[Dash Global]

Speakeasy,

I wouldnt really say that the entertainment industry doesnt "want" dark skinned women as there is def dark skinned women in the biz. They want/prefer talented AND/OR fine women period. And we have already determined that there is attractive chicks from every skin color. Attractiveness / beauty is not bound by skin color. What it does show is that there is a HUGE discrepancy between the number of hot dark black skinned females compared to their lighter counter parts. This is clearly proven when no one can name one hot dark skinned woman in the biz, and like I said even if you do manage to find one, I can counter with 3 hot light - brown skinned ladies for every 1 dark black skin lady you can find. The numbers and percentages are what they are. Male perceptions and preferences are what they are and unfortunately the darker women come out on the wrong end of the stick.

[Jason Zee]

(10-23-2011 08:51 PM)Dash Global Wrote:  

Speakeasy,

I wouldnt really say that the entertainment industry doesnt "want" dark skinned women as there is def dark skinned women in the biz. They want/prefer talented AND/OR fine women period. And we have already determined that there is attractive chicks from every skin color. Attractiveness / beauty is not bound by skin color. What it does show is that there is a HUGE discrepancy between the number of hot dark black skinned females compared to their lighter counter parts. This is clearly proven when no one can name one hot dark skinned woman in the biz, and like I said even if you do manage to find one, I can counter with 3 hot light - brown skinned ladies for every 1 dark black skin lady you can find. The numbers and percentages are what they are. Male perceptions and preferences are what they are and unfortunately the darker women come out on the wrong end of the stick.

[Dash Global]

(10-23-2011 10:58 PM)Jason Zee Wrote:  

(10-23-2011 08:51 PM)Dash Global Wrote:  

Speakeasy,

I wouldnt really say that the entertainment industry doesnt "want" dark skinned women as there is def dark skinned women in the biz. They want/prefer talented AND/OR fine women period. And we have already determined that there is attractive chicks from every skin color. Attractiveness / beauty is not bound by skin color. What it does show is that there is a HUGE discrepancy between the number of hot dark black skinned females compared to their lighter counter parts. This is clearly proven when no one can name one hot dark skinned woman in the biz, and like I said even if you do manage to find one, I can counter with 3 hot light - brown skinned ladies for every 1 dark black skin lady you can find. The numbers and percentages are what they are. Male perceptions and preferences are what they are and unfortunately the darker women come out on the wrong end of the stick.

Jason, my man. Can you not read or do you just have nothing of value to say? You should take notes from other posters like Speakeasy.

Read / Look.

(10-23-2011 01:10 AM)Dash Global Wrote:  

Jason Zee,

How about trying to break down my posts and offer legit rebuttals and less of the

"he must be black" or "stop trolling" or "get a life" ect.

Then maybe I can help you understand what ever it is that is blind to you.

[speakeasy]

(10-23-2011 06:20 PM)drymarro Wrote:  

^^ I've lived in America for my whole life but have traveled to Italy, Paris, Poland, Canada, Czech, Dominican Republic.. and everywhere black chicks are just plain ugly. Sure there are exceptions.. but there always are. I find filipinos 3x hotter than black people and they are not white like I am.

-Don't pull the "what you think is attractive isn't the same for the rest of the world.. what you mean Africa?
so why is it that these men are going after white women? lol.
black women are simply ugly... it's proven. get over it.

If the best you can add to the discussion is "black women are ugly because I say they are", please find another thread to contribute to, because you are adding no value to this discussion here. This was a pretty cerebral debate until you showed up.

dash global Wrote:

Speakeasy,

I wouldnt really say that the entertainment industry doesnt "want" dark skinned women as there is def dark skinned women in the biz. They want/prefer talented AND/OR fine women period. And we have already determined that there is attractive chicks from every skin color.

Lighter skinned blacks have always had more privilege in society than darker blacks. This is a tradition that goes back to slavery where mulatto blacks were allowed to work in the big house while the "darkies" had to stay in the cotton field. Darker blacks look more threatening to whites, more alien, they are less able to identify with them. Having a significant amount of white blood makes them more acceptable. This whole racial caste system was/is much more entrenched in S. America where you don't see black people in TV and movies AT ALL, whether they are light, dark, good looking or ugly unless they are playing maids. It's just that we've made more progress here, though we're not perfect.

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Attractiveness / beauty is not bound by skin color. What it does show is that there is a HUGE discrepancy between the number of hot dark black skinned females compared to their lighter counter parts.

It may be that there are more numerous numbers of light skinned black women than dark. However just on the streets, I certainly see attractive dark women. The black woman's main problem in my opinion isn't looks, it's obesity rates and the attitudes.

When you're talking about the biz, it's also about marketability and who is buying the movie tickets. If you took two actresses being auditioned for a romantic comedy, one of them Halle Berry and another actress who was just as attractive, but very dark skinned, Halle Berry is going to have the advantage because the white audience will be able to better relate to light skinned black actress.

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This is clearly proven when no one can name one hot dark skinned woman in the biz,

Well I can't come up with any names of hot Asian female actresses either, but that doesn't mean there are no hot Asian females. It just means that they have no made a breakthrough in the business. Not that they don't exist. And even with Latinas, I can only name about 5 of them right off the top of my head. But we can name white actresses endlessly. And I know you aren't going to claim there's no hot Latin women.

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and like I said even if you do manage to find one, I can counter with 3 hot light - brown skinned ladies for every 1 dark black skin lady you can find. The numbers and percentages are what they are. Male perceptions and preferences are what they are and unfortunately the darker women come out on the wrong end of the stick.

You seem to be operating under the premise that the entertainment industry is a complete meritocracy. Or that race and skin color in and of themselves play no role in who gets cast for parts. I don't mind the notion that black women with some mixture are more attractive(even white British find mixed people most attractive of all according to that study above), it's arguably true when you consider that they are closer to the human mean as I discussed above. Personally I agree and find mulatto women more attractive than both the average white and average black woman. What I take exception to is this dumping on dark skin black people and implying that any attractive person that is dark is a fluke of chance. I used to know this quite attractive dark skin black girl and she had to put up with that bullshit all the time, people saying "you're pretty for someone so dark" as if the two were mutually exclusive.

As Abagond noted in this blog entry, consider the fact that racism is probably making black people seem less attractive than they are in reality. And making whites more attractive than they are in reality. I'll offer a few examples of what I mean:

A totally hot black chic(by anyone's standards) could walk by a group of white men hanging out on the street and it would be as if she is invisible. They won't even notice her, just due to being black. Like her being black in and of itself disqualifies her from even being considered as someone to approach. I've seen this many times.

You can have some homely ass British chics go somewhere like Peru or Brazil and they will treat them like princesses. They will be able to date guys way better looking than they are just because they are white regardless of looks. I think for many people in places like Latin America, white skin is a form of beer goggles that makes even an ugly white chic look a few points better than she is in reality. And in the converse, a decent looking black guy with a Wesley Snipes complexion will have to work harder than an ugly white guy with blond hair to get the same result.

Another thing I notice is that this anti-black woman sentiment amongst white males seems to be strongest in N. America. Most interracial relationships in America are between black men and white women. But in Europe it's about 50/50 with as many white men with black women as the reverse. I also clearly observed this too, and many of those women are African immigrants and often quite darker than the black women I'm used to seeing in the states. European white men seem much more accepting of the way black women look. Recently I met this British black girl, her parents are Ghanian and she would definitely fit your definition of black skinned. She was telling me about her recent experience in Italy and how she couldn't walk down the street without being approached relentlessly. Funny thing too is that while she was here in California, she met some Italian guy(who was fairly decent looking) who lives here and spent a few days with him. He approached her. Yet I'm sure 99% N. American white guys wouldn't even consider approaching her because of her color. Every time I meet a black girl that's been to Italy I always ask them how they were treated by the men and they all have said the same thing, "OMG, I was hit on nonstop." Also consider that there are tens of thousands of W. African prostitutes in Italy, so someone must enjoy fucking them. Black women do pretty well in France as well as Scandinavian countries and Germany too. They are not utterly ignored by white males like in N. America. So I bring this up just to keep some global perspective. What a black woman in America experiences may be entirely different than what she would experience in Italy, England or Sweden as far as receptiveness of the men.

[scorpio]

(10-23-2011 11:52 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

You seem to be operating under the premise that the entertainment industry is a complete meritocracy.

Taking a look at this high-priced talent without their painted shells will clearly show that the entertainment industry is no meritocracy.

Have a look here:
http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/galler...akeup.html

What qualifies some of these girls with their makeup as supermodels... is beyond me.

[speakeasy]

(10-24-2011 12:44 AM)scorpio Wrote:  

(10-23-2011 11:52 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

You seem to be operating under the premise that the entertainment industry is a complete meritocracy.

Taking a look at this high-priced talent without their painted shells will clearly show that the entertainment industry is no meritocracy.

Have a look here:
http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/galler...akeup.html

What qualifies some of these girls with their makeup as supermodels... is beyond me.

I've seen some of these sites before. If there was no such things as cosmetics and hair stylists, virtually no woman on earth would be above a 7. A 7 would become the new 10.

[Dash Global]

Interesting points speakeasy, I'm at work so I'll have to wait till I get off to break down your long post.

[scorpio]

(10-24-2011 01:00 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

I've seen some of these sites before. If there was no such things as cosmetics and hair stylists, virtually no woman on earth would be above a 7. A 7 would become the new 10.

Some of those girls are downright ugly without makeup, far below a 7.0.

And some of those girls look pretty damn good even without makeup.

[Tuthmosis]

   

[Moma]

speakeasy brings up several strong and valid points. Dash only speaks from an American perspective. Now that you travel Dash, you shouldn't be so jaded.

I grew up in Europe and his point about the dark skin lizards Ghanians is spot on.

Also Italians love black women. I don't know a single black woman who goes to Italy who doesn't have a good time.

It's almost like a Medellin or DR for lizards probably with reverse P4P.

[Dash Global]

(10-23-2011 11:52 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Lighter skinned blacks have always had more privilege in society than darker blacks. This is a tradition that goes back to slavery where mulatto blacks were allowed to work in the big house while the "darkies" had to stay in the cotton field. Darker blacks look more threatening to whites, more alien, they are less able to identify with them. Having a significant amount of white blood makes them more acceptable. This whole racial caste system was/is much more entrenched in S. America where you don't see black people in TV and movies AT ALL, whether they are light, dark, good looking or ugly unless they are playing maids. It's just that we've made more progress here, though we're not perfect.

Attractive women / people in general have always had more privilege in society past, present and future.. That goes for every race. Two white women walk into a job interview with equal qualifications (lets assume its a male doing the hiring) the more attractive white women will get hired almost everytime! Im sure the mulattos were more attractive to the slave owners so why not have them in the house for easier access for sexual pleasures.

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It may be that there are more numerous numbers of light skinned black women than dark. However just on the streets, I certainly see attractive dark women. The black woman's main problem in my opinion isn't looks, it's obesity rates and the attitudes.

I certainty dont agree with this. Every where ive been light skin women are the minority when compared to their brown and black counter parts.

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When you're talking about the biz, it's also about marketability and who is buying the movie tickets. If you took two actresses being auditioned for a romantic comedy, one of them Halle Berry and another actress who was just as attractive, but very dark skinned, Halle Berry is going to have the advantage because the white audience will be able to better relate to light skinned black actress.

This goes back to what I said earlier. If you give me two hb8's. One light skinned and one black skinned (remb both are hb8's) Im gonna pick the light skinned one EVERY time out of preference which im sure 90% of men would do. So that is no surprise why Halle Berry would get picked over the other hot dark skinned women. To flip is around and look at it on the other side, lets say you have 2 dudes. Both dudes are equally attractive(both 8's) facially and body wise. But one dude has brown hair and the other dude had dark hair. The brown hair guy is 5'10 and the dark haired guy is 6'2. Who do you think is gonna be picked / preferred? The "tall dark and handsome" guy. Same concept.

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Well I can't come up with any names of hot Asian female actresses either, but that doesn't mean there are no hot Asian females. It just means that they have no made a breakthrough in the business. Not that they don't exist. And even with Latinas, I can only name about 5 of them right off the top of my head. But we can name white actresses endlessly. And I know you aren't going to claim there's no hot Latin women.

This isnt Asia. If you lived in Korea or Japan you would be able to name plenty of hot Asian actresses. I can name hot latin actresses.

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You seem to be operating under the premise that the entertainment industry is a complete meritocracy. Or that race and skin color in and of themselves play no role in who gets cast for parts. I don't mind the notion that black women with some mixture are more attractive(even white British find mixed people most attractive of all according to that study above), it's arguably true when you consider that they are closer to the human mean as I discussed above. Personally I agree and find mulatto women more attractive than both the average white and average black woman. What I take exception to is this dumping on dark skin black people and implying that any attractive person that is dark is a fluke of chance. I used to know this quite attractive dark skin black girl and she had to put up with that bullshit all the time, people saying "you're pretty for someone so dark" as if the two were mutually exclusive.

It does play a role, but there is actresses and singers of EVERY color so you cant use that as an excuse. I dont think anyone is claiming that every black women is ugly or that it is a fluke for one to look good. They just got the wrong end of the stick in the looks department. Black women have alot more to overcome to be deemed attractive Universally. The darker the skin the more harder it gets to reach that hb8 level. Simply because the numbers are against those women. It is sort of like a guy from Korea having a big dick. Its just rare, and there isnt any thing they can do about it because it is genetics.

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A totally hot black chic(by anyone's standards) could walk by a group of white men hanging out on the street and it would be as if she is invisible. They won't even notice her, just due to being black. Like her being black in and of itself disqualifies her from even being considered as someone to approach. I've seen this many times.

I dont buy that. This is year 2011 not 1935. Im white and come from the conservative bible belt south and there isnt no racism going on to alter a guys perception of attractiveness. All of my white friends me included would smash a fine black chick at the drop of hat.

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Another thing I notice is that this anti-black woman sentiment amongst white males seems to be strongest in N. America. Most interracial relationships in America are between black men and white women. But in Europe it's about 50/50 with as many white men with black women as the reverse. I also clearly observed this too, and many of those women are African immigrants and often quite darker than the black women I'm used to seeing in the states. European white men seem much more accepting of the way black women look. Recently I met this British black girl, her parents are Ghanian and she would definitely fit your definition of black skinned. She was telling me about her recent experience in Italy and how she couldn't walk down the street without being approached relentlessly. Funny thing too is that while she was here in California, she met some Italian guy(who was fairly decent looking) who lives here and spent a few days with him. He approached her. Yet I'm sure 99% N. American white guys wouldn't even consider approaching her because of her color. Every time I meet a black girl that's been to Italy I always ask them how they were treated by the men and they all have said the same thing, "OMG, I was hit on nonstop." Also consider that there are tens of thousands of W. African prostitutes in Italy, so someone must enjoy fucking them. Black women do pretty well in France as well as Scandinavian countries and Germany too. They are not utterly ignored by white males like in N. America. So I bring this up just to keep some global perspective. What a black woman in America experiences may be entirely different than what she would experience in Italy, England or Sweden as far as receptiveness of the men.

Like I said I aint buying all this anti-black women sentiment your trying to convey atleast with white men. Now I do agree that there is STRONG anti-black male sentiment with middle - upper class white women. And It aint all about racism either. Most white women simply are not attracted to the average black men. (Black men are not helping their cause either. Black men have to dress, have their hair a certain way, along with acting a certain way to even have a chance at getting with most white women). Although I will say this, white guys are not gonna be approaching black women even if they find them attractive. Kind of hard for me to explain why, but I will give it a shot. African American women have a nasty reputation with their attitudes. White guys know this. And most white guys will assume a African American women will want a black male. On top of that white guys might not feel comfortable being seen when its OBVIOUS they are hitting on / trying to pick up a black chick. And obviously the white male will still prefer the lighter skinned woman any way even though he may think that black chick is hot. Its a complex issue with many variables.

[UrbanNerd]

Dash Global,

I am not trying to pile it on, but to use the entertainment industry as a crutch for a debate really weakens your argument. It's almost like saying this hip-hop or rock song is better than the other because it SOLD the most copies.

I have absolutely no problem how some feels and generalizes about the looks of a certain group of folks, but PLEASE use something other than mainstream media as the supporting evidence.

[The Lesser Evil]

(10-23-2011 04:03 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(10-23-2011 02:25 AM)Dash Global Wrote:  

If skin color has no correlation to looks than how do you answer/explain the question of why is there FAR more attractive light skinned and brown girls when compared to their dark black counterparts?

One theory is that lighter skin black women are closer to the human mean. Remember that post I made a few weeks ago in the anything else forum showing composite images of women's faces from the around the world? They layered photos of random women from each country until they merged into one face. But an odd thing started to happen. The more faces they merged, the more attractive that face became. So that the composite image of 100 random British women for example looks far more attractive than what the average British woman looks like, and that's because the more faces and features you blend, the closer the composite moves towards a human mean. Then there are all kinds of psycho-evolutionary theories behind that where we are programmed to seek out partners who represents genes from the mean as they will be the most robust and diversied in order to ensure survival. I would say most people find more mixed black women more attractive on average than a sub-saharan African woman because they are closer to the human mean and thus become more attractive. But it's not just black women, lots of mixed women tend to be more attractive/exotic and are sought after. Why are so many guys here talking about Brazil and Colombia where hundreds of years of crossbreeding between European, African and Native blood has produced a mix of people? And I'm convinced that one of the reasons so many guys find Ukrainian women better looking than British women is because Ukraine sits at the genetic crossroads. People in that region have had inflow from the Mongols, the middle east, Europe, Anatolia. That whole region is home to a lot of attractive women. I don't think being of white skin alone is enough to make someone attractive, because I think British women are busted as hell. I think the more isolated a human population is, the further they drift from the human mean and the more they are considered unattractive to others. That's why Ethiopian black women are more favored than the Alek Wek Sudanese types and they live practically next door to each other. So attractiveness means closer to the human mean. So that's my theory on all this. Oh, and some may say, why are blonde Scandinavian women so highly sought after and they don't seem to have any mixture in their history. To that I admit I don't have a good answer. Personally I'm not more attracted to blondes than any other type of women. For some reason many men fetishize them and I don't know why. I think the world has basically been programmed to find blond women beautiful, even when they aren't beautiful, it's like they get bonus points just for having yellow hair. Then porn and Playboy has played a big role in training men around the world to fetishize the blond and make her the ultimate prize. Honestly I don't see what the big deal is about them. When it comes to white women I'm way more drawn to the dark haired women with dark eyes and Mediterranean features.

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So you answer this with simply its an illusion created by social programming? ie We are lead to think a certain "thing" is attractive.

Even with that argument / rebuttal who is to say the REASON for the social programming is simply because THAT IS whats more attractive?

I don't know. What it all comes back to at a fundamental level is that we're programmed to seek reproduction with women who have indicators of good genes and that will pass on DNA with a high likelihood of survial. Sometimes things like racism, class, religion and other stuff short-circuits our programming. We're not entirely instinctual. Though there is some evidence that racism may be an inborn trait. White babies start showing racial biases before they are even a year old. I'd like to see the same study on children of other races for comparison. Maybe black babies are biased toward blacks, or maybe they are biased against blacks? Who knows, they need to try it on kids of other races as well. Here's the study:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/20...inate.html

And here's a study from the UK supporting the theory of the genetic mean = more attractive/more likely to succeed: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/a...study.html

Man, careful be about taking study as anything more theories that many times are used to mask someone agenda and extreme biased. They often contradict one another too. For instance, there was a study done earlier this past summer that said Black men were more attractive that other men and Black women where less attractive than other women. The data used to conduct that study shown to be extremely faulty. As for the study saying that mixed race people are more attractive, well their was also another study done 2 years ago that said mixed people had more psychological and drug problems due to their inability to fit easily with Blacks or Whites. You have to keep in mind pseudo science has been used to mask racist ideas for roughly 250 years. These ideas are still alive and well in academia. I believe truth is that in the Western world mixed raced women are the closer to "somatic norm image" thus closer to the ideal and more accessible to the masses.

[The Lesser Evil]

(10-23-2011 02:19 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

The irony of all this arguing over what skin color is better is that skin color was never even intended to be a marker of beauty in any way. It was just an adaptation to living in an environment with a stronger sun. Just your body's way of stopping you from getting skin cancer. People in the equatorial region needed more melanin protection and less vitamin D, people in Eurasia needed less melanin with the weaker sun and more vitamin D. It's really no more complicated than that. Yet we humans have assigned all this social value and worth to it. It's really strange when you sit down and think about it.

Why is it you understand this, but so many others don't? Thewhole skin color thing is a learned evaluation. Simple and plan.

[JayMillz]

I tend to find dark women more attractive in or from other parts of the world than African America women. I'm not quite sure why, but maybe it's because culturally they offer me something different than the typical flavor I'm used to with African American women. It's more about that than just looks. However, I do notice that a lot of African American women wear fake hair and I'm not a big fan of that. Seeing African American women sporting blonde hair, especially wigs, also isn't big on my list.

Here is a girl I find attractive. I've danced with her a few times and her personality and smile are fantastic. She lives in Paris.

[The Lesser Evil]

(10-23-2011 06:20 PM)drymarro Wrote:  

^^ I've lived in America for my whole life but have traveled to Italy, Paris, Poland, Canada, Czech, Dominican Republic.. and everywhere black chicks are just plain ugly. Sure there are exceptions.. but there always are. I find filipinos 3x hotter than black people and they are not white like I am.

-Don't pull the "what you think is attractive isn't the same for the rest of the world.. what you mean Africa?
so why is it that these men are going after white women? lol.
black women are simply ugly... it's proven. get over it.

I can almost sense the anger this post. It hones in directly on another point I've been trying to make: MOST racism is sexual in nature. This why emotions erupt like this so often.

[Yams]

I find it funny that when someone posts a picture of a hot black chick they would bang, 9 times out of 10 the girl is actually mulatto. It should be ok to say that the physical features of a particular race just doesn't appeal to you sexually.

[Jason Zee]

(10-24-2011 12:31 PM)Yams Wrote:  

I find it funny that when someone posts a picture of a hot black chick they would bang, 9 times out of 10 the girl is actually mulatto. It should be ok to say that the physical features of a particular race just doesn't appeal to you sexually.

Can you please point out to me hot black women that were actually mulattos posted in this thread?

[speakeasy]

Dash, I think this will be my last round here with you because at this point we're running in circles.

(10-24-2011 08:22 AM)Dash Global Wrote:  

Attractive women / people in general have always had more privilege in society past, present and future..

Once again you basically pulling out the meritocracy argument. That people are solely being evaluated on their attractiveness and not skin color. Even though I pointed out that you can barely find a brown face on Latin American television despite the fact that there are many beautiful brown and black women in Latin America. You can't seem to wrap your head around the fact that there is real discrimination against people who are dark, even when attractive. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

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That goes for every race. Two white women walk into a job interview with equal qualifications (lets assume its a male doing the hiring) the more attractive white women will get hired almost everytime! Im sure the mulattos were more attractive to the slave owners so why not have them in the house for easier access for sexual pleasures.

Uh, think about what you just said. There wouldn't even have been any mulattos in the first place if the slavemaster wasn't fucking the dark skinned women. The benefits they had were more about creating a caste system. Throughout the Americans they had all kinds of names for people depending on the level of mixture, mulattos, quadroons, octaroons, etc and each had a legal status with it's own set of social privileges. The pure blacks were to remain the most subjugated.

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I certainty dont agree with this. Every where ive been light skin women are the minority when compared to their brown and black counter parts.

I don't think you understood me. You are replying to something I never even said.

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This goes back to what I said earlier. If you give me two hb8's. One light skinned and one black skinned (remb both are hb8's) Im gonna pick the light skinned one EVERY time out of preference which im sure 90% of men would do. So that is no surprise why Halle Berry would get picked over the other hot dark skinned women. To flip is around and look at it on the other side, lets say you have 2 dudes. Both dudes are equally attractive(both 8's) facially and body wise. But one dude has brown hair and the other dude had dark hair. The brown hair guy is 5'10 and the dark haired guy is 6'2. Who do you think is gonna be picked / preferred? The "tall dark and handsome" guy. Same concept.

I think skin color and height are apples and oranges. Height is attractive in women because women have an innate need to feel protected and they prefer dominant males, who tend to be taller. Skin color doesn't bestow any such indicators, all dark skin indicates is that your ancestors come a part of the world where the sun is strong. Nothing more.

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This isnt Asia. If you lived in Korea or Japan you would be able to name plenty of hot Asian actresses. I can name hot latin actresses.

Yeah, well there's a film industry in Nigeria(Nollywood as it's called) and I'm sure Nigerians can name attractive actors/actresses. I don't know of any myself because I've never seen a Nigerian film.

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It does play a role, but there is actresses and singers of EVERY color so you cant use that as an excuse. I dont think anyone is claiming that every black women is ugly or that it is a fluke for one to look good. They just got the wrong end of the stick in the looks department.

You are essentially saying that there is something inherently flawed in being black and as a black man(and a dark-skinned one at that) I'm never going to agree with that. Once again we'll just have to agree to disagree.

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I dont buy that. This is year 2011 not 1935. Im white and come from the conservative bible belt south and there isnt no racism going on to alter a guys perception of attractiveness. All of my white friends me included would smash a fine black chick at the drop of hat.

Of course you'd smash one in some theoretical situation where you woke up and one was magically laying next to you in bed with her panties down begging for your cock, but I bet if you and your friends were at a bar and a hot dark skinned black girl was sitting by herself in the corner, I doubt you guys would go and approach her or otherwise put any effort into it. That's all I'm saying. I observe social situations carefully. White males(at least in N. America) do not approach black females or even look at them as desired sexual objects, even if they are attractive by any standard. I've seen many situations where I'm standing on the sidewalk where a lot of people are around, a hot black chic walks by with a short skirt and the brothas are all rubber-necking and not one white dude(or Asian dude of course) even noticed her existence. And they damn sure aren't going to approach her, as you said yourself below.

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Although I will say this, white guys are not gonna be approaching black women even if they find them attractive. Kind of hard for me to explain why, but I will give it a shot. African American women have a nasty reputation with their attitudes. White guys know this.

Well according to some of the white guys on this forum that do approach black women, it's said that they give way less attitude to white guys and are pretty open towards them, especially the ones who aren't from the hood.

[Dash Global]

(10-24-2011 12:44 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Once again you basically pulling out the meritocracy argument. That people are solely being evaluated on their attractiveness and not skin color. Even though I pointed out that you can barely find a brown face on Latin American television despite the fact that there are many beautiful brown and black women in Latin America. You can't seem to wrap your head around the fact that there is real discrimination against people who are dark, even when attractive. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Racism still plays ALOT bigger role in Latin America than in the US. Esp in regards to the rich and poor. The rich people in power (whites) def dominant the television in Latin America. Comparing the discrimination that goes on in Latin America and the US is like comparing apples and oranges.

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Uh, think about what you just said. There wouldn't even have been any mulattos in the first place if the slavemaster wasn't fucking the dark skinned women. The benefits they had were more about creating a caste system. Throughout the Americans they had all kinds of names for people depending on the level of mixture, mulattos, quadroons, octaroons, etc and each had a legal status with it's own set of social privileges. The pure blacks were to remain the most subjugated.

You correct, but I wouldnt put ANY stock in a white man fucking a black slave. Men will fuck ANYTHING regardless of whether they think that thing is "attractive" or not. I have fuck plenty of females I was not attracted to. At the same token im sure there was a small % of slave masters that were attracted to their black slave women. I dont really think a memo went around to the white men to fuck black chicks to "create" a caste system.

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I don't think you understood me. You are replying to something I never even said.

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"It may be that there are more numerous numbers of light skinned black women than dark".

I have never been ANYWHERE where the light skinned women outnumbered the black skinned women. Always is the reverse. (I am speaking for state side. There might be some place in another country where this is true.)

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I think skin color and height are apples and oranges. Height is attractive in women because women have an innate need to feel protected and they prefer dominant males, who tend to be taller. Skin color doesn't bestow any such indicators, all dark skin indicates is that your ancestors come a part of the world where the sun is strong. Nothing more.

It isnt apples and oranges if your looking at skin color from an attractiveness standpoint. I think we all can agree lighter skin is viewed generally speaking in the US and in other parts of the world as "more attractive" than darker skin. Same with height for women. Women find taller men more attractive than shorter men. The reasons for why women think this is irrelevant.

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Yeah, well there's a film industry in Nigeria(Nollywood as it's called) and I'm sure Nigerians can name attractive actors/actresses. I don't know of any myself because I've never seen a Nigerian film.

Nigeria isnt the US. Im talking from a US perspective and view point. I dont have a clue what Nigerians find attractive soo I wouldnt even be able to comment on the matter even if I knew some Nigerian actresses. Im asking American men to name me an American hot dark black skinned actress, model, or singer. America where there is women of EVERY color in the entertainment industry. America where there is almost a 50/50 in white people and black people.

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You are essentially saying that there is something inherently flawed in being black and as a black man(and a dark-skinned one at that) I'm never going to agree with that. Once again we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Im not really one for words or sensitivity. The facts ALL point AGAINST your beliefs and towards mine. Men prefer lighter skinned women, lighter skin women dominate the entertainment industry, back women WANTING to be lighter skinned. All the evidence supports the notion that YES being darker is an inherent flaw in regards to attractiveness. This doesnt mean there isnt any hot dark black women. It just means that there is alot bigger mountain to climb for women of darker color to be deemed attractive.

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Of course you'd smash one in some theoretical situation where you woke up and one was magically laying next to you in bed with her panties down begging for your cock, but I bet if you and your friends were at a bar and a hot dark skinned black girl was sitting by herself in the corner, I doubt you guys would go and approach her or otherwise put any effort into it. That's all I'm saying. I observe social situations carefully. White males(at least in N. America) do not approach black females or even look at them as desired sexual objects, even if they are attractive by any standard. I've seen many situations where I'm standing on the sidewalk where a lot of people are around, a hot black chic walks by with a short skirt and the brothas are all rubber-necking and not one white dude(or Asian dude of course) even noticed her existence. And they damn sure aren't going to approach her, as you said yourself below.

Why would we approach a hot black women when there is hot lighter skinned women in the place? (remb most men prefer lighter skinned women) Now if all the lighter skinned women in the place where fat, ugly, deathly skinny then I think / know white men would approach the hot dark black chick sitting alone in the corner.

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Well according to some of the white guys on this forum that do approach black women, it's said that they give way less attitude to white guys and are pretty open towards them, especially the ones who aren't from the hood.

I never said that black women DO or DO NOT give off more attitude / bitch shields. Im only speaking on the white male "perspective" about black women. Whether its true or not is irrelevant.

(10-24-2011 11:38 AM)UrbanNerd Wrote:  

Dash Global,

I am not trying to pile it on, but to use the entertainment industry as a crutch for a debate really weakens your argument. It's almost like saying this hip-hop or rock song is better than the other because it SOLD the most copies.

I have absolutely no problem how some feels and generalizes about the looks of a certain group of folks, but PLEASE use something other than mainstream media as the supporting evidence.

So tell me. How would you determine the genre of music that is "most popular / most preferred" ? Would you not look to see which one SOLD the most copies or sold out the most shows?

Only way for your argument to hold any validity is to show their is no correlation between attractiveness and the main stream media.

And good luck proving or convincing anyone of that.

[speakeasy]

(10-24-2011 07:54 PM)Dash Global Wrote:  

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I don't think you understood me. You are replying to something I never even said.

You said and I quote

"It may be that there are more numerous numbers of light skinned black women than dark".

I have never been ANYWHERE where the light skinned women outnumbered the black skinned women. Always is the reverse. (I am speaking for state side. There might be some place in another country where this is true.)

I see, I must've mistyped. What I meant to say was, ""It may be that there are more numerous numbers of[attractive] light skinned black women than dark". I thought it was obvious from the context, but that's what I meant. My bad.

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America where there is almost a 50/50 in white people and black people.

Actually It's about 13% black, 70-75% white depending on what you define as white(such as Latinos with mostly European blood as is common with Floridian Cubans).

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All the evidence supports the notion that YES being darker is an inherent flaw in regards to attractiveness.

Circular reasoning. X is Y because it is Y. I'm done debating it as there is no way to win with someone who uses circular arguments. It's like trying to find a corner in a round room.

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So tell me. How would you determine the genre of music that is "most popular / most preferred" ? Would you not look to see which one SOLD the most copies or sold out the most shows?

Dude, come on you can't really be this shallow in your thinking. Some of the most ingenious, provocative music and film out there never gets any mainstream traction. Listening to you, I'd have to believe that Justin Bieber is more talented than Miles Davis based solely on album sales.

[Dash Global]

(10-24-2011 08:46 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

I see, I must've mistyped. What I meant to say was, ""It may be that there are more numerous numbers of[attractive] light skinned black women than dark". I thought it was obvious from the context, but that's what I meant. My bad.

Ok this makes alot more sense. And thats the whole point of my argument. I believe there are WAY more attractive light skinned women than dark skinned women numbers/% wise.

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Actually It's about 13% black, 70-75% white depending on what you define as white(such as Latinos with mostly European blood as is common with Floridian Cubans).

In this context im defining white as Caucasian. 13% black? That doesnt sound right. Must be be no blacks outside of the south then lol because almost every city ive been to in the south has had an AA population of roughly 40-50%.

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Circular reasoning. X is Y because it is Y. I'm done debating it as there is no way to win with someone who uses circular arguments. It's like trying to find a corner in a round room.

It would have helped if you addressed each point on the evidence I presented. Just saying circular reasoning doesnt leave me much to address.

I will write it again. So tell me what of the below is FALSE?

"Men prefer lighter skinned women, lighter skin women dominate the entertainment industry, back women WANTING to be lighter skinned"

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Dude, come on you can't really be this shallow in your thinking. Some of the most ingenious, provocative music and film out there never gets any mainstream traction. Listening to you, I'd have to believe that Justin Bieber is more talented than Miles Davis based solely on album sales.

You are confusing popular with equaling the best/most talented. I didnt make that claim. Im only talking about popularity and universal appeal. If only 5 people listen and like one artist out of 100 and the other 95 people like "Justin Beiber" its only logical Justin Beiber is more popular/preferred. Notice I never said most "talent". So you are adding words to my statement to give you something to argue against. You need to address what I actually said/claimed.

[jariel]

(10-24-2011 08:46 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Actually It's about 13% black, 70-75% white depending on what you define as white(such as Latinos with mostly European blood as is common with Floridian Cubans).

Let's be real, Latinos know how much white privilege means in this country, and they've taken advantage of it, but that doesn't mean they are actually "white", or what you've classified as mostly "European".

This society tends to enforce it's one drop rule as it feels necessary, if we really spit the real about how many "black" people are in this country, it's MUCH higher than any reported percentages, because you have a lot of Latinos who are in actuality black, including the ones who pass for white, because they have black ancestry.

The average Cuban person, if they want to be real with you, will tell you they are black or at least speak of their black ancestry.

Come to Miami, and look from behind at all these "white" women, and tell me if what you see is a "white" or mostly European women. Spain was inhabited by the Moors for seven centuries, what they are on the surface and what they are, are two completely different things.

[speakeasy]

(10-24-2011 10:12 PM)jariel Wrote:  

(10-24-2011 08:46 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Actually It's about 13% black, 70-75% white depending on what you define as white(such as Latinos with mostly European blood as is common with Floridian Cubans).

Let's be real, Latinos know how much white privilege means in this country, and they've taken advantage of it, but that doesn't mean they are actually "white", or what you've classified as mostly "European".

This society tends to enforce it's one drop rule as it feels necessary, if we really spit the real about how many "black" people are in this country, it's MUCH higher than any reported percentages, because you have a lot of Latinos who are in actuality black, including the ones who pass for white, because they have black ancestry.

The average Cuban person, if they want to be real with you, will tell you they are black or at least speak of their black ancestry.

Come to Miami, and look from behind at all these "white" women, and tell me if what you see is a "white" or mostly European women. Spain was inhabited by the Moors for seven centuries, what they are on the surface and what they are, are two completely different things.

There is a murky area when involving Hispanics, but Dash's claim that America is 50/50 black and white is way off the mark. If that were the case we wouldn't even qualify as minorities.

[Dash Global]

These % seem crazy to me. 12% black people in the US. Jesus like I said, there must me hardly zero African Americans outside of the South. Never done any research on American demographics. Was just going off of what I see. That is surprising to me though. wow. Thanks for pointing that out.

I stand corrected.