all in one trip. Hence, most agencies use the correspondence route to hammer away at your success rate. You pay a fee to select a few girls to talk to via phone, or email. You do the math on how many men might bite at that option. This is not a good option for you and a good agency will tell you that.

Option two, is the tour package: you pay for 7-10 days with a translator and a number of girls that may want to meet you. The high end agencies, will also want you to stay on the property. Why should they allow you to give that money to a hotel, when it's more profitable just if you stay right here in our suite, for a nominal price of course.

If you want one- on- one match making, prepare to pry your ass open and pay heavily.

Option three: The sleazy agencies do these high volume tour packages. This is the bottom of the barrel .A foreign affair/love me.com is the largest promoter of large volume tours on line. This is where you have an enormous amount of scamming whores to be present as well. You will be in a room with 500-1000 wretched bags and 150 balding , beer belly fucks, at a function under some ragged tent. Skip it.

If your choice is the Latin American sites(this is wise), as opposed to the scamming russian sites, you will have a better rate when it comes to finding sincere women who want to marry.

Try this one, latin-wife .com, located in Barranquilla. The guy who runs the operation is an American(Jamie) and has a ton of men who are willing to vouch for him. Call him and grill him about the business, and tell him your intentions. You will get a feel for how it/he works. Its an all in one place, handling all legal paperwork, lodging, booking , if you so desire. He is very stern with the girls, and has no problem staring you in the right direction if a girl has been red flagged.
I wouldn't trust anything in Medellin, Cali, Bogota, Cartagena, Dominican Republic, based on the volume of girls that are trained to suck you clean. You will quickly learn that the women in Barranquilla, are hot, but also more "wife" material. No other latin American country really caters to the foreign marriage agency product more so than Colombia. I'm not sure if you like Asian pussy, but I didn't see you mention that. Don't fuck with any of the websites promoting Russian or Eastern European pussy for marriage. This is a disaster waiting to happen, plus it's too fucking far and too much money. There is more, but this should give you a start .

Damn! That's good and bad news! I LOVE the way East European women look! Don't get me wrong, coming home to a hot Colombian woman is nothing to sneeze at, but I find Latinas' to be little better than American women, especially when they're super cute! (Of course, I'm dealing mostly with American latinas.) I just feel that a Latina will have so many connections here in the US and with so much of California society catering to the Hispanic population, Latinas are in a far greater position to bleed an American guy dry! Plus, there's just nothing hotter than an extremely hot blonde! I'm just sayin'! Anyway, there has to be someone from the EU who has an agency similar in professionalism to the one you described in Colombia. I just need to find it. lol

Urb, here's a good question for you, How much do you think you will spend, from the time you engage an agency in Eastern Europe /Russia , to the time, you bring your wife back to the states?

[Urban Renaissance Man]

(11-22-2011 04:46 PM)Pusscrook Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 04:39 PM)Urban Renaissance Man Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 03:33 PM)Pusscrook Wrote:  

(11-18-2011 11:53 AM)Urban Renaissance Man Wrote:  

Ok, I know this has probably already been discussed a million times so I apologize in advance, but I personally haven't gotten the info.
I have just about had it with American women. Since I've been on this site, I've had 2 girlfriends, along with about 7 friends with benefits. All have either been unfilfilling at best and dismal failures at worse. I do not blame the girls entirely, as it takes two to tango, but there's always the underlying current of disrespect or unappreciation that's present in just about every situation. Also, I find that I ready to settle down. So, my question is this... I know that there are many websites out here that offer foreign bride meeting/services. Do any of you guys actually know of sites that aren't just money pits, and actually produce good results? Is it quite necessary to go to the most expensive one, or are there other lesser cost options, that are still effective. I'm interested in either Latina,(Colombian, Mexican, Venezuela) or East European ladies. Yes, I know the chances of using me just for a green card are high and it might only last 3-5 years, but hell, that's about as long as my relationships usually last anyway. At least I'll have 3-5 years in realtive peace, with a beauty.

Damn, I wish there was a way to just go to Iceland, Sweden or Denmark, and bring one of those ladies back! lol. However, I figure they are less likely to want to more abroad for marriage, seeing that their standard of living is as high as ours or higher.

Quick run down for you.....


It's always good to know how Foreign marriage agencies conduct business for the sole purpose of profit.

Demographic/target market: Male, primarily Caucasian, 35-55 ,divorced, depressed.

The idea is that you have convinced yourself that after dating the cess pool of western women, a foreign whore will ease your pain and return you to traditional happiness. None of these agencies keep any accurate records on their success rate , and if they told you otherwise, they are lying. Think of it this way, who calls the agency back and says I am getting a divorce. Usually you're in a deep dark fucking hole shitting in your socks, and the last person you want to talk to , is the agency.

Most agencies are not IMBRA compliant. You should make sure of this before you start sending money, or spending money.

Most agencies, do not pre-screen their list of whores, and they also cannot guarantee you that the whore is telling the truth about her past, present, or any future plans she may have.

How agencies make money: Not many males are able to travel long distances to court several whores and make a decision all in one trip. Hence, most agencies use the correspondence route to hammer away at your success rate. You pay a fee to select a few girls to talk to via phone, or email. You do the math on how many men might bite at that option. This is not a good option for you and a good agency will tell you that.

Option two, is the tour package: you pay for 7-10 days with a translator and a number of girls that may want to meet you. The high end agencies, will also want you to stay on the property. Why should they allow you to give that money to a hotel, when it's more profitable just if you stay right here in our suite, for a nominal price of course.

If you want one- on- one match making, prepare to pry your ass open and pay heavily.

Option three: The sleazy agencies do these high volume tour packages. This is the bottom of the barrel .A foreign affair/love me.com is the largest promoter of large volume tours on line. This is where you have an enormous amount of scamming whores to be present as well. You will be in a room with 500-1000 wretched bags and 150 balding , beer belly fucks, at a function under some ragged tent. Skip it.

If your choice is the Latin American sites(this is wise), as opposed to the scamming russian sites, you will have a better rate when it comes to finding sincere women who want to marry.

Try this one, latin-wife .com, located in Barranquilla. The guy who runs the operation is an American(Jamie) and has a ton of men who are willing to vouch for him. Call him and grill him about the business, and tell him your intentions. You will get a feel for how it/he works. Its an all in one place, handling all legal paperwork, lodging, booking , if you so desire. He is very stern with the girls, and has no problem staring you in the right direction if a girl has been red flagged.
I wouldn't trust anything in Medellin, Cali, Bogota, Cartagena, Dominican Republic, based on the volume of girls that are trained to suck you clean. You will quickly learn that the women in Barranquilla, are hot, but also more "wife" material. No other latin American country really caters to the foreign marriage agency product more so than Colombia. I'm not sure if you like Asian pussy, but I didn't see you mention that. Don't fuck with any of the websites promoting Russian or Eastern European pussy for marriage. This is a disaster waiting to happen, plus it's too fucking far and too much money. There is more, but this should give you a start .

Damn! That's good and bad news! I LOVE the way East European women look! Don't get me wrong, coming home to a hot Colombian woman is nothing to sneeze at, but I find Latinas' to be little better than American women, especially when they're super cute! (Of course, I'm dealing mostly with American latinas.) I just feel that a Latina will have so many connections here in the US and with so much of California society catering to the Hispanic population, Latinas are in a far greater position to bleed an American guy dry! Plus, there's just nothing hotter than an extremely hot blonde! I'm just sayin'! Anyway, there has to be someone from the EU who has an agency similar in professionalism to the one you described in Colombia. I just need to find it. lol

Urb, here's a good question for you, How much do you think you will spend, from the time you engage an agency in Eastern Europe /Russia , to the time, you bring your wife back to the states?

Well, honestly I don't have much idea, but including my travel there, I'm guessing anywhere from $12,000. However, that includes my travel and lodging for 2 weeks at a time, at least a couple of times during that year. However, When I think about how much money I've spent on just 2 of the 4 worthless long term relationships I've been in, it's thousands cheaper, and with someone of near dream girl looks, as opposed just 'pretty cute,' as my other girls have been! Everything people describe Russian women doing to me, I've had done by American women! I was taken to the cleaners for child support by a 'good ole' American Girl.' I've been cheated on by a 'good ole' American Girl' too. So, I'm not sure how much it would cost, but it can't be any more than I've already spent, and for far less quality! Still, I appreciate your insight, and I'm definitely taking everything you say into consideration, including looking up the Colombian website as we speak!

[Pusscrook]

(11-22-2011 05:02 PM)Urban Renaissance Man Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 04:46 PM)Pusscrook Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 04:39 PM)Urban Renaissance Man Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 03:33 PM)Pusscrook Wrote:  

(11-18-2011 11:53 AM)Urban Renaissance Man Wrote:  

Ok, I know this has probably already been discussed a million times so I apologize in advance, but I personally haven't gotten the info.
I have just about had it with American women. Since I've been on this site, I've had 2 girlfriends, along with about 7 friends with benefits. All have either been unfilfilling at best and dismal failures at worse. I do not blame the girls entirely, as it takes two to tango, but there's always the underlying current of disrespect or unappreciation that's present in just about every situation. Also, I find that I ready to settle down. So, my question is this... I know that there are many websites out here that offer foreign bride meeting/services. Do any of you guys actually know of sites that aren't just money pits, and actually produce good results? Is it quite necessary to go to the most expensive one, or are there other lesser cost options, that are still effective. I'm interested in either Latina,(Colombian, Mexican, Venezuela) or East European ladies. Yes, I know the chances of using me just for a green card are high and it might only last 3-5 years, but hell, that's about as long as my relationships usually last anyway. At least I'll have 3-5 years in realtive peace, with a beauty.

Damn, I wish there was a way to just go to Iceland, Sweden or Denmark, and bring one of those ladies back! lol. However, I figure they are less likely to want to more abroad for marriage, seeing that their standard of living is as high as ours or higher.

Quick run down for you.....


It's always good to know how Foreign marriage agencies conduct business for the sole purpose of profit.

Demographic/target market: Male, primarily Caucasian, 35-55 ,divorced, depressed.

The idea is that you have convinced yourself that after dating the cess pool of western women, a foreign whore will ease your pain and return you to traditional happiness. None of these agencies keep any accurate records on their success rate , and if they told you otherwise, they are lying. Think of it this way, who calls the agency back and says I am getting a divorce. Usually you're in a deep dark fucking hole shitting in your socks, and the last person you want to talk to , is the agency.

Most agencies are not IMBRA compliant. You should make sure of this before you start sending money, or spending money.

Most agencies, do not pre-screen their list of whores, and they also cannot guarantee you that the whore is telling the truth about her past, present, or any future plans she may have.

How agencies make money: Not many males are able to travel long distances to court several whores and make a decision all in one trip. Hence, most agencies use the correspondence route to hammer away at your success rate. You pay a fee to select a few girls to talk to via phone, or email. You do the math on how many men might bite at that option. This is not a good option for you and a good agency will tell you that.

Option two, is the tour package: you pay for 7-10 days with a translator and a number of girls that may want to meet you. The high end agencies, will also want you to stay on the property. Why should they allow you to give that money to a hotel, when it's more profitable just if you stay right here in our suite, for a nominal price of course.

If you want one- on- one match making, prepare to pry your ass open and pay heavily.

Option three: The sleazy agencies do these high volume tour packages. This is the bottom of the barrel .A foreign affair/love me.com is the largest promoter of large volume tours on line. This is where you have an enormous amount of scamming whores to be present as well. You will be in a room with 500-1000 wretched bags and 150 balding , beer belly fucks, at a function under some ragged tent. Skip it.

If your choice is the Latin American sites(this is wise), as opposed to the scamming russian sites, you will have a better rate when it comes to finding sincere women who want to marry.

Try this one, latin-wife .com, located in Barranquilla. The guy who runs the operation is an American(Jamie) and has a ton of men who are willing to vouch for him. Call him and grill him about the business, and tell him your intentions. You will get a feel for how it/he works. Its an all in one place, handling all legal paperwork, lodging, booking , if you so desire. He is very stern with the girls, and has no problem staring you in the right direction if a girl has been red flagged.
I wouldn't trust anything in Medellin, Cali, Bogota, Cartagena, Dominican Republic, based on the volume of girls that are trained to suck you clean. You will quickly learn that the women in Barranquilla, are hot, but also more "wife" material. No other latin American country really caters to the foreign marriage agency product more so than Colombia. I'm not sure if you like Asian pussy, but I didn't see you mention that. Don't fuck with any of the websites promoting Russian or Eastern European pussy for marriage. This is a disaster waiting to happen, plus it's too fucking far and too much money. There is more, but this should give you a start .

Damn! That's good and bad news! I LOVE the way East European women look! Don't get me wrong, coming home to a hot Colombian woman is nothing to sneeze at, but I find Latinas' to be little better than American women, especially when they're super cute! (Of course, I'm dealing mostly with American latinas.) I just feel that a Latina will have so many connections here in the US and with so much of California society catering to the Hispanic population, Latinas are in a far greater position to bleed an American guy dry! Plus, there's just nothing hotter than an extremely hot blonde! I'm just sayin'! Anyway, there has to be someone from the EU who has an agency similar in professionalism to the one you described in Colombia. I just need to find it. lol

Urb, here's a good question for you, How much do you think you will spend, from the time you engage an agency in Eastern Europe /Russia , to the time, you bring your wife back to the states?

Well, honestly I don't have much idea, but including my travel there, I'm guessing anywhere from $12,000. However, that includes my travel and lodging for 2 weeks at a time, at least a couple of times during that year. However, When I think about how much money I've spent on just 2 of the 4 worthless long term relationships I've been in, it's thousands cheaper, and with someone of near dream girl looks, as opposed just 'pretty cute,' as my other girls have been! Everything people describe Russian women doing to me, I've had done by American women! I was taken to the cleaners for child support by a 'good ole' American Girl.' I've been cheated on by a 'good ole' American Girl' too. So, I'm not sure how much it would cost, but it can't be any more than I've already spent, and for far less quality! Still, I appreciate your insight, and I'm definitely taking everything you say into consideration, including looking up the Colombian website as we speak!

Check your P.M.. everything you need is there.

[worldwidetraveler]

(11-22-2011 02:18 PM)Urban Renaissance Man Wrote:  

Its so hard to believe that America would set up a system that is so against men of their own country! These women, (Agency women) even if they marry a local cop, are already being provided a lifestyle that they would have little chance of achieving in Mother Russia! Not to mention the possibility of American citizenship as well as education and career possibilities never before available to them! That we should have to take care of them an additional TEN YEARS is amazing!! The only good thing I can think of about China overtaking us as the new world power is that maybe once it happens, American won't feel the need to crap on their own citizens in an effort to provide a leg up for others!

Yeah, I am sure the feminist had something to do with this.

Any American chick can do the same, like you said. Just keep in mind, that a EE woman will probably know the laws better then you.

Nothing wrong with seeking a wife out of country. Keep in mind, they will get assimilated and probably take on some American traits after some time.

Hell, at least they will stay slimmer. ha

Here is some forums for guys to get information on marrying an EE woman.

http://russianwomendiscussion.com
http://ruadventures.com


Those should have some info as to what agencies are good or bad. I came onto those sites looking for information on Ukraine since I was relocating there for a year.

Good luck!

[Urban Renaissance Man]

(11-22-2011 06:12 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 02:18 PM)Urban Renaissance Man Wrote:  

Its so hard to believe that America would set up a system that is so against men of their own country! These women, (Agency women) even if they marry a local cop, are already being provided a lifestyle that they would have little chance of achieving in Mother Russia! Not to mention the possibility of American citizenship as well as education and career possibilities never before available to them! That we should have to take care of them an additional TEN YEARS is amazing!! The only good thing I can think of about China overtaking us as the new world power is that maybe once it happens, American won't feel the need to crap on their own citizens in an effort to provide a leg up for others!

Yeah, I am sure the feminist had something to do with this.

Any American chick can do the same, like you said. Just keep in mind, that a EE woman will probably know the laws better then you.

Nothing wrong with seeking a wife out of country. Keep in mind, they will get assimilated and probably take on some American traits after some time.

Hell, at least they will stay slimmer. ha

Here is some forums for guys to get information on marrying an EE woman.

http://russianwomendiscussion.com
http://ruadventures.com


Those should have some info as to what agencies are good or bad. I came onto those sites looking for information on Ukraine since I was relocating there for a year.

Good luck!

Thanks!

[Lord Flashheart]

I appreciate that this thread is years old now, but I thought it might be better to post here due to the thread title "Reputable Foreign Bride Websites?"

I am serious about finding a LTR with a woman from E.Europe, like Ukraine... or possibly S.America. There are various foreign dating sites, and it's very hard to know which ones are any good.

Does anyone here know anything about http://www.LoveMe.com? ... also known as A Foreign Affair (AFA).
They seem to post quite a lot of videos of their dating events on youtube featuring the boss, which I was hoping might be a good sign that at least the organisation is trustworthy.

[Brillynt]

(09-06-2018 01:37 PM)Lord Flashheart Wrote:  

I appreciate that this thread is years old now, but I thought it might be better to post here due to the thread title "Reputable Foreign Bride Websites?"

I am serious about finding a LTR with a woman from E.Europe, like Ukraine... or possibly S.America. There are various foreign dating sites, and it's very hard to know which ones are any good.

Does anyone here know anything about http://www.LoveMe.com? ... also known as A Foreign Affair (AFA).
They seem to post quite a lot of videos of their dating events on youtube featuring the boss, which I was hoping might be a good sign that at least the organisation is trustworthy.

Do not use that site. It is a pay per letter/scam site and has fake profiles that will try to extract as much $ out of you as possible. Elanas models is a flat rate pay site which is better. I met my wife from Ukraine on fdating.com which is free. If you are seriously looking for a EE bride, take a look at Russian Women Discussion for information and discussion about finding, dating, marrying a Russian/Ukrainian .. woman.

[Lord Flashheart]

(09-06-2018 02:06 PM)Brillynt Wrote:  

Do not use that site. It is a pay per letter/scam site and has fake profiles that will try to extract as much $ out of you as possible. Elanas models is a flat rate pay site which is better. I met my wife from Ukraine on fdating.com which is free. If you are seriously looking for a EE bride, take a look at Russian Women Discussion for information and discussion about finding, dating, marrying a Russian/Ukrainian .. woman.

Hey thanks Brillynt
... Did you find out about fdating and Elena's Models on the "Russian Women Discussion" site?

I LOVE this forum, such a fast response. Many thanks

[Lord Flashheart]

(09-06-2018 02:06 PM)Brillynt Wrote:  

Do not use that site. It is a pay per letter/scam site and has fake profiles that will try to extract as much $ out of you as possible. Elanas models is a flat rate pay site which is better. I met my wife from Ukraine on fdating.com which is free. If you are seriously looking for a EE bride, take a look at Russian Women Discussion for information and discussion about finding, dating, marrying a Russian/Ukrainian .. woman.

Hey there,
I tried to sign up to russianwomendiscussion.com two days ago, but I have to wait for an admin to approve my account.

Please can you share your story about meeting your Ukrainian wife on Fdating? - Was she based in Ukraine at the time, or living elsewhere? - Also, is there a big age difference between you?