[Deepdiver]

I watched the entire Documentary and the thing that amazed me most about the documentary was how in 5 short years the NSDAP was able to raise Germany from the depths of the Weimar Hyperinflations to the economic powerhouse of the world by de-coupling the German economic systems from lifelong debt slavery - this is the live link to how it was done and can, in fact, be done to save the USA today likely with similar no debt systems based upon advanced secure cryptos like Monero. lightning network Bitcoin or perhaps Cardano now that they are making strides towards their transition from test net to the main net.

Why crypto - unlike fiat currencies it is the only form of value and exchange the Rothschilds/Rockefeller/JPMorgan/Goldman-Sachs global banksters networks can't get a 100% stranglehold over:

https://thegreateststorynevertold.tv/hit...servitude/

[Sp5]

(04-16-2019 08:53 AM)aeroektar Wrote:  

(04-16-2019 05:35 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

In the historical debate, I'm on these guys' side.

No one here has anything against the men who served in ww2 for the US. I have relatives that died there. That has jack shit to do with the men behind the curtains pulling the strings without a fuck to give for the men actually fighting and dying. You know this, but you only want to acknowledge what makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

The men in that picture. Some died the next day, many in the next year. All are probably dead now.

They have an historical legacy. What they did, what they fought for. It matters to their families and to history.

I'm old enough to have talked to a lot of WW2 vets. I was stationed in Germany and talked to German WW2 vets who were captured by the Russians and by the Americans. The command sergeant major on my post was a WW2 vet.

There have been thousands of books written about WW2, based on testimony, official records, films. That's on one side of the scale. On the other, you have a YouTube video put out by some rando anon that has a lot of bullshit in it.

It's disrespect to the fallen not to look at the complete historical record and repeat this bullshit that "Hitler didn't start the war, man" or "I'm just asking questions." Fuk your questions, the record is out there, crack a few books in a library.

[Man of Truth]

Sp5 quit the bullshit. You honestly dont give a flying fuck about gentile ww2 vets.
Youre only using them as a psychological emotional pawn And creating a dichotomy where if you question the narrative you’re disrespecting the troops.

Your concern is more like the Jews profiteering on getting vets hooked on opiates. They’re just trying to help them...

Books? You have Jewish academics writing books that American whites were just as bad as the nazi mythology and the implications that all white people are ‘nazi’s’. When a narrative goes unquestioned they can write whatever fantasy they like.

[aeroektar]

(04-16-2019 05:28 PM)Sp5 Wrote:  

(04-16-2019 08:53 AM)aeroektar Wrote:  

(04-16-2019 05:35 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

In the historical debate, I'm on these guys' side.

No one here has anything against the men who served in ww2 for the US. I have relatives that died there. That has jack shit to do with the men behind the curtains pulling the strings without a fuck to give for the men actually fighting and dying. You know this, but you only want to acknowledge what makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

The men in that picture. Some died the next day, many in the next year. All are probably dead now.

They have an historical legacy. What they did, what they fought for. It matters to their families and to history.

I'm old enough to have talked to a lot of WW2 vets. I was stationed in Germany and talked to German WW2 vets who were captured by the Russians and by the Americans. The command sergeant major on my post was a WW2 vet.

There have been thousands of books written about WW2, based on testimony, official records, films. That's on one side of the scale. On the other, you have a YouTube video put out by some rando anon that has a lot of bullshit in it.

It's disrespect to the fallen not to look at the complete historical record and repeat this bullshit that "Hitler didn't start the war, man" or "I'm just asking questions." Fuk your questions, the record is out there, crack a few books in a library.

Gotcha, so don't question the official narrative because it's somehow disrespectful to the soldiers... just accept it and salute the flag, because murica.

Textbook delusional boomer think. No wonder our countries so fucked.

[Richard Turpin]

I too am on the side of those soldiers in that picture. I'd be surprised if anyone here wasn't. If anything, pictures like that motivate me even more to dig into WW1/2 and try and shine a spotlight on those dark corners that we're not supposed to look in.

I love those guys and respect what they did tremendously. But a big part of my interest stems from my own departed Grandad who fought in WW2 and would often (as I've posted about before) wonder aloud 'what it was all for?' and 'why did we bother!' when watching news stories about the state of the UK (and this was the 90's! He'd have a fucking fit if he saw the state of things now!).

I really wonder what those old soldiers would genuinely think now, if they could how the USA and UK have turned out.

What worries me about a lot of those brave soldiers back then, is how frighteningly easy it must have been for elites to control the precious few sources of information they had! Literally the Radio and a few newspapers. I remember reading how the USA was broadly pro-German in WW1 (having a lot of German immigrant stock) but once the newspapers flipped a switch and ramped up the atrocity propaganda etc. the public soon changed their mind.

Anyway, I'm sorry to say, I still haven't seen this documentary so will hold off commenting further until I've had a chance to at least see it.

[Sp5]

(04-17-2019 02:58 AM)aeroektar Wrote:  

(04-16-2019 05:28 PM)Sp5 Wrote:  

(04-16-2019 08:53 AM)aeroektar Wrote:  

(04-16-2019 05:35 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

In the historical debate, I'm on these guys' side.

No one here has anything against the men who served in ww2 for the US. I have relatives that died there. That has jack shit to do with the men behind the curtains pulling the strings without a fuck to give for the men actually fighting and dying. You know this, but you only want to acknowledge what makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

The men in that picture. Some died the next day, many in the next year. All are probably dead now.

They have an historical legacy. What they did, what they fought for. It matters to their families and to history.

I'm old enough to have talked to a lot of WW2 vets. I was stationed in Germany and talked to German WW2 vets who were captured by the Russians and by the Americans. The command sergeant major on my post was a WW2 vet.

There have been thousands of books written about WW2, based on testimony, official records, films. That's on one side of the scale. On the other, you have a YouTube video put out by some rando anon that has a lot of bullshit in it.

It's disrespect to the fallen not to look at the complete historical record and repeat this bullshit that "Hitler didn't start the war, man" or "I'm just asking questions." Fuk your questions, the record is out there, crack a few books in a library.

Gotcha, so don't question the official narrative because it's somehow disrespectful to the soldiers... just accept it and salute the flag, because murica.

Textbook delusional boomer think. No wonder our countries so fucked.

Sure, question the narrative. It took me 3 minutes to track down the source of this "58,000 Germans were massacred by the Poles in Danzig" story. It's from a 1940 Nazi source, published by the Nazi Foreign Office. To justify the invasion of Poland on 1 September 1939.

In addition to that, the Free City of Danzig was more than 80% German and was run by ethnic Germans.

The existence of the Molotov/Ribbentrop pact in August 1939, in advance of the invasion to divide up Poland is completely documented, along with the actions consistent with that treaty (the Soviets really did occupy half of Poland, and massacred Polish officers at Katyn too).

The Molotov/Ribbentrop treaty and the Katyn massacre are things that the Russian Federation have conceded are true.

If you can't find these things out you either: 1. want to believe Hitler was a cool guy; or 2. are a moron.

Now go on and tell me how Pearl Harbor was a false flag and Hitler invading the neutral countries Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, Denmark, Greece, Norway was justified.

Who's delusional?

[aeroektar]

(04-17-2019 07:56 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

(04-17-2019 02:58 AM)aeroektar Wrote:  

(04-16-2019 05:28 PM)Sp5 Wrote:  

(04-16-2019 08:53 AM)aeroektar Wrote:  

(04-16-2019 05:35 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

In the historical debate, I'm on these guys' side.

No one here has anything against the men who served in ww2 for the US. I have relatives that died there. That has jack shit to do with the men behind the curtains pulling the strings without a fuck to give for the men actually fighting and dying. You know this, but you only want to acknowledge what makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

The men in that picture. Some died the next day, many in the next year. All are probably dead now.

They have an historical legacy. What they did, what they fought for. It matters to their families and to history.

I'm old enough to have talked to a lot of WW2 vets. I was stationed in Germany and talked to German WW2 vets who were captured by the Russians and by the Americans. The command sergeant major on my post was a WW2 vet.

There have been thousands of books written about WW2, based on testimony, official records, films. That's on one side of the scale. On the other, you have a YouTube video put out by some rando anon that has a lot of bullshit in it.

It's disrespect to the fallen not to look at the complete historical record and repeat this bullshit that "Hitler didn't start the war, man" or "I'm just asking questions." Fuk your questions, the record is out there, crack a few books in a library.

Gotcha, so don't question the official narrative because it's somehow disrespectful to the soldiers... just accept it and salute the flag, because murica.

Textbook delusional boomer think. No wonder our countries so fucked.

Sure, question the narrative. It took me 3 minutes to track down the source of this "58,000 Germans were massacred by the Poles in Danzig" story. It's from a 1940 Nazi source, published by the Nazi Foreign Office.

In addition to that, the Free City of Danzig was more than 80% German and was run by ethnic Germans.

The existence of the Molotov/Ribbentrop pact in August 1939, in advance of the invasion to divide up Poland is completely documented, along with the actions consistent with that treaty (the Soviets really did occupy half of Poland, and massacred Polish officers at Katyn too).

The Molotov/Ribbentrop treaty and the Katyn massacre are things that the Russian Federation have conceded are true.

If you can't find these things out you either: 1. want to believe Hitler was a cool guy; or 2. are a moron.

Now go on and tell me how Pearl Harbor was a false flag and Hitler invading the neutral countries Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, Denmark, Greece, Norway was justified.

Who's delusional?

Dude, I simply mentioned evidence of massacred Germans in Poland, I even posted on the last page that we can't know the exact truth. If the number of Germans was exaggerated and was in fact 5000 or even 500, many countries would invade under those circumstances and rightfully so.

Why don't you question your own governments decisions to invade under far more questionable circumstances.

All the other shit you posted isn't even a concern to me. You're reaching.

[_Different_T]

(04-17-2019 07:56 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

Now go on and tell me how Pearl Harbor was a false flag

Do you think the intelligence community didn't know of the plan?

[Geomann180]

(04-16-2019 05:28 PM)Sp5 Wrote:  

A: I'm old enough to have talked to a lot of WW2 vets. I was stationed in Germany and talked to German WW2 vets who were captured by the Russians and by the Americans. The command sergeant major on my post was a WW2 vet.

B: There have been thousands of books written about WW2, based on testimony, official records, films. That's on one side of the scale. On the other, you have a YouTube video put out by some rando anon that has a lot of bullshit in it.

C: It's disrespect to the fallen not to look at the complete historical record and repeat this bullshit that "Hitler didn't start the war, man" or "I'm just asking questions." Fuk your questions, the record is out there, crack a few books in a library.

A: I am too. My Grandfather was one of them. He suffered 13 gunshot wounds and barely managed to survive due to lucky circumstance and being son of a Provost Marshall who knew Generals at the time, got the best medical care possible. Managed to outlive all the doctors who said he'd die in less than three years. You're not the only one.

B: There's thousands of books written on both sides. Only the sides that explore a story different than the mainstream narrative are suppressed, people who write them have their lives ruined (i.e, David Irving), and it's illlegal in most countries in Europe including Russian to question the official holocaust narrative. Why? The truth needs no defense. That you're on this forum at all means that on some level means that you at least don't trust mainstream thought on women because some, lots, or all of it is lies. Is it not conceivable that people may have lied to you about other things?

C: It's not disrespect in the slightest. Those men fought for what they thought was right. I respect that. They didn't start the war, they didn't have a hand in the political maneuvering that contributed to the factors that led to the war, or any of that. That's nearly a strawman argument. Fuck off with your emotional pathos argument type bullshit. This forum is better than that and you're better than that.

And before you go putting words into my mouth, I'll tell you what I believe.

I believe that the offical story of WW2 as we know it, is not 100% true. I don't know the percentage of true v untrue. I just know that this history is taught to us with a spin, with a crucial omission of the facts, and is often riddled with straight fabrications and lies (re: Katyn massacre and the lies that Germans made soap and lampshades out of Jewish skin/fat).

There are two statements that I have an issue with:

Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

&

History shall be kind to me, for I intend to write it.

Who's the last quote attributed to?

G

[Sp5]

The problem with debating crypto-Nazis is that they are crypto.

They never say what they believe, like "Yes, I believe Hitler was a victim, the war was pushed on him by the Jews and bankers and here are the indisputable facts in support of my argument: A B C"

Instead it's "I'm just asking questions, dude" and "I don't believe the 'official narrative'

Jellified bullshit

I'm glad to say I believe Hitler was a nut who wanted to conquer Europe if not the world.

[Leonard D Neubache]

In 50 years there will be forum threads talking about how maybe the 2020 war with Iran had more to do with Jewish interests and less to do with the claimed 6 gorillion gays saved from being tossed off of buildings.

Sp5 can rest easy that there will undoubtedly be someone screeching "just pick up a fucking book you crypto-homophobes!"

[aeroektar]

(04-17-2019 12:27 PM)Sp5 Wrote:  

The problem with debating crypto-Nazis is that they are crypto.

They never say what they believe, like "Yes, I believe Hitler was a victim, the war was pushed on him by the Jews and bankers and here are the indisputable facts in support of my argument: A B C"

Instead it's "I'm just asking questions, dude" and "I don't believe the 'official narrative'

Jellified bullshit

I'm glad to say I believe Hitler was a nut who wanted to conquer Europe if not the world.

Nice word salad. Did you forget to take your centrum silver today?

[Aurini]

(04-17-2019 12:27 PM)Sp5 Wrote:  

The problem with debating crypto-Nazis is that they are crypto.

They never say what they believe, like "Yes, I believe Hitler was a victim, the war was pushed on him by the Jews and bankers and here are the indisputable facts in support of my argument: A B C"

Instead it's "I'm just asking questions, dude" and "I don't believe the 'official narrative'

Jellified bullshit

I'm glad to say I believe Hitler was a nut who wanted to conquer Europe if not the world.

No mainstream, published historian would make that claim. Plenty of non-historians believe in it, but no reputable establishment-backed historian believes it. This is what happens when you learn history from Wolfenstein games and Marvel comic books - people start believing that the Red Skull and Mecha Hitler were only slight exaggerations.

Listen, SP5, please don't take that as an insult; everybody is like that, not just the fanboy basement dwellers. I used to be like that. I'm not calling you a creep - I'm calling you normal... and wrong.

[Vladimir Poontang]

Youtube keep taking it down, but here's a link to it :

https://archive.org/details/AdolfHitlerT...127TGSNTtv

[Sp5]

(04-17-2019 12:55 PM)aeroektar Wrote:  

(04-17-2019 12:27 PM)Sp5 Wrote:  

The problem with debating crypto-Nazis is that they are crypto.

They never say what they believe, like "Yes, I believe Hitler was a victim, the war was pushed on him by the Jews and bankers and here are the indisputable facts in support of my argument: A B C"

Instead it's "I'm just asking questions, dude" and "I don't believe the 'official narrative'

Jellified bullshit

I'm glad to say I believe Hitler was a nut who wanted to conquer Europe if not the world.

Nice word salad. Did you forget to take your centrum silver today?

No, I take a stack of modanifil, 100mg zinc, argeinine, kratom, coconut oil injected directly, and niacin

The thing is, if you're "just asking questions," why get so emotional about it?

I call Hitler a fuck-up and a nut, and guys react like I called their mother a whore.

What do you believe? C'mon, you're anonymous. J

Just come out and say that Hitler was a misunderstood and persecuted genius.

[Lunostrelki]

The historical tunnel vision around World War II and the Nazis is astounding. WWII Germany was just a strain of socialism that failed violently.

What Hitler did was essentially an accelerated version of Stalinism and Maoism with more emotion to make up for the lack of territory and resources. Nazis saw themselves as socialists with a nationalist face, and their basic political method was the same as the Russians and Chinese.

The real difference was that Germany was boxed in by hostile powers, while Russia and China were already the size of continents and didn't feel the same existential threat. This is the reason why Germany's national socialist regime broke more rules and spiced up its rule with more ideological craziness. It's also the reason why it lasted 12 years and not 60+.

All three regimes waged class struggle, hated rich people, and held that a significant portion of them were beyond redemption. All three became fabulously corrupt and ended up causing the deaths of millions more ordinary citizens, who they claimed to represent, than their declared enemies.

Anyone who thinks the Nazis were Europe's missed chance at greatness or that they were victims of an international conspiracy is like those old hippies on college campuses holding signs with quotes from Chairman Mao's book, or the fools talking about how the Dust Bowl killed more people than the Ukrainian famine.

[Aurini]

Fascism, Communism, and Capitalism are all modernist heresies that dehumanize, trivialize, and destroy the soul of man. I'd even be willing to argue that Communism is no worse than Capitalism - it's just that the conditions in Russia allowed for a more rapid acceleration towards genocidal tyranny than in the West (we'll be reaching that stage within the next ten years).

All three are the products of Godless materialism; all three bear the same fruit.

[Mr. Wolf]

One of Hitler's many faults was his love of central planning / centralized control of the economy. Some projects, such as transnational/interstate highways require centralized planning and control. But mostly it just causes corruption, inefficiency, and leads to totalitarianism. Freedom is fragile, and centralized governmental control leads to its death. After WWI, the German economy was a basket case before, during, and after Hitler's reign.

[JackinMelbourne]

(04-17-2019 03:13 PM)Lunostrelki Wrote:  

The historical tunnel vision around World War II and the Nazis is astounding. WWII Germany was just a strain of socialism that failed violently.

What Hitler did was essentially an accelerated version of Stalinism and Maoism with more emotion to make up for the lack of territory and resources. Nazis saw themselves as socialists with a nationalist face, and their basic political method was the same as the Russians and Chinese.

The real difference was that Germany was boxed in by hostile powers, while Russia and China were already the size of continents and didn't feel the same existential threat. This is the reason why Germany's national socialist regime broke more rules and spiced up its rule with more ideological craziness. It's also the reason why it lasted 12 years and not 60+.

All three regimes waged class struggle, hated rich people, and held that a significant portion of them were beyond redemption. All three became fabulously corrupt and ended up causing the deaths of millions more ordinary citizens, who they claimed to represent, than their declared enemies.

Anyone who thinks the Nazis were Europe's missed chance at greatness or that they were victims of an international conspiracy is like those old hippies on college campuses holding signs with quotes from Chairman Mao's book, or the fools talking about how the Dust Bowl killed more people than the Ukrainian famine.

Sane, balanced and insightful reply. Not bad for a thread like this!

[Chetthebaker]

(04-17-2019 12:55 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

In 50 years there will be forum threads talking about how maybe the 2020 war with Iran had more to do with Jewish interests and less to do with the claimed 6 gorillion gays saved from being tossed off of buildings.

Sp5 can rest easy that there will undoubtedly be someone screeching "just pick up a fucking book you crypto-homophobes!"

So now we're attributing future imaginary wars to Jews too? Sounds like a narrative to me.

Let's get Freudian here. What do you dream about at night Leonard?

[Chiosboy90]

Im just on part 4 from 27 and Im very hooked in it. Why people cut out so much important information?

The one thing that kept me stopping and make my own research if its true or not was this:


I feel honestly very stupid to not know this fact. Its not like that its justify anything, but its important to know to see the story from all angle.
Why would anyone not talk about this agreement? Its like you killed your neighbors because you thought, their dog shat in your garden every day and you are put in trial for murder. But months before the killing, you send your neighbors a letter to peacefully leave your neighborhood. It's not like that this fact will justify the murder, it is still murder and not Christian but it's important to know the whole story.

Even Israels big boss talked about it:

The comment section is very split up. It's one side: "So Germans did nothing wrong" and the other side: "THIS IS ANTISEMITISM!!!".

Not even Netanyahu can criticize Jews without getting called an Antisemite.

[Chiosboy90]

(04-17-2019 11:38 AM)Geomann180 Wrote:  

(04-16-2019 05:28 PM)Sp5 Wrote:  

A: I'm old enough to have talked to a lot of WW2 vets. I was stationed in Germany and talked to German WW2 vets who were captured by the Russians and by the Americans. The command sergeant major on my post was a WW2 vet.

B: There have been thousands of books written about WW2, based on testimony, official records, films. That's on one side of the scale. On the other, you have a YouTube video put out by some rando anon that has a lot of bullshit in it.

C: It's disrespect to the fallen not to look at the complete historical record and repeat this bullshit that "Hitler didn't start the war, man" or "I'm just asking questions." Fuk your questions, the record is out there, crack a few books in a library.

A: I am too. My Grandfather was one of them. He suffered 13 gunshot wounds and barely managed to survive due to lucky circumstance and being son of a Provost Marshall who knew Generals at the time, got the best medical care possible. Managed to outlive all the doctors who said he'd die in less than three years. You're not the only one.

B: There's thousands of books written on both sides. Only the sides that explore a story different than the mainstream narrative are suppressed, people who write them have their lives ruined (i.e, David Irving), and it's illlegal in most countries in Europe including Russian to question the official holocaust narrative. Why? The truth needs no defense. That you're on this forum at all means that on some level means that you at least don't trust mainstream thought on women because some, lots, or all of it is lies. Is it not conceivable that people may have lied to you about other things?

C: It's not disrespect in the slightest. Those men fought for what they thought was right. I respect that. They didn't start the war, they didn't have a hand in the political maneuvering that contributed to the factors that led to the war, or any of that. That's nearly a strawman argument. Fuck off with your emotional pathos argument type bullshit. This forum is better than that and you're better than that.

And before you go putting words into my mouth, I'll tell you what I believe.

I believe that the offical story of WW2 as we know it, is not 100% true. I don't know the percentage of true v untrue. I just know that this history is taught to us with a spin, with a crucial omission of the facts, and is often riddled with straight fabrications and lies (re: Katyn massacre and the lies that Germans made soap and lampshades out of Jewish skin/fat).

There are two statements that I have an issue with:

Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

&

History shall be kind to me, for I intend to write it.

Who's the last quote attributed to?

G

This guy is beyond me. First, he makes an emotional statement like a women and is packing his "emotional" personal stories as some sort of an argument (what happened to rooshV?) and after he cant see that history might be put out in a way that its very one-sided.

(04-17-2019 03:01 PM)Sp5 Wrote:  

[quote='aeroektar' pid='1967122' dateline='1555523735']
[quote='Sp5' pid='1967107' dateline='1555522043']
The problem with debating crypto-Nazis is that they are crypto.

Just come out and say that Hitler was a misunderstood and persecuted genius.

Are you even real?

[joost]

Recently I met an old German lady in her late 80s. I tried to get her point of view about the war from a German perspective but she told me she left Germany when she was a kid. Her parents died and she had to steal food in the streets. Her grandma lived in the States and was able to bring her. Sad story and I couldn’t get any “useful” info about the war. It’s kind of taboo and no German want to be called a nazi sympathizer.

[trickster]

Sounds like the wrong side won the war.

[JackinMelbourne]

(04-16-2019 03:49 PM)Deepdiver Wrote:  

the thing that amazed me most about the documentary was how in 5 short years the NSDAP was able to raise Germany from the depths of the Weimar Hyperinflations to the economic powerhouse of the world by de-coupling the German economic systems from lifelong debt slavery

Were there any international donors? I heard there were "Soros types" around back then too...