[Leonard D Neubache]

(04-19-2019 10:52 AM)debeguiled Wrote:  

...
Now when are you going to tell us about that mushroom trip?

[Kid Twist]

^ Yes, I saw him mention on that recent podcast he did (with the girl with glasses and the guy with a weird accent) that he's going to just focus now on more private people that hear and understand already his points of view, as opposed to being some public warrior. It's very wise, and also an eventuality having had acclaim on one level or another that was necessary, however detrimental it could be overall.

LOL on the mushroom trip request, I'm sure he'll address that when the time is ready

[The Usual Suspect]

Personally I’m not in this place yet, no criticism from me, you must be further along the path.

However what I don’t believe in is religious doctrine. My thoughts are that was invented for control over a populous. Imop ancient cultures worshipped the sun, who really is the giver of life on our planet, but who is just a small cog in a bigger universe

But now we have more information...yet it leads to more questions. I believe in free will, I believe there is life on other planets in the billons of galaxies, but perhaps we are in the upper echelons of intelligence....is there a point of such high intelligence where we could perhaps become gods? Who knows...

But all this has to come from some place...but I’d rather “trust it” than worship what people wrote down 2,000 years ago

[Tail Gunner]

(04-19-2019 10:52 AM)debeguiled Wrote:  

Now when are you going to tell us about that mushroom trip?

Roosh already discussed it. He said that "I 'died' while on the mushrooms and saw what happens after death."

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Oddly enough, no one actually asked Roosh what he saw. They were more interested in how to take the mushrooms than in what Roosh saw when he "died."

A sign of the times, I guess.

[debeguiled]

(04-19-2019 12:18 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

(04-19-2019 10:52 AM)debeguiled Wrote:  

Now when are you going to tell us about that mushroom trip?

Roosh already discussed it. He said that "I 'died' while on the mushrooms and saw what happens after death."

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Oddly enough, no one actually asked Roosh what he saw. They were more interested in how to take the mushrooms than in what Roosh saw when he "died."

A sign of the times, I guess.

I was trying to be funny.

He doesn't owe it to us or anyone else to share mushroom trips or anything else.

Was what I was getting at.

[Aurini]

(04-19-2019 12:18 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

(04-19-2019 10:52 AM)debeguiled Wrote:  

Now when are you going to tell us about that mushroom trip?

Roosh already discussed it. He said that "I 'died' while on the mushrooms and saw what happens after death."

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Oddly enough, no one actually asked Roosh what he saw. They were more interested in how to take the mushrooms than in what Roosh saw when he "died."

A sign of the times, I guess.

I, for one, am very curious. But I'll wait until he's ready to speak of it.

Thanks for pointing out the existence of that thread, I need to go to the Life subforum more often.

[Roosh]

(04-19-2019 02:24 PM)Aurini Wrote:  

(04-19-2019 12:18 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

(04-19-2019 10:52 AM)debeguiled Wrote:  

Now when are you going to tell us about that mushroom trip?

Roosh already discussed it. He said that "I 'died' while on the mushrooms and saw what happens after death."

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Oddly enough, no one actually asked Roosh what he saw. They were more interested in how to take the mushrooms than in what Roosh saw when he "died."

A sign of the times, I guess.

I, for one, am very curious. But I'll wait until he's ready to speak of it.

Thanks for pointing out the existence of that thread, I need to go to the Life subforum more often.

I typed up the draft of my experience. It's 7500 words. Big writing pieces take months for me to finish.

But I will walk about it on my tour, which starts in June.

[Kid Twist]

Has time influenced the impact of that experience in a qualitative or quantitative way, Roosh?

[_Different_T]

(04-19-2019 12:09 PM)The Usual Suspect Wrote:  

However what I don’t believe in is religious doctrine.

How did you come to believe what you believe about science, free will, etc. You claim you don't believe in "religious" doctrine, so what doctrine do you believe and why do you say it isn't "religious?"

(04-19-2019 12:09 PM)The Usual Suspect Wrote:  

My thoughts are that was invented for control over a populous.

It's a trivial observation that religions prescribe and prohibit certain behaviors and thought. What you seem to be unable to articulate is something like you believe religions are completely fabricated for political purposes and that you deem those purposes as bad.

(04-19-2019 12:09 PM)The Usual Suspect Wrote:  

Imop ancient cultures worshipped the sun, who really is the giver of life on our planet, but who is just a small cog in a bigger universe

And we can already see your issue is exactly political (relating to authority)/moral. "Oh the sun, huh. That's a 'small cog' and anything you say about that is just to control because we live in a 'bigger universe.'"

(04-19-2019 12:09 PM)The Usual Suspect Wrote:  

But all this has to come from some place...but I’d rather “trust it” than worship what people wrote down 2,000 years ago

What's the difference between "trusting it" and setting up yourself as the ultimate judge of "it?"

[Tail Gunner]

(04-19-2019 07:28 PM)_Different_T Wrote:  

(04-19-2019 12:09 PM)The Usual Suspect Wrote:  

But all this has to come from some place...but I’d rather “trust it” than worship what people wrote down 2,000 years ago

What's the difference between "trusting it" and setting up yourself as the ultimate judge of "it?"

Yes, that is what it always comes down to in the end. In terms of morality, some Johnny-Come-Lately always knows better than God. In terms of a political system, some Johnny-Come-Lately always knows better than The Founding Fathers (who based their political system on Biblical principles).

Refer back to my post #326. I truly believe that this Bible verse explains most of mankind's ills, both now and throughout history. It is worth repeating:

"In those days there was no king in Israel: every man did that which was right in his own eyes." Judges 21:25 (KJV)

Every wanna-be tyrant, philosopher, or SJW believes that he knows better than the Creator of the universe.

BTW: No one "worships" the Bible. If they do, they are not a Christian. Christians worship only God. They read the Bible to know God's will -- and following God's will leads to a fruitful life versus a life devoid of meaning.

[The Usual Suspect]

The bible lost me in claiming the earth was created in 7 days by an omnipotent being and is only a few thousand years old

It’s a work of man, not a god. It’s deeply flawed. Chinese whispers are enough evidence of how stories are innocently manipulated over the ages, Jesus Christ was stolen from an Egyptian god

How do you control an uneducated populous? Tell them bad things will happen in eternity if they don’t play nice. Don’t get me wrong there is a lot of good morals in there too

The circle of life is what I believe in. Energy can only be transferred not destroyed

The only proof for gods existence is gut feelings and the fact that before the Big Bang there had to be a starting point, a reason

Giving yourself over to “a higher power” can give you peace of mind no doubt about that, but if we’re red pilling to question the truth, then surely the bible & religion itself has to be under scrutiny

[_Different_T]

You're essentially a monist which has a large corpus of doctrine (of which you are likely totally unaware) and is currently being popularized throughout the West, yet you claim you aren't into religious doctrine specifically because it's used to control populations.

[The Usual Suspect]

I’ll read up on it, cheers

[Tail Gunner]

(04-20-2019 03:56 AM)The Usual Suspect Wrote:  

The bible lost me in claiming the earth was created in 7 days by an omnipotent being and is only a few thousand years old

It’s a work of man, not a god. It’s deeply flawed. Chinese whispers are enough evidence of how stories are innocently manipulated over the ages, Jesus Christ was stolen from an Egyptian god

How do you control an uneducated populous? Tell them bad things will happen in eternity if they don’t play nice. Don’t get me wrong there is a lot of good morals in there too

The circle of life is what I believe in. Energy can only be transferred not destroyed

The only proof for gods existence is gut feelings and the fact that before the Big Bang there had to be a starting point, a reason

Giving yourself over to “a higher power” can give you peace of mind no doubt about that, but if we’re red pilling to question the truth, then surely the bible & religion itself has to be under scrutiny

At this point, you need to take your discussion elsewhere. In the OP, Roosh made the purpose of this thread quite clear:

Quote:

This is not a thread for pedantic debate about the existence of God or which sect is best. This is for people who already believe in God and want to get closer to Him. (Atheists are free to create their own thread).

It is interesting that atheists always argue that there is no proof for God, when it exists all around us in nature. I recall reading a book, written by a scientist, that stated that because of the human eye's incredible complexity the odds of just the human eye alone being randomly created was comparable to filling the entire State of Texas hip deep in silver dollars and then finding the exact one for which you were looking in just one attempt.

In fact, Charles Darwin cited this exact problem, but then ignored it (or rather engaged in some real double-speak):

Quote:

One of the best examples of design within the human body is the eye. Even Charles Darwin struggled with the problem of how to explain how such a complex organ as the eye could have “evolved” through naturalistic processes. In The Origin of Species he wrote:

To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest sense (1859, p. 170, emp. added).

http://apologeticspress.org/apcontent.as...ticle=1412

Quote:

In his book, Does God Believe in Atheists?, John Blanchard described just how complex the eye really is.

The human eye is a truly amazing phenomenon. Although accounting for just one fourth-thousandth of an adult’s weight, it is the medium which processes some 80% of the information received by its owner from the outside world. The tiny retina contains about 130 million rod-shaped cells, which detect light intensity and transmit impulses to the visual cortex of the brain by means of some one million nerve fibres, while nearly six million cone-shaped cells do the same job, but respond specifically to colour variation. The eyes can handle 500,00 messages simultaneously, and are kept clear by ducts producing just the right amount of fluid with which the lids clean both eyes simultaneously in one five-thousandth of a second (2000, p. 313).

Statements like this proves that the eye was so well designed, and so complicated, that it could not have happened by accident, as evolution teaches.

http://apologeticspress.org/apcontent.as...ticle=1412

[911]

(04-16-2019 06:56 AM)ilostabet Wrote:  



Surely this belongs in this thread.

Obrigado, lostabet.

This also belongs here today, a picture of NYC on easter day in 1956:



Happy Easter to all my brothers here.

[flyinghorse]

(04-20-2019 03:56 AM)The Usual Suspect Wrote:  

The bible lost me in claiming the earth was created in 7 days by an omnipotent being and is only a few thousand years old

I'm not devout so perhaps others will help you with this but the two responses I've heard are:

1. days and time are subjective and what may be 1 day to God may be a 1000 years to man.

2. Its God. He can do that. We cannot understand the workings of God or how he does things because we are human.

I'm not a chritstian apologist but I hope that helps somewhat.

[NoMoreTO]

Some personal favourite verses from the Bible. All should be read in context of course, but I don't want to plaster the board up. When reading what strikes me more recently is learning that there is a clear division between our material world, the things that we want, and the kingdom of God, and what God wants us to be, what we were made to do. All below are KJV, no I'm not a KJV pusher, but I appreciate the old English and the fact that it is not adjusted actively. I've thrown a couple comments in of my own below each one.

Matthew 16:25-27
For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.
For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul? ~Jesus

Mark 3:24
And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand. ~Jesus
>> This can point to so many things. The push for Diversity in a nation. Whether your wife follows you or is divided against you. A business arrangement. Your own conflicting personal belief set.

John 5:44
How can ye believe, which receive honour on of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only? ~Jesus
>> We look for validation from each other, but what does God think about us? Personally, Even if I could think 50-50 what does God think about me vs. are others perceptions of me I would be a better person.

Luke 16:13
No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammom*. ~Jesus (*Mammom means material world)

Romans 9:20
Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
>> We are designed, anything that is designed is made to serve a purpose, by the designer.

Romans 1:21-22
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
>> I think of a friend who loves nature and appreciates so much about the natural world, but then he brings up the big bang theory and he just loses me. No one can deny the beauty of the world, but people attribute it to themselves, or to anything but God. People often prescribe themselves to the most complicated theories rather than follow what should be simple and obvious. If you follow the passage on it points to how this leads to all the inversion agenda of the day.

Romans 15:1
We then that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak, and not to please ourselves.
>> If you are alpha, perhaps it is not for you to follow your own ambitions but to help your family and your local community, to lead, rather than to achieve.

Romans 8: 18
For I recon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which will be revealed in us.
>> A RVF member has/had this as his signature. What I noticed is that the glory will be revealed "IN" us, not "TO" us.

Romans 8:31
What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
>> Simple Positivity.

Happy Easter All

[Disco_Volante]

(04-20-2019 03:56 AM)The Usual Suspect Wrote:  

The bible lost me in claiming the earth was created in 7 days by an omnipotent being

Oddly enough it might be accurate. Time is slowed by gravity, any high-gravity zone (like a black hole or extremely large planet) will pass through time at a slower pace than an area with less gravity.

The big bang occurred in split seconds, however the gravity would've been extremely high there (with all the matter of the universe in one little singularity). So those split seconds would've been days in terms of relative time at great distance from where the bang originated. I.E. further from the bang, time will go by faster (since less gravity).

So the singularity of the bang was a split second at that locality, but light years away time was passing much faster.

Some guy did the math on that and literally got an answer of several days. Meaning the edges of the massive expanse were travelling through time far faster than at the singularity. I can't find it, but based on relativity it makes perfect sense.

[NoMoreTO]

(04-21-2019 08:50 PM)flyinghorse Wrote:  

(04-20-2019 03:56 AM)The Usual Suspect Wrote:  

The bible lost me in claiming the earth was created in 7 days by an omnipotent being and is only a few thousand years old

2. Its God. He can do that. We cannot understand the workings of God or how he does things because we are human.

In the Old Testament book of Job God sets things straight that he is not to be questioned, we know so little. To me this would be a scripture which supports point 2 of Flying Horse. My impression is that it is not for us to know completely, and it is somewhat arrogant to think we can know.

JOB 38
1
Then the Lord spoke to Job out of the storm. He said:
2
“Who is this that obscures my plans
with words without knowledge?
3
Brace yourself like a man;
I will question you,
and you shall answer me.
4
“Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation?
Tell me, if you understand.
5
Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know!
Who stretched a measuring line across it?
6
On what were its footings set,
or who laid its cornerstone—

[Dr. Howard]

(04-21-2019 09:36 PM)Disco_Volante Wrote:  

(04-20-2019 03:56 AM)The Usual Suspect Wrote:  

The bible lost me in claiming the earth was created in 7 days by an omnipotent being

Oddly enough it might be accurate. Time is slowed by gravity, any high-gravity zone (like a black hole or extremely large planet) will pass through time at a slower pace than an area with less gravity.

The big bang occurred in split seconds, however the gravity would've been extremely high there (with all the matter of the universe in one little singularity). So those split seconds would've been days in terms of relative time at great distance from where the bang originated. I.E. further from the bang, time will go by faster (since less gravity).

So the singularity of the bang was a split second at that locality, but light years away time was passing much faster.

Some guy did the math on that and literally got an answer of several days. Meaning the edges of the massive expanse were travelling through time far faster than at the singularity. I can't find it, but based on relativity it makes perfect sense.

That is amazing. I always enjoy when science 'discovers' things that are plain prescriptions in the bible.

My favorite recent example was when I was watching a show on dinosaurs and the 'formation of the earth' and they talked about some new discovery about the "Carnian Plural Event"...where it rained constantly on the earth for almost 2 million years and caused a complete extinction of organisms before the dinosaurs. https://laughingsquid.com/why-it-rained-...ion-years/

A giant flood coming from massive rains, which wiped out life on earth, arriving as a near blip on the geologic time scale and then disappearing just as quickly? Where have I read that before?!

[CynicalContrarian]

(04-20-2019 03:56 AM)The Usual Suspect Wrote:  

The bible lost me in claiming the earth was created in 7 days by an omnipotent being and is only a few thousand years old
It’s a work of man, not a god. It’s deeply flawed. Chinese whispers are enough evidence of how stories are innocently manipulated over the ages, Jesus Christ was stolen from an Egyptian god
How do you control an uneducated populous? Tell them bad things will happen in eternity if they don’t play nice. Don’t get me wrong there is a lot of good morals in there too
The circle of life is what I believe in. Energy can only be transferred not destroyed
The only proof for gods existence is gut feelings and the fact that before the Big Bang there had to be a starting point, a reason
Giving yourself over to “a higher power” can give you peace of mind no doubt about that, but if we’re red pilling to question the truth, then surely the bible & religion itself has to be under scrutiny

As others have alluded to.
Not only is time relative.
Yet the Bible never specifically states that the Earth is ~6000 years old.

That particular lineage of ancient Hebrew folk may be ~6000 years old.
Yet it never specifically states the Earth as such.

If the creation of man is the culmination of God's creation.
Seven lots of 2 billion years (in "fast forward") does fit neatly with the idea of the universe being 14 billion years old.

Also, there's two references to the creation of man in Genesis. One very general, & one which references the creation of Adam.
Either way, we are here & now. Sure, it would be interesting to know of the exact 'nature' of creation.
Yet we're here anyway. Best to live the most righteous life possible...

[infowarrior1]

(04-19-2019 11:15 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

(04-19-2019 10:52 AM)debeguiled Wrote:  

...
Now when are you going to tell us about that mushroom trip?

Summary of Leonard's Trip:

[Que enspastic]

I believe in the Greek Gods even though I’m not Greek and even though people think it’s cool to only latch onto Jew God / Bible God / Quran God

Whatever

Poiseidon is my man

[CynicalContrarian]

(04-22-2019 07:08 AM)Que enspastic Wrote:  

I believe in the Greek Gods even though I’m not Greek and even though people think it’s cool to only latch onto Jew God / Bible God / Quran God

Whatever

Poiseidon is my man

As I recall. Zeus & co. did not create the universe.
Who did, in ancient Greek mythology?

[Dr. Howard]

(04-22-2019 07:08 AM)Que enspastic Wrote:  

I believe in the Greek Gods even though I’m not Greek and even though people think it’s cool to only latch onto Jew God / Bible God / Quran God

Whatever

Poiseidon is my man

Millions of Buddhists and Hindus would disagree.

I personally don't know if other gods are real, they may be and have some kind of spiritual power like an angel or demon. In the old testament God made it a point to square off with these old gods to show that he is the real deal. I wish I could recall it more specifically but the 10 plagues of Egypt was also God overpowering the egyptian deities.

It wasn't the same as the golden calf where the egyptian gods would have been referred to were as idols, aka statues with no power. They are referred to as gods, in the same way that Molech and Baal are.

The Ishtar/queen of heaven worship from the old testament is also really interesting to read about and how it followed the people scattered from the tower of Babel.

Anyway, Greek gods and other gods may have been real in the same way that other spirits and demons are real. For example, even though God is the one true God, Satan has plenty of spiritual power and rewards those who chain themselves to him, for a price.