[Barron]

Do you guys all fuck with the lights off or something?
Fucking a 9 in the daylight is the best sex ever.. It's completely visceral from beginning to end when you're inside a girl you consider to be at the highest tier of beauty.
Add in her smell, the sounds she makes, how her body feels and reacts to you, eye contact... I'm completely transported from my identity, thoughts, aspirations, worries, etc., to a place of serenity. And yes, the orgasm is far more powerful and satisfying.

[EndsExpect]

(05-12-2019 08:19 PM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

(05-12-2019 07:42 PM)browndude Wrote:  

Lol at so many people here acting like they've banged a bunch of 9s. Having lived in manhattan for 11 years, in greenwich village, west village, and having extensively gone out in SoHo and to numerous fashion week events, I can still say I have seen maybe ~10 9s in my entire life in front of my eyes. I have exchanged words with only one. I have gone out at: Avenue, PhD, Blond, 1Oak, Boom Boom Room, Catch, Rose bar etc. etc. I did see 3-4 in my week in Ibiza. Lo and behold each and every one was a professional model.

I actually agree with this.
Beautiful women are much rarer than men imply. And especially when recounting their own conquests.
This is why ratings discussions are usually such a circle jerk.

I had this incident when I was a young boy and first became interested in girls. This girl that I had know for 5 years got a new haircut and I instantly found her to be gorgeous. The next day I came to school and for some reason she seemed plain again even with the new haircut. It got me thinking... what makes me attracted to one woman over another.

Over the years I collected photos of women I found attractive... mostly in yearbooks. Every once and a while I go back and look again to see if they still seem pretty, and most of the time I find the attraction has diminished significantly. I don't fully understand this, but at this point in my life, I believe that there is an emotional component to beauty and attraction... not just physical.

I owned a photography company for many years. I did a lot of work with models and fashion shows. Most of the men who choose the models are gay. Not a little gay, but like spontaneous combustion level gay. I have noticed this trend, that gay guys like to choose models with more masculine faces. Now, fashion models are women who are supposed to be very beautiful and I highly valued their looks at one point. However, this has changed and I mostly blame the Trans movement for forcing me to both pay attention and appreciate feminine face shapes.

Let me give some visuals to explain. Here is a computer composite of the same woman with different levels of estrodiol and the effect it should have. Which one do you find more attractive.




Now, take a look at a top tier model from the UK named Cara Delevingne.



Now, take a look at her with short hair. Keep in mind this is a TOP TIER MODEL.



If someone told me that this woman was born a man... I would not be shocked. Yet fashion people hold her up as what all of us straight males should find desirable.

Bottom line. If you follow the gay guys standard of feminine beauty and you like models, that are man tall, man levels of body fat, 8 year old boy hips, and a masculine face... OF COURSE NOT MANY WOMEN WILL FIT THAT MOLD.

For those of us who have moved away from mass media as a determining factor of what makes an 8 or 9... many more women fit those requirements.

[questor70]

IMHO, I think Cara Delevingne is super-hot (other than the tats she's getting by the looks of that pic). I think there's more than one flavor of hot. I like hourglass figures as much as the next guy but the thin model type are also good. Variety is the spice of life.

I know it's kind of alarming but take away the makeup and the long hair and the skirts and lingere and most hot women start looking like 12 year old boys. That's because biologically that's sort of how we all start, more alike than different, up until puberty. Blame nature. If you really concentrate on female faces for any length of time and look THROUGH all that artiface you will probably be able to imagine a boy's face. Not a man, but a boy. It's not a rabbit hole you want to go down. A still image doesn't tell the whole story. Femininity is the whole package, the voice, the mannerisms, personality, etc...

[Bycicleguy]

I don't think I ever banged a 9. At least in my book a 9 would be an extremely attractive girl. Which are not really easy to find if you are not on the correct circles. Most girls I have banged are 6s and I will dare to say what most guys qualify as 7s are actually 6s. Since a 7 would be a a girl a little above the average and most people are average so the math just doesn't add up if everybody is banging 7s all the time.

Both average girls and hot girls have produced me similar orgasms. In fact the most powerful orgasms I have felt were with 6s and 7s that I was very close with.

What I noticed the other day is that I was reading the notch counts that some people put at the begining of their posts "I'm mid 30's 20 notch count, going to x country" And I was thinking mmm I wonder how many girls I have banged in my lifetime. The interesting thing I found is that it was really hard to remember the short flings and ONS with 5s, 6s and 7s that I had, even though I remember some of them were quite exciting at the moment. It just becomes very vague in my memory unless it was with a LTR.

On the other hand I do occasionally remember the very hot girls I have banged, with a smile, I remember very well their bodies. Is kind of really strange actually, because at the moment it didn't physically felt like a huge deal, I mean psychologycally it was. I remember as soon I saw them taking their clothes or was laid watching their pleasured faces, their bouncing big tittes or tapping an splendid ass. I was thinking like "Men I'm really I'm banging this babe, amazing!". But then it just felt like another bang, it is not like my dick could felt it or the orgasm was different. Yet after some time passes when I don't have a girl around I sometimes remember those very hot girls and think like men I should call that girl. I don't, because I know it is a bad idea and it is always better to start something fresh than go after something that is already dead but I find strange that even though at the moment of having sex it physically felt just like just another bang, after some time I really feel the difference, it is just so present in my mind, their gorgeous titties/asses and the tension on their cute faces with their eyes closed, even the sound of their moanings. Maybe is just the horniness of remembering their bodies though lol.

[RatInTheWoods]

(05-08-2019 07:19 AM)lifecrisis Wrote:  

Honestly, the experience left me more empty than ever, cause i kept thinking, what's next? Is that it? All the excitement and work put into this for something so normal. The sex wasn't bad at all, it was just fine, but after busting a nut and looking at this girl, i couldn't feel any excitement, like when i first looked at her or when i first kissed her at the bar. I didn't see an amazing body, i just saw a normal girl. I guess it's true what they say, something has more value when you don't have it.

The first time this happens, you gain a whole lot of wisdom about how usually its not worth it to waste time on the 8s or 9s. They require so much more work, flake more, and you strike out.

A seven in bed is better than a 9 in your head.

[Redcrus]

It's all relative. Banging a 9 would boost your ego, confidence and helps to tick off that box, but doesn't necessarily mean a better orgasm. Unless of course she was an absolute monster in bed and fucked your brains out, but I hear so often hot chicks are fuckin shit in bed. At the same time, providing you don't get nervous, a 9 would get you hard and ready to bust your nut and you explode like never before.

[djk100]

What if he man has unlimited option via a combination of money/ status and game? Does the person gets tired of banging 9s?

[questor70]

That's hedonic adaptation and it's a bitch. Whenever you level up in life it's always amazing at first but then it becomes the new normal and your mind searches out new challenges, new adventure, new experiences.

[ChefAllDay]

No, but 2 orgasms with a 7 is better than 1 with a 9. And she us more likely to rub your back and make you breakfast.

[flad]

(05-08-2019 12:37 PM)partyfowl Wrote:  

From my experience the uglier a woman, the better the orgasm. No idea if that's the norm though

kind of a more animalistic experience? ;-)

[LatinoHeat]

Unpopular opinion: probably not because a 9 has to put in zero effort in life and esp in romance and sex which probably means she doesn't fuck well or give great head, or willing to be a freak (not necessarily but probably)

Plus a 9 is not necessarily but much more likely to be a bitch/pain in the ass, when girls piss me off I feel by the time I get the clothes off when I'm not feeling a chicks behavior it literally makes my dick soft.

Rather have a 6 deep throating my dick like a machine then a 9 reluctantly lets you sleep with her cause she doesn't wanna be alone that night taking her clothes off and spreading her legs to fuck you missionary while she thinks about some other dude.

[Distant Light]

@browndude all the places you mentioned have changed their business model...

If you went to say provocatuer or phd in 2011-2012 you would've been overloaded with beauty. If you weren't tall and in high heels 0% chance at provoc during that era. As a guy you had to pay $2.5k for a table...Everyone just assumed I was a model scout and so it allowed me to go in solo, even the door girl back then who did modeling gave me her #. (Long story short in 2013 I royally fucked up due to alcohol abuse)

With all that said, I HATE rating system because there is a threshold where comparison is pure mental masturbation...As my boy jokes that I used to say "If you aren't willing to eat her ass...Then she isn't hot enough for you"

I know when I'm physically attracted to a woman when I want to eat her ass, cum all over her face, hope she squirts in my face, fuck 3-8x within the time period we have, sex on period, hard not to fuck in public, etc.

I coined the term sexual degenerate because the primal drive that is triggered blocks out all forms of logic...

Disclaimer...It is 80% psychological, there isn't anything physically awesome about fucking on the edge of a roof BUT my dumbass staring at death below, knowing me holding the woman is keeping us both from flipping off a roof...Is such a mindfuck!! And it wasn't one-sided, the woman masturbated as soon as I left her place about the whole night. (This chick and I devoured within our degenerate side and we ended up in a certain position where she said she had an OBE-like orgasm)

Physical mechanics an average chick is no different than a chick you have strong lust for. However, that average woman isn't gonna inspire you to be a primal man sexually and at most will be like active masturbation.

When I hear men say they don't do xyz whether eating pussy, ass, sex on period, etc...They just never unlocked that aspect due to having sex with a woman who compells you to dive into human sexuality.

To this day, I don't know where my limit is...I can logically say BUT always surprised with myself. I almost always try to limit fucking girls who don't trigger that primal side of me which is why typical curvy IG girl I do not like, I call em "ford truck" bodies as they are just built for fucking aka "active masturbation"...

When it is a chick I like, I want to devour and in the moment bind souls...I want to see that switch of the primal female unleashing the side that scares/intimidates most men...THAT is the beauty of so called " your 9" as she has the potential to do such. Doesn't mean every chick you deem a 9 will even remotely get you there, nonetheless it is psychologically more stimulating as I'm still compelled to eat ass or makeout for ages.

Back in 2013, short latina hipster with an amazing ass...On paper hot, I was curious as it wasn't the usual types of girls who I generally hookup with. When it came too I wasn't even compelled to eat her out which for me is BIZARRE. (There are atleast 30-50+ women I've never fucked but for whatever reason ended up in a moment where I got to feast on some pussy)

While I still have an openness for exploring a vast variety I need to be compelled in some form non-physically. (The best is when a chick is naked and you realize certain new things you like, a nice plot twist)

With all that said, it all depends on environment & exposure in a realtime basis. If you are stuck in an asian country you will come to adapt for what YOU maybe willing to devour...

Having been in monogashit & change in nightlife business model...Unless I am amongst specific social circles I will not see much tall girls or euro girls. Contrast, back then 100% guaranteed each outing to see tons BUT it wasn't real life it is nightlife. (Yea can build the bias but I don't even care to live here after all the melodrama and time wasted in last few years)

The world didn't become less attractive more so I just wasn't amongst those realms nor do I live in an area bias to what I like. That said 95% of nightlife has dropped that biz model which back in 2008 I recall video of some music event in moscow with 30-40 long leg russian girls. (Not the whole plastic look) where I used to think "Me in such a room/environment!? My My"

P.S...

While makeup/surgery illusions are true, the KEY is always interpret a woman's natural beauty. I have personally seen so much which is why I find it funny people consider certain female celebs/famous as cream of the crop beauty.

Majority of so called hot chicks without illusions are average or above average which is why I don't use rating system as I only interpret women for "no makeup"... i say this because way back outside smoking I seen a woman in a long white dress and thought " wow, this girl is stunning and I already know I'm going to meet her after this cig"...

Turned out, I ALREADY KNEW HER. It solidified why I prefer interpreting no makeup because when the magic/illusions are put on you know it is an attractive woman who just amplified as opposed to a woman you'd think "o my I can't look at her without makeup"

A big mistake men make is seeing makeup & images online concluding attractive or not as if that is how the person "wakes up". If we had the ability to do no-filter in person you'd realize most so called hot women are average-above average which is also why rating system is dumb.

Depending on where she is going, her ovulation cycle, who she is going with you may or may not have caught a woman amplified to the max. Hang around girls and you'll hear some of the dumb shit that is thought/said as if marketing/society has controlled them to think such things.

An old joke I used to make, throw a tall long leg model looking girl in some atl fake booty stripper nightclub and all of a sudden there are problems because everyone is fixated on curvy chicks & illusion of a huge ass...Put the same fake booty stripper with a table of tall slim chicks and she will say " All these women are so pretty!!" (Has actually happened)

It is as if women forget there is a wide range of natural beauty & styles of amplification. Culturally society is downplaying women for sake of consumerism. Men dont realize this and become shocked when the see a woman's natural beauty. Give everyday chick a celeb stylist & makeup artist along with best plastic surgeons and you'll see celebs are just women too some average and some above average naturally...Many not even attractive without amplification

[PantyPeeler]

(05-13-2019 02:40 PM)EndsExpect Wrote:  

(05-12-2019 08:19 PM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

(05-12-2019 07:42 PM)browndude Wrote:  

Lol at so many people here acting like they've banged a bunch of 9s. Having lived in manhattan for 11 years, in greenwich village, west village, and having extensively gone out in SoHo and to numerous fashion week events, I can still say I have seen maybe ~10 9s in my entire life in front of my eyes. I have exchanged words with only one. I have gone out at: Avenue, PhD, Blond, 1Oak, Boom Boom Room, Catch, Rose bar etc. etc. I did see 3-4 in my week in Ibiza. Lo and behold each and every one was a professional model.

I actually agree with this.
Beautiful women are much rarer than men imply. And especially when recounting their own conquests.
This is why ratings discussions are usually such a circle jerk.

I had this incident when I was a young boy and first became interested in girls. This girl that I had know for 5 years got a new haircut and I instantly found her to be gorgeous. The next day I came to school and for some reason she seemed plain again even with the new haircut. It got me thinking... what makes me attracted to one woman over another.

Over the years I collected photos of women I found attractive... mostly in yearbooks. Every once and a while I go back and look again to see if they still seem pretty, and most of the time I find the attraction has diminished significantly. I don't fully understand this, but at this point in my life, I believe that there is an emotional component to beauty and attraction... not just physical.

I owned a photography company for many years. I did a lot of work with models and fashion shows. Most of the men who choose the models are gay. Not a little gay, but like spontaneous combustion level gay. I have noticed this trend, that gay guys like to choose models with more masculine faces. Now, fashion models are women who are supposed to be very beautiful and I highly valued their looks at one point. However, this has changed and I mostly blame the Trans movement for forcing me to both pay attention and appreciate feminine face shapes.

Let me give some visuals to explain. Here is a computer composite of the same woman with different levels of estrodiol and the effect it should have. Which one do you find more attractive.




Now, take a look at a top tier model from the UK named Cara Delevingne.



Now, take a look at her with short hair. Keep in mind this is a TOP TIER MODEL.



If someone told me that this woman was born a man... I would not be shocked. Yet fashion people hold her up as what all of us straight males should find desirable.

Bottom line. If you follow the gay guys standard of feminine beauty and you like models, that are man tall, man levels of body fat, 8 year old boy hips, and a masculine face... OF COURSE NOT MANY WOMEN WILL FIT THAT MOLD.

For those of us who have moved away from mass media as a determining factor of what makes an 8 or 9... many more women fit those requirements.

I used to come into contact with fashion models from time to time. They arent very healthy looking in real life. Some are indeed very attractive face wise, but they are usually tired looking and rail thin. I would rate most fashion models fairly low.

I always wanted to feed them, seriously. Not even like on a date, just wanted to get some calories in them.

I dated an anorexic chick years ago. Prettier than most models. She tried modeling and was told she was too "girl next door". This did not help her anorexia. Its not something I want to be involved with again.

[Fuck This]

Take the eye make up off of many of those models and they look pretty plain.

I've got a Covergirl model as a neighbor. Really cool chick. See her without her makeup and she's just another girl.

A Hooters Calendar model that is a customer went all-natural. Shit, she's damn near got a monobrow now. She's making more money trimming weed.

[Shifty]

I would say there is a big difference between banging a 5 vs a 7. Once you go past a 7 or 8 it's really more about personality.

This is assuming we are using the scale of:

5 (Average girl that passes the boner test)
6 ("Cute" girl you wouldn't mind people seeing with you on the street)
7 (This girl could be your girlfriend and most men would be jealous)
8 (Rare as fuck, they are usually models or in hollywood)
9 Most men have not talked to one in person
10 Doesn't exist.

I admit that I have never banged anything past a 6.5 using this scale.

[crispytaco]

Other threads have proven that scales vary from a person to other.
So it is irrelevant to criticize other's tastes.
As for me 10 do exist and are the top, rare, and temporary. Otherwise the scale would be from 1 to 9

[fmman107]

I'm going to add my insight into this discussion. If you see ANY new girl out and about she is going to look more desireable than after you have had her. It's like when you take your girlfriend out socially, you are looking at other women around and you compare. Other men will be checking out your girl too in the same way. Any man can get bored shagging the same pussy, the same girl. You are not as interested in your girl as much as those around you are who have never seen her naked.

Yes 7 and 8s are preferable if you have a good connection. I once scored a 9, we had sex and it was terrible. But man, what a body and beautiful face.

[nampa]

Last night i met a 9 during a night out. It was one of those moments where you think, oh my god, i have to talk to her. I didn't even care if i fucked up, i just wanted to know her name. I struck up a conversation and she seemed nice. 5 min into the conversation i told her i had to leave but i want to grab her number.

Next week i texted her asking if she's going out again this weekend. She said she was, so we ended up at the same bar again. Im not bad looking but next to this girl it was crazy how much people looked. Like "what the hell is this girl doing with this guy?". That's how beautiful she was. I went to the bathroom and when i came back she was surrounded by 2 guys. I literally couldn't leave her for a second without a guy hitting on her. But she was nice enough to tell them "she was with her boyfriend" pointing at me. I thought shit, this girl does like me. She also responded well to kino, she was the kind of girl that are used to guys hitting on her since she was comfortable and had a good response to my game.

yes, both in intensity, sexual stamina and long-lasting interest. though it does diminish with time.
I've literally run the hardest and most focused game i've ever done before just to get this girl. I wanted it so bad. My game was 100% that night, making her laugh, no validation, a mixture of serious and fun, good push/pull, bringing up emotions in her, planting the sex idea in her head early on, you name it.

I walked her to the train station and to my luck the train was canceled. The gods were with me. Next train was in 3 hours and it was cold outside. I told her she could sleep at my place, i live 5 min away. She told me she was on her period, i said, it's cool, we'll just sleep. Turns out it was just a test and she wasn't on her period. As soon as i got in bed she got on top of me and started making out with me. One thing led to another and we had sex. This was my first time with a 9.

Honestly, the experience left me more empty than ever, cause i kept thinking, what's next? Is that it? All the excitement and work put into this for something so normal. The sex wasn't bad at all, it was just fine, but after busting a nut and looking at this girl, i couldn't feel any excitement, like when i first looked at her or when i first kissed her at the bar. I didn't see an amazing body, i just saw a normal girl. I guess it's true what they say, something has more value when you don't have it. But the question remains, now what? Should i go back banging 7's with minimal effort rather than exhausting myself chasing 9's and get the same outcome? The orgasm didn't feel any better. It was the same.

For the guys out there chasing the top tier hot girls 8's and 9's, what's your opinion about this? Is an orgasm with a 9 better than with a 7? In the end, isn't it just the same wet pussy that you stick your dick in? In the end don't we just do this for the bragging rights and self-esteem boost of being able to lay down a stunner? One girl most guys in their lives won't even experience. Personally, i'd take a "yes girl" 7 with a good personality any time of the day over a 9 "maybe girl" with an average personality. What are your thoughts?

yes, both in intensity, sexual stamina and long-lasting interest. though it does diminish with time.