[Aszhaeleos]

(12-11-2018 11:18 AM)Dr Mantis Toboggan Wrote:  

(12-09-2018 11:01 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

(12-09-2018 02:49 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

(12-09-2018 02:46 PM)Pride male Wrote:  

Why do whites like Japan so much? What about Pearl Harbour and the marches of death?

Great food, pleasant women, amazing culture and an all-around beautiful country.

The Japanese also are not grudge-holders, and for the most part they've forgotten about Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Pearl Harbor has no relevance anymore, either. Let sleeping dogs lie.

Complete BS, deep down their is a hatred towards the Americans.

Dropping bombs of that magnitude on innocent civilians is fuckery of the highest order.

More people died in the conventional bombing of Tokyo than in either Hiroshima or Nagasaki. Why is it worse to kill civilians with one huge bomb than to kill an even greater number in a span of a few hours with thousands of small bombs? That's pure hamster logic.

The psychological effect of a-bombs saved a million Allied lives, probably 5-10 million Japanese lives, and almost certainly saved Japan from being partitioned with the northern half of the country under brutal Soviet occupation the way Korea and Germany were. The real-life demonstration also helped prevent a full-fledged shooting war between the US and USSR that would have killed more tens of millions. You could make a pretty convincing argument that nuclear weapons have saved more lives than almost any other invention in human history--up there with penicillin and modern sanitation.

Absolute Bullshit. Only a fucking moron or someone with a hateful agenda could believe such propaganda tripe.

Its the same horseshit where people justify Eisenhower's death camps, the allied carpet bombing of civilian targets and war refugee's and all sorts of despicable shit carried out by the 'victors'.

[SamuelBRoberts]

(12-12-2018 05:53 AM)Aszhaeleos Wrote:  

Absolute Bullshit. Only a fucking moron or someone with a hateful agenda could believe such propaganda tripe.

Its the same horseshit where people justify Eisenhower's death camps, the allied carpet bombing of civilian targets and war refugee's and all sorts of despicable shit carried out by the 'victors'.

Within the last 24 hours I had a Japanese guy say pretty much the same thing to me over beers at a nice little yakiniku place in Shinbashi, that the nuclear bombings were preferable to having the Japanese slaughtered in a protracted ground conflict before being turned over to the soviets to starve in death camps. This was a guy who's fairly well-known for his extensive knowledge of history, and I'd bet at least one person reading this would recognize his name. (He blew up at me when I didn't remember what the "Hull Note" was and told me I needed to read more history books, which was a new experience for me considering half my library is books on the pacific war.)

Given that it's unlikely that he's a "fucking moron", would you say that he had some kind of hateful agenda against his own race, then? Would love to hear your analysis.

[infowarrior1]

I see only the Allied firebombing of Dresden that is absolutely unjustified even militarily. Its not even collateral damage.


Plus even Japanese civilians were taught to act as enemy combatants as a result of the ruling Ideology at the time. Correct me if I am wrong on that fact.

This plus the need to intimidate the Soviet Union and prevent them from attempting to make a move on Japan.

[Richard Turpin]

Japanese civilians were taught to act as enemy combatants, but they were still old men, women and children armed with nothing but knives and sticks. Unlike the Japanese Infantryman, they would be no match for American G.I's.

Winning a war is nothing to be ashamed of, but I've lived long enough to seriously question the idea of the US and British having the moral high ground anymore.

Dropping nuclear weapons on women, children and babies living in paper houses is as much a war-crime as any other war-crime I've read about. You can't even use the excuse that they 'voted in' their rulers as is sometimes said about the doomed residents of Dresden, Hamburg, Berlin etc.

They dropped those shiny new bombs because they wanted to show off to Russia. They were unaware of course that many of the people working on those weapons owed their allegiance to themselves, and not their country, so 2 weeks later the Russians had the blueprints thanks to their spies.

Regarding Europe, the allies built loads of massive bombers right from the start of the war. These bombers couldn't be used for anything else but the indiscriminate carpet-bombing of cities. The Germans on the other hand had medium range precision bombers meant only for military targets. On the other hand, they had shitloads of fighters. They were totally expecting another sort of air-war, in the end hoping technology would come to their rescue with the V weapons.

But all that's by-the-by and the only thing that matters in War is winning the fucker. But we should be under no illusion that you only win them by being complete, utter bastards.

Back to topic; the Japs need to snap out of this nonsense and get back to making their borders tighter than a nun's arsehole again.

[SamuelBRoberts]

(12-12-2018 10:03 AM)Richard Turpin Wrote:  

Winning a war is nothing to be ashamed of, but I've lived long enough to seriously question the idea of the US and British having the moral high ground anymore.

Dropping nuclear weapons on women, children and babies living in paper houses is as much a war-crime as any other war-crime I've read about. You can't even use the excuse that they 'voted in' their rulers as is sometimes said about the doomed residents of Dresden, Hamburg, Berlin etc.

They dropped those shiny new bombs because they wanted to show off to Russia.

How many people do you think would've died in a ground invasion of Japan, and in the ensuing years after that when god-knows-how-much-of-it went to the Soviets? Just a ballpark number.

[Richard Turpin]

(12-12-2018 10:10 AM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

(12-12-2018 10:03 AM)Richard Turpin Wrote:  

Winning a war is nothing to be ashamed of, but I've lived long enough to seriously question the idea of the US and British having the moral high ground anymore.

Dropping nuclear weapons on women, children and babies living in paper houses is as much a war-crime as any other war-crime I've read about. You can't even use the excuse that they 'voted in' their rulers as is sometimes said about the doomed residents of Dresden, Hamburg, Berlin etc.

They dropped those shiny new bombs because they wanted to show off to Russia.

How many people do you think would've died in a ground invasion of Japan, and in the ensuing years after that when god-knows-how-much-of-it went to the Soviets? Just a ballpark number.

A helluva lot, I'll grant you. No doubt about it. But weren't they on the verge of surrendering at that point anyway? Having lost their navy? Just what I've read, I'm no historian, mind-you.

I'm not even saying I wouldn't have made the same decision, just that I wouldn't have slept easily afterwards. Something about aerial bombing always sickens me.

[nomadbrah]

I think it's about time to let go of WW2 pride.

This is really funny how the same guys telling us we can't have pride in our ancestors works, still try to push pride in "winning" against Japan and Germany as if it didn't lead to 50 years of Sovjet dominance and the destruction of western christian society.

[infowarrior1]

(12-12-2018 02:02 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

I think it's about time to let go of WW2 pride.

This is really funny how the same guys telling us we can't have pride in our ancestors works, still try to push pride in "winning" against Japan and Germany as if it didn't lead to 50 years of Sovjet dominance and the destruction of western christian society.

It should be selective pride. Pride in the good our ancestors did whilst not really endorsing what can be decisively proven to be evil or incompetent.


The good and the bad. Warts and all. Lessons on what to do and not what to do. And how to surpass them if possible.

[infowarrior1]

(12-12-2018 10:16 AM)Richard Turpin Wrote:  

(12-12-2018 10:10 AM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

(12-12-2018 10:03 AM)Richard Turpin Wrote:  

Winning a war is nothing to be ashamed of, but I've lived long enough to seriously question the idea of the US and British having the moral high ground anymore.

Dropping nuclear weapons on women, children and babies living in paper houses is as much a war-crime as any other war-crime I've read about. You can't even use the excuse that they 'voted in' their rulers as is sometimes said about the doomed residents of Dresden, Hamburg, Berlin etc.

They dropped those shiny new bombs because they wanted to show off to Russia.

How many people do you think would've died in a ground invasion of Japan, and in the ensuing years after that when god-knows-how-much-of-it went to the Soviets? Just a ballpark number.

A helluva lot, I'll grant you. No doubt about it. But weren't they on the verge of surrendering at that point anyway? Having lost their navy? Just what I've read, I'm no historian, mind-you.

I'm not even saying I wouldn't have made the same decision, just that I wouldn't have slept easily afterwards. Something about aerial bombing always sickens me.

Unlike man-on-man combat it seems arbitrary. Nothing to do with skill or valor. Simple carnage and slaughter.

[911]

(12-12-2018 02:02 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

I think it's about time to let go of WW2 pride.

This is really funny how the same guys telling us we can't have pride in our ancestors works, still try to push pride in "winning" against Japan and Germany as if it didn't lead to 50 years of Sovjet dominance and the destruction of western christian society.

The only reason we had Soviet dominance was because the globalists who ruled the West wanted it. Patton would have kicked Stalin's ass and liberated eastern Europe in a couple of weeks back in the summer of 45, saving millions of Germans, Ukrainians, Poles etc. Instead Morgenthau and the other globalists in charge had this great American hero killed. Not only this, but the globalists also actively supported the Soviets through lend-lease programs providing key technologies for their military and industry, capital and vital supplies.

Sam Roberts: the trope of millions killed in a ground war to conquer Japan is BS, Japan was ready to surrender, according to top US military analysts. This is one of those many big lies wrapped around WW2, like the fact that Roosevelt let Pearl Harbor happen in order to make sure the US goes all out into the war, or the fact that gas chambers didn't really exist in Auschwitz and other nazi labor camps. As well, Nagasaki was probably chosen as a target because it was the main Christian city in Japan.

[RVF400]

(12-09-2018 02:49 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

(12-09-2018 02:46 PM)Pride male Wrote:  

Why do whites like Japan so much? What about Pearl Harbour and the marches of death?

Great food, pleasant women, amazing culture and an all-around beautiful country.

Maybe I am getting old but I really love Japan for the civility and tranquility of it.

Having traveled a fair bit around the world and seeing just about every part of the U.S. (was a glorified truck driver last 8 years) I can say with some certainty that Japan provides a very nice 1st world experience.

I do not claim to be one of those Japan experts, but I have explored from Wakkanai to Fukuoka, the Inaka of Shikoku and a number of other places.

I see much of America as one long decaying strip mall inhabited by tattooed obese people. We have a few nice spots but the reality is pretty grim in much of the country. One box store after another, failing infrastructure and a dumbed-down populace seemingly priming itself for a civil war...not even gonna mention the women.

Japan, while it has its share of decay outside of the big cities they seem to be managing it well. I have also never been anywhere in the country that I did not like, felt unsafe or considered it undesirable as a place to live.
I have mostly only met very friendly and helpful people who are curious, welcoming and fun to hang out with, especially if you drink with them and can bang out some blues or Beatles on the guitar.

Have seen the economic migrants in some combinis and hotels, overall not a huge threat in my mind, and I think the conformity of the Japanese society will grind out any kind of fuckery from them in most cases.

That said, I do think Japan is well aware that letting in the 3rd world en masse is a bad idea and they will not have it. The population was never historically as high as it is today, and they will be just fine going back to around 70 million people, especially as a country that has to import so much of its energy and food.

So for me, Japan offers much for someone who enjoys a very civilized experience...and the girls...

[Ocelot]

This might be the first time a race thread got derailed by a non-racial discussion. Did we unlock an achievement?