[Kid Twist]

(04-18-2019 10:46 PM)moonlight_sonata Wrote:  

I recently had dinner with a friend and his situation is an interesting one from many different angles.

He's seeing a woman that is in an open relationship. Her husband doesn't mind. So far so good. She's in her mid 30s and she has kids from her husband. And she wants kids with my friend.

Funny thing is my friend loves it. He's loyal and doesn't cheat on her. He thinks that she's the best partner ever - no fights, great time, great sex and he doesn't see the kids at all since she has to travel to a different city for work to see him.

My friend is in his prime, good looking, tall, dated many girls over the years, in his thirties and with a great salary and job. He practiced game for a long time. Actually we started together. I guess society gets the best out of you in this country.

[Remington]

(04-18-2019 11:16 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  

(04-18-2019 10:46 PM)moonlight_sonata Wrote:  

I recently had dinner with a friend and his situation is an interesting one from many different angles.

He's seeing a woman that is in an open relationship. Her husband doesn't mind. So far so good. She's in her mid 30s and she has kids from her husband. And she wants kids with my friend.

Funny thing is my friend loves it. He's loyal and doesn't cheat on her. He thinks that she's the best partner ever - no fights, great time, great sex and he doesn't see the kids at all since she has to travel to a different city for work to see him.

My friend is in his prime, good looking, tall, dated many girls over the years, in his thirties and with a great salary and job. He practiced game for a long time. Actually we started together. I guess society gets the best out of you in this country.

This is the least bit interesting. Anyone who is good looking can pick up women with no game.

Why would he want to pick up a married woman if he is as you say?

That pussy is beat to hell. Why would a man waste his time on wasted pussy?

[Harem Scarem]

OP, out of genuine curiosity: whatever happened to the procreating with a 9.5 Mauritian by night while being a white nationalist by day thing? Is this single mother at least white? Is it OK for a WN to be a literal cuck? I'm not trying to be a jerk, I just read that other thread the other day so it made me curious.

Single mothers who also happen to be solid 9s seem to fall straight into your lap. Either you consistently overrate chicks or you might as well just enjoy having a multiracial menu of 9s to choose from every night and stop worrying about any of their kids.

Also, for the glory and the power of the Aryan race, will you please man up and wife up and provide for this 9.9 Anglo-Saxon stunner and put some white babies in her before it's too late:



All jokes aside, you're asking for experiences. Can't offer anything there. But honestly, to ask the question is to answer it. We just know deep down that settling into a broken home (without even being sure that she would have some of your babies) is not how men used to do things, at least not since dynastic marriages went out of fashion. To see how that worked out, go to the theatre and watch Richard III by Shakespeare. Slightly unorthodox advice, I know. But there are some lessons in Edward IV's decision to marry a hot widow with kids.

More contemporarily, I don't have any experiences in your age range (dude in his 40s, girl in her late 20s), but I can tell you about a female friend of mine (late 30s, around a 4 or 5, so not of sexual interest to me). She has a son from her ex who was abusive and not taking responsibilities for the care of the boy (her side of the story, of course). Then she got a new boyfriend (in his early 40s I think) who started living with them and stepping in as surrogate daddy. This worked out very well until it suddenly stopped working out after about a year. So now the boy has faced the trauma of losing "daddy" not once but twice.

Obviously the age and sexual attractiveness are completely different in this story, but I'm highlighting this because you have to think about the long-term future as well. If you're not committed or you change your mind after a while, you'll hurt more people than just yourself, and even the trashiest single mums don't deserve that. I don't know how it is in Australia, but in Western Europe, many underclass people live dissolute lives like that into their 30s and 40s and beyond. I'm sure you could make a good buck (maybe some are already doing it) by linking 40s/50s dudes to 30s/40s "MILFs" who would barely score a 5 or a 6 to dudes with options. I don't want to get too political here, but mass immigration is only one of the prongs in the attack on us. The other one is the demoralisation and debasement of the whites themselves. But I digress.

I'm more than a decade younger so I wouldn't presume to tell you how to go about starting a family at this point. But the issue will come up for me in the next 5-10 years. I'm going to have to start thinking about it and planning it in this time frame. I don't know exactly how it will look but being a cuckold according to the textbook definition of the word is not going to be a part of that plan. I'd rather marry a 7 with no children than a 9 with children. Her having a career without being a "corporate freak" is neither a pro nor a con.

Banging is another story. I'm not going to sit here and say you can't touch a woman you perceive as a 9 just because of this or that red flag. However, single motherhood is a red flag and it comes with precautions to protect yourself from drama or getting too involved, just like one would do with a young, but crazy slut or something.

[whiteknightrises]

I know it's somewhat common in the USA for people to have step-parents (in other words, raising someone else's kids)

But personally, I find that really weird.

Just my 2 Satoshi

[MikeS]

(04-19-2019 04:45 AM)whiteknightrises Wrote:  

I know it's somewhat common in the USA for people to have step-parents (in other words, raising someone else's kids)

But personally, I find that really weird.

Just my 2 Satoshi

Divorce rates in the west (including large parts of supposedly more conservative and traditional Eastern Europe) are 40-50% so obviously a huge part of the populations have experiences with being or having step-parents.

My parents divorced when I was in my mid teens, both remarried to people I liked and still like.
I never really thought it of as particularly weird (it was not uncommon even those 25+ years ago) or particularly damaging to me (although I obviously can't say how I might have turned out if my parents had - likely unhappily - stayed together. Being as old as I was, moving out on my own about three years later when I turned 18, probably lessened most negative aspects of a possibly overprotective mother).

[moonlight_sonata]

(04-19-2019 12:09 AM)Remington Wrote:  

This is the least bit interesting. Anyone who is good looking can pick up women with no game.

Why would he want to pick up a married woman if he is as you say?

That pussy is beat to hell. Why would a man waste his time on wasted pussy?

I think he finally wanted to have a deeper connection with somebody that will tolerate all his flaws. At some point banging gets old, especially when girls don't give you the deep connection you crave. And this lady seems to give him the motherly love he's missing. Who knows, he's very blue pilled and sees no problem with this. He finds it a great way to save a marriage - just open it up. He fits well in the feminized world as he's very feminist himself.

[PixelFree]

(04-19-2019 03:48 AM)Harem Scarem Wrote:  

OP, out of genuine curiosity: whatever happened to the procreating with a 9.5 Mauritian by night while being a white nationalist by day thing? Is this single mother at least white? Is it OK for a WN to be a literal cuck? I'm not trying to be a jerk, I just read that other thread the other day so it made me curious.

Single mothers who also happen to be solid 9s seem to fall straight into your lap. Either you consistently overrate chicks or you might as well just enjoy having a multiracial menu of 9s to choose from every night and stop worrying about any of their kids.

Hey. I'm still seeing the Mauritian. She's still really great. I've decided to not overthink things and enjoy each day as it lasts. I can really only decide on any chick after the 'amazing sex' part of the relationship is finished.

Yes, both the single mums are white. BTW, they don't 'fall into my lap', they are a the result of good game and hard work. I'm experienced enough to know I could go there (with one of them).

I don't see the conflict here that others may seem. Just because I think white people should have a home country (just as Asian people, Black people, and all other people) doesn't mean I would not procreate with a black lady.

We all have our 'rules' (e.g. no single mums) until the exception case comes along (a single mum who is a 9). I don't think I'm overrating them. You could argue that she was a 9 in looks childless and that now that she's a single mother she's really a 6.

Anyway - happy to share photos/videos of both of these women if you or any poster PMs me (no lurkers) and are willing to then give us their rating to this thread.

The comment that made my mind up on the single mother question is from the Canadian guy on being liable for future child support if the kid sees me as 'Dad'.

That was enough for me...

It's a waste of headspace for me to think about it further, although it was something fun to discuss on the forum.

It does depend though - if I was an extremely wealthy 50 year old with less game/look/options, that might still be a good deal, as I have seen it before.

[partyfowl]

I've dated many a single mother and they usually don't hide the fact that their kid comes first which I don't mind. I never understood raising another man's kid as some great kill shot, hell I grew up thinking myself as the dud baby since I was the last kid in my family to do anything so in a way anybody is better than my biological kid. Plus as someone stated IIT, there is an unspoken truth that these women know they have to try harder, and bring more value to the relationship, because of the baggage they bring. Also none of the moms immediately thought of me as a father until a good 3 or so dates after meeting.

Also the stigma around them that "they already have proven they're incapable of good choices." is retarded on its face. Imagine saying that to a single dad, when something isn't universally applicable it's usually bullshit. Now if they're single and multiple divorced THAT'S the red flag. One mistake isn't eternal damnation, nor should it be.

Now that I'm more or less exclusively dating non-white women. In this society, where single moms are rampant in especially the black community (which is my prime taste in women) saying "no single moms" kills A LOT of options for me on that alone, especially if they're younger (21-27) than me

[Teo72]

What if you were with them before they got the kid?
Meaning, you were married with the woman, divorced, he got a new husband and then she divorced again.
In this case, would you go back to her?

[PantyPeeler]

(05-01-2019 05:37 PM)partyfowl Wrote:  

Also the stigma around them that "they already have proven they're incapable of good choices." is retarded on its face. Imagine saying that to a single dad, when something isn't universally applicable it's usually bullshit. Now if they're single and multiple divorced THAT'S the red flag. One mistake isn't eternal damnation, nor should it be.

(05-06-2019 08:00 AM)Teo72 Wrote:  

What if you were with them before they got the kid?
Meaning, you were married with the woman, divorced, he got a new husband and then she divorced again.
In this case, would you go back to her?

Becoming a single mother is probably the most selfish thing a woman can do. At the very least, it shows a history of terrible life changing decisions, for her AND her child AND everyone involved who will pay for her selfishness. She bought into the whole "strong brave woman" thing, which is the most delusional and harmful aspect of radical feminism.

A single mother will go to great lengths to disguise her selfishness. She will hide her true colors for years.

Normally I say you only really BEGIN to know someone after 6 months of dating. With single mothers that becomes a full 18 months, and I personally wouldnt stick around long enough to find out.

A father figure after 3 dates? Jesus H Christ.

[Teo72]

(05-06-2019 08:49 AM)PantyPeeler Wrote:  

Becoming a single mother is probably the most selfish thing a woman can do. At the very least, it shows a history of terrible life changing decisions, for her AND her child. She bought into the whole "strong brave woman" thing, which is the most delusional and harmful aspect of radical feminism.

A single mother will go to great lengths to disguise her selfishness. She will hide her true colors for years.

Normally I say you only really BEGIN to know someone after 6 months of dating. With single mothers that becomes a full 18 months, and I personally wouldnt stick around long enough to find out.

A father figure after 3 dates? Jesus H Christ.

This is jut not true, folks .
There are plenty o cases in which a mother has to leave her husband
If he becomes an alcoholic and may be beating her children
If he keeps betraying her
If he goes to jail
If he just leaves her with the children and goes with another woman

How does a woman be held responsible for this?

[partyfowl]

(05-06-2019 08:54 AM)Teo72 Wrote:  

(05-06-2019 08:49 AM)PantyPeeler Wrote:  

Becoming a single mother is probably the most selfish thing a woman can do. At the very least, it shows a history of terrible life changing decisions, for her AND her child. She bought into the whole "strong brave woman" thing, which is the most delusional and harmful aspect of radical feminism.

A single mother will go to great lengths to disguise her selfishness. She will hide her true colors for years.

Normally I say you only really BEGIN to know someone after 6 months of dating. With single mothers that becomes a full 18 months, and I personally wouldnt stick around long enough to find out.

A father figure after 3 dates? Jesus H Christ.

This is jut not true, folks .
There are plenty o cases in which a mother has to leave her husband
If he becomes an alcoholic and may be beating her children
If he keeps betraying her
If he goes to jail
If he just leaves her with the children and goes with another woman

How does a woman be held responsible for this?

There's that and also the entire "one mistake = damnation" that people perpetuate. We all have had mistakes and to be blunt, there has to be a standard for women as well. My standard is multiple kids AND multiple marriages for example.

[EndsExpect]

Um... this idea that a man will always be #2 to a woman's kids isn't correct. It somewhat depends on the woman, but weak beta style men will always be #2... even to their own kids. Strong men that the woman finds extremely attractive will always be prioritized over even her own children. I see this shit happen all the time.

The issue in my mind with single moms is that you start to date them, you get involved with the kid a bit... sometimes you actually grow to love the child... then you break up and never see the kid again. Additionally, a lot of women will expect you to take the child in as your own at some point. A lot of guys have no issue with that, but it's a struggle for me. You know in the past a guy would either sell off or kill the previous man's children. Lions do the same... it's not uncommon in nature.

Final point. It has been mentioned before, but the reason a woman is a single parent is important. Keep in mind the reason she gives you up front will always be bullshit.

[partyfowl]

(05-07-2019 07:04 PM)EndsExpect Wrote:  

Um... this idea that a man will always be #2 to a woman's kids isn't correct. It somewhat depends on the woman, but weak beta style men will always be #2... even to their own kids. Strong men that the woman finds extremely attractive will always be prioritized over even her own children. I see this shit happen all the time.

The issue in my mind with single moms is that you start to date them, you get involved with the kid a bit... sometimes you actually grow to love the child... then you break up and never see the kid again. Additionally, a lot of women will expect you to take the child in as your own at some point. A lot of guys have no issue with that, but it's a struggle for me. You know in the past a guy would either sell off or kill the previous man's children. Lions do the same... it's not uncommon in nature.

Final point. It has been mentioned before, but the reason a woman is a single parent is important. Keep in mind the reason she gives you up front will always be bullshit.

1. I can see how that would bother some men, granted if you eventually have kids with the mom it becomes far less of an issue.

2. Not uncommon in nature yes. But as a Christian, I was made in God's image therefore I am above such bestial actions. I also have no reason to kill a man's kid because most of the time, the men are absent.

3. Depends on how old. Most of the younger ones are more honest as they know they can still get by on looks. As they get older they become more manipulative.

[rudebwoy]

There is nothing top shelf about a single mother.

This a fad that has been sold to men, just like the whole cougar and milf thing, Which is to make older women more desirable to younger men and men in general,

[moonlight_sonata]

Single moms are on the raise hand in hand with the divorce epidemic. We'll continue to see more and more of them so we'll have to figure out a way to deal with the situation. The only real issue with a single moms is when you think to have kids together.

[MikeS]

(05-07-2019 07:04 PM)EndsExpect Wrote:  

Um... this idea that a man will always be #2 to a woman's kids isn't correct. It somewhat depends on the woman, but weak beta style men will always be #2... even to their own kids. Strong men that the woman finds extremely attractive will always be prioritized over even her own children. I see this shit happen all the time...

Then the woman is fucked up, more than she may or may not already be from simply being a single mom. No woman should prioritize a man who's not the kid's father over her own kid - though you did mention an original family still together as well, in which case I don't have the experience to comment on what seems reasonable and natural (and this thread is in any case about banging or dating single moms, not about being a dad).
That should have less to do with the man being beta or otherwise and more to do with poor choices on her part.

If I'm in a relationship with a single mom - and I have been - I sure as hell think it would be wrong if I'm more important to her than her own offspring. That would make her a shitty mother at best and mentally ill at worst.

[lunchmoney]

As someone who has dated a few single mothers (dated = banged) "top shelf single mother" is an oxymoron.

[Mufasa]

wow.
8-kid single mother is peak thotiana
when "black china handbook" blows up in your face

[questor70]

Here's the thing about kids. You can like her kids all you want, but kids are EXPENSIVE. I know full well dealing with college debt coming in, the last and biggest ticket item of parenthood (since I really don't want to saddle my daughter with it if possible). On a pragmatic level, single moms can't avoid thinking about that when scoping out partners. I know what you're saying. Even if the ex husband is paying child support, that's just what the law grants her and women easily piss through that rather than spend it responsibly.

Fool around with single moms all you like but don't marry them unless you're independently wealthy and feeling very generous. And if you go the more casual route, don't expect the relationship to last long as few single moms aren't holding out for a new provider whether they admit it at first or not. So it's all got a short shelf-life which is sort of a downer from start to finish.