[Arado]

(11-10-2011 04:04 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  

(11-10-2011 03:15 PM)Caligula Wrote:  

On the other hand empirical IQ tests (let's set aside all the problems involved in testing intelligence; even Binet never intended IQ testing to be a full measure of intellifence) show that overall intelligence in the population is increasing. This is the Flynn Effect - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect

Others argue the opposite is happening.

Debating this properly takes more understanding of intelligence testing and statistics than arguments than just arguing from 'common sense'.

What is clearly declining in the West is the % of people who value education and culture. Not sure how that correlates with intelligence, but most likely negatively.

That said, this is interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_int...telligence

The thing is the Flynn effect probably isn't a result of heritable intelligence. For starters the 100 years or so they've been testing this stuff is way too short for significant natural selection to take place in a species that takes 20 years per generation.

There are a couple probable causes for the Flynn effect. Improved nutrition in childhood (which seems to have become excessive nutrition now...but fatties are a rant for another day), which is going to allow brain development to reach it's physical potential for more people. Then there's the problem of IQ tests never being able to perfectly measure raw intelligence. Even a wordless test involving pattern recognition of culturally nonspecific symbols is going to end up being gamed by little kids whose helicopter parents have them playing with toys that improve pattern recognition. The SATs are even worse, given that every high school now spends all it's time teaching to the test.

Anti-intellectualism could be an issue, but the culture would have to promote it for long enough of a time that intelligent men faced a severe prolonged dry spell. On the other hand it's far more likely that a rival culture would overwhelm a society that did something so stupid. Which is actually the subject of about 90% of Roissy's posts...hmm.

The Flynn effect has actually been reversing though
http://isteve.blogspot.com/2009/02/flynn...among.html

And so have SAT scores
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/sep/15/...s-20110915

[alphaspiraton]

(11-11-2011 01:06 AM)ao85 Wrote:  

(11-10-2011 10:59 AM)DjembaDjemba Wrote:  

(11-10-2011 10:48 AM)Gariell Wrote:  

(11-10-2011 09:22 AM)DjembaDjemba Wrote:  

I don't think so at all.

It will be fine. When we're 50 and 60, assuming we're alive, we'll have an excellent pool of young willing females.

This is 10x better than what's happening in Asia right now, Japan is having a demographics crunch and males there are the epitome of beta, China has the same problem coupled with shortage of women, and India...well, it's India, and it has a shortage of women like China.

I think North America will still be in a solid position come 2040.

Umm what do you mean by "its" India? Is there something people should know about that place?

To put out there I mean no disrespect to Indian people at all. By "umm it's India" it means the stifling culture they've created is really quite literally "hell" for anyone who wants to be a player.

In India a relationship is not about a man and a woman, it's about 2 families looking to transfer and combine wealth to each other. It's very medieval. Just...not good. Indians families will actually kill their daughter if she fucks around. Honor killings are very common.

And no disrespect to Indian guys, some seasoned Indian PUAs here in Toronto.

I love Indian girls. I'll always have a little soft spot for them, but their culture is...'unique'.

There is alot of hate on this forum directed towards Indian culture not being open enough to dating. It may be true, but it's changing, and westernized Indian girls are usually fair game for Western guys of different races. I know tons of Indian girls that have dated non Indian guys.

Why don't we lob more anger at the Muslim community?
a) They are not modernizing. They have become more conservative in the last generation w/ regard to partying.
b) They are breeding at a higher rate than Indians
c) They don't let their women out of the house but have no problem banging around like crazy.
d) That's some serious honor killing trends, even in the West, while in the US you never have Indian families engaging in honor killings.
e) Indian guys, when they're rich, have earned their money through brains or business, while many Muslim countries live off their oil w/ little actual contribution.

Very offensive and non value adding response.

As Roosh said, there's no place for religion or race debates on this forum.

[Arado]

(11-11-2011 01:21 AM)alphaspiraton Wrote:  

(11-11-2011 01:06 AM)ao85 Wrote:  

(11-10-2011 10:59 AM)DjembaDjemba Wrote:  

(11-10-2011 10:48 AM)Gariell Wrote:  

(11-10-2011 09:22 AM)DjembaDjemba Wrote:  

I don't think so at all.

It will be fine. When we're 50 and 60, assuming we're alive, we'll have an excellent pool of young willing females.

This is 10x better than what's happening in Asia right now, Japan is having a demographics crunch and males there are the epitome of beta, China has the same problem coupled with shortage of women, and India...well, it's India, and it has a shortage of women like China.

I think North America will still be in a solid position come 2040.

Umm what do you mean by "its" India? Is there something people should know about that place?

To put out there I mean no disrespect to Indian people at all. By "umm it's India" it means the stifling culture they've created is really quite literally "hell" for anyone who wants to be a player.

In India a relationship is not about a man and a woman, it's about 2 families looking to transfer and combine wealth to each other. It's very medieval. Just...not good. Indians families will actually kill their daughter if she fucks around. Honor killings are very common.

And no disrespect to Indian guys, some seasoned Indian PUAs here in Toronto.

I love Indian girls. I'll always have a little soft spot for them, but their culture is...'unique'.

There is alot of hate on this forum directed towards Indian culture not being open enough to dating. It may be true, but it's changing, and westernized Indian girls are usually fair game for Western guys of different races. I know tons of Indian girls that have dated non Indian guys.

Why don't we lob more anger at the Muslim community?
a) They are not modernizing. They have become more conservative in the last generation w/ regard to partying.
b) They are breeding at a higher rate than Indians
c) They don't let their women out of the house but have no problem banging around like crazy.
d) That's some serious honor killing trends, even in the West, while in the US you never have Indian families engaging in honor killings.
e) Indian guys, when they're rich, have earned their money through brains or business, while many Muslim countries live off their oil w/ little actual contribution.

Very offensive and non value adding response.

As Roosh said, there's no place for religion or race debates on this forum.

I'm just providing balance to the constant complaining about Indian culture being closed. My point is:
a) It's far from the worst out there
b) It's changing
c) It doesn't apply in the Western countries

But point taken, no need to demonize anyone here.

[Excelsior]

(11-11-2011 12:49 AM)blurb Wrote:  

Relevant read related to discussion: http://www.inmalafide.com/blog/2011/06/0...n-america/

Good comment:

Quote:

Similar ideas have not worked in Singapore, Japan, Korea, Germany and many other countries.

Want to know why?

It comes down to something that most so-called “high IQ” people do not understand.

Whether we like it or not, people who spend their whole existence being uppity scamsters and conmen (aka “high IQ”) are not exactly interested in doing something that might not benefit them- like raising kids. Peoples whose lives revolve around status, work, attention, con games and other assorted bullshit are too full of themselves to actually care about another human- let alone have kids.

When is the last time you met a non-narcissistic “high-IQ” girl?

Good find, blurb. Give that commenter a frikkin medal, he is spot on. I came into the Ivy League with a whole lot of (largely positive) expectations of my peers (who are most often, with relatively few exceptions, essentially the "1%" everyone is protesting against), and have unfortunately found many of his observations about our elite to be true. It was sobering to realize how those who supposedly comprise this nation's "best and brightest" really are.

The obsession with status, the attention whoring, the workaholism, the disloyalty, and especially the emphasis on "facetime" (an epidemic so common on my campus that it's become an integral part of the local lexicon) and the absurd levels of fakeness that goes with that...this is the reality of life up here. This is what America's "elite" (the people who will grow to run the country and whose parents, in many cases, already do) are really like.

Its frikkin depressing.

Is an Idiocracy inevitable? Lord knows that, when it comes to most of the people here, children will come a distant second behind facetime and the attainment of status in the future. Perhaps this is what is really behind our acceleration to the Idiocracy. It is a cruel irony: our elite are, on paper, anyway, the ones who society should most prefer to reproduce due to their intellect and resources (as I noted in my last post), and yet their characteristics (the fakeness, attention whoring, workaholism, etc) are precisely what will prevent them from doing so in reality.

Can we reverse this trend? I'm not even sure anymore. Perhaps we should all just do what we can with our own genes (as me and Tuth were talking about earlier in this thread) and just enjoy the decline...

[Tuthmosis]

(11-11-2011 01:06 AM)ao85 Wrote:  

Why don't we lob more anger at the Muslim community?
a) They are not modernizing. They have become more conservative in the last generation w/ regard to partying.
b) They are breeding at a higher rate than Indians
c) They don't let their women out of the house but have no problem banging around like crazy.
d) That's some serious honor killing trends, even in the West, while in the US you never have Indian families engaging in honor killings.
e) Indian guys, when they're rich, have earned their money through brains or business, while many Muslim countries live off their oil w/ little actual contribution.

So, let me get this straight: your way to defend Indian culture from what you see as "hate" is to simply redirect that hate toward another group?

[Excelsior]

(11-11-2011 01:06 AM)ao85 Wrote:  

Why don't we lob more anger at the Muslim community?

...let's not.

(11-11-2011 02:12 AM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

So, let me get this straight: your way to defend Indian culture from what you see as "hate" is to simply redirect that hate toward another group?

I need a facepalm pic to insert here.

...and there we go

[Arado]

(11-11-2011 02:32 AM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

(11-11-2011 01:06 AM)ao85 Wrote:  

Why don't we lob more anger at the Muslim community?

...let's not.

(11-11-2011 02:12 AM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

So, let me get this straight: your way to defend Indian culture from what you see as "hate" is to simply redirect that hate toward another group?

I need a facepalm pic to insert here.

...and there we go

Arrgh, did you not just read what I wrote?

Quote:

I'm just providing balance to the constant complaining about Indian culture being closed. My point is:
a) It's far from the worst out there
b) It's changing
c) It doesn't apply in the Western countries

But point taken, no need to demonize anyone here.

If the purpose for examining the Indian community is for gaming purposes only, fine, it's understandable to say "Don't go to India if you want to get laid," and it's good advice that belongs on this forum.

Or, if you want to make the point that things there should change, well, that's fine too, because things are changing.

But if it's bashing for the sake of bashing, well, there are better targets out there.

[Caligula]

(11-11-2011 03:04 AM)ao85 Wrote:  

(11-11-2011 02:32 AM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

(11-11-2011 01:06 AM)ao85 Wrote:  

Why don't we lob more anger at the Muslim community?

...let's not.

(11-11-2011 02:12 AM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

So, let me get this straight: your way to defend Indian culture from what you see as "hate" is to simply redirect that hate toward another group?

I need a facepalm pic to insert here.

...and there we go

Arrgh, did you not just read what I wrote?

Quote:

I'm just providing balance to the constant complaining about Indian culture being closed. My point is:
a) It's far from the worst out there
b) It's changing
c) It doesn't apply in the Western countries

But point taken, no need to demonize anyone here.

If the purpose for examining the Indian community is for gaming purposes only, fine, it's understandable to say "Don't go to India if you want to get laid," and it's good advice that belongs on this forum.

Or, if you want to make the point that things there should change, well, that's fine too, because things are changing.

But if it's bashing for the sake of bashing, well, there are better targets out there.

[Deluge]

Roosh needs to do something to address the racism problems on this board.

[Samseau]

The race nazi's PC patrol on this forum is sad. Why are you guys so intolerant?

Ao85 has done nothing wrong and brought a perfectly valid contradiction into existence:

It's okay to bash Indians but no one DARES to bash muslims! (Tuthmosis, Roosh, Athlone, myself, pretty much everyone has made fun of indian "no-game" trolls) We could extend this to other PC protected races as well.

Ao85 pointed out a hypocrisy and people want him banned? Seriously?


Come on, lighten up fellas. This race-PC shit will destroy the forum.

(New computer parts comes this wed... damn can't wait for a keyboard)

[Gariell]

Ao85 was trying to point and shift the blame to "another" race to satisfy his own personal race issues. Making it acceptable to bash other races would just increase the already existing "race" issues and go nowhere. Btw "Islam" isn't a race, it consists of many countries and races; I believe he was referring to Muslims in South Asia, not the Turks, Lebanese, Iranian, Syrian, Egyptian, Tunisian, or various other groups that practice Islam, (who are all very different from each other).
Iranian Muslims, in the U.S, are usually much more modernized compared to the other groups practicing Islam, and they have assimilated much more better into mainstream American society (unlike all the Indians). They have the highest academic qualifications moreso than Asians and unlike them they didn't need to be highlighted as a model minority to be successful. It's kind of hypo critical for him to blame Muslims, when it's Hinduism, a religion much more backwards & just as medieval as Islam, to blame for how backwards India is, why India even has a overpopulation problem, why there are people shitting on the streets in India, and why that religion believes drinking cow urine gives you fair skin , & why they are not capable of the same type of introspection, secularism, universalism, analysis, and thought as Europeans or the other civilized countries. Another thing is that the Muslims in India have little/or no genetic difference with that of the Hindu's in India, they are really the same people in a lot of ways, (the parsi's might be an exception but they are Zoroastrian). The majority of Bollywood actors and the people who run it are actually Muslims. It makes no sense for him to blame Muslims for any problems when it's Hinduism and the Hindu sized version of Islam in the South Asia region that's to blame.

[BortimusPrime]

(11-12-2011 02:07 PM)Gariell Wrote:  

drinking cow urine gives you fair skin

If you're a vegan does that count as an animal product?

[Gariell]

lol that's a good question, i have no idea

[gringochileno]

There's actually evidence that more physically attractive people are more likely to be intelligent. The reasons why we're attracted to certain physical traits is that they're a reasonably good indicator of reproductive fitness, of which intelligence is a component. In particular, people with physical disabilities tend to be mentally impaired as well.

Granted, cultural influences combined with the advent of contraception may mean that the most reproductively fit people aren't the ones who are reproducing the most, but I think the story there is much more about a population explosion in the third world coupled with shrinking family sizes in developed countries than any tendency of less intelligent people to have more kids. You don't need to be a genius to know that contraceptives work, it's really about access.

Bottom line, I don't think it's plausible to expect a significant decrease in average intelligence due to mating patterns. Idiocracy's a fucking hilarious movie though, who wants to get a burger at Buttfucker's?

[BortimusPrime]

Hmm, but figure third world peasants are born into that life without any real means of advancing out of it. So there's no pressure selecting against smart people in the third world, unlike here where there's incentive against smart people having kids (DINK lifestyle and all that). If anything being smarter probably makes them better at getting enough food to feed their offspring. I remember reading Guns, Germs, and Steel, and the author made a similar point that a New Guinean tribesman had to be a lot smarter than the average American doofus just to survive in his environment.

So really the hope for the world is that the teeming hordes of the developing nations will swarm in here and miscegenate some brains back into our society.

[Arado]

(11-12-2011 02:07 PM)Gariell Wrote:  

Ao85 was trying to point and shift the blame to "another" race to satisfy his own personal race issues. Making it acceptable to bash other races would just increase the already existing "race" issues and go nowhere. Btw "Islam" isn't a race, it consists of many countries and races; I believe he was referring to Muslims in South Asia, not the Turks, Lebanese, Iranian, Syrian, Egyptian, Tunisian, or various other groups that practice Islam, (who are all very different from each other).
Iranian Muslims, in the U.S, are usually much more modernized compared to the other groups practicing Islam, and they have assimilated much more better into mainstream American society (unlike all the Indians). They have the highest academic qualifications moreso than Asians and unlike them they didn't need to be highlighted as a model minority to be successful. It's kind of hypo critical for him to blame Muslims, when it's Hinduism, a religion much more backwards & just as medieval as Islam, to blame for how backwards India is, why India even has a overpopulation problem, why there are people shitting on the streets in India, and why that religion believes drinking cow urine gives you fair skin , & why they are not capable of the same type of introspection, secularism, universalism, analysis, and thought as Europeans or the other civilized countries. Another thing is that the Muslims in India have little/or no genetic difference with that of the Hindu's in India, they are really the same people in a lot of ways, (the parsi's might be an exception but they are Zoroastrian). The majority of Bollywood actors and the people who run it are actually Muslims. It makes no sense for him to blame Muslims for any problems when it's Hinduism and the Hindu sized version of Islam in the South Asia region that's to blame.

Have you not been paying attention to anything in the news in the last ten years? I'm totally willing to acknowledge the flaws of India...it's a very backwards society, with a myriad of problems.

But my point is that it's changing...Indians have assimilated quite well into the United States and have drawn essentially none of the animosity that the Muslim minority in the US has. While still convervative, Indian society in India is changing...but in the Muslim world, it is NOT. In fact, Islam has regressed in terms of modernity, and your point on Iran proves my point. During the time of the Shah, Iran was much more game friendly than it is now. I don't know anywhere in India where a woman gets stoned to death for having sex before marriage.

You simply have too see how India reacts to modernity vs. Islam. In the former, there is an embrace, even if its slow at times. In the latter, there is backlash.

Anyway, my point was that no one on this forum is complaining about how hard it is to game girls in Muslim countries but are lamenting that it's hard in India. I see that as an unfair demonization, and yes possibly due to political correctness. I don't have a problem acknowledging the problems of India, but harping on it without a purpose seems to go against the purpose of this board. If you want to complain about Indians for the sake of complaining...there are better targets.

Anyway, this discussion is going nowhere. Apologies for the derailment. I'm not a troll, don't worry.

[El Rey]

(11-13-2011 04:42 AM)ao85 Wrote:  

(11-12-2011 02:07 PM)Gariell Wrote:  

Ao85 was trying to point and shift the blame to "another" race to satisfy his own personal race issues. Making it acceptable to bash other races would just increase the already existing "race" issues and go nowhere. Btw "Islam" isn't a race, it consists of many countries and races; I believe he was referring to Muslims in South Asia, not the Turks, Lebanese, Iranian, Syrian, Egyptian, Tunisian, or various other groups that practice Islam, (who are all very different from each other).
Iranian Muslims, in the U.S, are usually much more modernized compared to the other groups practicing Islam, and they have assimilated much more better into mainstream American society (unlike all the Indians). They have the highest academic qualifications moreso than Asians and unlike them they didn't need to be highlighted as a model minority to be successful. It's kind of hypo critical for him to blame Muslims, when it's Hinduism, a religion much more backwards & just as medieval as Islam, to blame for how backwards India is, why India even has a overpopulation problem, why there are people shitting on the streets in India, and why that religion believes drinking cow urine gives you fair skin , & why they are not capable of the same type of introspection, secularism, universalism, analysis, and thought as Europeans or the other civilized countries. Another thing is that the Muslims in India have little/or no genetic difference with that of the Hindu's in India, they are really the same people in a lot of ways, (the parsi's might be an exception but they are Zoroastrian). The majority of Bollywood actors and the people who run it are actually Muslims. It makes no sense for him to blame Muslims for any problems when it's Hinduism and the Hindu sized version of Islam in the South Asia region that's to blame.

Have you not been paying attention to anything in the news in the last ten years? I'm totally willing to acknowledge the flaws of India...it's a very backwards society, with a myriad of problems.

But my point is that it's changing...Indians have assimilated quite well into the United States and have drawn essentially none of the animosity that the Muslim minority in the US has. While still convervative, Indian society in India is changing...but in the Muslim world, it is NOT. In fact, Islam has regressed in terms of modernity, and your point on Iran proves my point. During the time of the Shah, Iran was much more game friendly than it is now. I don't know anywhere in India where a woman gets stoned to death for having sex before marriage.

You simply have too see how India reacts to modernity vs. Islam. In the former, there is an embrace, even if its slow at times. In the latter, there is backlash.

Anyway, my point was that no one on this forum is complaining about how hard it is to game girls in Muslim countries but are lamenting that it's hard in India. I see that as an unfair demonization, and yes possibly due to political correctness. I don't have a problem acknowledging the problems of India, but harping on it without a purpose seems to go against the purpose of this board. If you want to complain about Indians for the sake of complaining...there are better targets.

Anyway, this discussion is going nowhere. Apologies for the derailment. I'm not a troll, don't worry.

Ao85, are you Indian?

[Gmac]

Yeah not to get off topic but I agree, islam poses a huge problem in the future for the progression of our society as a whole.

[Excelsior]

(11-13-2011 07:43 PM)Gmac Wrote:  

Yeah not to get off topic but I agree, islam poses a huge problem in the future for the progression of our society as a whole.

I think progression itself poses a threat to the progression of our society as a whole.

Regardless of what you think about muslims (and I disagree with you, btw, but we'll leave that for another debate), they're actually replicating.
Meanwhile, in the more "progressive" parts of the world(read: the west), people aren't even reproducing, with their own "progressive" ideas (feminism, widespread promotion of contraception, delayed parenthood, etc) largely at the root of the problem. It's their own progress and adherence to more progressive ideas that's actually slowly killing them off. The only groups within these societies still maintaining decent fertility rates are the more conservative ones (Muslims in Europe and religious conservatives living in more "red" states/regions in the USA). The more progressive (and often more highly educated) populaces don't even replace themselves.

At the end of the day, that self-imposed lack of reproduction is a far bigger threat to progressive society and any future progress it wishes to make than any foreign group could hope to be.

[Gariell]

(11-13-2011 07:43 PM)Gmac Wrote:  

Yeah not to get off topic but I agree, islam poses a huge problem in the future for the progression of our society as a whole.

No it's hinduism that's the problem. Lets face it, you & ao85 don't know much about Islam to comment on it or the various regional differences between the various groups that practice Islam. Ao85 didn't disprove anything, Indians assimilating? Give me a break, Australia & the UK just recently banned all immigration from the Indian subcontinent. The U.S is about to kick out almost 10,000 Indian guest workers that have been abusing the H1b program. There is a blog explaining how exactly Indians have been abusing the U.S immigration system and destroying silicon valley, and their failure record, although it's somewhat xenophobic:

http://www.techinsurgent.com/- read through all the archives and posts, and people will see what Indian society for what it is and why these people should be cut off from the civilized world. Iranian Muslims and various other Middle Eastern immigrants have not garnered a bad reputation or have as much problems assimilating as the people from the subcontinent. Pakistani's, Indians's, & Bangaldeshi's seem to be the main groups that can't seem to assimilate into the U.K, and they are from the lower-mid strata of their respective societies. You can make a similar case for the Turkish immigrants in Europe. But the backwardness of sub-continentals can be blamed on Hinduism and Indian society. Hinduism takes a stance of indifference to suffering and a self-centerdness of which bounties of the cosmos have to garnered to the individual. It's very similar to the Roman pagan cults pre-christ era. You also have an extremely rigid caste system which is the main social evil and elephant in the room, that's a result of how that religion was formed. Hinduism is a collection of primitive customs that have evolved over the centuries in response to the various groups that came into India and changed the social order. One of those invasions, believed to be the main reason for caste sysem, was the Indo-Aryan invasion of India several years ago where apparently an Aryan group of people came in and enslaved the natives and mixed with them. Some of these original Aryans or white people still exist in parts of Pakistan, North India, Afghanistan, and other Northern parts of the sub-continent, there are pictures of them online, they look almost exactly like white people . Several other invasions occurred afterwards from Central Asia & the Middle East resulting in various religions, a point of view stuck in the dark ages, religions/cultures, unlike Protestantism or Calvinism, disallowing any self-introspection or self-correction due to the various invading groups controlling, taking things away and leaving their influences. You cannot expect to push modern western societal ideals and western secular thought on such a primitive medieval like society, when the room for western ideals or secularist free thought & imagination does not even exist or is conceivable within the minds and framework of that society.

As for Islam being backwards please, Islam has a much more richer history then Hinduism or Indians. The only reason why Pakistan and India's Muslims nations are so backwards is because it's uniquely an Indian racial cultural issue, not a Muslim issue. Pakistan and India's Muslims are a hinduized version of Muslims. Iran, Lebanon, Syria, the Emirates, Turkey, all Muslim countries, all have much more higher living standards, less backwardness, less backwaterness, more civilized people, and better looking men with much more mack caliber game from what I have seen, then India. It's the shitty Indian culture, people, and society in general that is a prime reason why India is a shithole in the first place. The sect of Islam that's fits the image of the cookie cutter terrorist extremist soldier is wahabism, basically an extreme interpretation of Islam arising in the aftermath of the Mongol wars in the Middle East. The terrorist wahabist sects of Islam are generally pawns of the U.S CIA and MI6, who are using them for their own agenda. The reason why Brown people and Muslims are always stigmatized and disliked across in the media, potrayed in a very false negative image, in the West, is because since the dawn of time, Middle Easterners and Islamic people were the only race to resist and defeat Western imperialism, western colonial attempts, and being the ONLY group that had conquered and enslaved Europeans on several occasions. Add to the fact that the Middle East is the cross roads between all societies, oil rich, and right next to the Western world and you have a group of people who are going to be made into a target and people pushing agenda's. Despite that, Middle Eastern countries tend to be actually well run and have high standards of living despite the chaos, manipulation, hostility, outside forces, power jockeying and wars that happen in that region.

As for Islam being a threat please, the Muslim Arabs were the first to figure out extensive trade routes between Europe & Asia, and served as gatekeepers between the two continents for centuries. They carried out and exchanged technologies between various civilizations, which eventually led to Colombus discovering America, the spice trade, the invention of guns and cannons, advanced ships, navigation technology, mathmatics & science, all sorts of new tech unheard of in the medieval world. Islam has made far more contributions to the world then Hinduism ever did and ever will; Hinduism still glorifies animal deities, creature killing, blood sacrifices, drinking cow urine, child molestation, female deprecation, basically gory ass aztec-ish like shit, like something right out of the dark ages. The reason why people don't know much about Hinduism is because there is little to any coverage about it. Compared to Hindusim, Islam is light years ahead, and it has a much more tied history to science and trade as much as Christinanity.

Athlone Mcginnis and everyone else discussing about India, I demand that you guys read Robert Lindsay's blog posts on India. Completely eye-opening and revealing to what's going on there and how it's going to take almost a century for that society to progress back to civilization.

[Arado]

(11-13-2011 10:46 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

(11-13-2011 07:43 PM)Gmac Wrote:  

Yeah not to get off topic but I agree, islam poses a huge problem in the future for the progression of our society as a whole.

I think progression itself poses a threat to the progression of our society as a whole.

Regardless of what you think about muslims (and I disagree with you, btw, but we'll leave that for another debate), they're actually replicating.
Meanwhile, in the more "progressive" parts of the world(read: the west), people aren't even reproducing, with their own "progressive" ideas (feminism, widespread promotion of contraception, delayed parenthood, etc) largely at the root of the problem. It's their own progress and adherence to more progressive ideas that's actually slowly killing them off. The only groups within these societies still maintaining decent fertility rates are the more conservative ones (Muslims in Europe and religious conservatives living in more "red" states/regions in the USA). The more progressive (and often more highly educated) populaces don't even replace themselves.

At the end of the day, that self-imposed lack of reproduction is a far bigger threat to progressive society and any future progress it wishes to make than any foreign group could hope to be.

The interesting thing with over population in Islamic countries is that they are going to run into a Malthusian limit soon. Egypt is now overpopulated and can't support its population with rising food prices. Even per capita GDP in Saudi Arabia has decreased in the last few decades because oil revenue is stagnant and population is increasing.

[Gariell]

ao85, Egypt just had a revolution and possibly will have many more in the years to come, and unlike India, it doesn't have a complete slanted ratio of females to males. Compared to any of the sub-continental nations those various Middle Eastern countries will eventually self-correct, and won't have to deal with the much more gigantic shit overpopulation crisis & suffering that's going to come eventually to the Indian continent.

[Spike]

(11-13-2011 07:43 PM)Gmac Wrote:  

Yeah not to get off topic but I agree, islam poses a huge problem in the future for the progression of our society as a whole.

I second that. There are massive immigration problems in Europe and its mostly because people from Muslim countries will A; not adapt to its countries society
B; forcing their midevil culture on to us.
C; huge crime rates. i never read anything about Asian criminals in newspapers/websites. Why , because they don't have a midevil religion, work hard and try to adapt to their new surrounding including learning the language.

[DjembaDjemba]

(11-12-2011 10:20 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

The race nazi's PC patrol on this forum is sad. Why are you guys so intolerant?

Ao85 has done nothing wrong and brought a perfectly valid contradiction into existence:

It's okay to bash Indians but no one DARES to bash muslims! (Tuthmosis, Roosh, Athlone, myself, pretty much everyone has made fun of indian "no-game" trolls) We could extend this to other PC protected races as well.

Ao85 pointed out a hypocrisy and people want him banned? Seriously?


Come on, lighten up fellas. This race-PC shit will destroy the forum.

(New computer parts comes this wed... damn can't wait for a keyboard)

Without any form of moderation, every thread could potentially spiral into another race bashing topic.

Heartiste/Roissy's site is a great example, the comment section has become a pretty much no go zone for NAM (non asian minorities).

And it's not even rationality, but simply strength in numbers. For now...


Anyhow, back on topic:


Some think feminism created our demographic replacement problems, not true. It's simply development.


Japan, Singapore, and Taiwan don't have strong feminist culture, their populations are shrinking too.

Japan didn't even have any form of feminist movement, and it's shrinking fastest of all.

Japanese male culture is betaness in it's epitome. No wonder the Japanese are anti immigration. The males there would get crushed in the pussy free market.

On the other hand, 3rd world nations simply grow faster until they reach developing country status, where the health care benefits, the necessity of the dual income, and a myriad of other factors kick in and result in a lower birth rate.

Europe had its peasant population explode rapidly in the 16th-19th centuries. Britain's population was 8 million in 1800, 40 million in 1900. It wasn't the rich breeding...Europe even had the luxury of being able to pump it's excess population to the Americas and still was left with a massive domestic population.

The sky isn't falling guys...we should be happy they're procreating, more pussy in the pussy free market.

Let's call it pussy capital.. or, Pussytal...

Are you a pussy capitalist, or a pussy communist?

[Gariell]

Neil Skywalker, Asians had much more higher crime rates years ago then they did today, although they have figured out how to cover themselves up. The Yakuza shipped several tons of drugs through Hawaii to America during the 80's & 90's, and the triads were a serious problem during that time period to the point that a FBI crackdown ensued. Asians used to live in ghetto's of their own and had trouble/or refused to assimilate into western society but until recently due to better economic conditions they have somehow managed to lift themselves up. Despite their success they still have trouble assimilating, being accepted and a lot of them actually don't want to mix in or identify with western secular thought, unless it fits with their own self-interests. The Muslims that are immigrating to Europe in large numbers don't represent the entirety of the Islamic world. Likewise your point about blending in, at least in the U.S, applies to most groups including Muslims who don't do much and do the exact thing that you just said they are supposed to do. The ignorance in this thread is continuing to astound me.