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(12-18-2011 02:41 PM)ao85 Wrote:  

Eye contact isn't a great indication. They could be staring at you just because you are foreign, not out of any interest.

I haven't been to Russia, but I think eye contact (from my experience with Russian women) is a good indicator. But they will still shit-test hard, so the initial impression might be that they are not interested.

[Hencredible Casanova]

(12-18-2011 02:38 PM)ao85 Wrote:  

(12-18-2011 02:02 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

Thanks for this data sheet. One of these days I'm going to take the plunge and fly to Moscow. Flights from NYC are like $400 r/t sometimes. But once in Moscow, you're in the most expensive city in the world. That's also one place I can see race being a significant factor, but I'll see what happens. One of my boys is Russian (on his dad's side) and Indian. He said people there were hostile to him and his bro because they were darker skinned and people assumed they were from Kazakhstan (lots of Kazahk immigrants in Moscow). I'll definitely go with a friend. I don't think that's the kind of city you want to explore on your own without contacts.

The hostility to non whites is more than anywhere in Europe or the US. Just on Friday night I was trying to get into a club. I was dressed up and was with a Russian chick. Russian guy in front of me (solo), not dressed up, got in, no problem. Then, bouncer tells me and the girl, no, flat out, no negotiation.

The even more bizarre thing after was when two cute asian girls tried to get in right after us. REJECTED!!!!

WTF!!! How do two cute Asian girls get rejected from a club...the even more depressing thing about it was these girls weren't too crushed...because they were used to it.

Wow. What racial background are you if you don't mind me asking?

[Deluge]

Russian speaking Ukrainian pal told me that racism is considerably less outside of Moscow, and that if you're worried about race issues Ukraine has none of that. Make of that what you will. St Petersburg is considerably cheaper and if there's less racism it makes more sense to go there than Moscow.

[Hencredible Casanova]

(12-19-2011 12:31 AM)P Dog Wrote:  

Russian speaking Ukrainian pal told me that racism is considerably less outside of Moscow, and that if you're worried about race issues Ukraine has none of that. Make of that what you will. St Petersburg is considerably cheaper and if there's less racism it makes more sense to go there than Moscow.

Yeah. I dated a girl from St. Petersburg in SF. She was mad cool. I would look into it if I ever check out Finland. It's not too far from Helsinki.

[Luckystar]

(12-19-2011 12:31 AM)P Dog Wrote:  

Russian speaking Ukrainian pal told me that racism is considerably less outside of Moscow, and that if you're worried about race issues Ukraine has none of that. Make of that what you will. St Petersburg is considerably cheaper and if there's less racism it makes more sense to go there than Moscow.

I've been to both Ukraine and Russia (I'm currently in Kiev). I really think both exotic appeal and racism are overstated in 90% of the world, but I would say it is understated in these places.

Ukraine is better than Russia. Bigger cities are better than smaller. And being in the south (Odessa, for example) is better than being in north (St.Petersburg, for example).

I don't discourage anyone from coming, but just understand the BS here is real. The vibe can really suck. I both love and hate these places. Many times, the pussy is not worth it (you heard me, sometimes even Russian pussy isn't worth the BS).

White boys - enjoy away though!