Quote: (11-10-2011 06:52 AM)Locksmith Wrote:
I basically agree with you guys, but think that the less intelligent have always been and will always be the vast majority of the population anywhere. One of the terms used to decribe the populace by the Romans was "numerarii' which can be freely translated as "belonging to the vast numbers" i.e. people who are only meaningful and representative due to the sheer size of their group, not due to their individual skills and talents.
Even in ancient Athens, at the height of their philosophical and artistic creation, the intellectual elite consisted of less than 3% of the people according to different estimates. And we're talking here, arguably, about one of the highest concentrations of geniuses in a single spot at a given time in the history of mankind. Obviously, we can't be sure about the exact figures, but I believe we can agree it was a very small group anyway. In the end it was this 3% that made a difference, not the remaining 97%.
IMO what matters most is the quality of the leadership, "the elite", the minority at the human top, because that directly affects the rest and raises the bar (or lowers it).
You're right. The key issue here, though, is the ratio.
Even if the intellectual elite push their fertility up above replacement level, they'll usually be outnumbered by the "numerarii". We can't alter this.
We can, however, alter the ratio. What we're in danger of now is a widening of the gap in numbers between the numerarii and the elite, who unlike in the majority of times past, are now deliberately failing to replace themselves and sparking a decline in their own population. If they just put their fertility rates up to just above replacement level, we'd be in a good position.
Quote: (11-10-2011 11:58 AM)Tuthmosis Wrote:
Quote: (11-10-2011 02:27 AM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:
Most of our intellectual elite are simply not reproducing in this society. Their birth rates are well below replacement level. Those who lack the same expressed intellectual capacity and resources (our intellectual elite just happen to be our wealthiest, on average) are simply outbreeding everyone.
It's absolutely true. That first twenty minutes or so of Idiocracy really illustrates the problem cogently.
Assuming that we have something to contribute to the genetic pool, I sometimes wonder how guys like us can knock up a few bitches without all the burdens and risks (discussed at great length in other threads), for the betterment of mankind.
Probably best to do it abroad.
Option 1: Sperm Banks. Donate as much and as often as you can before you hit your late 30's. There is great potential to sire 20+ children this way.
Option 2: Go abroad. This is the best option if you want to do it the natural way. Go to societies where a) children are still considered a blessing and young women want them early (one thing with more educated American women is that they tend to wait until the last second before going for the kid thing, flirting around or working like slaves in their prime and trying to procreate at 30-35-that ain't my cup of tea), b) the laws aren't aggressively anti-male and c) achieving good living standards costs far less relative to Western standards (so you can support many children easily).
Option 2 is my preferred choice, but I plan on exercising Option 1 as well.
As for the Idiocracy, the worst part about it all is that our intellectual (and, usually, socio-economic) elite who are refusing to push their fertility rate above replacement level think they're being more moral by doing so, calling it "responsibility".
It is absurd. Western nations are facing a population shortage-they need MORE babies, not less.
That, and these are the people most able to a) breed smarter kids, b) teach these kids valuable lessons and provide them with awareness needed to solve the "big issues" these people claim to be dealing with by not reproducing (ex: climate change) and c) give kids a good, stable upbringing (due to their material wealth and access to resources).
Bottomline: More kids from these socio-economic elites could equal a better proportion of smart, more aware, stable and well-raised children in the next generation. It is irresponsible, one could argue, for these people NOT to reproduce. More kids like that could go a long way to creating the "better world" these people spend so much time arguing for.
Instead, they allow themselves to be outbred by people who don't give a crap about the issues they're fighting for (or possess the resources/knowledge to deal with them)...while claiming that this is a way to solve the issues they are fighting for...yeah.
On second thought, maybe they aren't that bright after all...
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