[Nater]

(02-12-2019 05:13 PM)Nater Wrote:  

Another question I ask what leads a woman from X background to exclusively date guys from Y background over the years? And rarely divert.

(02-13-2019 10:35 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

I see this a lot with women that come from hyper-macho cultures and move to the US at either an early enough age. As much as this thread has said only Asian and Indian men suffer from their women doing this, I have mentioned in other threads that Middle Eastern do it a great deal themselves. In fact, I'd throw in a lot of Latinas who grow up in wealthier areas into that group.

I don't think macho culture is what drives women to not date men from their own background. That's just propaganda. It actually does the opposite effect. Is American culture hyper-macho today? Probably not. There is a lot of American women who refuse to date men from their own background, probably more than any other minority group. Macho culture does not drive people to date exclusively outside of their background. I don’t blame white guys/girls because they have been subject to a powerful propaganda for a long time but that’s the truth. It's something new for people from my background. Many of us still have the option to go back home and find some wife material lady if we are willing to be exposed to the culture and have a woman from a similar background. Women from my background (North Africa) who refuse to date men from their own ethnicity are a minority in North America (Canada). In France, it’s a growing number but still a minority in my opinion.

(02-13-2019 10:35 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

The story with a lot of Middle Eastern girls in the western world is always the same, plenty of them turn into hardcore feminists and a lot of them I have noticed will rarely fuck guys of their own background. I used to wonder why every Arab or Persian player I knew was fucking hot girls of other races, mainly white, until a couple of my friends of that background gave me the lowdown on their women in the western world. A lot of the women will claim because their culture is very patriarchal which is so true to the point that even the most anti-feminist right-winger will agree they go too far in places like the Middle East.

Women who grew up exposed to X culture usually end up with a guy from X culture. As a matter of fact, most girls who studied with me back home ended up in a relationship with a guy from a similar background. Even those who came to the West to study dated some guys outside their background but they usually married guys from their background culture.

(02-13-2019 10:35 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

But I think it is rooted in something deeper than just that.

I think in some parts of the world people fetishize features like blue eyes and blond hair, the Middle East being a prime example, and when women from those cultures come to a more culturally liberal place they just go for what their culture inherently considered good looking. So it is no surprise that my Middle Eastern friends have had far better experiences sleeping with white women while my blond haired friends seem to draw in some sexy Latinas and Middle Eastern women like flies when it comes to one night stands. Some races are inherently not attracted to their own when it comes to flings and one night stands.

Yes a lot of people are attracted to their opposite. I am one of them. But some people are not though. Girls who studied with me when I was living back home. A majority of them went to study in the West (90%). They have been in relationship with different guys but mostly guys from their background. Only one girl who studied with me has married a guy outside of her background. I expect this number to increase over the years and I think it’s good for them if that’s what they want. If preference is the key factor in driving women to refuse men from their own background and we assume most people are attracted by their opposite. It would be fair to say that most of these Esmeralda look alike that studied with me when I was younger would have married guys who are their opposite in terms of looks. That was not the case, the majority is marrying guys from the same background.

I think the key factor is exposure to the culture. The more time someone spends with people from X culture or Y culture. The higher the chances he will have to meet someone from that culture. If I want to marry a girl from this or that culture I will force myself to get some exposure to it. Then it will be easier to have a relationship with a women from that culture since the transition will be smooth for me, my friends, family and hers as well.

It's an interesting subject, thanks for the thread @abeerisenough +1

[Nater]

(02-14-2019 12:03 AM)EndsExpect Wrote:  

I said this before. Some women do not like the culture they were raised into and want to marry out of it. There is a perception that if you marry a black guy he will be your personal 24 hour slave boy. That's why these relationships don't last when the girls are actively fetishizing the guys. For fucks sake the divorce rate alone is like 300% higher than normal.

Good points @Endsexpect.

Quick question for anyone; If a girl from background X has a good perception of guy with background Y. What led her to have that perception in the first place? Media, news, society? Also, when Girl X has a good perception of guy with background Y she needs to interact together in a similar environment. If I assume, they go out together for a few months and make love for the first time. Few months later, they separate. After the separation, it seems to me that girls from background X stick with their preference of dating guys from background Y over the years. Was that your experience from girls who you dated but refused to go for their own background? These girls seem to have an extensive knowledge about culture Y over the years, it’s not something they could have gathered from a fling. I wonder if a woman will always have this perception of a guy from background Y better than a guy from her own background?

[thedarkknight]

(02-14-2019 02:29 PM)Nater Wrote:  

(02-14-2019 12:03 AM)EndsExpect Wrote:  

I said this before. Some women do not like the culture they were raised into and want to marry out of it. There is a perception that if you marry a black guy he will be your personal 24 hour slave boy. That's why these relationships don't last when the girls are actively fetishizing the guys. For fucks sake the divorce rate alone is like 300% higher than normal.

Good points @Endsexpect.

Quick question for anyone; If a girl from background X has a good perception of guy with background Y. What led her to have that perception in the first place? Media, news, society? Also, when Girl X has a good perception of guy with background Y she needs to interact together in a similar environment. If I assume, they go out together for a few months and make love for the first time. Few months later, they separate. After the separation, it seems to me that girls from background X stick with their preference of dating guys from background Y over the years. Was that your experience from girls who you dated but refused to go for their own background? These girls seem to have an extensive knowledge about culture Y over the years, it’s not something they could have gathered from a fling. I wonder if a woman will always have this perception of a guy from background Y better than a guy from her own background?

As an educated, black male, who gets close to women from conservative, patriarchal cultures.

The women had several issues with men from their own culture:

1) Misogyny. They were pissed off that the men had carte blanche to bang white women, where they were scared to even look at a man from another background. They also mentioned personal stories of their men whopping a woman's ass, or even rape.

2) Feminists/independent women. These women were educated and earned their own money.

3) Poor relationships with mother. These non-white women seemed to love their fathers more than the mothers. Not expected but they seemed to resent their mothers and saw them as passive,weak and overly docile. They often described the mothers as abusive, hateful and jealous of their daughters.

4) Unathletic/higher body fat percentage men. The men from their cultures were not athletic/ripped, so they seemed objectified my lean muscle mass/body. Self-explanatory.

5) Men who are too serious/uptight. They really like men who can make them laugh and not be serious. If you have a playful personality, you will find their barriers melt quite easily.

This has been my experience...and I'm black, so a North/ Northern Western European, white male, who knows the above, will cause some serious damage.

TDK

[kaotic]

Guys if you don't know, OP has posted shit like this COUNTLESS times, obsessing over race, interracial dating, his looks, his job, and "getting hot girls"

Look at his thread posting history: search.php?a...304089e2d2

It speaks for itself.

He's been given countless advice and goes into autistic rants about his "observations" in many of his threads.

Even Papaya Tapper has done this countless times and called him out:

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He's claimed that he was done with this forum and that this is his "last post".

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Yet comes back like a pariah, he won't listen, he won't take actionable advice or listen. Then gets hostile when he's called out.


In other words:

Don't feed the Indian Race Troll.

[B-Minus]

Women might refuse to go for men of your background, but a juicy chest is a juicy chest, no matter who adorns it. My point is hit the gym and get juicy. Chest and arms, no need for back, legs, maybe do shoulders. You should look like an imbalanced freak when you're done, that's how you know you did it right.

[for.petes.sake]

(02-14-2019 03:10 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Guys if you don't know, OP has posted shit like this COUNTLESS times, obsessing over race, interracial dating, his looks, his job, and "getting hot girls"

Look at his thread posting history: search.php?a...304089e2d2

It speaks for itself.

He's been given countless advice and goes into autistic rants about his "observations" in many of his threads.

Even Papaya Tapper has done this countless times and called him out:

thread-71447...pid1894249

He's claimed that he was done with this forum and that this is his "last post".

thread-71447...pid1894134

Yet comes back like a pariah, he won't listen, he won't take actionable advice or listen. Then gets hostile when he's called out.


In other words:

Don't feed the Indian Race Troll.

Thank you. I thought I was the only one who noticed this. I grew up in the Toronto region and recently have come back. I can tell you is that all my Indian friends (guys and girls) were dating other Indians. My male Indian friends did not ever complain about Indian girls not dating them because of their background.

[8ball]

I am pretty sure its that Indian guy that claimed to be Italian for many years.

[a beer is enough]

I wanted to bring in another observation based off of a small sample size I have had.

It seems like girls I know who grew up in areas where they were the only one of their ethnicity are actually not that closed off to getting with guys of their own race. I recently went on a date with an Indian girl who was the only Indian in her area growing up, if I was not so exhausted from the day itself I would have probably taken her home and smashed but still kiss closed and we have another one lined up soon. She told me how she fit in well with her friend group and in many ways, she had the personality of a farmer's daughter type while having the look of an Indian girl. In some ways, Indian and brown men were exotic to her because of where she grew up.

So what really creates the type of girls I am talking about in this thread?

The ethnic girls I have known who do refuse to casually sleep around with men of their own race come from more liberal and diverse areas. Areas that have a lot of people of their own race as well as a lot of people from more liberal cultures compared to their own. A good example would be the typical suburb that happens to have some minorities in it as well.

These women see their white counterparts living the Instagram popular girl life growing up so they want to get in on the cool crowd. They want to rebel from overbearing parents or feeling like an outsider to finally belonging, a way to do that is to ignore men of their own race. I mean there is just something about suburban American culture from my experience that creates some toxic social dynamics which make knowing the 48 Laws Of Power by Robert Greene almost mandatory.

I always notice how in some industries like the fashion industry for example, this sort of dynamic is pretty common.

Here is my concern though....

Some of these women are known for using men of their own race as meal tickets for long term relationships once they have had their fun. Examples were already mentioned by a member on this thread about how some girls will date guys of their own background but won't have flings with them.

[a beer is enough]

None of this thread was meant to be about me, it was meant to be about the discussion. Maybe I come from a different world guys but what's wrong with wanting to have a discussion you can't really have in public?

Then I think I figured it out, the very content of this thread triggers men and digs deep like some of my past content has. In past years I have had to accept some harsh truths and learn how to work with them, it was not easy at first, it still isn't.

The last time I got a lot of shit was when I talked about bartending, nightlife, and pursuing it to meet women. It cut deep to some men because here we have guys who thought their fancy degrees and hours spent studying in college will eventually get them sex with hot girls. Typical thinking among the immigrants, traditional people, and others. I know it cut deep for me to know that but I accepted it and worked around it.

Now lets look at the content of this thread, it is not an easy discussion to have.

By nature, guys are competitive. I know how much it can cut deep with guys from more patriarchal cultures to know that some women from their background are only splitting their legs/one night stands for men from other races. Only when marriage and LTRs come are these women becoming nicer to men of their own background. It can be a tough truth to accept but the beauty of accepting the tough truths is once you accept them, you can find a strategy around them.

Maybe when that girl from your background has suddenly become more in touch with her roots and is going for you but not giving it up easily you realize what's going on. You start to realize the motives involved because you were able to discuss them instead of losing your shit whenever someone mentioned them.

Because I feel like strong men don't shoot messengers, they can accept these truths. They don't target the guy saying what he is saying and debate the point instead of attacking him. I'll probably get banned or attacked but let me ask the whole forum this, does it make the truth of the message itself go away?

[NoMoreTO]

Among a host of others I have seen:
- Black N American girls who only date white guys (because they say the brothas' can't be trusted)
- Black N American guys only dating non black women
- Colombian girls who only date gringos
- White guys who only date Asian girls

To me there is a difference between not dating your race because of cultural, moral problems, and not being attracted to your race. I feel like a lot of African American blacks are going this way. The men get attention from white women now, and their women are too difficult for the men.

I went to vegas a few years back with a buddy who has some serious Asian fever, I'll never forget pointing a hot white chick and he literally took no interest and said "I only like Asians". So weird coming from a Scottish looking guy with red hair.

To me if you come of age in a place (ex. small town white Canada like me) , you should always be attracted to white chicks. Even if moving to a city or another country expands your pussy horizons, its' odd when people totally disavow their own. I don't date Canadian chicks anymore, but its because I can't stand their personalities, and because they have giant medusa tattoos. White women are very naturally beautiful, but definitely losing it because of the fucked up culture.

[a beer is enough]

(02-14-2019 02:49 PM)thedarkknight Wrote:  

(02-14-2019 02:29 PM)Nater Wrote:  

(02-14-2019 12:03 AM)EndsExpect Wrote:  

I said this before. Some women do not like the culture they were raised into and want to marry out of it. There is a perception that if you marry a black guy he will be your personal 24 hour slave boy. That's why these relationships don't last when the girls are actively fetishizing the guys. For fucks sake the divorce rate alone is like 300% higher than normal.

Good points @Endsexpect.

Quick question for anyone; If a girl from background X has a good perception of guy with background Y. What led her to have that perception in the first place? Media, news, society? Also, when Girl X has a good perception of guy with background Y she needs to interact together in a similar environment. If I assume, they go out together for a few months and make love for the first time. Few months later, they separate. After the separation, it seems to me that girls from background X stick with their preference of dating guys from background Y over the years. Was that your experience from girls who you dated but refused to go for their own background? These girls seem to have an extensive knowledge about culture Y over the years, it’s not something they could have gathered from a fling. I wonder if a woman will always have this perception of a guy from background Y better than a guy from her own background?

As an educated, black male, who gets close to women from conservative, patriarchal cultures.

The women had several issues with men from their own culture:

1) Misogyny. They were pissed off that the men had carte blanche to bang white women, where they were scared to even look at a man from another background. They also mentioned personal stories of their men whopping a woman's ass, or even rape.

2) Feminists/independent women. These women were educated and earned their own money.

3) Poor relationships with mother. These non-white women seemed to love their fathers more than the mothers. Not expected but they seemed to resent their mothers and saw them as passive,weak and overly docile. They often described the mothers as abusive, hateful and jealous of their daughters.

4) Unathletic/higher body fat percentage men. The men from their cultures were not athletic/ripped, so they seemed objectified my lean muscle mass/body. Self-explanatory.

5) Men who are too serious/uptight. They really like men who can make them laugh and not be serious. If you have a playful personality, you will find their barriers melt quite easily.

This has been my experience...and I'm black, so a North/ Northern Western European, white male, who knows the above, will cause some serious damage.

TDK

You'd probably cause more damage as a black man due to the taboo and shock factor than a white guy would. A lot of these conservative cultures are happy to see their daughters go off with a white guy while it would take a rebellious attitude to get with a black guy. The masculinity factor leans in the favor of black guys as well, so these girls might go for a white guy in order to get that status boost but then still cheat on him with a masculine black guy, the same mentality as your typical YOLO liberal white girl.

It used to not be as common a while back but these days I do see a fair number of younger hot ethnic girls in the US going for black guys. You do have to wonder though, the amount of mental sickness that must be going on in that head of hers to see the world through this lens and people as merely pawns to be used. Even white friends I have had who have ended up with these kinds of women have regretted it and realized the mistake they made.

I am still under the belief, especially after recent experiences, that most top tier women either prefer their own race or are open to going for men of their own race. Even walking around in a world class city, despite what stereotypes say, most of the hottest Asian and Indian girls are with guys of their own background.

In other words, there is no free lunch, you have to be a quality guy to get a quality girl in most cases.