[soup]

I'm having trouble justifying using something like asking a girl about her pen, (or ipod or whatever) to cold open. It seems like it could work as an ice breaker if it's obvious that she's into you, but doesn't it come off as try hard or DLV to ask questions about such obvious things? I sometimes feel like the girls where I live try to hide these little things that can be talked about because they are getting hit on so often.

[Jack D. Serrano]

Lots of varying opinions out there on what to do.

I'll share what works most efficiently for myself (helps me identify women who I share chemistry with), my venue choices (street/daily life) and my goals with women (meet, date and keep high value women).

A simple, "Hi. What's your name?"
or,
"Hey, how ya doin?"

That's it.

I don't care about her pen. I don't care about her ipod. All I care about is meeting this girl to find out if we share chemistry. This works for me. Try it for yourself, along with the recommendations of other people around here.

Can you say other things? Sure. You can say anything you want.

If there is chemistry between you, and she likes the image you present, she won't really care what you say (caveat for being a total idiot, which most people aren't).

There are other things you can say to her that will get more women to stop and talk to you, but if results, efficiency and simplicity are things you value, a simple "Hi" or "Hey, what's your name?" does the job well.

Interestingly, when you test using a large amount of data, approaching without using an excuse (except for the fact that you want to meet her) against approaching women by using an excuse to talk to her, if you keep all other variables the same, your ratio of women you date (or whatever your goals are) to number of women approached will actually stay about the same. But you end up saving a lot of time and stress by cutting out lots of wasted time talking to uninterested women who think you're just a random guy asking for directions or whatever (so much time and energy saved, in fact, that guys can usually increase their desired results massively). Think 80-20 principle in action. 80% of results tend to come from 20% of work.

Get out there and start conversations. That's the important thing.
Talk to A LOT of women, track your results, record your statistics, variables, see what works for you, see what doesn't, etc.
That will teach you most of what you want to learn, without having to rely on the advice of others.

[soup]

(10-27-2011 01:18 AM)Jack D. Serrano Wrote:  

Lots of varying opinions out there on what to do.

I'll share what works most efficiently for myself (helps me identify women who I share chemistry with), my venue choices (street/daily life) and my goals with women (meet, date and keep high value women).

A simple, "Hi. What's your name?"
or,
"Hey, how ya doin?"

That's it.

I don't care about her pen. I don't care about her ipod. All I care about is meeting this girl to find out if we share chemistry. This works for me. Try it for yourself, along with the recommendations of other people around here.

Can you say other things? Sure. You can say anything you want.

If there is chemistry between you, and she likes the image you present, she won't really care what you say (caveat for being a total idiot, which most people aren't).

There are other things you can say to her that will get more women to stop and talk to you, but if results, efficiency and simplicity are things you value, a simple "Hi" or "Hey, what's your name?" does the job well.

Interestingly, when you test using a large amount of data, approaching without using an excuse (except for the fact that you want to meet her) against approaching women by using an excuse to talk to her, if you keep all other variables the same, your ratio of women you date (or whatever your goals are) to number of women approached will actually stay about the same. But you end up saving a lot of time and stress by cutting out lots of wasted time talking to uninterested women who think you're just a random guy asking for directions or whatever (so much time and energy saved, in fact, that guys can usually increase their desired results massively). Think 80-20 principle in action. 80% of results tend to come from 20% of work.

Get out there and start conversations. That's the important thing.
Talk to A LOT of women, track your results, record your statistics, variables, see what works for you, see what doesn't, etc.
That will teach you most of what you want to learn, without having to rely on the advice of others.

"Hi. What's your name?"
or,
"Hey, how ya doin?"

That's it.

These are pretty direct because you are showing a lot of investment off the bat. I'm talking about getting indirect openers that don't seem like they are trying too hard to be non-challant. I'm looking for more of these: if she's listening to her ipod, and you want to know what she's listening to, or asking her about the book she's reading.

I guess if she has some kind of special pen it's justified.

[Roosh]

How many times have you actually used it to judge whether it "works" or not?

A problem I see is guys try something 3 times, find it's not as easy as they thought, then are ready to try something else.

[Brian]

you know whats funny? i was sitting in a coffee shop last week and this old lady started w/the elderly routine withe a guy sitting near me and in happened exactly like Roosh described. all the sudden it made perfect sense

[Roosh]

Quote:

you know whats funny? i was sitting in a coffee shop last week and this old lady started w/the elderly routine withe a guy sitting near me and in happened exactly like Roosh described. all the sudden it made perfect sense

I copied them, added Galnuc, then

[Brian]

(10-28-2011 08:32 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

Quote:

you know whats funny? i was sitting in a coffee shop last week and this old lady started w/the elderly routine withe a guy sitting near me and in happened exactly like Roosh described. all the sudden it made perfect sense

I copied them, added Galnuc, then

i dont even remember what the subject of the questions was, i think it was the paper the girl was reading or something, but she just kept on babbling and answering questions, then slowly the answers got longer and longer and 'target' started with questions of her own.

[babelfish669]

OP, first of all your attitude is completely wrong. You don't talk to a girl because she's in to you, you talk to her to get her in to you. If you are completely repulsive and girls run away when you approach then you need to fix that.

One thing I started doing after reading Day Bang was take the attitude of "I am completely lost and barely know what I'm doing." In the past I've been the kind of stereotypical dude that gets lost and then doesn't ask anyone for directions.

Being concerned about your appearance or status when you are day gaming will really fuck you up. Once your lost or confused, you suddenly aren't concerned about that anymore. One of my friends has a technique where he will yell at a girl calling her some made up name, and then act all embarrassed that he mistook her for someone else. It works. With that shift in attitude your going to stop cock blocking yourself.

[muc]

Last evening an old guy came up to me at the train station and interviewed me about my Kindle. Wether it has Internet and how to download books on to it ("Do I need a special cable?"). If it is possible to watch movies or listen to the radio with it. It took about 10 minutes.

Funnily enough it put me into a very social mood and as I stepped on my train I opened a girl reading a magazine with "Is this a good magazine?" and eventually got her number.

So yeah, don't worry, OP. Just go ahead. Worst thing is she'll think you're a retard. And who the fuck cares if that happens.

[Samseau]

(10-27-2011 10:26 PM)Brian Wrote:  

you know whats funny? i was sitting in a coffee shop last week and this old lady started w/the elderly routine withe a guy sitting near me and in happened exactly like Roosh described. all the sudden it made perfect sense

You know what's even funnier?


I was walking through a mall, looking at my cell phone, when an old woman came up to me and asked, 'Excuse me, is that a good cell phone?'

I was like, "ROOSH WTF?"

[drymarro]

(12-08-2011 12:05 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(10-27-2011 10:26 PM)Brian Wrote:  

you know whats funny? i was sitting in a coffee shop last week and this old lady started w/the elderly routine withe a guy sitting near me and in happened exactly like Roosh described. all the sudden it made perfect sense

You know what's even funnier?


I was walking through a mall, looking at my cell phone, when an old woman came up to me and asked, 'Excuse me, is that a good cell phone?'

I was like, "ROOSH WTF?"

The old ladies are reading Day Bang as well. Heck they want some action too!

[Parlay44]

Try this one, "Excuse me ...are you in line?" Works great at the supermarket deli, checkout line and in line at fast food.

[drymarro]

(01-30-2012 02:38 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

Try this one, "Excuse me ...are you in line?" Works great at the supermarket deli, checkout line and in line at fast food.

Just curious.. how do you usually follow up on that? I got a few ideas but just interested in what you say.

[dk902]

"Excuse me are those ipods any good?"

"I'm thinking about getting one but I'm just not convinced. I'm not buying into the hype, but I fear I might end up caving in eventually."

You can then joke around saying you prefer grammar phones to listen to music and ipods are an offence on the ears.

"Excuse me do you write a lot?"

"Well I write a lot and when I write long essays I find some pens really hurt my hands, could you recommend a good one?"

You could follow it on by saying that your 'writers block' is when your hand seizes up because you have a crappy pen, and not your mind!

[Parlay44]

(01-31-2012 11:26 AM)drymarro Wrote:  

(01-30-2012 02:38 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

Try this one, "Excuse me ...are you in line?" Works great at the supermarket deli, checkout line and in line at fast food.

Just curious.. how do you usually follow up on that? I got a few ideas but just interested in what you say.

It doesn't really matter. It's all about the almighty ramble

At the Deli I'd prolly say "Why don't you go in front of me ...You only have a few items".

Just spark up a conversation. "I'm thinking about getting the honey turkey"
"It's on sale this week ...have you tried it?"

In the check out line you can say "Which aisle did you find that" "I went around the whole store twice looking for it".

I stopped using a shopping cart. I just grab a basket and go. I go like 4 times a week to increase my exposure. Best time to go is between 12 and 2 on Sundays. Everyone is always dressed up. I assume they're coming from church. Dress your best and hit up the supermarkets!!

[drymarro]

(01-31-2012 08:36 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

(01-31-2012 11:26 AM)drymarro Wrote:  

(01-30-2012 02:38 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

Try this one, "Excuse me ...are you in line?" Works great at the supermarket deli, checkout line and in line at fast food.

Just curious.. how do you usually follow up on that? I got a few ideas but just interested in what you say.

It doesn't really matter. It's all about the almighty ramble

At the Deli I'd prolly say "Why don't you go in front of me ...You only have a few items".

Just spark up a conversation. "I'm thinking about getting the honey turkey"
"It's on sale this week ...have you tried it?"

In the check out line you can say "Which aisle did you find that" "I went around the whole store twice looking for it".

I stopped using a shopping cart. I just grab a basket and go. I go like 4 times a week to increase my exposure. Best time to go is between 12 and 2 on Sundays. Everyone is always dressed up. I assume they're coming from church. Dress your best and hit up the supermarkets!!

nice. I'm going to hit up a supermarket this weekend. Thanks for the advice.

[BadgerHut]

(10-28-2011 08:32 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

Quote:

you know whats funny? i was sitting in a coffee shop last week and this old lady started w/the elderly routine withe a guy sitting near me and in happened exactly like Roosh described. all the sudden it made perfect sense

I copied them, added Galnuc, then

How did you come up with galnuc?