Is this a good idea? Ive been thinking of tracking how many numbers i convert to bangs as a metric for my progress(or lack of) but im afraid if im not having success it'll just be a reminder of how much i suck and it will discourage me from gaming. At the same time i want to have some sort of hard data to see if the late nights, spending money, and dealing with girls BS is even worth it. So far im 0/4 and I could easily see this going to 0/100, i dont know if my ego could take that lol.
Tracking bang vs number close ratio
Quote: (03-14-2019 06:01 PM)cruzinV Wrote:
Is this a good idea? Ive been thinking of tracking how many numbers i convert to bangs as a metric for my progress(or lack of) but im afraid if im not having success it'll just be a reminder of how much i suck and it will discourage me from gaming. At the same time i want to have some sort of hard data to see if the late nights, spending money, and dealing with girls BS is even worth it. So far im 0/4 and I could easily see this going to 0/100, i dont know if my ego could take that lol.
It sounds like you've answered your own question.
Gotta take your ego out of the equation.
That way you don't get discourage or a super inflated ego - you just see the hard numbers.
Figure out WHY you're losing out on these bangs/dates/closes.
Improvise, adapt, overcome.
Also you should be ENJOYING the chase and the hunt for new girls.
You can't let spreadsheets rule your life, you'll be miserable and obsessive, you have to find balance.
That way you don't get discourage or a super inflated ego - you just see the hard numbers.
Figure out WHY you're losing out on these bangs/dates/closes.
Improvise, adapt, overcome.
Also you should be ENJOYING the chase and the hunt for new girls.
You can't let spreadsheets rule your life, you'll be miserable and obsessive, you have to find balance.
Paul Janka author of How to get Laid in NYC and Attraction Formula was famous for tracking bangs with a spreadsheet .. A Harvard Grad and high end NYC tutor after a stint on Wall Street became an OG PUA after an appearance on Dr. Phil a decade ago... Bought both books... PM me for copies... His bang ratio was 11 for every 100 cold approaches with Day Game so only 11% so keep up approaches as it is truly a numbers game... He also discovered 0 bangs after dinner dates and perfected lounge cocktails game and venue bounce to his upper East side mini studio fwiw.
LOL this was my 3,000th RVF post and now I am a certified RVF IP ;-)
LOL this was my 3,000th RVF post and now I am a certified RVF IP ;-)
I know there are guys here that track all their approaches. They take notes on where, when, what were they dressing, what did they say, how hot the girl was etc.
Good for them but honestly I find this borderline autistic and I wouldn't have the discipline to continuously keep track as chasing skirts would feel like a job more than a hobby.
I do however have a rough idea of how many approaches I do when I am in game season, usually 2-3 per days.
I might go 5 days with no approaches and then do 10 in the same day but I try to keep the number at the end of the month around 60 to 100.
Then from there I draw my own metrics, e.g. if I bang 5 to 8 girls has been a good month, if over 8 girls amazing, if less than 5 bad etc. you get the idea.
This way I know if it has been a shitty month and can reflect on what did go wrong and why.
Good for them but honestly I find this borderline autistic and I wouldn't have the discipline to continuously keep track as chasing skirts would feel like a job more than a hobby.
I do however have a rough idea of how many approaches I do when I am in game season, usually 2-3 per days.
I might go 5 days with no approaches and then do 10 in the same day but I try to keep the number at the end of the month around 60 to 100.
Then from there I draw my own metrics, e.g. if I bang 5 to 8 girls has been a good month, if over 8 girls amazing, if less than 5 bad etc. you get the idea.
This way I know if it has been a shitty month and can reflect on what did go wrong and why.
The problem with this is that you're gonna need a large dataset to draw meaningful conclusions. By the time you reach a large enough dataset, you've most likely already improved so much that your data isn't an accurate representation anymore.
As an example, lets say you approach 100 girls and end up banging 1 of them. That's a 1% "conversion rate". Then, you approach 100 more girls and end up banging 5 of them, reaching a 5% rate. But taking the total sample of 200 girls and 6 bangs, you'd have a 3% conversion. So what is your actual conversion rate now?
What if you hit a lucky streak and bang the next 3 girls you approach? Are you gonna be like "WOW MY CONVERSION RATE JUST SKYROCKETED! I AM ELITE!"
My point is, I think it is good to keep track of your approaches, but stop focusing on hard numbers. Instead, write down how it went and analyze the good and bad parts. You can even start an approach log in the newbie section where members will give feedback if you're serious about it. Even the veterans on this forum hit bad streaks. It happens and its no big deal, just keep going and you'll be rewarded for your efforts.
As an example, lets say you approach 100 girls and end up banging 1 of them. That's a 1% "conversion rate". Then, you approach 100 more girls and end up banging 5 of them, reaching a 5% rate. But taking the total sample of 200 girls and 6 bangs, you'd have a 3% conversion. So what is your actual conversion rate now?
What if you hit a lucky streak and bang the next 3 girls you approach? Are you gonna be like "WOW MY CONVERSION RATE JUST SKYROCKETED! I AM ELITE!"
My point is, I think it is good to keep track of your approaches, but stop focusing on hard numbers. Instead, write down how it went and analyze the good and bad parts. You can even start an approach log in the newbie section where members will give feedback if you're serious about it. Even the veterans on this forum hit bad streaks. It happens and its no big deal, just keep going and you'll be rewarded for your efforts.
well im not talking about counting all approaches, only phone numbers. I think thats a better indicator since if she gives you her number than at least you know shes open to meeting someone or likely doesnt have a bf, etc.
If someone like paul janka only counted the phone numbers he was able to convert, than his percentage would be MUCH higher.
If someone like paul janka only counted the phone numbers he was able to convert, than his percentage would be MUCH higher.
Quote: (03-14-2019 11:06 PM)cruzinV Wrote:
well im not talking about counting all approaches, only phone numbers. I think thats a better indicator since if she gives you her number than at least you know shes open to meeting someone or likely doesnt have a bf, etc.
If someone like Paul Janka only counted the phone numbers he was able to convert, than his percentage would be MUCH higher.
LOL To avoid Conflict Modern Bishes are Notorious for giving out bogus Tel#s so screws that theory... My online game is to be honest about the lifestyle I can offer and then tell them to PM me their Text # if they want to meet F2F and then just text them time and place logistics to basic cocktail lounge, Venue bounce (4 or 5 Star Boston Pricline.com hotel deal) Hand them a Hotel Robe and tell them to freshen up in the shower...
Mix them a Cosmo or Screwdriver with Vending machine Juice and Vodka I bring - and when she is feeling sexy - bang, rinse and repeat. Two 3 Shot Cosmos - 2 Vodka and one Orange Triple Sec liqueur - usually does the trick...
Seduction is a process and if there is any unreasonable (P4P) LMR - end the date, hit next and eject them and stack the next plate on call in rotation. The more you complicate things the more they fail.
I don't get the point of tracking the results this deep. It's over analysis. Focus on making girls FEEL, having them react emotionally to you and them directing them to wanting to do what you want them to do.
It's like a team in sports gaining chemistry and gelling their play together. If you focus so much on the numbers you lose sight of the bigger picture. Which is playing the damn game at an elite level. When you do that, you win more often than not.
It's like a team in sports gaining chemistry and gelling their play together. If you focus so much on the numbers you lose sight of the bigger picture. Which is playing the damn game at an elite level. When you do that, you win more often than not.
Quote: (03-14-2019 06:01 PM)cruzinV Wrote:
Is this a good idea? Ive been thinking of tracking how many numbers i convert to bangs as a metric for my progress(or lack of) but im afraid if im not having success it'll just be a reminder of how much i suck and it will discourage me from gaming. At the same time i want to have some sort of hard data to see if the late nights, spending money, and dealing with girls BS is even worth it. So far im 0/4 and I could easily see this going to 0/100, i dont know if my ego could take that lol.
Go to any non western country and tell people this. They'll look at you like you're retarded. Hopefully one day you'll look back at the day you posted this and be embarrassed.
Tracking numbers, ratios, converting, metrics, hard data, what the fuck. This is the kind of juvenile crap that makes PUAs look like idiots. Why don't you just focus on finding quality girls and then having conversations with them like a normal person.
No, it's not useful to track any of this shit. After banging about 50 girls I started to lose count of how many I closed because it's a pointless metric. Why do you want to know how many girls you fucked, so you can brag to your guy friends about it? Tracking how many phone numbers you get is even more pointless.
This thread should be in the Newbie Forum.
This thread should be in the Newbie Forum.
LOL I look back upon my lifetime of female phocking escapades and the most memorable were the feminine 8s 9s and rare 10s... The rest is all a blur not worth activating any sperm cells over ... Some lads here lose focus on quality over sheer quantity.
Quote: (03-18-2019 06:39 AM)Vladimir Poontang Wrote:
Quote: (03-14-2019 06:01 PM)cruzinV Wrote:
Is this a good idea? Ive been thinking of tracking how many numbers i convert to bangs as a metric for my progress(or lack of) but im afraid if im not having success it'll just be a reminder of how much i suck and it will discourage me from gaming. At the same time i want to have some sort of hard data to see if the late nights, spending money, and dealing with girls BS is even worth it. So far im 0/4 and I could easily see this going to 0/100, i dont know if my ego could take that lol.
Go to any non western country and tell people this. They'll look at you like you're retarded. Hopefully one day you'll look back at the day you posted this and be embarrassed.
Tracking numbers, ratios, converting, metrics, hard data, what the fuck. This is the kind of juvenile crap that makes PUAs look like idiots. Why don't you just focus on finding quality girls and then having conversations with them like a normal person.
Well anytime you enter a new venture like game or business it's important to have a pre-determined "escape hatch" so you know when and if to give up. If I have to collect 50 phone numbers to get 1 lay, than game is not worth it, the opportunity cost is too great. I'm not gaming in a third world country where beers are 50 cents and cab rides are 2 dollars, I'm gaming in an expensive city where getting 1 phone number costs me $100 or more. Not to mention the hangovers, late nights, and time wasted. So to me tracking a metric is the only way I could know when to throw in the towel or (hopefully) keep going.
There's both valid arguments about keeping track or not... so really you gotta go with how you feel on this one. But most importantly... you gotta work on your inner Game!
It's understandable to be a newbie and have doubts... but you projecting of possibly going 0/ 100... is coming from a place of insecurity you absolutely must fix to Bang... cuz women can feel it... and are repelled by it!
It's understandable to be a newbie and have doubts... but you projecting of possibly going 0/ 100... is coming from a place of insecurity you absolutely must fix to Bang... cuz women can feel it... and are repelled by it!
Quote: (03-23-2019 06:02 PM)cruzinV Wrote:
Quote: (03-18-2019 06:39 AM)Vladimir Poontang Wrote:
Quote: (03-14-2019 06:01 PM)cruzinV Wrote:
Is this a good idea? Ive been thinking of tracking how many numbers i convert to bangs as a metric for my progress(or lack of) but im afraid if im not having success it'll just be a reminder of how much i suck and it will discourage me from gaming. At the same time i want to have some sort of hard data to see if the late nights, spending money, and dealing with girls BS is even worth it. So far im 0/4 and I could easily see this going to 0/100, i dont know if my ego could take that lol.
Go to any non western country and tell people this. They'll look at you like you're retarded. Hopefully one day you'll look back at the day you posted this and be embarrassed.
Tracking numbers, ratios, converting, metrics, hard data, what the fuck. This is the kind of juvenile crap that makes PUAs look like idiots. Why don't you just focus on finding quality girls and then having conversations with them like a normal person.
Well anytime you enter a new venture like game or business it's important to have a pre-determined "escape hatch" so you know when and if to give up. If I have to collect 50 phone numbers to get 1 lay, than game is not worth it, the opportunity cost is too great. I'm not gaming in a third world country where beers are 50 cents and cab rides are 2 dollars, I'm gaming in an expensive city where getting 1 phone number costs me $100 or more. Not to mention the hangovers, late nights, and time wasted. So to me tracking a metric is the only way I could know when to throw in the towel or (hopefully) keep going.
You don't have to go to any great length to know if something is worthwhile or not. You should instinctively be able to tell soon enough without having to think that much about it. Out of the 100 times that I banged my head against a wall, it hurt 100% of the time. I know this because I wrote it in my journal, and I made a chart. Come on man.
It's a complete waste of time phone numbers don't mean shit anymore. Only ratio if any worth tracking would be dates/bangs or kiss closes vs bangs.
I did keep a nerdy spreadsheet when I started out doing daygame and it helped me a lot. My conversion rate (lay vs number) was not that great though, 1/25 when I discountinued my records.
Since then, my conversion rate has improved, although I cannot give you a number anymore.
While tighter game is one factor for my improved conversion rate, the biggest contributor is that I simply don't ask every girl for her number any longer. With time, you get a feeling on whether or not she will flake on you, so I just don't bother asking if she is not receptive.
Since then, my conversion rate has improved, although I cannot give you a number anymore.
While tighter game is one factor for my improved conversion rate, the biggest contributor is that I simply don't ask every girl for her number any longer. With time, you get a feeling on whether or not she will flake on you, so I just don't bother asking if she is not receptive.
Good point, if you're perfectly calibrated your ratio should go up to 60-90% at least.
Don't do it. Make it simple.
If you don't get a date from a number, just ask yourself why?
If you don't get a bang from a date, ask yourself why?
If you don't get a date from a number, just ask yourself why?
If you don't get a bang from a date, ask yourself why?
Quote: (03-28-2019 07:03 PM)Drazen Wrote:
Don't do it. Make it simple.
If you don't get a date from a number, just ask yourself why?
If you don't get a bang from a date, ask yourself why?
Yes, otherwise all you'll be doing is collecting useless numerical information. You'll just be counting the number of times that you didn't get the desired result, which is of no use.
Just question what would be the benefit of doing so?
agree with other posters here, numbers don't mean shit, i get 5-6 numbers a week off tinder and maybe 3-4 a month from other sources, both girls and guys have so many leads now from online dating whats the point of harpering over why a girl didn't text u back when 90% it has nothing to do with u?
Even if your game is tighter then a fiddle 70% of numbers are not going to lead to a date thats just a given, its more of a numbers game now more then ever.
agree with other posters here, numbers don't mean shit, i get 5-6 numbers a week off tinder and maybe 3-4 a month from other sources, both girls and guys have so many leads now from online dating whats the point of harpering over why a girl didn't text u back when 90% it has nothing to do with u?
Even if your game is tighter then a fiddle 70% of numbers are not going to lead to a date thats just a given, its more of a numbers game now more then ever.
I have a spreadsheet (for dg only).
Not doing so, means you're not serious about the craft.
Perhaps, once you rich nirvana, then you can commit it to the flames.
Not doing so, is an avoidance strategy to forget and discount some don't kid yourself - all "nos" to make feel about yourself good and gemütlich cosy, instead of staring the hard reality straight into its unpleasant face. I believe most men discount most rejection to keep in their minds better subjective percentages, just like women don't count oral or anal sex as a "proper intercourse".
If you collect and collate the right data points, you can plot them, and the devil is often found in the details. You will learn what time, what countries, what cities, which locations, what kinds, what races are the "yes", or "maybe", or "no" girls for you. It will let you tweak your game so much faster. If you don't remember if you need to talk to 1 in 2 girls or 1 in 20 to get a date, then how can you pause and reconsider your actions to make improvements?
A happy go lucky approach will slow down your progress as you are swimming through the intuitive darkness. Interestingly, the guys voicing their opinion here want to be so "romantic" in discounting any quantitative analysis, yet fervently participate in a forum trying to systematise methodology, skills and strategies to become successful with women - a strange contradiction of intention and execution, isn't it?
A proper spreadsheet can be a goldmine of your personal data to mastery, worth all the hours you put the effort in - if you collect vague memories, I can guarantee you, your mind will involuntarily create biases and distortions to present it back to you quite differently than what truly has been happening over the course of a month or a year or more.
Admittedly, once, after thousands of interactions with women minxes, you will approach a performance ceiling and when the progress tapers off in spite of persistent drive to self-improve, and you truly flatline, then you can simply freewheel. Discarding statistical data is a waste on your time, resources and efforts. It's foolish, to say the least.
So yes, I have a spreadsheet, a detailed one.
P.S.
Here is Roywalker's post, a successful Krauser's wing with a detailed analysis of his performance. It not only lets him understand his daygame, producing an honest self-assessment and receiving feedback, it also shows the reality of daygame to a reader interested in data. Unsurprisingly, it shows an opposite to what most unscrupulous charlatans promise. Plus one, then, to spreadsheets.
Not doing so, means you're not serious about the craft.
Perhaps, once you rich nirvana, then you can commit it to the flames.
Not doing so, is an avoidance strategy to forget and discount some don't kid yourself - all "nos" to make feel about yourself good and gemütlich cosy, instead of staring the hard reality straight into its unpleasant face. I believe most men discount most rejection to keep in their minds better subjective percentages, just like women don't count oral or anal sex as a "proper intercourse".
If you collect and collate the right data points, you can plot them, and the devil is often found in the details. You will learn what time, what countries, what cities, which locations, what kinds, what races are the "yes", or "maybe", or "no" girls for you. It will let you tweak your game so much faster. If you don't remember if you need to talk to 1 in 2 girls or 1 in 20 to get a date, then how can you pause and reconsider your actions to make improvements?
A happy go lucky approach will slow down your progress as you are swimming through the intuitive darkness. Interestingly, the guys voicing their opinion here want to be so "romantic" in discounting any quantitative analysis, yet fervently participate in a forum trying to systematise methodology, skills and strategies to become successful with women - a strange contradiction of intention and execution, isn't it?
A proper spreadsheet can be a goldmine of your personal data to mastery, worth all the hours you put the effort in - if you collect vague memories, I can guarantee you, your mind will involuntarily create biases and distortions to present it back to you quite differently than what truly has been happening over the course of a month or a year or more.
Admittedly, once, after thousands of interactions with women minxes, you will approach a performance ceiling and when the progress tapers off in spite of persistent drive to self-improve, and you truly flatline, then you can simply freewheel. Discarding statistical data is a waste on your time, resources and efforts. It's foolish, to say the least.
So yes, I have a spreadsheet, a detailed one.
P.S.
Here is Roywalker's post, a successful Krauser's wing with a detailed analysis of his performance. It not only lets him understand his daygame, producing an honest self-assessment and receiving feedback, it also shows the reality of daygame to a reader interested in data. Unsurprisingly, it shows an opposite to what most unscrupulous charlatans promise. Plus one, then, to spreadsheets.
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