[DeadlyReed]

Don't talk shit where you work.

[MrLemon]

(05-02-2019 04:11 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

The only time I ever got fired was at my college newspaper, when a raging, angry feminist editor CANNED me from a high-ranking position. I was not very political then. So what did I do wrong?

Among other immature things, I made one too many offensive jokes. Like the one where you pick out the nastiest-looking girl around, then tap your buddy on the shoulder and say "There's you're girlfriend!" Luckily, I've grown up since then and realized the error of my ways.

One more thing. Did I mention I saw Mr. Lemon's girlfriend?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hehehehehehe.

(Story here, if anyone is interested.)

Too skinny to be my girlfriend.

[Glaucon]

I think in the toxic modern workplace, you have to approach it like a mercenary. You go there, do your job, but that is it. You keep to yourself, you do not engage any off hours activity (happy hours, workplace events etc...), you filter people hard, do not talk about politics, or anything about your personal life.

[rpg]

A great lawyer can get you money or your job back for wrongful termination.
In todays age everybody needs a lawyer. It sucks I know.

[captain_shane]

(05-02-2019 10:11 PM)rpg Wrote:  

A great lawyer can get you money or your job back for wrongful termination.
In todays age everybody needs a lawyer. It sucks I know.

Hire a lawyer to get his job back at Walmart?

[Leonard D Neubache]

(05-02-2019 05:57 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  

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What's the best way to keep this documentation? Does it have to be a notebook with numbered and glued together pages (so that it's clear that the author didn't replace them later)? How about a digital document, like a text file on your personal cell phone? Would that work?

That bit there.

Don't do digital except to keep a picture of each page in case your ledger is lost or taken into evidence. Be sure to write in details of a reference number of any supporting documents (IE [refer to pay stub #00162]) and don't leave any gaps on the pages that could be used to write in later, either by you or anyone else. Fill those gaps with a box with a big X through it.

Don't write your feelings in there. Just facts. The exception is if you plan to one day bring a suit against anyone for mental anguish of any kind.

Don't speculate. Focus on facts and evidence and include gossip only as testimony.

And remember just as you use that book against others, once it's existence becomes known it can be used against you too depending on what you've put in it.

That said, if you work in an environment where you have to do this kind of shit then you're going to die of cancer in a couple of years anyway so it's much of a muchness.

[RawGod]

The "haha" in the thread title set off my "young and dumb" or "idiot" alarm. There's a reason why other posters assumed you are a young guy. Yet you're 36. Get your shit together. Make mistakes, sure, but learn from them. You can't go around putting your thumb in the eye of people who have power over you just because you're a take-no-shit man. You need to gain power over your own life. That often means keeping quiet and working on your plans in humility.

[Tigre]

(05-03-2019 01:17 AM)RawGod Wrote:  

The "haha" in the thread title set off my "young and dumb" or "idiot" alarm. There's a reason why other posters assumed you are a young guy. Yet you're 36. Get your shit together. Make mistakes, sure, but learn from them. You can't go around putting your thumb in the eye of people who have power over you just because you're a take-no-shit man. You need to gain power over your own life. That often means keeping quiet and working on your plans in humility.

^ Co-sign that. Good instincts.

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I had a very unpleasant experience, that felt like betrayal or it WAS betrayal by this woman, I do not have any sort of sexual relationship with her, but I did "care" and I am not talking about the way a "nice guy" would supplicate and be a lap dog or whatever. After what happened to me, I walked away. Which by the way I work with her. She thinks she did or said nothing wrong, like when I am at work she tries to "talk" to me or whatever and im like "is she really oblivious?" and of course I cant say what is really on my mind and call her a fucking cunt because I can get fired for that lol.

So does anyone have any advice on handling a female co-worker who betrayed you or felt like she did?

I have already walked away, and want nothing to do with her and tend to keep my distant (talking professionally ONLY) but it still hurts me on the inside, I keep my face up til I can go somewhere along during my breaks or whatever and let all my anger and frustration out. So any other thing I can do, I am open to other suggestions.

[bgbusiness]

Oh wow, OP is 36?

Hey man no offense, but this is some amateur mistake how you got fired.
Yeah, it's just a job and you can get another one, but you are 36. You should have your career established at this point. Get your life together man, you going to be 40 pretty soon.

I wonder if you were the general manager at the branch that you were working at least because that will mean that you had somewhat of competency and something going on in your life. However at the same time, if you were a manager, I would think that you wouldn't make such mistake or laugh at this situation because the job would have been pretty serious to you.

I am turning 26 in couple months and I am already sensing how some girls wouldn't even take me seriously if I didn't have a solid career going on with my own place, own car, etc.

[Heath0888]

(05-03-2019 02:36 AM)Tigre Wrote:  

(05-03-2019 01:17 AM)RawGod Wrote:  

The "haha" in the thread title set off my "young and dumb" or "idiot" alarm. There's a reason why other posters assumed you are a young guy. Yet you're 36. Get your shit together. Make mistakes, sure, but learn from them. You can't go around putting your thumb in the eye of people who have power over you just because you're a take-no-shit man. You need to gain power over your own life. That often means keeping quiet and working on your plans in humility.

^ Co-sign that. Good instincts.

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I had a very unpleasant experience, that felt like betrayal or it WAS betrayal by this woman, I do not have any sort of sexual relationship with her, but I did "care" and I am not talking about the way a "nice guy" would supplicate and be a lap dog or whatever. After what happened to me, I walked away. Which by the way I work with her. She thinks she did or said nothing wrong, like when I am at work she tries to "talk" to me or whatever and im like "is she really oblivious?" and of course I cant say what is really on my mind and call her a fucking cunt because I can get fired for that lol.

So does anyone have any advice on handling a female co-worker who betrayed you or felt like she did?

I have already walked away, and want nothing to do with her and tend to keep my distant (talking professionally ONLY) but it still hurts me on the inside, I keep my face up til I can go somewhere along during my breaks or whatever and let all my anger and frustration out. So any other thing I can do, I am open to other suggestions.

Yup, that is exactly what was going on. She was the cause of my reason of getting fired along with her gay best friend who is an assistant manager. Basically, there was gossip going on about me in the workplace and it got back to the managers and then I got fired based on what someone else says, twisting my words. So a lesson learned, "keep your mouth shut".

So would you like to know the hell I been through in my first year?

[Heath0888]

Ok guys. I know some of you are well intentioned, some of YOU are very young and I appreciate that. I do have respect just so you know. But I am going to write down some things. I been through hell at this workplace.

I was called into the office over 10 times in one year because WOMEN had a problem with me. I received 3 coachings and the person responsible for these coachings was an assistant manager who is feminine and gay and was friends with most of the female managers especially friends with the one that is mentioned in the post as "Female coworker".

First coaching, when I was asking a business related question, and I got coached for "talking". (because I asked a question). Second as maintenance, I was coached that some female associate said I was in the bathroom (as I work in maintenance) talking to her, I wasn't talking to anyone, I was trying to change the paper towels but the associate walked in on me. (bullshit) Oh and this second one was completely bogus because, I asked for proof that I did any of those things, you know what I was told? It was proof enough that the associate went to them because that associate NEVER EVER goes to any managers, etc. Third coaching was that I was "lingering around" and giving Christmas cards out....(which is bullshit because wherever managers saw me I was mostly working, so I was doing my job, I wont even get into the reason for Christmas cards )
Who is central to all of these coachings? the assistant manager who was gay.

So finally, I was fired because some associates were twisting my words into something it was not. Technically I was fired based on LIES.

As for the other things I was called into the office for it was always some associate (Female) complaining about me. I was really shocked by how many women have such an issue with me. None of the guys really had a problem with me. The only men who do have a problem with me are pussy-whipped and don't have any balls (they are assistant managers kissing the ass of the Store Manager who is a woman, and co-manager is also a woman). So yeah I been through hell trying to keep my damned job over a year.

I was part time, I needed a full-time position. So I kept asking about the full time position. Well they didn't like the fact I was gonna get a secondary job because they wouldn't make me full time. So when I hit my year mark. I guess they wanted to find a reason to get rid of me because they didn't want to make me full time. I was told by someone I was one of the best they had in maintenance. Fully we had 5 people in maintenance, two left maintenance and now they fired me. There is only three people in maintenance. One guy is 70 years old, another is 23 and he is a big and slow, and the other is 19 years old and basically doesn't want to do his job. I was the only one who was fast, efficient and good at what I do because I am in shape and I am working on myself. (which I still am)

One of the female managers who always wanted to "talk" to me as mentioned was one of the assistant managers.

If there is anything I learned from all of this, how badly feminism is really a plague and shall I say "fuck Walmart." The responses of these workers, I don't know they just seem very weak. They couldn't handle someone masculine. Yes it was a stupid mistake to even start working there, I own up to that but I am going to learn from it. What is life as a man without making mistakes? I prefer to make mistakes than go for security where I am "safe", and kissing someone's ass or being "nice". That is not who I am.

[AntoniusofEfa]

Take up a trade, and you will not have to suffer this bullshit. Myself, I work in a STEM field, and my site has few female employees. They are all actually level headed, hard-working women.

[SW15]

The environment described by the OP is pretty common in non physical labor work. I'm an office worker. I definitely see the value in labor/trades work as a result of doing the whole college and now white collar work thing.

My previous job, which I lasted at for many years, devolved over time. About halfway through my time there, my male boss resigned and I got a female boss. That was not ideal, but the worst part was that the whole department was overseen by a woman who was a feminist. She became the head of the department within my first year there, but it took her about a year to really mold the department to her personal ideology. Predictably, things got bad.

I sense that almost all office work has elements of my previous job.

[Malone]

So you were fired from your part-time janitor job at Walmart because you pissed off your women supervisors and coworkers, probably with your awkward, spergy behaviour.

Get a fucking trade already. Go work labor on a construction site and beg for an apprenticeship or save up for the school. I know a guy who became a plumber's apprentice at 46. He's now a ticketed, journeyman plumber.

Your hell is of your own making. Fix it or stop complaining about it. If you want advice on specifics there are some threads you can dip into.

[Dr. Howard]

^ As Roastbeef said above. Keep a Journal. Even if it doesn't save your ass from legal trouble in the future it allows you to look back and see how you've changed. If your journal says "got written up by manager" for 4-5 weeks running you can probably think that termination is coming soon. You can also track your goals.

Even if a journal isn't immaculate it gives you credibility as someone who pays attention, and gives you facts to anchor on. One classic story that I heard when younger was about this old logger that got hauled in for negligence causing death at work. The government said that he didn't do maintenance on this machine, thats why this guy died. He said the operator was a loose cannon and got himself killed. The government prosecutor says "well what proof do you have that you actually did the maintenance checks?!". The old logger says "my journals". He brings them with him the next day and they are shoeboxes of empty cigarette packages. He would write his notes on the back of his cigarette pack each day and put them in a shoebox when he got home. Government lost.

[RoastBeefCurtains4Me]

(05-02-2019 05:57 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  

(05-02-2019 11:51 AM)RoastBeefCurtains4Me Wrote:  

My wife has a policy of keeping a ledger or a journal of what goes on at work. She's done this for decades. Anytime some boss gives her shit, or some other employee causes problems, she documents it. There have been a number of times over the years at different jobs where she used her ledger when the shit hit the fan.

The thing is, if something is put in writing, it has a significant legal status. This is why you write your invention in your engineering notebook and date it, so you can defend your patent later on. This is why you send a letter to a business when you have a dispute, rather than simply speaking to them on the phone.

In the case of employment issues, having a written and dated record of your side of events is a powerful form of evidence, which can trump the other party's verbal claims. One time a customer came into my wife's store and was stealing stuff, and my wife threw her out. The customer claimed racism, reported it to the city anti-discrimination board, and my wife was called to testify. She pulled out her ledger, and was able to refute the charges. You can imagine what kind of shit show it is to get called in front of one of those bullshit SJW boards, so this just goes to show the power of maintaining written documentation of events. (On a side note, this is what Comey was trying to do with the memos he wrote each time he met with Trump.)

I generally haven't bothered with doing this except for one time when I had a problem employee. I started documenting all her shortcomings. At a certain point, she said she was going to complain to my boss about some bullshit, and I showed her the list of problem behaviors I had documented. She ended up quitting instead, which is what I wanted.

What's the best way to keep this documentation? Does it have to be a notebook with numbered and glued together pages (so that it's clear that the author didn't replace them later)? How about a digital document, like a text file on your personal cell phone? Would that work?

I think a paper journal, legal pad, or spiral bound notebook is all you need. I think it would be better to have paper than electronic.

The notebook has to have regular entries, ideally covering other events than the one in which the notebook is being used as evidence. This helps to show that it really was written at the time of the events, and not after some controversy or accusations were made.

[RoastBeefCurtains4Me]

(05-03-2019 09:35 AM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  

^ As Roastbeef said above. Keep a Journal. Even if it doesn't save your ass from legal trouble in the future it allows you to look back and see how you've changed. If your journal says "got written up by manager" for 4-5 weeks running you can probably think that termination is coming soon. You can also track your goals.

Even if a journal isn't immaculate it gives you credibility as someone who pays attention, and gives you facts to anchor on. One classic story that I heard when younger was about this old logger that got hauled in for negligence causing death at work. The government said that he didn't do maintenance on this machine, thats why this guy died. He said the operator was a loose cannon and got himself killed. The government prosecutor says "well what proof do you have that you actually did the maintenance checks?!". The old logger says "my journals". He brings them with him the next day and they are shoeboxes of empty cigarette packages. He would write his notes on the back of his cigarette pack each day and put them in a shoebox when he got home. Government lost.

Great example. It just goes to show that written notes have a powerful legal status, and it doesn't have to be anything fancy. Just document things as they happen, and if shit hits the fan later on down the road, your side of the story has strong backing. You still have to be in the right for it to work, but if you are, and you documented it, then false accusations won't stick, and the accuser will likely be in hot water for their false accusations.

That being said, Leonard's advice is solid, about Xing out white space and including document references and other things.

Finally, it's not that bad having other people know you have a journal. My wife has had her boss ask her if she still keeps notes on things, and she said yes. Whatever the issue was got dropped and she never even found out what it was. This boss supported her, and was happy to have ammunition to stop an attack on one of his people before it even got started. Saved him a lot of headaches too, I'm sure.

Regarding the OP, if he can't hold a janitor job at 36, it sounds like he has more fundamental problems than dealing with feminist and SJW managers. Learning a trade and getting into a more masculine work environment would probably help, but it sounds like he needs to get his shit together at a basic level and start handling things a lot more responsibly.

[TheBadGuy]

OP, one issue that you should keep in mind is that you should learn from these situations. I am not saying you did anything overtly wrong or inappropriate (I would have no way of truly knowing that), however, even in situations where you feel you are not at fault, you should break down the situation and learn from it. You should learn how you could do things differently to avoid the problems you had altogether. It is so easy to blame all of the externals and everyone else for our problems, however, there is no growth from that.

Getting a job in a masculine environment might make these issues go away and learning from this experience unnecessary, however, if you get a job in a mixed environment, you cannot act the same way and expect a different result. Take a deeper look and figure out how you can do things differently next time. Best of luck.

[Scott]

I've unfortunately known a few people like the OP. Despite the few other posts they've made in this thread, it still appears this is a case that they couldn't just shut up, do their job and keep their head down. If the women you worked with had a problem with you, then you must have said something. You must have misread a situation (or five) and this has set them against you. You say the men don't have a problem with you, which I don't doubt, but unfortunately it sounds like your environment called for tact and an ability to keep quiet - which you failed to do. If you're in your 30s and are still working in retail then you should devote your energies to developing your career and getting a better job, not getting involved in drama.

That may sound like I'm preaching a very obedient attitude and not standing up for yourself, but if you're on ground level in a massive corporation how do you think mouthing off will help you?

[torridon747]

@scott

Naw that's bullshit. In the modern faggot ass work environment you can do absolutely nothing wrong and be targeted forever. Not having the right politics, one off handed joke at a lunch break, criticizing the offices pet 7/10 thottie when you have to do her work for her. You would be surprised. A lot of these jobs are busy work jobs that shouldn't even exist.

If you work in some gay SJW office environment I advise not talking to anyone about anything that's not about work. Do your work and do it well. Go to lunch alone, only attend the (seemingly mandatory) office Christmas parties - do it with a date, don't drink, and leave early. HR departments are filled with rabid feminists, faggots, and people looking for a reason to destroy you, your career and your livelihood. They do it for fun and to justify their jobs through manufactured drama under the guise of preventing lawsuits and loss. 85% percent of their jobs are gossip.

That said OP sounds like he fucked up in some way and doesn't realize he needs to at the very least keep his mouth shut, ideally actively not engage with anyone about anything that's not work

[renotime]

Why would you even want to work at Wal Mart? I don't even like shopping in that place.

And if you were getting in trouble for a solid year you should have been trying to get on at Costco or Target.

Either you start your own business or you find a job working outdoors or in a mine or anywhere else women avoid going.

[Heath0888]

(05-03-2019 03:39 PM)Eugenics Wrote:  

@scott

Naw that's bullshit. In the modern faggot ass work environment you can do absolutely nothing wrong and be targeted forever. Not having the right politics, one off handed joke at a lunch break, criticizing the offices pet 7/10 thottie when you have to do her work for her. You would be surprised. A lot of these jobs are busy work jobs that shouldn't even exist.

If you work in some gay SJW office environment I advise not talking to anyone about anything that's not about work. Do your work and do it well. Go to lunch alone, only attend the (seemingly mandatory) office Christmas parties - do it with a date, don't drink, and leave early. HR departments are filled with rabid feminists, faggots, and people looking for a reason to destroy you, your career and your livelihood. They do it for fun and to justify their jobs through manufactured drama under the guise of preventing lawsuits and loss. 85% percent of their jobs are gossip.

That said OP sounds like he fucked up in some way and doesn't realize he needs to at the very least keep his mouth shut, ideally actively not engage with anyone about anything that's not work

I did screw up big time and yeah I did learn from it.

[AOC's Missing Boyfriend]

(05-03-2019 03:39 PM)Eugenics Wrote:  

@scott

Naw that's bullshit. In the modern faggot ass work environment you can do absolutely nothing wrong and be targeted forever. Not having the right politics, one off handed joke at a lunch break, criticizing the offices pet 7/10 thottie when you have to do her work for her. You would be surprised. A lot of these jobs are busy work jobs that shouldn't even exist.

If you work in some gay SJW office environment I advise not talking to anyone about anything that's not about work. Do your work and do it well. Go to lunch alone, only attend the (seemingly mandatory) office Christmas parties - do it with a date, don't drink, and leave early. HR departments are filled with rabid feminists, faggots, and people looking for a reason to destroy you, your career and your livelihood. They do it for fun and to justify their jobs through manufactured drama under the guise of preventing lawsuits and loss. 85% percent of their jobs are gossip.

That said OP sounds like he fucked up in some way and doesn't realize he needs to at the very least keep his mouth shut, ideally actively not engage with anyone about anything that's not work

It becomes a question of how do you displace your frustration about the situation. Of course you could snap back at your coworkers or the person giving you hell, verbally assaulting them. But that is not the solution of course. You have a double life. You are polite but aloof. You keep yourself busy. You don't waste time. If you do waste time, you make it looks like you're doing something of substance. You do your job above and beyond what the average peon would do. You have to do it this way, because you're held to another standard as a white male, you have to get work done or you're fired. You do not involve yourself in workplace politics, and if you have to, you only align yourself with the higher ups. It's tough going to be sure.

Things get better though. You get to go home at the end of the day, you don't have to talk about football, or office gossip, or celebrities. You can go to the gym, go to a masculine place, go to the range, etc. You can live a second life outside of your job if you compartmentalize right. You travel, and much more. But you give the people no ammunition at the office. You are as bland as bland can be. And you sure as Hell don't flirt with women. No way. You have access to Tinder and a whole bevy of options. You don't shit where you work.

Yeah, maybe your job is redundant, but the secret is to milk it for all the money it's worth, then get the hell out. Life is easier than it has ever been in history. But we live in a decadent society and you should not expect it to last forever. "Turn on, tune in, drop out" as Timothy Leary once said.

[tomzestatlu]

I work in the same environment, but in Eastern Europe and it´s different. I am deputy manager in shop, my boss is a woman and the majority of my subordinates are women.

I have been used to men-only environment and working with women is something new to me. I must admit, they are gossiping a lot, they have to be explained everyting a lot. But on the other hand, I don´t have much problems with them.
Sometimes I call them feminists, but it´s just for fun and they accept it like that. They are not attractive, so I can´t be sexist towards them, but they are sexist to me a LOT. They often tell me to go working without shirt or so. One always spanks my butt. Me and my male colleague often comment on sexy women customers and our female coworkers are jealous. But it´s always fun.

My boss is a woman of the same age as me (26). I must say she is very competent for her job and I must, I would never imagine I could appreciate my boss so much. Her goal is to become manager coach and she works towards it very hard. She totally accepts, that I am a man and I have different approach to many things and often we are joking about it. I must admit, that working with her is really enriching and pleasant.
I don´t find her physically attractive, but I think she´s a lot into me and maybe that´s my advantage. On personal level we get on very well.

They are also gays. One of them is also very competent and he will be raised to same position as I am (he really deserves that) and you never would guess he is gay. On the other hand, until recently there was one and he was the typical attention seeking gay whore. Unpredictable and psychically unstable. I tried to approach him "normally", because there would be only problems with him. Recently we had an argue and I lost my nervers and said the word "fuck" and he immediately turned it against me, claiming, that I told him "fuck YOU". Anyway, me and my boss found something against him (some kind of financial fraud) and last week he was fired.

Recently two 18 y.o. part time workers appeared in our shop. I banged one and I am going to bang also the second. I know that nobody will report me for sexual harassment, but I my colleagues found out, they probably would be jealous as hell and maybe changed approach towards me.

I am glad, that situation here is not that fucked up, as in USA. But it´s getting worse. Anyway I can still look like a man and behaves like a man and it´s even my big advantage, so it´s okay.

[Rorogue]

(05-02-2019 10:28 PM)captain_shane Wrote:  

(05-02-2019 10:11 PM)rpg Wrote:  

A great lawyer can get you money or your job back for wrongful termination.
In todays age everybody needs a lawyer. It sucks I know.

Hire a lawyer to get his job back at Walmart?

The perfect lawyer for such a highly sophisticared job