[Dr Mantis Toboggan]

(01-16-2019 02:01 AM)Waqqle Wrote:  

The only reason Singapore can exist the way it does is because, aside from the obvious fact that Malaysia and Indonesia simply allow it to exist, it happens to sit in the middle of one of the most vital shipping lanes on planet Earth (which means that it technically has no need of land transport and can charge fees to ships passing through), it is an island which makes it defensible, it has invested heavily in its military hardware (which could be the strongest and most efficient in all of SEA), it has invested heavily in its military personnel and in fact has mandatory conscription for all males and mandatory continuing drills for all formerly conscripted males until they reach retirement age (no US city has anything remotely comparable to any of this), and it is on very good terms with its neighbors, any one of which could, even with its superior military equipment and training, probably destroy it in a war simply by blockading it and cutting off the roads that go into Malaysia until it starves to the point that its soldiers are too weak and demotivated to put up a fight against a much larger neighbor like Malaysia, Indonesia, or Thailand that could just swarm it in its weakened state.

By comparison, the major coastal cities in the US are literally an ocean away from any other non-American (in the geographical sense to included all of the Americas) city and would not see maritime traffic by trade vessels from other countries the way that Singapore does if they were no longer attached to the vast wealth of the greater US. In fact, pretty much all of the major coastal cities exist primarily if not exclusively to function as gateways to the rest of the country and consumers of what it produces. If they should become severed from the rest of the country, they will just become stagnant backwaters thousands of miles away from any relevant global shipping lane and surrounded on all sides by resentful peasants until they eventually give up and join whatever state has been formed by the now-dominant rural and small town folk.

Another thing to consider is that virtually all US military bases, and certainly all of those which are important, are located outside of highly urban areas.

All of this being said, I still maintain that I don’t see Americans taking up arms and seriously going to war with each other en masse or military personnel turning their weapons on fellow countrymen. I just don’t think Americans have the stomach for that sort of thing (having been in the military, I can say that I don’t think I met another soldier who would turn their weapon on other Americans either unless the world were truly ending - most of us enlisted because we wanted to do good things, get paid, and get the GI Bill; we didn’t sign up for civil war “you have been orders by the capital to subdue the districts” Hunger Games crap) and the ones who might are mostly NRA members, religious conservatives, veterans, and other similar people who would probably already be organized to engage and neutralize any ISIS or Bolshevik-type threat that might emerge long before it actually manages to. The US also doesn’t have a history, environment, or, in most places at least, culture which would be conducive to such a violent group taking over any significant amount of territory for any period of time longer than 8 minutes.

As I said in my first post in this thread, I see any hypothetical future breakup scenario being conducted in a mostly civil and peaceful way and I only see such a thing happening if and when the currency is no longer viable and/or the government is no longer able to provide benefits and salaries to all of the people who currently receive them. At this time, over 35% of Americans are on welfare as I previously mentioned and there are more who are on other forms of government assistance. Add to all of this the number of people employed in the public sector on the federal level and you probably have around half of the population receiving and, in many if not most cases, relying for their livelihood on some form of money from the government. If anything causes a collapse and a mass movement by people toward anything that gets them off their fat asses and away from their screens, it will most likely be loss of government benefits and a collapse of the currency making their salaries and benefits worth progressively less as they continue to receive the same number of dollars each period but those dollars rapidly decline in value until they just stop receiving anything, at which point questions will require answers.

Excellent post. With Singapore I'd also add though that a) their most valuable card to play in terms of defense against Indonesia and Malaysia is actually their security alliance with the US (which serves our interest due to their strategic location), and b) they didn't spend the previous several decades prior to independence trying to dictate to the rest of Malaysia how to live, so you didn't get the animosity built up that you have now between the rural parts of the US and NYC, SF, etc.

Could that sort of arrangement work in the US? Maybe. Our Constitution was written in such a way to promote local/state governance and in effect prevent large cities from dominating the political landscape but now that we've largely ditched federalism that doesn't seem to be working any more. Maybe allowing SF/Silicon Valley and maybe NYC to secede as independent city states would create a more rigid barrier that would help right the ship.

[Deepdiver]

(01-15-2019 11:47 PM)The Black Knight Wrote:  

The real divide in the USA, demonstrated by voting history, is urban vs non-urban communities and culture. Only a few states have a overwhelming dominant voting block/culture at the state-level and could potentially break off on their own.

One possibility I could see is liberal USA cities breaking off, in some fashion, to form the United Cities of America.

This is the voting margins by county level for the 2016 Trump/Hillary election. Notice where the big tall blue bars are? (meaning big wins for Hillary)



A few other notes:

1. Major liberal cities are already pissing in the face of the federal government with their sanctuary laws and protection/coddling of foreign invaders. A few arrests of elected city officials by a conservative US president could set off a conflict that leads to cities leaving.

2. Some liberal cities have enormous international economic power. For now, at least. Together, their GDP output would be huge.

LA = Hollywood.
Seattle = Amazon/Microsoft.
SF Bay Area = <too many to list>
New York = Finance + <many>
Boston = Medical, academic, tech.

Economically, we are not talking about Bumfuck County breaking off. We are talking about places that alone could function as their own city-states. Together, they would be just more powerful. And for many liberal people if an alliance existed, their lifestyle would hardly change since many of these people just bounce from one major liberal city to the next looking for "culture."

3. Singapore is pioneering (because their survival depends on it) a lot of city-sustainability technology and practices that could overcome much of the losses associated with access to non-city resources; food production being a big one.

4. If not an alliance of cities right away, I think a more likely scenario is the LA-SF corridor breaking off and becoming an independent nation. They have enough money floating around, favorable demographics, favorable land resources, and arrogance to pull it off if they really wanted to do it. As I alluded to before, all it would take I think is for Trump to go arrest the mayors/AG's of SF and LA and that would get the ball rolling on secession being a legit option for many in that region. Remember, Trump is literal Hitler to them and now he is arresting their leaders. That could light the fuse real quick.

It would be for the best since states like Texas (along with other at-risk states) could put a quota on foreign nationals from the new LA/SF state. And therefore, stop the liberal migration from ruining the rest of the USA. I can only dream this comes true one day before it's too late for the rest of the USA.

During Gulf war one the media wossies were frantically asking General Stormin Norman Schwarzkopf (German American Patriot) how he planned to deal with the battle-hardened Elite Iraqi National Guard who did many years of battle to the death with the Iranians - especially against a US Army that had not won a war since WWII.

Clearly irritated by the Media Chicken Little Hawks - the General scoffed I don't care how battle-hardened they are you cut off their food and water supplies in the desert they will be surrendering en masse in a week - which was the case with many in US university sweatshirts asking what took us so long as they were starving and dying of thirst in only one week

The big blue cities have all done us the Red Patriot Zone citizens a huge favor by concentrating the Naked Communists, the gimmegrant Marxist Socialists Deviants and Social Rump Riding Ass Blaster Degenerates in highly concentrated blue urban areas with localized license plates (targets) and highly restrictive gun ownership laws (Boston, Chicago and NYC).

Furthermore, most of these major Coastal Cities surrounded by brine undrinkable salt water on both coasts and depend upon freshwater supplies being delivered by huge modern deep underground or above ground aqueducts pumped by electricity grids supplied by where - You guessed it the Red Patriots Zones - the liberal degenerates try to break away the Red Zone Patriots will:

1. Post National Guard at the States borders to control all traffic jamming it up at state Border Choke Points during any Civil/Social Emergency.

2. Cut off all electricity and utilities (Gas, Interwebs, Cell phones) most battery backup, solar and Diesel Backup will run out of fuel or become sporadic after one week.

3. Turn off the Aqueducts - yes - turn off the water supplies...

4. Citizen Patriot Militia will band together and pick off YES SHOOT any Blue Urban ghetto raiders (BLMs, Antifas, ISIS) trying to rob or otherwise cause mayhem in the Red Patriots Zones.

The blue Urban Cities will be brought to their knees and volunteer for reverse convoys to contracted Chinese Red Army Contractor Controlled FEMA funded reeducation camps in Latin America ironically voluntarily deporting the 20 to 30 million illegal aliens beyond and outside of the US Borders.

There will be Marshall law for 2 to 3 months then the Patriots will take back control and the USA (many military tribunals to cull out remaining traitor cells) will be greater than ever.

The Urban Globalists FED will be shut down and all Debt Based Urban blue Hebrew Debt financing networks wiped out and replaced with Abraham Lincoln US Treasury style Greenbacks and the USA will revert back to healthy savings driven versus perpetual debt backed economy.

LOL few, if any SJW Urban Marxist Socialist deviant degenerate rump riding butt blasters have any concept of the tactical and strategic arts therefore any secession, would be over before it got started and if things really got bad look at Hiroshima and Nagasaki today... You guessed it again most of our nukes are in the Red Patriots zones.

The Blue Urban Deviant Degenerates really need to be careful what they wish for.

[TIOT12]

(01-16-2019 02:01 AM)Waqqle Wrote:  

@TIOT12: I did see One Second After in Amazon when I was looking for post-apocalyptic and dystopian fiction titles to get inspiration from. The plot summary I read of it seems interesting. Have you read it and would you recommend it?

Yes, I have read all three of his books in that series. I won't say he is a great writer or this is great literature but it is an entertaining and easy read. And what is most interesting is the subject matter as to what could happen in the event of an EMP explosion over the US. It details how society would fall apart and try to rebuild itself and gives several different scenarios of how various groups deal with the crisis. So it gets you thinking about what would you do if this same event happened. He also seems to have some knowledge about prepping and so on and you can find some talks he gives on the internet. Here, is one example:

[Waqqle]

(01-16-2019 07:36 PM)TIOT12 Wrote:  

Yes, I have read all three of his books in that series. I won't say he is a great writer or this is great literature but it is an entertaining and easy read. And what is most interesting is the subject matter as to what could happen in the event of an EMP explosion over the US. It details how society would fall apart and try to rebuild itself and gives several different scenarios of how various groups deal with the crisis. So it gets you thinking about what would you do if this same event happened. He also seems to have some knowledge about prepping and so on and you can find some talks he gives on the internet. Here, is one example:

That sounds pretty interesting. I've got it on my reading list now. Dystopian and apocalyptic/post-apocalyptic fiction tends to be one of my favorite genres if not my favorite. Alternate history can be pretty great too.

I think that, if I were going to be stationary in one place for a long time, prepping would also be a good hobby to get into. I don't think those guys are crazy at all. I think that, if nothing else, it's a fun thing to do with your friends even if nothing ever happens.

[DJ-Matt]

(01-16-2019 05:33 PM)Deepdiver Wrote:  

Furthermore, most of these major Coastal Cities surrounded by brine undrinkable salt water on both coasts and depend upon freshwater supplies being delivered by huge modern deep underground or above ground aqueducts pumped by electricity grids supplied by where - You guessed it the Red Patriots Zones - the liberal degenerates try to break away the Red Zone Patriots will:

1. Post National Guard at the States borders to control all traffic jamming it up at state Border Choke Points during any Civil/Social Emergency.

2. Cut off all electricity and utilities (Gas, Interwebs, Cell phones) most battery backup, solar and Diesel Backup will run out of fuel or become sporadic after one week.

3. Turn off the Aqueducts - yes - turn off the water supplies...

4. Citizen Patriot Militia will band together and pick off YES SHOOT any Blue Urban ghetto raiders (BLMs, Antifas, ISIS) trying to rob or otherwise cause mayhem in the Red Patriots Zones.

The blue Urban Cities will be brought to their knees and volunteer for reverse convoys to contracted Chinese Red Army Contractor Controlled FEMA funded reeducation camps in Latin America ironically voluntarily deporting the 20 to 30 million illegal aliens beyond and outside of the US Borders.

There will be Marshall law for 2 to 3 months then the Patriots will take back control and the USA (many military tribunals to cull out remaining traitor cells) will be greater than ever.

The Urban Globalists FED will be shut down and all Debt Based Urban blue Hebrew Debt financing networks wiped out and replaced with Abraham Lincoln US Treasury style Greenbacks and the USA will revert back to healthy savings driven versus perpetual debt backed economy.

LOL few, if any SJW Urban Marxist Socialist deviant degenerate rump riding butt blasters have any concept of the tactical and strategic arts therefore any secession, would be over before it got started and if things really got bad look at Hiroshima and Nagasaki today... You guessed it again most of our nukes are in the Red Patriots zones.

The Blue Urban Deviant Degenerates really need to be careful what they wish for.

[Cr33pin]

Yes it will happen in two weeks.....
I'm breaking up with America and moving to South America

[heavy]

(01-16-2019 05:33 PM)Deepdiver Wrote:  

...
4. Citizen Patriot Militia will band together and pick off YES SHOOT any Blue Urban ghetto raiders (BLMs, Antifas, ISIS) trying to rob or otherwise cause mayhem in the Red Patriots Zones.
...

Or just post some Korean shop owners on nearby rooftops a la the L.A. riots

[SamuelBRoberts]

Consider that the government is now shut down for the longest period in its history over a tiny expenditure.
The two sides aren't even talking to each other, and are reduced to canceling each other's speeches and trips.

This is stretching on with no end in sight, and there's tremendous pressure on both sides by their supporters not to give in, with zero pressure for either side to work together.

Is this situation going to get better or worse over the next 20 years?

[kosko]

(01-17-2019 06:05 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

Consider that the government is now shut down for the longest period in its history over a tiny expenditure.
The two sides aren't even talking to each other, and are reduced to canceling each other's speeches and trips.

This is stretching on with no end in sight, and there's tremendous pressure on both sides by their supporters not to give in, with zero pressure for either side to work together.

Is this situation going to get better or worse over the next 20 years?

A third party may come into fruition to create a small wedge in the House. It will like come from the bleeding of the Democrats where the mushy middle defects away and leaves the corporate WS Democrats and the rabid extreme Lefties to fight for the scraps.

[The Beast1]

(01-18-2019 01:18 PM)kosko Wrote:  

(01-17-2019 06:05 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

Consider that the government is now shut down for the longest period in its history over a tiny expenditure.
The two sides aren't even talking to each other, and are reduced to canceling each other's speeches and trips.

This is stretching on with no end in sight, and there's tremendous pressure on both sides by their supporters not to give in, with zero pressure for either side to work together.

Is this situation going to get better or worse over the next 20 years?

A third party may come into fruition to create a small wedge in the House. It will like come from the bleeding of the Democrats where the mushy middle defects away and leaves the corporate WS Democrats and the rabid extreme Lefties to fight for the scraps.

I actually see this happening more and more.

The democrats are really a weak coalition of gays, muslims, soyboys, champagne wall street socialists, african americans, hispanics, and other malcontents.

I can see a far left breakaway faction lead by AOC or some clone splitting the Democrats in two. We'll see some sort of centrist "globalist" platform that may be willing to compromise on certain things with the Republicans.

While the the communist hard left will just continue on their rant of, "eliminate ICE, free healthcare, college debt forgiveness" and other typical communist fantasies.

Such a split would bankrupt the Democratic elite. Pelosi, Schumer, Clinton, and the like would really be SOL at that point without their minority hoards.

While i'm all about divide and conquer, this is one of those short term things that could really blow up poorly in the long run. Similarly to the German Empire letting Stalin through into Russia.

[durangotang]

(01-17-2019 06:05 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

Consider that the government is now shut down for the longest period in its history over a tiny expenditure.
The two sides aren't even talking to each other, and are reduced to canceling each other's speeches and trips.

This is stretching on with no end in sight, and there's tremendous pressure on both sides by their supporters not to give in, with zero pressure for either side to work together.

Is this situation going to get better or worse over the next 20 years?

That is because the right still believes in political change, and in theory holds power in government. I say “in theory” because the demographics are such that doing the only thing that would save the country, and that is mass deportations of tens of millions of people, is so difficult that the easy thing to do is side with the establishment globalist political forces and accept the “inevitable” demographic future. That’s why most Republicans are cucks on this issue. The reality is that we have one man in the executive branch of government doing all this against the will even of his fake opposition (Republican) party. What will happen when Texas or Florida permanently go blue - which will happen over the next decade?

The model to study is California, which used to be Republican. As long as the white working class can leave, and I predict we will see this in the 2030s, then they will do so unendingly. The wealthy will remain behind in gated communities in luxury. The borders will remain open and they will more than be replaced with steady streams of 3rd worlders as the middle class is squeezed for to support socialist policies. The first time Republicans are confronted with their fate will be 2028-2032 when the third consecutive democrat presidential term begins (and the pendulum no longer swings back). At that point many baby boomers will be dead and whites will be somewhere around 1/3 of new births or less as we are already under 50% of new births and have been since 2012.

Politically correct socialists will take the reigns of power in the Democratic Party in the 2030s and will begin to enact their policies. At some point, it may be deemed illegal for racist whites to take their “ill gotten gains of racial exploitation” and leave the country. You definitely do not want to be late to the party on this one. There could be capital controls or travel restrictions imposed. There was an uptick in this sort of thing on a tiny scale over the past couple of years after the financial crisis, and those unpatriotic Americans seeking to live overseas had awful laws increasing the penalties for reporting requirements of offshore bank accounts, an exit tax imposed, and you can no longer get a passport if you owe the IRS. The Obama administration threatened to restrict capital to Swiss banks from the US if they refused to hand over lists of US citizen account holders, causing the oldest Swiss bank to go bust, and thus ending Swiss banking secrecy. It’s difficult for an American to go into a foreign bank and get an account now due to IRS reporting requirements. That was after the 2008 financial crises. Can you imagine when millions of unpatriotic racists are trying to leave a far left government?

If people are too poor after a currency crisis in the dollar for example, or can’t leave due to logistical or family reasons, or there are travel or capital controls imposed, the the model shifts from California to a separatist movement within a federal Republic - so something like the Basque Country or Catalan in Spain. In which case you will likely have wealthy pockets of solid ethnic (still white majority) who feel economically abused by the federal government and wish to separate. What areas of the country will satisfy those requirements in 20 years? Perhaps New England? Idaho? Everywhere else will have either a solid black, Latino, or Asian population. Can you see a terrorist bombing campaign being carried out in Vermont, who now get to live in their socialist utopia? The reality is that agricultural parts of the country rely on federal subsidies to survive in a tough business as they are too vulnerable to weather, and in most of those states conservative whites will merely be part of a plurality.

In any case, even if a region wanted to secede, that question was answered in the civil war. The disparity of force between a kid with an AR-15 and a predator drone and persistent satellite network and 24/7 digital surveillance is a joke. What about when cash is banned and a traceable crypto ledger is implemented? The reality is, a slow increase of gun control laws will be implemented and 99% of people will register, and slow confiscation will take place. Even if abruptly, we see from similar populations in England and Australia that 99% of people will disarm. Law enforcement can slowly SWAT the rest of those guys. If you think this will never be allowed to happen in the Supreme Court, don’t count on it. Every pick from the moment Trump leaves office will be fat left. A well regulated militia will be interpreted to be the National Guard.

[Leonard D Neubache]

(01-16-2019 05:33 PM)Deepdiver Wrote:  

...
The big blue cities have all done us the Red Patriot Zone citizens a huge favor by concentrating the Naked Communists, the gimmegrant Marxist Socialists Deviants and Social Rump Riding Ass Blaster Degenerates in highly concentrated blue urban areas with localized license plates (targets) and highly restrictive gun ownership laws (Boston, Chicago and NYC).

Furthermore, most of these major Coastal Cities surrounded by brine undrinkable salt water on both coasts and depend upon freshwater supplies being delivered by huge modern deep underground or above ground aqueducts pumped by electricity grids supplied by where - You guessed it the Red Patriots Zones - the liberal degenerates try to break away the Red Zone Patriots will:

1. Post National Guard at the States borders to control all traffic jamming it up at state Border Choke Points during any Civil/Social Emergency.

2. Cut off all electricity and utilities (Gas, Interwebs, Cell phones) most battery backup, solar and Diesel Backup will run out of fuel or become sporadic after one week.

3. Turn off the Aqueducts - yes - turn off the water supplies...

4. Citizen Patriot Militia will band together and pick off YES SHOOT any Blue Urban ghetto raiders (BLMs, Antifas, ISIS) trying to rob or otherwise cause mayhem in the Red Patriots Zones.

The blue Urban Cities will be brought to their knees and volunteer for reverse convoys to contracted Chinese Red Army Contractor Controlled FEMA funded reeducation camps in Latin America ironically voluntarily deporting the 20 to 30 million illegal aliens beyond and outside of the US Borders.

There will be Marshall law for 2 to 3 months then the Patriots will take back control and the USA (many military tribunals to cull out remaining traitor cells) will be greater than ever.

The Urban Globalists FED will be shut down and all Debt Based Urban blue Hebrew Debt financing networks wiped out and replaced with Abraham Lincoln US Treasury style Greenbacks and the USA will revert back to healthy savings driven versus perpetual debt backed economy.

LOL few, if any SJW Urban Marxist Socialist deviant degenerate rump riding butt blasters have any concept of the tactical and strategic arts therefore any secession, would be over before it got started and if things really got bad look at Hiroshima and Nagasaki today... You guessed it again most of our nukes are in the Red Patriots zones.

The Blue Urban Deviant Degenerates really need to be careful what they wish for.

There is no basis by which to suggest Blue America would be the rebels.

They were getting their way at 100mph until 2016 and now they're only getting their way at 50mph. They're still getting their way. By 2024 you will never see another Republican in the Presidency. Ever. If the demographics don't lock that in then the sheer, brazen corruption will.

No state or states will attempt secession and the only ones rebelling against the Federal Government of the US will be individual Red District Americans. I'm optimistic that such rebellion will eventually be enough to collapse the Federal Apparatus and when it's weak enough some majority white states will finally secede then but you're fantasizing if you think Blue America is going to attempt to flip the table when they're still winning on almost every meaningful front.

[The Black Knight]

Waggle and Deepdiver:

The primary argument you both make essentially is that liberal cities can't survive without non-city help and the non-city folks will cut off access to essential resources to get control or maintain leverage.

This is a possibility in any hypothetical scenario where rapid unplanned secession occurs. However, here are some other possibilities; almost all realistic on a somewhat slower time scale:

1. Red State America decides to make a trade deal with Libtard America.

2. Libtard America uses its enormous engineering/technical talent base to overcome certain hurdles.

---Farming? Automated. This is happening already.

---Water? Desalination powered by renewables.

---Food? Liberal city-state becomes Liberal City-Region; meaning they claim suburbs/ex-burbs for resources. Furthermore, non-traditional farming food tech is a huge growth field right now that is rapidly evolving. Look up cultured meat or lab grown meat (gross, I know) just for starters to get an idea where things are heading.

---Cut off the internet connected by cables? Launch satellites. I'm sure Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos will be happy to supply the rockets.

3. Red State America decides to rebel violently one day; sabotaging critical infrastructure/resources while armed to the teeth with assault rifles? Checkmate, right? Wrong.

Instead, Libtard America hacks our tech and shuts down everything. Or they drone strike us into oblivion.

Keep in mind this important fact: Libtard America is filled with faggots and soyboys who couldn't last a minute in conventional trench warfare but they do have murderous violent thoughts (see: recent Covington Catholic deal) against MAGA people, especially white males, and they clearly have no fear already of pressing a few buttons on a computer screen to hurt people. Today, it's via Twitter. Tomorrow (as their own nation-state and can now up the ante in attack options), it's via hacking to shut down essential services like electricity and water or stealing your cryptocurrency. The next day, it's micro-drone bombs that target you via facial recognition the moment you set foot outside. I'm sure Facebook will be happy to lend a picture of your face and identity details to "fight against the Heritage America Nazi threat."

Whether under peaceful circumstances or not, I wouldn't underestimate the leverage of a Libtard City-State Confederation/Union.

[vanishing_point]

End of the day, most Americans regardless of where they fall on the political spectrum are simply too hypnotized by a combination of cheap food, college football, miller lite, and the idiot box to really do anything besides complain on social media.

[Dr Mantis Toboggan]

(01-22-2019 12:24 AM)The Black Knight Wrote:  

Waggle and Deepdiver:

The primary argument you both make essentially is that liberal cities can't survive without non-city help and the non-city folks will cut off access to essential resources to get control or maintain leverage.

This is a possibility in any hypothetical scenario where rapid unplanned secession occurs. However, here are some other possibilities; almost all realistic on a somewhat slower time scale:

1. Red State America decides to make a trade deal with Libtard America.

2. Libtard America uses its enormous engineering/technical talent base to overcome certain hurdles.

---Farming? Automated. This is happening already.

---Water? Desalination powered by renewables.

---Food? Liberal city-state becomes Liberal City-Region; meaning they claim suburbs/ex-burbs for resources. Furthermore, non-traditional farming food tech is a huge growth field right now that is rapidly evolving. Look up cultured meat or lab grown meat (gross, I know) just for starters to get an idea where things are heading.

---Cut off the internet connected by cables? Launch satellites. I'm sure Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos will be happy to supply the rockets.

3. Red State America decides to rebel violently one day; sabotaging critical infrastructure/resources while armed to the teeth with assault rifles? Checkmate, right? Wrong.

Instead, Libtard America hacks our tech and shuts down everything. Or they drone strike us into oblivion.

Keep in mind this important fact: Libtard America is filled with faggots and soyboys who couldn't last a minute in conventional trench warfare but they do have murderous violent thoughts (see: recent Covington Catholic deal) against MAGA people, especially white males, and they clearly have no fear already of pressing a few buttons on a computer screen to hurt people. Today, it's via Twitter. Tomorrow (as their own nation-state and can now up the ante in attack options), it's via hacking to shut down essential services like electricity and water or stealing your cryptocurrency. The next day, it's micro-drone bombs that target you via facial recognition the moment you set foot outside. I'm sure Facebook will be happy to lend a picture of your face and identity details to "fight against the Heritage America Nazi threat."

Whether under peaceful circumstances or not, I wouldn't underestimate the leverage of a Libtard City-State Confederation/Union.

Well, for one thing #1 isn't a negative outcome. A trade deal/treaty (our food for their tech and we stay out of one another's internal business, to overly simplify things) would be the ideal.

The other thing is, they simply don't have the land to grow their own food--especially if the red parts of California and a few other states like Washington, Oregon, and Illinois join the red states.

There's a good series of alternative history books on this topic by Kurt Schlichter, who is a conservative commentator and former US Army officer. They're set in the 2020s and 30s and deal with the aftermath of a split US. First one chronology wise (was actually written second as a prequel) is called Indian Country and is set in southern Indiana shortly after the split as locals wage an insurgency against an increasingly authoritarian blue government (Indiana was forced to stay with the blue states in the story to preserve their geographical integrity). Highly recommend--the main character is sort of a Scott Harvath/Mitch Rapp type but it's set in this political alternative future. Schlichter also has some non-fiction stuff that's worth checking out.

[Waqqle]

I still do not see the members of the US military turning their weapons on civilians en masse within the next few decades because I still think that Americans as a whole are too soft for apocalypse-level violence on a continental scale. However I also do not see Americans, military or civilian, standing up to resist creeping tyranny as, in addition to being soft, I think that the American populace, in general, is also too lazy and apathetic to do anything like that at this point in any numbers that would be significant enough to make a difference.

I could see something like a slow creep ended abruptly by a sudden cessation of travel privileges for citizens, most probably under the premise that they still owe taxes or have not yet rendered some mandatory public service. It is already the case that an American can have their passport deactivated if they are found to owe more than $50k to the IRS (even if this is the result of an accounting error on part of the IRS) and that any American who wishes to renounce their US citizenship must go through a long and tedious process involving various fines and submission of documentation showing that they do not owe anything to the IRS.

From where things are now, it would not be a huge step for the Imperial See to mandate something like a rule that any citizens currently under investigation by the FBI, NSA, or a trusted private consultant like the Southern Poverty Law Center be barred from all foreign and inter-state travel until such time that they are deemed to not be a threat. I could see such a thing further exacerbating regional tensions and hastening the empires journey toward a regrettable but, it seems now, inevitable fragmentation and dissolution.

[eradicator]

Here is one possible scenario. We elect the biggest liberal cuck imaginable, think Justin Trudeau but even cuckier, maybe a woman or transgender president. Red states attempt civil war part 2 but the cuck in chief refuses to fight back and says “sure you can go”.

Under White v Texas, the Supreme Court ruled that states can leave the union through a successful revolution or with consent from the states. I don’t think a revolution would happen, but if we get enough cucks in office, they may just let the south and other red states secede.

I could totally see this happening. Then people who are sick of the leftist nonsense move to a red state. It doesn’t seem that far fetched honestly, and would it be so bad?

[Waqqle]

(01-22-2019 02:43 PM)eradicator Wrote:  

Here is one possible scenario. We elect the biggest liberal cuck imaginable, think Justin Trudeau but even cuckier, maybe a woman or transgender president. Red states attempt civil war part 2 but the cuck in chief refuses to fight back and says “sure you can go”.

Under White v Texas, the Supreme Court ruled that states can leave the union through a successful revolution or with consent from the states. I don’t think a revolution would happen, but if we get enough cucks in office, they may just let the south and other red states secede.

I could totally see this happening. Then people who are sick of the leftist nonsense move to a red state. It doesn’t seem that far fetched honestly, and would it be so bad?

Cuckier than Trudeau? Such a thing is possible?

Unfortunately, I do not see leftists ever relinquishing control over any territory unless they are physically forced to and/or it is made too costly (financially, socially, etc.) for them to maintain that control. Like how Spain will never just allow Catalonia to break away because the benefits of controlling it outweigh, at least for those in power, the costs of subduing it. The same can be said of the EU's refusal to relinquish control over the UK. Benefit > Cost

Leftists also cannot allow any territory to break away from their empire because their ideology is based on universalism and to accept secession would be to admit that some group of people exists that their universalist creed does not apply to and who are better off without it. To permit the true independence of any territory currently under their rule would be to lose face, show weakness, and open themselves to attack from within by all the others who want what they just saw Texas get as well as from without by all of the ambitious outside powers who will now see their opening.

It may seem that I am ascribing to the Left a cunning which does not become them but remember that the Left is dominated and captained by women and this is the seditious and treacherous way in which women operate. The only males who are running anything on the Left are the ruling class psychopaths who are just living Machiavelli and behaving the same way they would if they were ruling over the Right, but they would not do that as it is easier to rule and profit from ruling an empire as opposed to a confederacy of small independent nation states who respect each others identity and autonomy.

[Lunostrelki]

(01-22-2019 12:24 AM)The Black Knight Wrote:  

Keep in mind this important fact: Libtard America is filled with faggots and soyboys who couldn't last a minute in conventional trench warfare but they do have murderous violent thoughts (see: recent Covington Catholic deal) against MAGA people, especially white males, and they clearly have no fear already of pressing a few buttons on a computer screen to hurt people. Today, it's via Twitter. Tomorrow (as their own nation-state and can now up the ante in attack options), it's via hacking to shut down essential services like electricity and water or stealing your cryptocurrency. The next day, it's micro-drone bombs that target you via facial recognition the moment you set foot outside. I'm sure Facebook will be happy to lend a picture of your face and identity details to "fight against the Heritage America Nazi threat."

Whether under peaceful circumstances or not, I wouldn't underestimate the leverage of a Libtard City-State Confederation/Union.

Sometimes the will to fight can be a game-changer. Deep down, diehard leftists are possessed by a dark core of unadulterated hate that justifies ANY means to destroy "the enemy."

100 years ago in Russia, this is how the Bolsheviks got into power. Originally, the Russian left-wingers just wanted the Tsar out because he presided over too many embarrassing defeats. At first, liberal and conservative factions of society vied for political and military power. Initially the conservative Russian patriots and generals had the advantage. But they didn't see that within the ranks of the socialist revolutionaries and assorted reds, there was the Bolshevik Party that ignored every existing standard of law and morality in its quest for more power.

The Bolsheviks were often hated and opposed by their fellow leftists, but they got things done and just as importantly knew how to take and hold initiative. They weren't patriots, so they had no qualms whatsoever about slaughtering fellow Russians if it gained them a political advantage. At its core, Marxism is an ideology of nothing but hate and the weaponization of hate. The Bolsheviks implemented Marxist materialism in its most pure form: by reducing everything and everyone to a function of power relations. They destroyed Russian democracy, they seized the military industry and the big cities, and completely disregarded the lives of both their comrades and their enemies. In fact, the majority of leftists (i.e. Mensheviks, socialist revolutionaries, anarchists) were enemies of the Bolshevik Party at some point.

Atrocities committed by the Bolsheviks were truly unprecedented in the modern era. The Cheka rounded up tens of thousands of well-to-do people and forced them to strip before lining them up and shooting them in the streets. They would capture guys from the opposition, tell their wives that they could get their husbands out if they let themselves be raped, and then shot them anyway. If you look up pictures you can see that the Bolsheviks in particular were not beyond any kind of torture.

The idea that the Russian Civil War was a primarily Red-White conflict is just Bolshevik propaganda. The biggest enemy of the Bolsheviks were the Russian people, who starved in large numbers. The next biggest enemy was the Left-wing opposition (Lenin called them "infantile"), who were killed and tortured in large numbers. The third biggest threat were the White Generals who largely fought by the old rules (i.e. on the assumption that the enemy weren't crazy axe-murderers) and were quickly marginalized.

Communist propaganda had been infecting Russia for decades, since the 1870s at least. That means that by 1920, when the Leninists took over Russia, it'd taken 50 years of slow infection before the condition became acute.

The American Left is doing the exact same thing today. Like the Russian Left, they share the same broad utopian fantasy, while a small and well-equipped elite among them, like the Russian Bolsheviks, is so deep into the political cult that they are willing to throw away all moral standards to fulfill their hate-filled ambitions.

George Orwell said: "the greater the understanding, the greater the delusion; the more intelligent, the less sane." This describes the ideological core of the modern Left, as it did the Bolsheviks.

When the time comes, the American Left wouldn't care about starving people in California, New York, or Washington. They'd ignore it and instead use the crisis as an excuse to impose more totalitarian shackles on those under their dystopian control, and expand it to the rural areas. Kill the "landlords" and "rich peasants" (in America it will rather be "racist hillbillies") using the cruelest means possible, and force the survivors (plenty of Latinos in rural areas most of whom have no loyalty to America, as well as drugged-up trailer trash) to pledge fealty for being "liberated." Use this as propaganda to get ready for the next round of genocide on the Long March through Flyover country.

Remember: When Lenin heard that millions of Russians were dying in the Povolzhye famine in the civil war, he was pleased because the famine would destroy faith in the Tsar and God. When Mao Zedong commented on the Japanese invasion of China, he said it was a good thing because otherwise it would have been impossible to overcome the Nationalist Chinese government.

The US Left has had 60 years to inculcate several generations of educated youth with its cult, in effect getting them ready for Bolshevik class struggle.

One could say that America is in nowhere as bad a situation as Russia was back in 1917 after it lost WWI. But that might not matter. Half the country has been brainwashed to hate our own legally elected President simply for who he is. Antifa patrol the streets in some areas and are effectively backed by local officials. Fake news, fake politics, fake history, fake academia, you name it are all driven by the Left. Not just because they believe in that version of reality (they truly do, due to doublethink), but because it helps them build a worldview to justify atrocities. There are major ethnic divides, as well as growing socioeconomic stratification, which are being used to manufacture and deepen crises.

All this gives the dark Bolshevik core of the Left a realistic shot at seizing control over the means of production and slaughtering millions of people without batting an eye, without regards for whether they are Red or Blue, they will kill whoever and however many as is necessary to seize and preserve power. They can be prevented, but only if people recognize the nature of the threat and take steps to oppose it from the root.