[questor70]

(Today 11:43 AM)Shinebox Wrote:  

Are you deleting all your blog posts and having a bonfire with your old books? As you wish, but this forum (as constructed) is finished.

Not unexpected, and this does signal the end of an era.

I respect his courage in being willing to walk away from the empire he built knowing that only a subset of his followers will want to pivot over. I think it's going to be very difficult for the existing membership to turn on a dime like this. Most will probably attempt to carry on as before either out of ignorance or defiance of the new rules and face the ban-hammer.

I always appreciated the locker-room talk as there are too few places left where it's possible to do that without being shamed for political incorrectness. Take that away and I fear it's going to feel rather dull.

[Meliorare93]

The shrooms got to you good éy

Unrequested advice: also change the skin and lay out of the forum when you enforce these new rules!

[debeguiled]

Don't get mad at Roosh. Blame that Jones guy.

[saner]

Wow.

Your house, your rules. But this makes Rooshforum kind of like non-alcoholic beer. Or a sex-free brothel.

I have no use for but nothing against religion. Mainly I just don't like the sanctimonious attitude it tends to draw out in believers.

Without trying to be an ass and with seriousness,

Roosh,
I have not read much about this massive change in your spirituality so please take this as an honest concern (if ignorant).... Have you considered that this change may be due to a physical change or ailment? One of my friends had sudden and severe personality changes about 15 years ago that left many of us wondering what the cause was. It turns out it was a brain tumor. He survived but was never the same person.

[Roosh]

(Today 11:57 AM)Kaii Wrote:  

As a non-Christian, I can't say I really understand. However, this forum has been invaluable to me and I respect Roosh's choice even if I don't understand it.

There are plenty of great people on this forum, I am not really worried this change will have that much impact to the quality of postings/posters.

Correct, for a non believer, my behavior can be seen as odd, crazy, or deranged. To a believer, especially a priest, it's rational and on the correct path. I knew once I started on this path that I would lose many men. You can already see it from the comments on this thread. Those who loved me for providing resources and platforms for them to gain casual sex will likely come to hate me.

(Today 12:00 PM)Laner Wrote:  

I think you are failing to give other men the same opportunity to find God as you did. Not everyone can find faith by isolating the evil and protecting them from it.

Personally, I think you will lead more men to faith through your leadership than by censoring many of the things that brought us all together in the first place. If I don't agree with a thread, I don't click on it. If I don't like a post by someone, I ignore it. If I don't like a certain poster, I don't read his posts.

I wish you the best on your journey of faith, but this is not the way to help the struggle than men are facing in this day.

It's not about censorship or controlling what other men read. Most of my friends are professional fornicators and I don't try to change their mind. This change is about my own salvation and relationship with God. You simply cannot lead another men to sin. The scripture is clear on that.

[BlastbeatCasanova]

Nothing but respect for you, Roosh, but I agree with other posters that this move seems a bit heavy handed and brings the word “censorship” to mind.

A lot of guys go down the path of fornication and carnal pleasure to come out on the other side as better men seeking truth. It’s crazy that in our sex-crazed society this place and the knowledge you put together could be the healthiest way for a man to explore his sexuality and learn the dynamics of dealing with women.

It’s your forum and this won’t change my respect for you but I hope you’ll mull it over a bit. Maybe there is a way to meet in the middle instead of deleting threads and banning certain topics

[Disco_Volante]

Divorce is a sin, better delete all those threads on it.
Usury is a sin, better scroll the investment threads and delete anything about bonds.
Race-mixing is a sin according to many Christian groups, better delete anything about that.
Pride is a sin, perhaps the forum shouldn't be named after you and have a logo of your face.
Vanity is a sin so you shouldn't dye your grey hairs, nor lift weights. Infact, having expensive clothes is vanity, so go delete all those threads as well.

The list goes on...

[travolta]

This feels like an ex prostitute turning 29, joining Tinder and saying she's looking to get married. Not sure it's possible to turn this forum around when the past is already etched onto the internet. IMO the only way this can work would be to start a new forum and close this one down (which would be shame because this forum is a good resource).

[Jnx]

Is this real life?

April 1st was last month

[Beyond Borders]

I'm not going to judge Roosh for making a moral decision.

That takes a lot of courage with so many thousands of men looking up to and counting on you, and in a situation like that, no doubt it's no easy decision.

And I respect him for standing for what he believes in.

I have over 7,000 posts on this forum, many which were debacherous, sure, but many others in which I did my best to lead men back towards ethics when nihlism seemed more "rational."

If all my posts were gone tomorrow, I'll still be the same man I am today. The forum does not define me, even if in some ways I'm a changed man for our time here together.

The most important thing, though, is this: I've met and read so many great men from this forum who I'd like to keep in touch with.

RVF is going to change, no doubt about it, and who knows where this thing will lead...

So feel free to pm me your details if you want be sure to stay in touch - maybe something more organized will arise in time.

I'm not going anywhere. But just in case.

Meanwhile it'll be interesting to see where this thing goes.

Life is change. If you thought this platform would exist forever, as is, you have some growing up to do.

This forum was a unique "place" in a unique time. Dare I say special in its own way.

Let's see what comes next.

[This Is Trouble]

(Today 12:14 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

(Today 11:57 AM)Kaii Wrote:  

As a non-Christian, I can't say I really understand. However, this forum has been invaluable to me and I respect Roosh's choice even if I don't understand it.

There are plenty of great people on this forum, I am not really worried this change will have that much impact to the quality of postings/posters.

Correct, for a non believer, my behavior can be seen as odd, crazy, or deranged. To a believer, especially a priest, it's rational and on the correct path. I knew once I started on this path that I would lose many men. You can already see it from the comments on this thread. Those who loved me for providing resources and platforms for them to gain casual sex will likely come to hate me.

Yes, you are going to lose a lot. But you know this.

Everything comes full circle.

Take you, for example. You've gone from fornicating casually, and often, towards your current path of spirituality. It's come full circle.

Take myself, for example. If you hadn't given me a shot to write at ROK a few years ago, I wouldn't have built my business, been able to move out of the degeneracy of the west, and be able to maintain a solid LTR for 3+ years. But, make no doubt about it, I *had* to go through the crazy years in order to be able to sit where I am today. It's come full circle.

I understand the spirituality thing, however, the world has changed faster in the last decade than ever before - at a multiple many times over. At some point, religious teachings are going to have to be modified and adapted to the modern time.

I would understand gradually beginning a shift and gradually applying some new rules and standards. I'd say that longer-term relationship discussions are much more common and accepted here than say, 2015.

There aren't many places that men can learn the skills needed to survive in today's modern world.

This drastic of a change seems like it is going to rob many men of their own chance to come full circle.

That's my $0.02, and obviously I hope that things work out and you find peace.

[heavy]

I don't mind these new rules. But I'm not too much younger than Roosh, so I don't chase kittens quite like I once did.

(is 'kittens' ok to say )

(Today 12:20 PM)travolta Wrote:  

This feels like an ex prostitute turning 29, joining Tinder and saying she's looking to get married.
...

Yes, getting older is a bit like this. Guys usually hit this stage more slowly and at a later age than women. Some people hit it younger, some never hit it.

In Roosh's case, he hit this point quickly (perhaps in part due to his sister's passing) around the age of 40.

Just my thoughts on the matter.

Edit: I should add, this is (was?) a very unique forum. Other similar pickup forums always seemed sleazy to me. This forum seemed to have a certain level of respect for HBs, and RVF offers a wide variety of other topics men like to discuss. I said I don't mind the new rules, but if I had my way, I would simply let the forum continue to morph of its own volition. Alpone (post below) states it well regarding a spiritual journey.

[eradicator]

Are we still going to be able say “would bang” ?

It’s your forum, as another atheist, I don’t really get it either but you have to do what’s right for you, Roosh

[Black Kitten]

LTR forum!

Read Lady with your gf if you haven't already.

[Alpone]

I respect Roosh's decision as it is his platform, but I disagree with it. I've no doubt Roosh has had a spiritual change, but I think the ulterior motive is to avoid further de-platforming in the metoo era.

Also, a spiritual journey is a very personal, individual thing that can only be experienced first hand. If 2019 Roosh came at 2009 Roosh and tried to explain all the things he's learned in 10 years, it would fall on deaf ears. Proselytizing only works when the student is ready to meet the teacher.

In a black sea of pornography, pay to play black holes, beta bucks, online dating site hambeasts, autism and leftist sexual degeneracy, this forum helped a lot of guys meet, interact and have sex with women in the healthiest way possible given the current cultural climate. Sex is a biological need, and just because some people take their journey for sex way too far doesn't mean hooking up occasionally can't help a guy get back on his feet, gain some confidence and help him in other areas of his life.

Sex with attractive women whose attention he has earned honestly using his skills as a man is one of the best ways to improve a man's life - given he doesn't make sex and women his mission in life. It's a big part of men's self-improvement and will be a big loss to the forum.

[ReAnimated]

I've been lurking here for years and learned many valuable things from the people who post here. This new direction is great. Following along Roosh's taking of the Godpill has been the best part, here on the forum, Twitter and the podcasts.

[worldwidetraveler]

Roosh, much respect for following through with your convictions. I'm a older dude who started going through something similar around 4 years ago. It took me more time to go "all in" with my beliefs like you're doing right now. I think many people won't understand what you are doing because they haven't gone through what you are going through right now.

It's like a war going on within up until you fully commit and then you feel more at peace. I'll definitely continue to support your business when I can. In fact, I am looking forward to the new direction and what new books may come out of it.

[Baphomet]

You can take the measure of a man when he is willing to risk everything for what he believes is right.

Roosh is risking his very livelihood by making this change. And he's not doing it because he thinks he'll get richer. He's doing it because he has come to believe there is something greater than himself (God) and that his actions in the face of God have been wrong.

He seems to be willing to lose everything to atone for that, and bring himself closer to God, while facing the ire of people once friendly to him.

I do not know who here voicing opposition to this change would be as ready take such a risk.

Roosh, you have my respect.

[Hypno]

Was Solomon, who had 600 wives, a fornicator?

[Cr33pin]

(Today 12:34 PM)eradicator Wrote:  

Are we still going to be able say “would bang” ?

It’s your forum, as another atheist, I don’t really get it either but you have to do what’s right for you, Roosh

WM is the new WB
(Would Marry)

[ThriceLazarus]

@Hypno

While it isn’t quite my place to defame Solomon...

Yes.

He had 300 some wives and 600 some mistresses.

That’s thousands of heirs to the throne. Thousands. Legitimate and not so much. With each Mother following her natural instincts to thrust her loin-fruit to the top.

There was such a clusterfuck concerning succession that the LORD gave Israel to Ephraim, which led to the sundering of brotherhood.

Further still, Solomon was seduced by the Gods of his wives. Star of David? Patent bullshit. The Seal of Saturn.

Solomon’s Wisdom brought the kingdom of Israel greatness that has changed every facet of the globe.

His insatiable appetites built the foundation of our current Satanic Clown World.

[SeaFM]

It’s natural to change as you get older. For example I am married with kids now, and no longer chase women as I did in my younger days.

There is still a lot of good information on this forum that can be applied to married life. If you get right down to it, it’s about behaviour and interaction.

A lot of men don’t know how to be men. They’ve grown up in single mother homes and raised by the leftist education system. It took me several disastrous relationships, and my entire youth to figure this out. There were no forums like this in those days. I was already in my early 30’s when it all clicked for me.

The constant in all my relationship failures was me trying to please my woman, give her what she said she wanted, and the goalposts always moving regardless of what I did. It took me about 15 years to finally clue in and more or less say “fuck all that”.

So this forum can get you to that place without the wasted years of trial and error. There is a lot of good that can be extracted from this database of knowledge.

I can’t help but think this is all a hoax and somehow related to the upcoming tour though.

[Trumpian]

So no more spinning plates..

What's the ruling on polygamy though?

75% of the Bible (the Old Testament) actively encourages it, and the remaining 25% doesn't actually speak out against it.

So I'm assuming it's kosher?

[loremipsum]

Looks like this thread has caught the interest of media retards like Bernstein.

[TheMost]

(Today 12:44 PM)Hypno Wrote:  

Was Solomon, who had 600 wives, a fornicator?

I would like to hear Roosh' policy on this. Managing a patriarchal household containing multiple wives is not "spinning plates" according to the Bible and most of the worlds great faiths, but in Orthodox Christianity it is. I saw Roosh post just now as I was about to open a thread on that very topic. Now I'll wait to hear his position before doing that.