[BostonBMW]

Believe it or not, I used direct game on a fucking city bus and it worked pretty well. I had seen this girl around the neighborhood before, got a ring in her lip. Anyways, the bus is full -- I still got on cuz I had just gotten a haircut and wanted to get to crib to take a shower.

- I'm literally across from her (in a crowded bus) and I see her looking at me, fixing her hair, licking her lips.
- I immediately knew that this bitch was DTF, but couldn't exactly yell the opener in a bus full of people.
- So I got off at my stop - as I was getting off, I give her a nod towards the doors.
- 3 seconds later she's off the bus.
- I immediately ask her "you've got a nice piercing, made me wonder what else you have pierced? (smirk)" She responds with "how curious are you?"

and it was on..

3 hours and 4 rounds later, I finally took that shower...this girl was straight up wanting that dick, didn't even care that I had just gotten my hair cut and needed to shower.

Overall though, I prefer indirect, puts less pressure on the interaction, plus you can gauge the reaction to see if shes feelin it or not.

[gringochileno]

I open indirect probably 90% of the time but I have gotten bangs out of approaches that convey interest right away, like "You are way too cute to let get away" or "Hey you're pretty cute, do you like hairy Jewish guys?". You get rejected more often going direct but the great benefit is that if the girl is down you can escalate very quickly. Using that first direct opener got me a makeout in under 10 minutes and the second one led to a bang in under 30 minutes with a brazilian girl.

[jariel]

If you think about most of your notches, chances are you employed direct game without realizing it. I'd venture to say that you're more likely to end up fucking a chick if you go direct vs. indirect, but you can win using either, it just depends on the case.

Direct doesn't mean, "so ya, I envision being balls deep in you in about a hour, what color are your sheets?" It means that you are going to in some fashion communicate to her what is that you want from her sooner rather than later. For dudes who are still involved in night game, direct is the best way to go because in a lot of these cases, anything that's going to happen, has to happen that night (or some time shortly after, perhaps the next 24-48 hours) for a variety of reasons.

Indirect makes more sense for girls who are in your life on a regular basis -- school, work (a no-no), neighbors, etc. -- in other words, there is time for you to plant the seed and watch it grow, otherwise you risk coming off looking thirsty or maybe just scaring her off.

From what I've gathered, for a lot of dudes, indirect game makes them look disingenuous because they know from jump that they want to fuck the chick, but they try to play as if they are indifferent to the pussy, so it's like "ya I want to fuck you, but I'm going to pretend I'm as uninterested as possible for a while, before I finally decide to make the move towards fucking you."

Any desirable girl has been hit on so much that she knows when a guy is trying to get at her, tight indirect game can get around that, but most girls will be turned off when she knows a dude wants her, but he's dancing around it as hard as he can.

Most dudes use indirect game because they don't want to be rejected right away, let's just put that out there now.

[gringochileno]

(08-01-2011 07:13 AM)jariel Wrote:  

If you think about most of your notches, chances are you employed direct game without realizing it. I'd venture to say that you're more likely to end up fucking a chick if you go direct vs. indirect, but you can win using either, it just depends on the case.

Direct doesn't mean, "so ya, I envision being balls deep in you in about a hour, what color are your sheets?" It means that you are going to in some fashion communicate to her what is that you want from her sooner rather than later. For dudes who are still involved in night game, direct is the best way to go because in a lot of these cases, anything that's going to happen, has to happen that night (or some time shortly after, perhaps the next 24-48 hours) for a variety of reasons.

Indirect makes more sense for girls who are in your life on a regular basis -- school, work (a no-no), neighbors, etc. -- in other words, there is time for you to plant the seed and watch it grow, otherwise you risk coming off looking thirsty or maybe just scaring her off.

From what I've gathered, for a lot of dudes, indirect game makes them look disingenuous because they know from jump that they want to fuck the chick, but they try to play as if they are indifferent to the pussy, so it's like "ya I want to fuck you, but I'm going to pretend I'm as uninterested as possible for a while, before I finally decide to make the move towards fucking you."

Any desirable girl has been hit on so much that she knows when a guy is trying to get at her, tight indirect game can get around that, but most girls will be turned off when she knows a dude wants her, but he's dancing around it as hard as he can.

Most dudes use indirect game because they don't want to be rejected right away, let's just put that out there now.

The girl has to be attracted to you in the moment that you show interest. Using a direct opener is basically a bet that the girl is attracted by her immediate first impression of you. Sometimes it pays off, but a certain percentage of the time you get rejected right away when you could have built attraction with tight game before making a move. I generally only go direct when I'm getting obvious IOIs like eye-fucking before the approach or when I don't have a lot of time for logistical reasons.

[Moma]

The thing with lizards is, you have to build up a level of attraction in her. Applying direct game before you have built up that level adequately will result in her being turned off especially in this era of thirsty cats.

So you have to trigger her interest and build it up to a sexual point.

Direct works when you have now adequately built her interest to a point where she is sexually piqued enough. Direct merely seals the deal, sign her on the dotted line, congratulations on your new policy etc.

It's like sales. If you are walking through the mall and someone says "Hey, do you want a car, sign here and they tell you the price of the car"
You'll most likely say no thanks even if you want a car.

The only way you will sign that deed is if you are desperately in search of a car and you don't want to go through the grammar of a sales pitch.

Lizards can be:

1) Genuinely NOT interested (punany sore from a vicious sexual beatdown from her sexual partner literally before going to the club, on her period, etc)
2) Neutral (can be taken into sexual interest by your game, piquing her sexual interest etc)
3) Very interested (horny and ready to fcuk; all you need is to get her to sign on the dotted line).

Genuine disinterest will not get her to fcuk you and no amount of game will pull that off. Direct game can reduce the time frame in finding that out.

However for women in the 2 category which most 7s and higher are in (even 4's and 5's given the male thirst these days), spitting direct game will let her think that you are:
1) Desperate or crazy IMO.

If she says no, with direct game, what happens next? No at times can mean not yet or tell me more.

If you hit her up with a "Your place or mine" and she replies "I'm not that type of girl, try those other lizards in the corner"..how do you continue that from a direct game standpoint.

It's a feel situation. Some cultures are turned off by direct game and depending where you are and who you are dealing with, spitting direct game will actually burn the pussy when if you had allowed plausible deniability, you could have had her popping on your pogo.

In my opinion and personal experience, direct game doesn't work on Canadian women in Toronto. I've tried it and gotten zero. So I have to just run a heavy numbers game and let the females mature in batches so that I'm never too bothered if I catch a flake or ten.

[Basil Ransom]

(08-01-2011 11:35 AM)gringochileno Wrote:  

The girl has to be attracted to you in the moment that you show interest.

Strong posts all around. This bit reminds me of an important tack we've all internalized: you've got to escalate when she's responding well. The pickup hits some bumps, and she's not feeling it for a moment or two. And I don't mean last minute resistance. Doubling down with escalation at this point will creep her out.

Indirect game is essential in sensitive surroundings or where you'll see the girl again and again, eg work or social circle. You can't go around an intimate house party spitting direct game at every girl. Keep it somewhat indirect, and one or the other will make her interest known.

An attractive woman at night assumes that every guy talking to her wants to bang her. That's not a problem per se. It's just inaccurate to say that by going indirect, the girl doesn't know you want her. That's BS. Even during the day, she probably still thinks you want to bang. Even if you never verbally allude to it, if you're physically escalating, the girl will never think you hid your intents. You don't have to go direct to be perceived as forward and aggressive.

Gringo/Roosh, great line.

My best direct opening ever: I walked up to a girl, hands out, animatedly pointing at my dick, and start thrusting in her general direction. Banged her later that night. Admittedly, "dick in a box" was playing at the time, and it was in a Danish Folkehøjskole (folk school) with the second sluttiest girl there.

[MiXX]

What song was playing at the time???? Dick in the box???? Huuuh?

Mixx

[TheWolfHowls]

For the life of me, women seem to react better when i do direct game. Its as if they can feel that sexual attraction I have for them. i just love it that they show equal enthusiam and sometimes when i shake their hand, they hold it and don't let go. Eventho i haven't fucked really hot girls yet cuz of logistics, etc.....i can tell to an extent they were pretty attracted and they were my type.

I think the guys who criticize direct about "You have to build value" etc...

I disagree with that. I feel when you approach directly, in a self assured, confident manner....it really gives a big impression with a woman. It shows value because these days, what man has the confidence to go up to a woman sober knowing full well she could reject him? It takes a certain man with a thick skin who doesn't mind rejection. Plus when your progressing further, things seem so natural when your getting more sexual with her.

Another thing, another criticism of direct is that your forcing a decision to make a choice.The truth is, women have already decided with in the first second if she would ever fuck your or not. The guys who claim that indirect gets a woman who didn't want to fuck him, now wanting to fuck him....i disagree with that. I feel that the woman considered him in the fuck category BUT she just needed to warm up to the guy at first.

Plus women are too flip flop these days that you could be wasting too much time to where then its like, "I wasted 40 minutes talking to her and getting nowhere..." whereas when you put out your interest in her off the bat, it filters out the girls that will make things easier or alot harder. Women don't like this because they can't get flattering attention or manipulative him BUT they can't help but be sexually attracted to a guy like that.

Plus girls going out at night have short attention spans, so with indirect....you might bore those types whereas direct, it keeps their attention as its a seduction because its so rare.

I'm not talking about drunk guys or guys who are chumpish and say "Your beautiful" Thats not direct! Thats chode game.

I also hear of guys criticizing that it will scare girls away. The thing is, its not that they're SCARED per se. Its more on the lines of it being an overwhelming feeling that they can't handle and eject because it was too much. In my experience, there were women that ejected BUT then a few days later when i spotted them they had a smile on their face when they saw me. The common response was they were so shocked in the moment.

They also said they couldn't believe a man has the confidence to do something like that. So it was more the shock overwhelming than them being scared.

I've heard women get more uncomfortable by guys who try to play the indirect route of pretending NOT to like them but in fact do. Women do like these types as its safe and they can get all the attention they want.

But at the same time, its boring because its predictable. Many know a guy is going up to them to hit on them BUT what they don't know if the guy has the balls to not hide that fact. The Attention whores/time wasters don't like direct guys because they won't give her the attention she only wants. So isn't that who we don't want to deal with?

Now for social knit situations, direct has hurt me. Reason being is that girls worry more about what the other things and want to have a certain image. Thats why i don't prefer them because i feel i have to hold back whats natural to me. Am I capable of flying under the radar? Course but do it in a gamey way? Not really.

Now if its gaming bartenders, strippers or other hired guns....I'll glady do Indirect Game since they're in work mode and have a strategy for that. Otherwise, if its gaming random girls...Why should I go indirect if Direct feels better and women seem to respond to it?

[MiXX]

Bottom line:

Each player must game what makes him the most comfortable. The more comfortable you are with your chosen path, the more in control and in charge you come across to a female. She will interpret that as confidence and bold.

There is no "one size fits all" method, or we'd all be getting laid (or getting slapped) tonight by pointing at our dicks and saying nothing more!

Mixx

[Moma]

@The wolfhowls

Can you give me some of your openers, middle ranges and closers for direct game?

I don't think it works for me but maybe it's all about tone.

Mine goes like this:

Me: "What you saying, what's your name?" (I used to also add: you look boom but that only works in London..it seems too simpish in Toronto)

Her: Catherine

Me: That's a nice name. My name is <insert whatever name I am using for the evening>

Her: Okay (if she is closed question responding, if she is open question, she will elaborate)

Me: So where you from? You from these sides? This area?

Her: Yes or no

Regardless of where she is from I have enough geographic intel to escalate from there.

Now from this point, if she has been giving me yes/no answers, I get bored.
At this point, I go for close.

Me: Come let's go and dance.

Her: No, I can't dance Or: My friends are here.

Me: Yea we'll just be moving, this song is crazy.

Her: No.

Me: Come to the ride, I've got something for you (I'm going for broke here, I really don't give a shyt and I am trying to shake her up, might shake something loose from the slut tree).

Thoughts?

[TheWolfHowls]

Very true MixXX, women tend to mirror your state. If your uncomfortable trying to game a way you don't want to but feel you have to, they'll feel that. One woman told me one time I literally creeped her out. I then realized it was because i was doing something that wasn't natural to me and it felt awkward.

Also what guys must realize is that direct is definitely a mindset.

Suppose a guy goes direct as in she's cute and your gonna talk to her. Now if a woman says, "That's not a good opener. Why don't you tell a girl you find her interesting?" A guy who's incongruent will agree. A congruent direct guy will say, "Sorry but that's all i care to say, that your cute. The interest part, i'll find out for myself" Thats being congruent.

I think both styles work, it depends on what you like more. I think its unfair for some direct fanboys to criticize indirect for stupid reasons.

[TheWolfHowls]

(08-01-2011 01:28 PM)Moma Wrote:  

@The wolfhowls

Can you give me some of your openers, middle ranges and closers for direct game?

Absolutely!

You are Damn sexy...and i'm going to get to know you....

Your are so fucking gorgeous...there's no way in hell i'm gonna not tlak to ou.

You're quite stunning, i'm glad we're meeting each other

I'm not suppose to hit on you, but i'm going to do it anyways....

When i'm nervous: I am not going to lie...i'm feeling a bit nervous right now because your too cute not to meet .

Quote:

I don't think it works for me but maybe it's all about tone.

Mine goes like this:

Me: "What you saying, what's your name?" (I used to also add: you look boom but that only works in London..it seems too simpish in Toronto)

Her: Catherine

Its definitely about tone. When you open, you have to show enthusiam because the pros and cons about direct is that she can feel if you are enthusastic to meet her or not.

Quote:

Me: That's a nice name. My name is <insert whatever name I am using for the evening>

Her: Okay (if she is closed question responding, if she is open question, she will elaborate)

Me: So where you from? You from these sides? This area?

I think its better to show more enthusiasm. It sounding like an interview.

Also what i usually do is this:

(take her hand to twirl around to check her out)

or

"That top is too distracting, i'd focus on your eyes...but its too damn hard."

or

(As we introduce each other, i'll grab both her hands and hold on to them while i'm talking to her)

or

When we talk about each other's jobs, i usually tell her i'm a computer nerd and that looks can be deceiving.

I also telll her i'm not good to date. They ask why. I tell them that i'm not the committed type and tell her some of my flaws(Stubborness, tunnel vision, independence) etc. The funny is that they seem to be more curious becuase they're use to guys hyping themselves up.

Quote:

Her: Yes or no

Regardless of where she is from I have enough geographic intel to escalate from there.

Now from this point, if she has been giving me yes/no answers, I get bored.
At this point, I go for close.

I think in these cases, def proceed to touch and isolate her as soon as possible. Course that comes with calibration. I sometimes even ask her, "See anyone over there you like?" they find it funny because most girls are to guys talking about them but when u bring about another guy, she realizes u don't take urself too seriously.

Quote:

Me: Come let's go and dance.

Her: No, I can't dance Or: My friends are here.

Me: Yea we'll just be moving, this song is crazy.

"Come...lets go and dance."...then take her hand and then start walking. Girls are more inclined to deny when u verbalize it but when you just do it...even if the resist...if pull with some force...they'll stop resisting and go with it. Some women do it on purpose and want to give the feeling of being won over. Hell sometimes when girls have resisted, the friends will push her to come with me LOL.

Quote:

Her: No.

Me: Come to the ride, I've got something for you (I'm going for broke here, I really don't give a shyt and I am trying to shake her up, might shake something loose from the slut tree).

Thoughts?

I think in this case, if she's still there and not going anywhere and talking...keep going. But if she still says one word answers. I'd move on. No use trying so hard for a girl thats making it harder

Also i get rejected now and then, but its only usually when things are progressing along.

[Moma]

@thewolfhowls - I really like the see anyone over there you like. It'll flip her brain.
Yea, I'm using that on my next venture. I'm also thinking of heaping compliments on whoever she is looking at i.e. wow, he is quite tall, he's very muscular, his swag is absurdly cool blah blah.

Then it will get her thinking about why I am able to compliment some stranger in her presence..either it means I have low self esteem or I am very comfortable with my self. My tone will determine which category she places me in..
Hmm..you got me thinking, Sir Wolf, you got me thinking..

[TheWolfHowls]

Thanks my man! ...most guys i know don't like to do direct so its refreshing for me except a few

Yea, women are use to guys trying to hype themselves up at the best thing. When you hype someone else up that could be a potential rival for her affection, it surprises her because it really shows your comfortable with yourself and am not threatened. Hell one time i told a girl i was on a date with that she should talk to the guy with the funny tie she was looking at but she didn't :-p. LOL.

[Samseau]

(08-01-2011 01:58 PM)TheWolfHowls Wrote:  

Thanks my man! ...most guys i know don't like to do direct so its refreshing for me except a few

Yea, women are use to guys trying to hype themselves up at the best thing. When you hype someone else up that could be a potential rival for her affection, it surprises her because it really shows your comfortable with yourself and am not threatened. Hell one time i told a girl i was on a date with that she should talk to the guy with the funny tie she was looking at but she didn't :-p. LOL.

The way I dance might be considered direct game. My opener is to offer my hand.

[Walderschmidt]

(08-01-2011 12:54 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

What song was playing at the time???? Dick in the box???? Huuuh?

Mixx

Mixx,

This is the 'Dick in a Box' song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Usc_9izbJBU

The counterpart to the Dick in Box song is the Jizzed in my Pants Song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLnWf1sQkjY&ob=av3e

The girls in the Dick in a Box song seem to appreciate thier gift, heh.

Wald

[MiXX]

(08-01-2011 08:58 PM)Walderschmidt Wrote:  

(08-01-2011 12:54 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

What song was playing at the time???? Dick in the box???? Huuuh?

Mixx

Mixx,

This is the 'Dick in a Box' song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Usc_9izbJBU

The counterpart to the Dick in Box song is the Jizzed in my Pants Song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLnWf1sQkjY&ob=av3e

The girls in the Dick in a Box song seem to appreciate thier gift, heh.

Wald

LMAO! Dude that song is hilarious! I love how they made it look like a 90's version of a Color Me Badd video...ROTFLMAO!!

Thanks for the rep point, glad you enjoyed the story..

Mixx

[jariel]

The best opener is still some form of "Hello", "Hi, my Name is", whatever is the simplest shit you can say that doesn't sound "cool".

Being direct isn't about an "opener", it's about conveying to the girl what it is that you're looking for from her as soon as possible.

You can be subtle, and still be direct.

[captain_shane]

This is a really old thread, but I'd like to share an example of direct game that Alan Roger Currie has in his book Mode 1.

Quote:

My attitude is, you approach a woman .... look her directly in the
eyes .... and very confidently and straightforwardly let her know
that you want to exchange orgasms with her at some point in the
near future. Then, for all practical purposes, just LEAVE HER
ALONE. "Huh?," you ask. That's right. Just LEAVE HER
ALONE.
Once you let a woman know clearly and straightforwardly that you
want to fuck her, there is really no need to say anything else to her
until she says to you, "Okay. Your place or mine?," or something
to that effect. Don't ever "sweat" a woman or "jock" a woman for
sex (urban slang for being too aggressive and/or too persistent in
your pursuit of sexual companionship).

You (approaching the woman, all the while looking into her eyes)

Her (waiting for you to say something while she's reciprocating your eye contact)

You (confidently in a smooth voice): "Let's get together sometime in the next week or two...."

Her (curious): "I don't even know you."

You (smirking): "So."

Her (perplexed): "So ...."

You (calm): "I say one week from Friday."

Her (curious): "And just what would we do one week from Friday...."

You (cocky): "Exchange orgasms."

Uh oh. Are you ready for the potential responses and reactions?? You better be. This conversation is either going to become far more provocative ... or far more antagonistic and contentious.

Her: "Excuse me?!?!?"

You: "You're excused."

Her: "Oh my God ... I don't believe you just said that!!!!!"

You: "Believe it. I said it."

Her: "I'm a respectable lady!!"

You: "I don't doubt that. I only approach women who are worthy of respect."

Her: "I'm not an easy whore!!"

You: "Which is exactly why I want us to get together…"

Her: "I don't just sleep with anyone!!!"

You: "Neither do I...."

Her: "I have to get to know a man before I have sex with him!!!"

You (sarcastic): "My favorite color is blue. Now, one week from Friday...."

Her: "You might be a stalker!! You might be crazy!!!"

You: "Then why are you still standing in front of me."

Her: "I'm not just a disposable piece of ass!!"

You: "I'm not just a disposable piece of dick."

Her: "I bet you talk like this to all women!"

You: "Right now, let's just concentrate on you and I ...."

This stuff works, and I've used it a lot. The conversation above is almost exactly what happens when I go direct.

It's mainly about having extreme confidence, excellent eye contact, good body language, and not apologising. These girls will "act" outraged a lot of times when you go direct, but don't back down. The whole "excuse me!" act is just a shit test to see if you're really an alpha or just a pretend alpha.


I think guys should experiment with both direct and indirect and see what works better for them. I'll say one thing though, going direct takes balls, yuge balls. If you can't get over rejection anxiety, then stick with indirect.

[quaker13]

Direct game absolutely works and I don't mind telling you all how it works and why as I've gotten older it's 10x's more appealing than indirect.

For starters, I rarely pursue ONS. Why? When I go out I'm out to fellowship with the homies and meet women. I really do not enjoy having sex at 3 or 4 in the morning. It's a complete chore and I typically don't have enough of my faculties about me to appreciate the experience. I'd rather get her number under the correct pretense and see her around 8pm for a drink and fuck her an hour later while I'm lucid.

So back to DIRECT. My version of DIRECT isn't walking up to a bitch and telling her I want to fuck. God damn people we live in Western society. It's simply this:

Me: How are you this evening
Her: Fine, good, great...etc
Me: My name is (blank)and we should see each other this evening or tomorrow
Her: Umm sure, I'm busy, I have a boyfriend or "I can't but I can on X date"

There is no enthusiasm in my voice. I look her directly and seductively in the eye the whole time(by time i mean the 90-120 seconds this exchange takes) and completely invade her personal space.
If she has a boyfriend or husband, she likely(notice I said likely) never allows herself to get in my personal space.
If she says lets talk later I tell her I'm here to fellowship with my buddies not pick up women so it's now or never.
Depending on the vibe I get or how drunk I am I may smack them on the ass after I get their number. I've never once had an issue made of me smacking a bitch's ass. I only do it when I feel the vibe is right.

Indirect game for me at this point is to nuanced. I prefer to do it this way because I think I have a great presentation that translates well to this method and I'm also just getting lazier

[Trent W.]

(04-25-2019 11:16 PM)quaker13 Wrote:  

Direct game absolutely works and I don't mind telling you all how it works and why as I've gotten older it's 10x's more appealing than indirect.

For starters, I rarely pursue ONS. Why? When I go out I'm out to fellowship with the homies and meet women. I really do not enjoy having sex at 3 or 4 in the morning. It's a complete chore and I typically don't have enough of my faculties about me to appreciate the experience. I'd rather get her number under the correct pretense and see her around 8pm for a drink and fuck her an hour later while I'm lucid.

So back to DIRECT. My version of DIRECT isn't walking up to a bitch and telling her I want to fuck. God damn people we live in Western society. It's simply this:

Me: How are you this evening
Her: Fine, good, great...etc
Me: My name is (blank)and we should see each other this evening or tomorrow
Her: Umm sure, I'm busy, I have a boyfriend or "I can't but I can on X date"

There is no enthusiasm in my voice. I look her directly and seductively in the eye the whole time(by time i mean the 90-120 seconds this exchange takes) and completely invade her personal space.
If she has a boyfriend or husband, she likely(notice I said likely) never allows herself to get in my personal space.
If she says lets talk later I tell her I'm here to fellowship with my buddies not pick up women so it's now or never.
Depending on the vibe I get or how drunk I am I may smack them on the ass after I get their number. I've never once had an issue made of me smacking a bitch's ass. I only do it when I feel the vibe is right.

Indirect game for me at this point is to nuanced. I prefer to do it this way because I think I have a great presentation that translates well to this method and I'm also just getting lazier

I can see the merit of such an approach. Efficient, filtering out who is interested and who isn't. Plus it minimizes your chances of f*cking things up. The less you speak, the lower the possibility you will say something that will lower your value. It also shows that you are not clingy.

But the way I see it, this is easier to execute when you have easy access to her personal space. Harder to pull if she's with a couple of friends, sitting somewhere or something similar.

Worth a try though.

[captain_shane]

I like that this thread popped up again. I think the value of direct verbal game is at an all time high right now for at least a couple of reasons.

#1: Metoo era. Physical escalation is becoming a much more risky thing to engage in right away with a girl these days. You never know what these bitches are thinking anymore and with one wrong move you're fucked. Telling a girl you want to fuck her isn't illegal. Words aren't going to get you thrown in jail, at least here in the US. Also going direct separates you from the soy boys out there that are afraid of saying anything in this era.

#2. Manipulation. It's already been said in this thread that girls know pretty much immediately that you want to fuck them when you go up and start talking. If you go indirect, you're putting the power in her hands and setting yourself up for manipulation. Girls are gonna hold out for the most shit they can get in exchange for their pussy; time, money, resources, food, conversations, etc. If you're upfront in the beginning, the only thing they can do is either accept or reject. They can't play the game of "the possibility of sex" with you. You'll also never be placed in the friend zone ever with this tactic.

Here's an excellent video of Alan Roger Currie with another guy. It's really worth the watch, informative and really funny at points.

[Darth]

The problem with direct game in the present Muh2 universe, is a chick can too easily accuse you of rape or attempted rape even if you literally never even touched her. Hell our founder, Roosh, has been called a rapist just for having good game and writing about it! Yes there are bitches that are just that crazy now a days.

Indirect game at least gives you plausible deniability

[captain_shane]

(04-27-2019 02:14 PM)Darth Wrote:  

The problem with direct game in the present Muh2 universe, is a chick can too easily accuse you of rape or attempted rape even if you literally never even touched her. Hell our founder, Roosh, has been called a rapist just for having good game and writing about it! Yes there are bitches that are just that crazy now a days.

Indirect game at least gives you plausible deniability

No it doesn't. Name me one person that's been Metoo'ed who exhibited upfront and honest direct game? All those dudes were being little weasels.