[Hokie30]

Just to add another comment about pipleining I believe it is for "lazy" players who probably value quantity over quality (explains why they send 100s of e-mails). People who do not put in enough effort to learn the local language should definitely stick to Pipelining however in my opinion it is too time consuming and to me time is money. In 10 minutes of face2face conversation I can learn more about a foreign chick than I can in hours of exchanging generic e-mails. IMHO the hottest girls WILL NOT BE FOUND VIA Pipelining. I do not care what city it is in the world, be it DC, NYC, London, or Moscow ( i mention these cause i've been to them) if a chick is good looking and outgoing there is a good chance she will usually be found at a happening club/bar and not spending her friday night in front of the computer chatting with "keyboard warriors".

For example when I look at the chicks on okcupid I am disappointed by what I see vs going to these city's and hitting up the nightlife districts and just doing approaches on the street and at clubs. Now, since my Russian is not 100% fluent I almost always approach in Russian and quickly switch to English, or tell the chick to talk in Russian and answer them in English. It has worked surprisingly well for me so far, thus the reason why i am asking for happening places next time I go to Moscow so I could just post-up and spit "tourist game".

[Brian]

(10-16-2011 07:40 PM)Hokie30 Wrote:  

Just to add another comment about pipleining I believe it is for "lazy" players who probably value quantity over quality (explains why they send 100s of e-mails). People who do not put in enough effort to learn the local language should definitely stick to Pipelining however in my opinion it is too time consuming and to me time is money. In 10 minutes of face2face conversation I can learn more about a foreign chick than I can in hours of exchanging generic e-mails. IMHO the hottest girls WILL NOT BE FOUND VIA Pipelining. I do not care what city it is in the world, be it DC, NYC, London, or Moscow ( i mention these cause i've been to them) if a chick is good looking and outgoing there is a good chance she will usually be found at a happening club/bar and not spending her friday night in front of the computer chatting with "keyboard warriors".

For example when I look at the chicks on okcupid I am disappointed by what I see vs going to these city's and hitting up the nightlife districts and just doing approaches on the street and at clubs. Now, since my Russian is not 100% fluent I almost always approach in Russian and quickly switch to English, or tell the chick to talk in Russian and answer them in English. It has worked surprisingly well for me so far, thus the reason why i am asking for happening places next time I go to Moscow so I could just post-up and spit "tourist game".

disagree here - i've pulled a few bangs from pipelining and its not very time consuming. i wouldnt use okcupid or dating sites though, i'd stick to sites like myspace and facebook. all you need to do is just cut and paste an email about how you are going to be in town and ask for advice on nightlife or something. spend an hour and you can probably get 50 or so emails sent. if you get 5 leads thats not bad at all.

[Hooligan Harry]

(10-16-2011 07:40 PM)Hokie30 Wrote:  

Just to add another comment about pipleining I believe it is for "lazy" players who probably value quantity over quality (explains why they send 100s of e-mails). People who do not put in enough effort to learn the local language should definitely stick to Pipelining however in my opinion it is too time consuming and to me time is money. In 10 minutes of face2face conversation I can learn more about a foreign chick than I can in hours of exchanging generic e-mails. IMHO the hottest girls WILL NOT BE FOUND VIA Pipelining. I do not care what city it is in the world, be it DC, NYC, London, or Moscow ( i mention these cause i've been to them) if a chick is good looking and outgoing there is a good chance she will usually be found at a happening club/bar and not spending her friday night in front of the computer chatting with "keyboard warriors".

For example when I look at the chicks on okcupid I am disappointed by what I see vs going to these city's and hitting up the nightlife districts and just doing approaches on the street and at clubs. Now, since my Russian is not 100% fluent I almost always approach in Russian and quickly switch to English, or tell the chick to talk in Russian and answer them in English. It has worked surprisingly well for me so far, thus the reason why i am asking for happening places next time I go to Moscow so I could just post-up and spit "tourist game".

Ok I am going to have to call you out a bit here.

Most people who go to Russia will not know Russian and its not an easy language to learn. Are you are saying they must make time to learn a language so that they can save time by not going online? How does that make sense?

You know the whole "game" thing gets on my tits sometimes. Its a means to and end, its not the purpose of the trip. Do you want to fuck Russian women or do you want to hit on on Russian women all day and not fuck anything? If its the later, then please, "spit" game all day long and let us know how things work out for you.

I speak enough Russian after years of doing business there and living there on/off to know its a big advantage. If I did not speak the language though I would honestly be spending time online making sure I was meeting up with single English speaking women. Its a MASSIVE time saver and there is no real stigma with online dating there.

As for online dating, the quality of the women is ridiculous. I have not used it but know many expat men who did. Have a look at the average quality of the woman on those sites. Its very high and anyone who does not make use of it on their first few trips there is being foolish.

Just as importantly, if you think the sort of game you are running on western women is going to work with Russian women you are in for a very rude awakening. They want a well dressed caveman with 1950's manners. Different culture.

If you speak passable Russian, dont waste your time playing up the tourist. You wont get anywhere mate. If anything, you are meant to be playing the opposite of a tourist. This is not the 90's anymore and tourists in Moscow are not rockstars. Be the guy there on business with the expectation of having to return often. Be the guy looking for an apartment. Be the guy checking out a university. Be the guy on a year long holiday, just in Russia, who is going to write a book or something.

[Entropy4]

If you aren't at least conversational in Russian (3-6 months of study), then you're better off pipelining over there. End of story.

[K-man]

(10-15-2011 04:19 AM)flashbang Wrote:  

I stayed at a hostel called Buddy Bear Hostel on Smolensky Bulvar. It's cheap but if you need to bring a girl be sure to have a friend distract reception so you can sneak a girl in. I was lucky to have a cool American friend who had my back in this twice.

I wonder what kind of girl is willing to wait out until a friend distracts the reception guy so she can be sneaked into a 10-person dorm room to be fucked by a gringo.
Not judging here, and not saying everyone should roll G-style at the Four Seasons, but just wondering what kind of quality is obtainable by a backpacking gringo?

Especially in a city where mad cash is being flashed around by mobsters, politicians, oil tycoons, i-bankers, and various nouveau riches.

[flashbang]

(10-17-2011 02:19 AM)K-man Wrote:  

(10-15-2011 04:19 AM)flashbang Wrote:  

I stayed at a hostel called Buddy Bear Hostel on Smolensky Bulvar. It's cheap but if you need to bring a girl be sure to have a friend distract reception so you can sneak a girl in. I was lucky to have a cool American friend who had my back in this twice.

I wonder what kind of girl is willing to wait out until a friend distracts the reception guy so she can be sneaked into a 10-person dorm room to be fucked by a gringo.
Not judging here, and not saying everyone should roll G-style at the Four Seasons, but just wondering what kind of quality is obtainable by a backpacking gringo?

Especially in a city where mad cash is being flashed around by mobsters, politicians, oil tycoons, i-bankers, and various nouveau riches.

Well of course you don't fuck her in the dorm. You fuck her in the bathroom.

If you've played your game well she'll be willing to do way more than such a minor thing that takes a few seconds. If you've got mad cash to throw around then by all means do so but most of us here are not oil tycoons with a fat bank account. Game matters more than money in any case.

[Roosh]

Here's a good Russia comment that was posted on my blog:

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I’m currently in Russia as an English teacher and have been for the past 3 months. I’m living in a tier-2/tier-3 city.

My take is this, if you are an American with decent game your quantity of bangs will absolutely go up, but the physical attractiveness of the girls depends on your effort. I am a young, average looking guy with solid game that mainly hooked up with 6′s and 7′s in the states. In Russia, being a foreigner, American especially, is still a DHV.

I know you can read a lot on the internet how “the 90′s is over dude”, “Russian women don’t need Western men anymore”. Maybe it doesn’t help as much as it used to. Certainly, if you look and act like a loser, who may have been able to get laid with a passport 15 years ago, but you won’t get shit now. But someone who practices game and has decent style can easily bang 2-3x more girls, and if he is willing to put out more effort/deal with Russian female bullshit he will bang hotter girls as well.

I definitely agree with Roosh about the better personalities here. I’ve caught myself thinking about settling down with a 7 here, whereas in America I permanently banished those thoughts when I swallowed the red pill.

I’ve hooked up with a few 8′s here, so I have gotten better quality. Some of the girls you see really can be even 5′s underneath but the way they take care of themselves in EE really makes a difference. Even frumpy girls get dolled up, but you see them less often than in America.

As for language-game, personally I find this important because I want to grow as a man and learn languages, but I don’t know how great the return for someone not genuinely interested would be. I’ve gotten to a basic conversational level through studying at least an hour everyday. I can understand better than I can speak, but it is a tough language. All of the girls I’ve hooked up with have spoken at least some English. I end up speaking Russian with them some of the time after the initial bang, but I’ve yet to have a complete Russian language-bang.

That being said, everyone that I meet gives me props for learning the language “молодец” (mala-dyets). Learning the language makes it a lot easier to make friends, and become part of a social circle. Naturally Russians will switch to their language when you’re hanging out with them and it is nice to understand what they are saying.

[oldnemesis]

(10-16-2011 08:51 AM)flashbang Wrote:  

@ rudeboy - Weather was fine last month but it's getting colder now. Some days were surprisingly sunny while on others the sky looked like it was made of cement. In St.Petersburg where I am now you're fine if you go out in a shirt and a jacket.

In just a month SPB will be an ass freezing place. Very cold there at winter.
The way you described the sky is how it looks in Moscow during the six winter months, from November to April. If you're used to California sunlight, this will get you very depressed FAST. Fortunately Xanax there doesn't require prescription.

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Guys like me in what sense, ethnically or being into game? In either case I haven't seen much of either. Game here seems to consist of getting completely drunk and acting like a moron.

As I said before, the game is purely Western invention. Russian chicks can be fucked without any game, and this is how most locals get laid. I'm still trying to figure out what triggered the game development, as the whole concept is still very artificial to me. Talk to some locals about game, and unless you present them the no-failure version often described in PUA materials, you're likely to get the "why bother?" type of response. Same as getting to the top league in baseball - an American dude would consider it an achievement, while the majority of Russian dudes would say you wasted ten years of your life for nothing in return.

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@ vicious - Moscow is fucking expensive. One time I bought a small ice cream and it set me back alomost 10 euros. Apartments are so expensive that a Bulgarian dude in a hostel I was staying in told me he'd been staying in that hostel for 6 months. 6 bloody months in a 10 person dorm. Fuck that!

I'll pass on this one, as the hippie lifestyle never attracted me. Yes, everything comfortable in Moscow is expensive. An old, shitty studio in the middle of nowhere (like 20 minute bus ride from the faraway subway station) would likely cost over $500/mo.

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Street game is quite challenging in Moscow because of the language, general negativity of the place, fast pace of life and the fact that as soon as you start speaking to a girl she thinks you're either asking for money or wanting to give her some kind of leaflet.

This situation is the same pretty much everywhere outside the USA. There is no such thing as talking to strangers about anything - unless you're waiting in line. In Russia it is more difficult because it generally takes more time for Russians to warm up, so even if you find a good topic to discuss, you should be able to ramble about it for at least ten minutes - with zero feedback from her except of not leaving - before she would show ANY enthusiasm in conversation with you. Add here the language barrier and you see why it isn't easy. As a rule, take your success with the street game in your country and divide it at least by three; if your country is US, divide it by five.

[oldnemesis]

(10-16-2011 07:40 PM)Hokie30 Wrote:  

In 10 minutes of face2face conversation I can learn more about a foreign chick than I can in hours of exchanging generic e-mails.

If your idea of online game consist of hours exchanging emails, you're doing it very wrong.

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IMHO the hottest girls WILL NOT BE FOUND VIA Pipelining. I do not care what city it is in the world, be it DC, NYC, London, or Moscow ( i mention these cause i've been to them) if a chick is good looking and outgoing there is a good chance she will usually be found at a happening club/bar and not spending her friday night in front of the computer chatting with "keyboard warriors".

Not all good looking chicks are into club/bar scene.
Not all good looking chicks are outgoing.
Surely, in the USA where only 5% of chicks could be considered good looking it may be the case. But in the country where 75% of chicks could be considered good looking, its a different story.

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Now, since my Russian is not 100% fluent I almost always approach in Russian and quickly switch to English, or tell the chick to talk in Russian and answer them in English. It has worked surprisingly well for me so far, thus the reason why i am asking for happening places next time I go to Moscow so I could just post-up and spit "tourist game".

Honestly this sounds to me more like wishful thinking. You approach in broken Russian, and then switch to English - at which point 95% of chicks tell you "no speak English"? I don't see at all how it could work surprisingly well. No Russian chick will be impressed if you just say "privet menya zovut Vasya" in Russian, it takes ten minutes to learn - not particularly an achievement. And considering how long it takes for Eastern European women to "warm up" when talking to strangers - a well-known concept - the way you describe it doesn't look realistic to me. This will work if you can maintain 10-15 minute meaningful conversation in Russian, but if you can do so, there is no need to even switch to English as your Russian should be very good already. So I don't know how it works for you, but to me it sounds very unrealistic. Maybe you just got too lucky.

[Ami5]

What are some of the best websites for pipelining? (Russia centered)

[oldnemesis]

(10-17-2011 07:35 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

I’m currently in Russia as an English teacher and have been for the past 3 months. I’m living in a tier-2/tier-3 city.

That explains a lot. Even Russians say that Moscow (and SPB to some extent) is a different country from the rest of Russia. Things are much easier outside Moscow - but the amount of English spoken also goes down considerably.

[oldnemesis]

(10-17-2011 09:13 AM)Ami5 Wrote:  

What are some of the best websites for pipelining? (Russia centered)

mamba.ru

[oldnemesis]

(10-17-2011 02:19 AM)K-man Wrote:  

I wonder what kind of girl is willing to wait out until a friend distracts the reception guy so she can be sneaked into a 10-person dorm room to be fucked by a gringo.

This is another part which sounds unrealistic to me. If a Russian chick likes you and your place is not an option, she'll invite you to her place, or there is always an option to stop by a friend. Every Russian has at least one friend who they can stop by with a partner when needed - and this friend will immediately find some valid reason to leave his apartment for an hour or two, leaving them alone. This is part of the culture, and it is HUGE. There are so many other options, including "temporary apartments", saunas, parks and so on - just ask any taxi driver to drive you somewhere you can fuck, he'll drive you to some safe secure parking, and leaves you alone while he goes to "get some food". With so many cheap possibilities around I don't see what kind of chick would bother going to some shitty hostel. Even a hippie chick would rather fuck somewhere on the street behind the bush.

[Hooligan Harry]

(10-17-2011 09:14 AM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(10-17-2011 07:35 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

I’m currently in Russia as an English teacher and have been for the past 3 months. I’m living in a tier-2/tier-3 city.

That explains a lot. Even Russians say that Moscow (and SPB to some extent) is a different country from the rest of Russia. Things are much easier outside Moscow - but the amount of English spoken also goes down considerably.

St Petersburg is pretty much going the same way and sees a lot more tourists these days. Moscow sees its fair share of tourists too, but many visitors are businessmen. While St Petersburg attracts a hell of a lot of tourists and students it does see fewer business people.

I can understand why though, for me its one of my favourite cities in the world. It has everything. Women and nightlife aside, if you are one for history and have an interest in local culture, you can lose yourself in that city. The Russians were great builders of museums and monuments.

Tier 2/3 cities are not for first time travellers IMO. Not unless you had intentions of spending a few months there and got into the swing of things. I will say one thing though, and thats that the smaller cities east of the Moscow and St Petersburg are prime hunting grounds.

If you can make the trip to Samara, thank me later. Its Russia's Odessa. Nasty industrial shitpit where I think half the factories churn 10's off a production line. I dont know what the fuck is in the water there but the women are off the chain.

[redneckpunk]

"IMHO the hottest girls WILL NOT BE FOUND VIA Pipelining. I do not care what city it is in the world, be it DC, NYC, London, or Moscow ( i mention these cause i've been to them) if a chick is good looking and outgoing there is a good chance she will usually be found at a happening club/bar and not spending her friday night in front of the computer chatting with "keyboard warriors"."


In many parts of Asia this is just completely untrue. In general the girls are shy, many don't drink so if you don't work or go to school with them then you won't ever meet them.

Using MSN messenger is an excellent way to learn a language and game girls.

Maybe it isn't for everyone but it is a very viable option, and a good way to get into a social circle.

[Hokie30]

(10-17-2011 09:09 AM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(10-16-2011 07:40 PM)Hokie30 Wrote:  

In 10 minutes of face2face conversation I can learn more about a foreign chick than I can in hours of exchanging generic e-mails.

If your idea of online game consist of hours exchanging emails, you're doing it very wrong.

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IMHO the hottest girls WILL NOT BE FOUND VIA Pipelining. I do not care what city it is in the world, be it DC, NYC, London, or Moscow ( i mention these cause i've been to them) if a chick is good looking and outgoing there is a good chance she will usually be found at a happening club/bar and not spending her friday night in front of the computer chatting with "keyboard warriors".

Not all good looking chicks are into club/bar scene.
Not all good looking chicks are outgoing.
Surely, in the USA where only 5% of chicks could be considered good looking it may be the case. But in the country where 75% of chicks could be considered good looking, its a different story.

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Now, since my Russian is not 100% fluent I almost always approach in Russian and quickly switch to English, or tell the chick to talk in Russian and answer them in English. It has worked surprisingly well for me so far, thus the reason why i am asking for happening places next time I go to Moscow so I could just post-up and spit "tourist game".

Honestly this sounds to me more like wishful thinking. You approach in broken Russian, and then switch to English - at which point 95% of chicks tell you "no speak English"? I don't see at all how it could work surprisingly well. No Russian chick will be impressed if you just say "privet menya zovut Vasya" in Russian, it takes ten minutes to learn - not particularly an achievement. And considering how long it takes for Eastern European women to "warm up" when talking to strangers - a well-known concept - the way you describe it doesn't look realistic to me. This will work if you can maintain 10-15 minute meaningful conversation in Russian, but if you can do so, there is no need to even switch to English as your Russian should be very good already. So I don't know how it works for you, but to me it sounds very unrealistic. Maybe you just got too lucky.

OK, let me correct myself. My conversational Russian is close to perfect so I can easily maintain a long conversation however I do have an accent so sometimes girls ask me to repeat some words or worse look with a puzzled expression. I need to practice pronunciation more but otherwise I do get my point across. Since I AM NOT INTO PIPELINING and hate the stigma of online game I am still waiting for someone to please tell me good clubs/bars nowadays to hit as I havent been to Moscow in 10 years so much has changed. Thanks.

[Ohiogang]

So how would guys of other ethnicity's, espiecally Asians do there?

[oldnemesis]

(10-17-2011 10:05 PM)Ohiogang Wrote:  

So how would guys of other ethnicity's, espiecally Asians do there?

How's your Russian?

[oldnemesis]

(10-17-2011 07:53 PM)Hokie30 Wrote:  

OK, let me correct myself. My conversational Russian is close to perfect so I can easily maintain a long conversation however I do have an accent so sometimes girls ask me to repeat some words or worse look with a puzzled expression. I need to practice pronunciation more but otherwise I do get my point across.

Very few foreigners learned Russian, so Russians generally are NOT used to people having accent. This is why.

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Since I AM NOT INTO PIPELINING and hate the stigma of online game

This "stigma" is in your head. It is your limiting mind. Think different.

[Richie]

Hey Flash Bang. How is st Petersburg comparing to Moscow?

[Arado]

The ratios in clubs are at least better in Moscow. Americans are still relatively rare, so it's still a DHV, even better if you can speak Russian.

A big problem in Moscow though is that the music in clubs is just too loud. There aren't alot of mix and mingle lounge type places where people can talk and game. It's alot of dance floor game where you have to be very aggressive.

[AVisitor]

(12-18-2011 12:16 PM)ao85 Wrote:  

The ratios in clubs are at least better in Moscow. Americans are still relatively rare, so it's still a DHV, even better if you can speak Russian.

A big problem in Moscow though is that the music in clubs is just too loud. There aren't alot of mix and mingle lounge type places where people can talk and game. It's alot of dance floor game where you have to be very aggressive.

Thanks for the post, very interesting. Keep us updated about Moscow.

It's unsual for Russian game to be aggressive. Do girls get approached left and right, by ethnic Russians? Also, is there good eye contact? Do girls approach guys themselves?

[Hencredible Casanova]

Thanks for this data sheet. One of these days I'm going to take the plunge and fly to Moscow. Flights from NYC are like $400 r/t sometimes. But once in Moscow, you're in the most expensive city in the world. That's also one place I can see race being a significant factor, but I'll see what happens. One of my boys is Russian (on his dad's side) and Indian. He said people there were hostile towards him and his bro because they were darker skinned and people assumed they were from Kazakhstan (lots of Kazahk immigrants in Moscow). I'll definitely go with a friend. I don't think that's the kind of city you want to explore on your own without contacts.

[Arado]

(12-18-2011 02:02 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

Thanks for this data sheet. One of these days I'm going to take the plunge and fly to Moscow. Flights from NYC are like $400 r/t sometimes. But once in Moscow, you're in the most expensive city in the world. That's also one place I can see race being a significant factor, but I'll see what happens. One of my boys is Russian (on his dad's side) and Indian. He said people there were hostile to him and his bro because they were darker skinned and people assumed they were from Kazakhstan (lots of Kazahk immigrants in Moscow). I'll definitely go with a friend. I don't think that's the kind of city you want to explore on your own without contacts.

The hostility to non whites is more than anywhere in Europe or the US. Just on Friday night I was trying to get into a club. I was dressed up and was with a Russian chick. Russian guy in front of me (solo), not dressed up, got in, no problem. Then, bouncer tells me and the girl, no, flat out, no negotiation.

The even more bizarre thing after was when two cute asian girls tried to get in right after us. REJECTED!!!!

WTF!!! How do two cute Asian girls get rejected from a club...the even more depressing thing about it was these girls weren't too crushed...because they were used to it.

[Arado]

(12-18-2011 01:01 PM)AVisitor Wrote:  

Thanks for the post, very interesting. Keep us updated about Moscow.

It's unsual for Russian game to be aggressive. Do girls get approached left and right, by ethnic Russians? Also, is there good eye contact? Do girls approach guys themselves?

From what I've seen, Russian guys are pretty aggressive here. Because the music is so loud, indirect game (which I'm better at) doesn't work well. Caveman and direct is more common. Some girls approach, but it's not something you can rely on.

Eye contact isn't a great indication. They could be staring at you just because you are foreign, not out of any interest.