[DLuzhin]

(10-22-2011 11:37 PM)Caligula Wrote:  

Besides the point. Being picky and fucking around are not mutually exclusive.

Slave morality would have everyone dragged down to the level of the least successful. To paraphrase Nietzsche: the beta, by saying that his monogamy is voluntary, avoids facing the uncomfortable truth that it is imposed on him by his lack of options. It is imposed on him by his fear of not being able to do better. The masses don't have options. Because of this they will try to stop you from exercising your own hard won options.

Slave morality is pessimistic and cynical. It's all around us. It smothers excellence and seeks to drag you down to the lowest common denominator. It is embodied in the sarcastic, snivelling beta who cockblocks you. It is perpetuated by your beta friend who secretly denigrates your womanizing because he isn't getting laid. It is perpetuated by the woman of poor character who can't get you to commit to her by her own qualities.

The beta tries to impose his monogamy on his betters, to make fidelity a universal value. To force everyone to join him in his wretched existence. It's the only means the weak have to impose their will on the strong. The poor on the rich. The unattractive on the attractive. Learn to recognise this kind of thinking and avoid its proponents.

If you have the means to fuck around, do it. Recognise why people believe the things they do and realise that they probably don't apply to you.

Apart from this Nietzsche had some keen insights about the sexes. Take a look at the aphorisms on women in The Gay Science and Human, All Too Human.

This is a good summation of Nietzsche's essential premises and I think it also the real draw of all this game shit: it's not the validation from women that is intoxicating, it's the feeling of power that one feels having thrown off the caul of beta/slave morality, habit, and ressintement.

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'If you have the means to fuck around, do it. Recognise why people believe the things they do and realise that they probably don't apply to you.'

However this I do not agree with. If you have sex with a woman outside of your agreed, monogamous relationship, it means you value a woman above your word, you'll yield your word for a brief benefit, and there is nothing holding you together.
Cheating says that you will usurp your own values and agreements in favor of a woman, and that woman is the highest arbiter of value, and that is just plain wrong: women have little awareness of true value. All you got in this world is your balls and your word, you don't break them for nobody.

[Caligula]

(10-23-2011 11:27 AM)DLuzhin Wrote:  

Caligula Wrote:

'If you have the means to fuck around, do it. Recognise why people believe the things they do and realise that they probably don't apply to you.'

However this I do not agree with. If you have sex with a woman outside of your agreed, monogamous relationship, it means you value a woman above your word, you'll yield your word for a brief benefit, and there is nothing holding you together.
Cheating says that you will usurp your own values and agreements in favor of a woman, and that woman is the arbiter of the highest values, and that is just plain wrong: women have little awareness of true value. All you got in this world is your balls and your word, you don't break them for nobody.

Agree with you up to a point. I believe in keeping my word.

In a past LTR I had a don't ask don't tell policy when it came to my infidelities. The relationship was implicitly monogamous. I made it clear that I don't tolerate a girl cheating. However, she also said that she knew I have needs. She understood I was probably going to fuck around, but would I please have the decency to not let her find out about it. Meanwhile she never made an effort to catch me out, which would have been easy in some cases.

You often see this type of arrangement with very powerful men. Look at Dominique Strauss-Kahn; his wife stands by him despite numerous documented infidelities. The ones in the media are probably the tip of the iceberg. They're married so it's implicitly a monogamous relationship. But the wife is realistic enough to know that he will fuck around.

Has he ever promised her that he wouldn't stray? Does he tell her when he strays? Probably not. Is she surprised when she finds out? Certainly not. Does this make him less of a man or less honourable? I don't think so.

[Timoteo]

I recommend that guys cheat. It has nothing to do with whether or not you love your girlfriend/wife - it's about getting your needs taken care of. It can also be about keeping your game tight. It can be about punishing your woman for not treating you right. It can be about simply having an opportunity fall into your lap. I'm not a proponent of confessing to anything either, because most women simply can't live with their man cheating on them, no matter what the reason. Unless you actually want your relationship to end, don't confess to anything.

[Caligula]

(10-23-2011 04:20 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

I recommend that guys cheat. It has nothing to do with whether or not you love your girlfriend/wife - it's about getting your needs taken care of. It can also be about keeping your game tight. It can be about punishing your woman for not treating you right. It can be about simply having an opportunity fall into your lap. I'm not a proponent of confessing to anything either, because most women simply can't live with their man cheating on them, no matter what the reason. Unless you actually want your relationship to end, don't confess to anything.

If she's happy with you most of the time she wil actively be trying to convince herself that you're not cheating. The rationalisation hamster will be working in your favour!

[MikeCF]

(10-23-2011 11:27 AM)DLuzhin Wrote:  

However this I do not agree with. If you have sex with a woman outside of your agreed, monogamous relationship, it means you value a woman above your word, you'll yield your word for a brief benefit, and there is nothing holding you together.

You are not giving a woman your word. You are telling her lies. You owe moral duties only to your equals.