[Geomann180]

(04-16-2019 03:49 PM)Deepdiver Wrote:  

I watched the entire Documentary and the thing that amazed me most about the documentary was how in 5 short years the NSDAP was able to raise Germany from the depths of the Weimar Hyperinflations to the economic powerhouse of the world by de-coupling the German economic systems from lifelong debt slavery - this is the live link to how it was done and can, in fact, be done to save the USA today likely with similar no debt systems based upon advanced secure cryptos like Monero. lightning network Bitcoin or perhaps Cardano now that they are making strides towards their transition from test net to the main net.

Why crypto - unlike fiat currencies it is the only form of value and exchange the Rothschilds/Rockefeller/JPMorgan/Goldman-Sachs global banksters networks can't get a 100% stranglehold over:

https://thegreateststorynevertold.tv/hit...servitude/

Supposedly, the Germans got a lot of funding from American eugenicists (the movement started in the US) and had lots of business with both Ford and Coca Cola, which helped.

G

[Chiosboy90]

(04-18-2019 02:10 AM)Geomann180 Wrote:  

(04-16-2019 03:49 PM)Deepdiver Wrote:  

I watched the entire Documentary and the thing that amazed me most about the documentary was how in 5 short years the NSDAP was able to raise Germany from the depths of the Weimar Hyperinflations to the economic powerhouse of the world by de-coupling the German economic systems from lifelong debt slavery - this is the live link to how it was done and can, in fact, be done to save the USA today likely with similar no debt systems based upon advanced secure cryptos like Monero. lightning network Bitcoin or perhaps Cardano now that they are making strides towards their transition from test net to the main net.

Why crypto - unlike fiat currencies it is the only form of value and exchange the Rothschilds/Rockefeller/JPMorgan/Goldman-Sachs global banksters networks can't get a 100% stranglehold over:

https://thegreateststorynevertold.tv/hit...servitude/

Supposedly, the Germans got a lot of funding from American eugenicists (the movement started in the US) and had lots of business with both Ford and Coca Cola, which helped.

G

Imagine what countries like: Sweden, Germany, England, France etc could achieve in 5 years if they would just build a wall around the country and say: "Go rebuild your own fucking country!" and drop all the "white guilt" money in 1 day.

[Pride male]

If Hitler was a secret agent that was some 8 dimensional chess.

[nomadbrah]

(04-17-2019 06:07 PM)Chetthebaker Wrote:  

(04-17-2019 12:55 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

In 50 years there will be forum threads talking about how maybe the 2020 war with Iran had more to do with Jewish interests and less to do with the claimed 6 gorillion gays saved from being tossed off of buildings.

Sp5 can rest easy that there will undoubtedly be someone screeching "just pick up a fucking book you crypto-homophobes!"

So now we're attributing future imaginary wars to Jews too? Sounds like a narrative to me.

Let's get Freudian here. What do you dream about at night Leonard?

White Europeans get Jungian, not Freudian, that shit is reserved for neurotic jews who want to fuck their mothers.

[Leonard D Neubache]

(04-17-2019 06:07 PM)Chetthebaker Wrote:  

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So now we're attributing future imaginary wars to Jews too? Sounds like a narrative to me.

Let's get Freudian here. What do you dream about at night Leonard?

I dream about having 11 rep again so there were still big-dogs to go after.

[911]

(04-17-2019 03:57 PM)Mr. Wolf Wrote:  

One of Hitler's many faults was his love of central planning / centralized control of the economy. Some projects, such as transnational/interstate highways require centralized planning and control. But mostly it just causes corruption, inefficiency, and leads to totalitarianism. Freedom is fragile, and centralized governmental control leads to its death. After WWI, the German economy was a basket case before, during, and after Hitler's reign.

That's absolutely false, the German economy was thriving under the NSDAP and the leadership of Hjlmar Schacht, who introduced an independent monetary system. It started out in the worst possible economy in the modern history of a western European country, with unemployment rate of 33%, and a wheelbarrows of bills for a loaf of bread hyperinflation.

In 1938, German unemployment was next to zero, down from 6 million unemployed in 1933. The German economy was thriving, with booming growth and no inflation.





If anything, the national socialist economy was a model that any western country would be well served to emulate. They've achieved this remarkable growth by combining a bottom-up populist and socially conservative model with a non-usury monetary system, along with a nationalist industrial policy.

In comparison, the unemployment rate in the US was still close to 20% in the late 1930s, it wasn't until the war that FDR's economy recovered.



We've been brainwashed in dismissing anything related to nazis, when in fact their economic and pro-family social policies should be a model. Our economic problems today stem from two issues: the dilution of the labor pool through women and immigrants flooding the labor force, and the usury, debt-based monetary system. We would be so much better off if those two issues were properly addressed.

[nomadbrah]

Yes, the national socialist economic model is well worth emulating.

Free markets, but all companies are subject to nationalist government control. Start doing stuff like importing H1B1 migrants and you get shut down asap.

[EndsExpect]

(04-14-2019 07:51 PM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  

I will watch it, but even if he only hated the "Jewish elite" he killed a lot of Jewish people in general-so it will take a lot to sway my belief that he hated Jews. I know for a fact Hitler hated Communists, and he treated Jews the way he treated communists-so I will watch what Hitler did and judge him based on that rather than what he wrote or said.

I don't think the Holocaust was ever planned. In his book Hitler openly states his intention for Jews is a forced migration to Madagascar.

The problem was the war. It didn't go the way he had planned. They rounded up Jews and used them as forced labor. Concentration camps were actually bullet factories and other such things for the war effort. Towards the end Germany couldn't feed it's own troops, so they certainly were not going to feed Jews. If you look at survivor photos a huge chunk of them died of starvation.

Now when Germany realized they were not going to win the war and that they had confiscated all this wealth and property from Jews... they started to panic. It wasn't until this point, when they knew all was lost that they decided to begin killing the Jews in order to hide the forced labor and wealth confiscation. They really thought that if the Jews were all dead nobody would ask any questions.

Also... think of this. Hitler killed 6 million Jews... but he also killed 27 million slavs. When the Ukrainians came wanting to ally with him against Stalin, and he desperately needed the soldiers... Hitler basically said "we are here to kill slavs, not work with them". His living space idea was essentially his downfall.

[Sp5]

I watched some of it. "Dennis Wise" a pseudonym, guy is obviously a Nazi sympathizer.

Splices a lot of other documentary and drama films together to lend it credibility, basically raiding copyrights.

Part about Pearl Harbor was bullshit, made it sound like the USA was at fault.

Talks about "the war between China and Japan" as if Japan hadn't invaded China.

Says this about the US sanctions on Japan:

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Japan lost access to 75% of its overseas trade and 88% of her imported oil. Soon there would be insufficient resources to continue the war with China

That was kind of the point of the sanctions, to stop Japan from taking over China. The movie makes it seem like that was a bad thing FDR did, and justified Japan bombing Pearl Harbor.

A lot of the rest of the is Da Jooos are bad except when they won Iron Crosses as Wehrmacht soldiers. 2/10 would not watch again.

If you want to read a well-written two volume history, read this one:



reading is hard, I know.

[RexImperator]

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Yes, the national socialist economic model is well worth emulating.

Free markets, but all companies are subject to nationalist government control. Start doing stuff like importing H1B1 migrants and you get shut down asap.

One big thing not to emulate would be the National Socialist use of slave labor.

It may also be surprising to some that Germany did allow lots of refugees to enter the country.

[Mr. Wolf]

(04-18-2019 09:28 AM)911 Wrote:  

(04-17-2019 03:57 PM)Mr. Wolf Wrote:  

One of Hitler's many faults was his love of central planning / centralized control of the economy. Some projects, such as transnational/interstate highways require centralized planning and control. But mostly it just causes corruption, inefficiency, and leads to totalitarianism. Freedom is fragile, and centralized governmental control leads to its death. After WWI, the German economy was a basket case before, during, and after Hitler's reign.

That's absolutely false, the German economy was thriving under the NSDAP and the leadership of Hjlmar Schacht, who introduced an independent monetary system. It started out in the worst possible economy in the modern history of a western European country, with unemployment rate of 33%, and a wheelbarrows of bills for a loaf of bread hyperinflation.

In 1938, German unemployment was next to zero, down from 6 million unemployed in 1933. The German economy was thriving, with booming growth and no inflation.





If anything, the national socialist economy was a model that any western country would be well served to emulate. They've achieved this remarkable growth by combining a bottom-up populist and socially conservative model with a non-usury monetary system, along with a nationalist industrial policy.

In comparison, the unemployment rate in the US was still close to 20% in the late 1930s, it wasn't until the war that FDR's economy recovered.



We've been brainwashed in dismissing anything related to nazis, when in fact their economic and pro-family social policies should be a model. Our economic problems today stem from two issues: the dilution of the labor pool through women and immigrants flooding the labor force, and the usury, debt-based monetary system. We would be so much better off if those two issues were properly addressed.

No, the economy was fundamentally unsound, just like all centrally planned economies. It was a war-machine economy (hence the zero unemployment), financed by funny money. The "independent monetary system" you refer to is just another fiat currency, this time the Mefo promissory notes, that ended up again crashing when holders wanted to cash them in for actual German fiat currency (the Reichsmark) in 1938. You should look into how the National Socialists completely fucked up the agriculture industry in Germany by ordering small-plot farmers not to grow the crops they wanted to grow, but instead forcing them to grow whichever crops the government thought best. Hitler and his goons were terrible at running the German economy, for the same reasons that all central controllers fail.

[911]

Nonsense.

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the economy was fundamentally unsound, just like all centrally planned economies.

Cough cough...China...

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The "independent monetary system" you refer to is just another fiat currency, this time the Mefo promissory notes

Issued debt-free, by their treasury, and backed by the labor and real estate assets of the German people. Unlike in the US, where FDR's keynesian spending came at a higher cost, one of the reasons it failed to lower unemployment below 15% throughout the 1930s...

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this time the Mefo promissory notes, that ended up again crashing when holders wanted to cash them in for actual German fiat currency (the Reichsmark) in 1938

Germany 1938:
Inflation near zero,
GDP 10% growth,
near zero unemployment

- that's one hell of a currency crash and economic meltdown, Mr Wolf -.

Agriculture: IIRC they emphasized self-sufficiency and used protectionism, yeah that sounds horrible.

[Goni]

(04-18-2019 10:15 AM)EndsExpect Wrote:  

(04-14-2019 07:51 PM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  

I will watch it, but even if he only hated the "Jewish elite" he killed a lot of Jewish people in general-so it will take a lot to sway my belief that he hated Jews. I know for a fact Hitler hated Communists, and he treated Jews the way he treated communists-so I will watch what Hitler did and judge him based on that rather than what he wrote or said.

I don't think the Holocaust was ever planned. In his book Hitler openly states his intention for Jews is a forced migration to Madagascar.

The problem was the war. It didn't go the way he had planned. They rounded up Jews and used them as forced labor. Concentration camps were actually bullet factories and other such things for the war effort. Towards the end Germany couldn't feed it's own troops, so they certainly were not going to feed Jews. If you look at survivor photos a huge chunk of them died of starvation.

Now when Germany realized they were not going to win the war and that they had confiscated all this wealth and property from Jews... they started to panic. It wasn't until this point, when they knew all was lost that they decided to begin killing the Jews in order to hide the forced labor and wealth confiscation. They really thought that if the Jews were all dead nobody would ask any questions.

Also... think of this. Hitler killed 6 million Jews... but he also killed 27 million slavs. When the Ukrainians came wanting to ally with him against Stalin, and he desperately needed the soldiers... Hitler basically said "we are here to kill slavs, not work with them". His living space idea was essentially his downfall.

Can you post any evidence that Hitler said " we are here to kill the slavs" and that Hitler planned to kill the slavs in the Soviet Union?

Also Red Cross stated clearly that less than 300,000 jews died in labour camps and most of them from disease and stravation in last 4 months of the war.

[RexImperator]

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Cough cough...China...

National Socialist Germany’s closest analogue today in terms of government/economy really is China.

[The Usual Suspect]

So Hitler, a guy who ruled with an iron fist and micro-managed all his generals was oblivious to what was going on in the concentration camps? Also rounding up a minority in the Jew ghettos was protection? It’s a step too far for me

All of them were men of their time (there’s a growing Churchill bashing left wing brigade) and shouldn’t be judged by the way the world holds itself, full SJW style in 2019

I expect there will be some future revisionism over Iraq and Afghanistan with Bush and Blair in the future too. It’s already happening in the UK with soldier X and the IRA

A good source for WWII is the history of WWII podcast by Ray Harris Jr. it’s a good listen whilst commuting, Guy has tried to source his own path and includes biographies of all the major players. Just presents the way he’s researched it from both perspectives without bias

[TigerMandingo]

This is one of the pitfalls with YouTube, everybody is an expert. Too much information ironically leads to a poorer understanding of a subject.

[nomadbrah]

There's an increasing number of reasonable documentaries being made by the mainstream now. It seems like the taboo has lessened somewhat. I judge them by if they only say "nazi" referring to everyone or if they use the factually and historically correct "national socialist" and similar terms. Nazi is a simple slur, not unlike "gooks" or "commies".

Here's one documentary I found very interesting:

10 part series, the uploader has them all.

While the title is the typical tropes, the content is very good imo. Sp5 above posited sarcastically that we think "Hitler was a misunderstood genius". The cult of Hitler has been milked, but this documentary shows a much more nuanced picture, namely that Hitler was primarily a great politician who could as easily speak to proles in a German beer hall as he could mingle with Bavarian nobility.

Hitler's actual ideology was limited to run of the mill antisemittism, that EVERYONE at the time agreed with. What he really was, a hardcore German nationalist. His anti-semittism was mostly relegated to being anti-communist and seeing jews being disloyal to their countries. You could say, in modern terms, he was a MAGA boomer type. Yes. We have to judge by the standards of the time, and the anti-semittism of Hitler was completely normal and commonplace, in America as well.

The big bad anti-semitte was Goebbels and secondarily Himmler. Goebbels hated jews with a ravenous fire, stemming from what he thought was "shut it down" of his earlier writings. Goebbels was also a notorious womanizer and player, a far cry from media caricature of Goebbels the incel cripple.

Himmler was a very interesting character as well and the actual spiritual and occult leader of the national socialist movement. He was also a hardcore anti-semitte, more of a "racist", who had more of a pseudo-biological hate of jews as a pollutant of both the aryan blood and soul.

In the documentary above, maybe episode 3 or 4, there are several examples of Goebbels clashing with Hess about how anti-semittic the nazi party should be. Hitler himself is worried about Germans not being on board with the Goebbels like fiery anti-semittism, but eventually Goebbels wins out over Hess.

All this shows, that Hitler is a charicature, a scapegoat, someone we should do our best to understand and see in a historically accurate context.

The other documentary I would encourage everyone to watch is "The Occult History of the Third Reich", which is another excellent video documenting how "nazi ideology" came to be and how it entered Germany through America and Britain. This also explains why most brit and american elites did not instantly reject Hitler. He was, after all, merely expressing views and research widely accepted in the US.

[Mr. Wolf]

The Mises Institute's wiki has a pretty good summary of the crazy shit Germany did to its economy and currency in the lead up to WWII, including turning the workers into psuedo-slave laborers who could neither change jobs, nor demand fair wages for their work: https://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Inflation_in_Nazi_Germany

Price controls
An office for the oversight of prices was opened at the end of 1931, during the worst of Depression. It forced a decrease of wages, interest rates and related prices. When in 1936 the general level of prices started to rise as a consequence of the military spending, it was replaced with a 'comissar for the creation of prices'. In November of that year was issued a price stop, that forbade any price or wage increases; very few exceptions were granted. Finally, in June, 1938, were the cartels given the right to set maximum wages, and the Dienstverpflichtung ('service duty') was introduced, ending the free choice of a workplace.

The natural interplay of supply and demand has ceased completely and the price mechanism lost its regulating effect on the market. The foundations of the market economy were destroyed and turned into a system of rationing, a pure command economy. The purchasing power of money seemed to be preserved, but the economy was still doomed. A new wave of inflation was initiated, while the prices were kept low.

And if you think China is an example of anything good, well, then I think you should try visiting there. There's a reason everyone leaves China. Even the rich in China always have a bug-out plan that usually involves a house in SoCal.

(04-18-2019 10:57 PM)911 Wrote:  

Nonsense.

Quote:

the economy was fundamentally unsound, just like all centrally planned economies.

Cough cough...China...

Quote:

The "independent monetary system" you refer to is just another fiat currency, this time the Mefo promissory notes

Issued debt-free, by their treasury, and backed by the labor and real estate assets of the German people. Unlike in the US, where FDR's keynesian spending came at a higher cost, one of the reasons it failed to lower unemployment below 15% throughout the 1930s...

Quote:

this time the Mefo promissory notes, that ended up again crashing when holders wanted to cash them in for actual German fiat currency (the Reichsmark) in 1938

Germany 1938:
Inflation near zero,
GDP 10% growth,
near zero unemployment

- that's one hell of a currency crash and economic meltdown, Mr Wolf -.

Agriculture: IIRC they emphasized self-sufficiency and used protectionism, yeah that sounds horrible.

[Yatagan]

Hitler like Napolean before him, was ultimately a foolish gambler that didn't know when to quit and ended up losing it all. If he had merely been content with the peaceful annexations of Austria, the Sudetenland (but without occupying the rest of Czechoslovakia) and worked out some arrangement with Poland for the handover of Danzig, he'd have been remembered as the second coming of Bismark. Instead, we ended up with millions of expelled and dead Germans and an even smaller Germany with permanent territorial losses and an empowered USSR and communist bloc and an American presence in Europe.

And while we're at it, Mussolini was another fool who could've lived out his days into the 50s and 60s like Franco if he kept out of things.

[ilostabet]

I’ve just started watching the documentary. I too keep a healthy dose of skepticism about the creator’s intentions but, so far (at part 4) it doesn’t seem to be too badly tainted with ‘Hitler was a genius and a saint’ – instead he was an interesting character with flaws as well as virtues. It seems overall to be balanced – especially taking into account the other side and the complete demonization of the character. But it is, as expected, a bit hagiographic (in the figurative sense).

A couple of things I found interesting so far:

-Hitler’s relationship with Eva Braun – the narrator says that Hitler did not wish to marry her because the German women would ‘look at him differently’, but that she offered him a kind of bourgeois normality that, despite his rhetoric, he still sort of craved – if for no other reason to rest from the high energy political activity and speeches.

-Hitler was a good artist in my opinion and from what they show of his paintings there. His design of the flag also shows great vision of what is impactful. His art was particularly great when when compared to what he came to call ‘degenerate art’. Which leads me to the final point.

-The part that captivated me the most was when they were talking about the disaster that was Weimar Germany and even earlier German society. They go on to describe how a tiny minority of the population came to be massively over represented in the media, in banking and in the arts. Weimar, with its massive unemployment and poverty, was already a basket case, but the thing that the Germans really came to resent was the ‘degenerate art’ – not only were they starving they were being subjected to this intentional degradation of their culture and everything they deemed sacred and even normal. Homosexuality, transsexuality, bestiality, blasphemy of all kinds, was regularly on display and the authors and financiers were almost always from that tiny minority. Child prostitution was rampant and the pimps were, again, part of the same group. There’s a famous scene of Nazi book burning that I’ve seen a thousand times in mainstream sources and only here did I found out they were burning pornography books and magazines, not Bibles and regular novels. Anyway, this part of the doc was particularly haunting because it resembles our society today and more or less the same people are behind it. There’s a guy at some point during this section that says ‘people talk a lot about what the Germans did to the Jews, but they never talk about what the Jews did to the Germans’.

I’ll keep watching. Despite its amateurish making (who would finance such a movie nowadays anyway?) it’s still interesting if nothing else for the fact that it gives the exact opposite view that the mainstream has been hammering into our heads for decades. I’m not completely sure that it isn’t illegal in some countries to consume stuff like this – in fact, I had to download it entirely from a torrent because all videos of it, be it in youtube or elsewhere, all blocked in my country.

[VincentVinturi]

(04-18-2019 03:52 AM)Chiosboy90 Wrote:  

Imagine what countries like: Sweden, Germany, England, France etc could achieve in 5 years if they would just build a wall around the country and say: "Go rebuild your own fucking country!" and drop all the "white guilt" money in 1 day.

It probably wouldn't make that much of a difference. Sweden and France are straight up socialist states with insane taxes and regulations that make entrepreneurship a raw deal.

While having hordes of 3rd world immigrants who don't know how to act flooding the healthcare and education systems certainly weakens the system, the more fundamental question is whether they should these public systems in the first place.

Private schools and hospitals wouldn't treat immigrants for free. But the competition for the education and medical Euro, respectively, would lower the cost of both making them actually more accessible (but not free). Swedish friend of mind bemoans the healthcare there. English friend of mine who needs a shoulder surgery—6 month wait time. Way cheaper and faster and just as good here in developing Thailand. Hmm, I wonder could that be because there's a private medical market here (runs parallel to the public healthcare, which is utter crap).

And as always, people in dire straits can appeal to charities as they have done and continue to do (e.g. charitable organizations exonerate North Korean refugees of various expenses to the tunes of thousands of dollars per escapee, en route to freedom).

But of course, in the scenario I'm describing, politicians wouldn't be able to promise free shit to people—least of all refugees from war torn countries—and use it to manipulate honest peoples' (misplaced) sense of compassion to win votes and open the floodgates, thus participating in their own martyrdom.

I don't think it's necessary to turn away refugees under the conditions that 1) there's a strict vetting process in place and 2) there's no freebies on the other side so you have to earn your keep like everybody else. Unfortunately, #2 is politically unviable these days.

[LEMONed IScream]

Central planning and price controls, rent control and other issues, lead to the permanent misapplication of finite resources within the scarce economy. Without the proper allocation of resources, economies cannot thrive nor prosper in the long run. Central planning doesn't work.

It is akin to a leap in the dark, or to finding a black cat in a dark room where there are no black cats.

[Heuristics]

(04-18-2019 02:10 AM)Geomann180 Wrote:  

(04-16-2019 03:49 PM)Deepdiver Wrote:  

I watched the entire Documentary and the thing that amazed me most about the documentary was how in 5 short years the NSDAP was able to raise Germany from the depths of the Weimar Hyperinflations to the economic powerhouse of the world by de-coupling the German economic systems from lifelong debt slavery - this is the live link to how it was done and can, in fact, be done to save the USA today likely with similar no debt systems based upon advanced secure cryptos like Monero. lightning network Bitcoin or perhaps Cardano now that they are making strides towards their transition from test net to the main net.

Why crypto - unlike fiat currencies it is the only form of value and exchange the Rothschilds/Rockefeller/JPMorgan/Goldman-Sachs global banksters networks can't get a 100% stranglehold over:

https://thegreateststorynevertold.tv/hit...servitude/

Supposedly, the Germans got a lot of funding from American eugenicists (the movement started in the US) and had lots of business with both Ford and Coca Cola, which helped.

G

It was a well-known fact Aktion T4 (German Euthanasia Program, Precursor to Holocaust and mass deaths in the extermination camps) was modeled on eugenics principles based off of American research, and individual states like California.

In addition, Fanta was created by Coke of Germany to avoid wartime restrictions/ sanctions. Hugo Boss made SS uniforms. IBM supplied punch cards for concentration camps. IG Farben supplied gas for gas chambers. And Wehrner von Braun (father of US space program and NASA) was a card-carrying Nazi, thanks Operation Paperclip... The things you never learn in school.

[Heath0888]

I must have been red pilled a long time ago.... lol because I already knew about Hitler.