[questor70]

I think obsessing on the world's problems for too long leads you down a darkening alleyway that eventually bottoms out with suicide (if you turn inward) or extremism like this:

For instance, around the time of Gulf War II they did a biography on Saddam and explained that he was an unwanted child and he was made aware of the fact that he was an unwanted child. His cruelty was ultimately an expression of his deep-seated insecurity.

I find myself going through a lot of the same sorts of searching and questioning and frustrations that I hear from Roosh's live chats. However, I sort of "catch" myself when I feel that I'm lapsing too far because, frankly, it doesn't feel good to be stewing in so much negativity all the time. Life is just too short for that.

I have been on the internet since 1993 so I really think the internet has acted to turn the world into a giant hive-mind. The way the mind works is based on fuzzy logic. There's a lot of indecision. Neurons "fight" until one side wins. That's how societies have always functioned but the internet has destroyed decorum and raised the noise-floor. I'm glad I never really jumped on the Twitter bandwagon because that seems to be ground zero where everything takes place, all the way up to Elon Musk and the POTUS. It's the central part of the new commons, and it burns with the heat of a thousand suns. Sometimes it can be harmless, like with memes, and sometimes it can be mob rule, like the #MeToo madness. But it's like this vortex that pulls everyone in to waste a ton of energy arguing with people who will never change their minds.

The trick is to find a way to calmly reject aspects of society that you don't like without getting consumed in the eternal dumpster-fire that epitomizes internet discourse. Tending your own garden, so to speak.

Remember when Roosh was writing articles about stoicism and tao? That's what I'm talking about. Of course, I didn't have my books banned or get stopped in Iceland or anything. But I think for those of us who aren't in the cross-hairs at least, a more stoic approach is probably healthier than getting ever more agitated and outraged and going down conspiracy-theory rabbit-holes.

[tomzestatlu]

I don´t know, what the plan is, but i know that..

SOMEBODY pays to get as many coloured person to Europe as possible.
SOMEBODY pays to convince people it´s ok to mix races.
SOMEBODY pays to promote everything degrading traditional family.
SOMEBODY pays to thrown down independent states like Syria, Libya or Yugoslavia.
SOMEBODY has monopoly for spreading information.
SOMEBODY isn´t telling us truth about history.
SOMEBODY is getting richer and richer, while the rest of the world is more and more poor.

The goal is to destroy white race and national feeling in people, that´s for sure. I don´t know why. Everyone saying oposite is either non-white or leftist cuck.

[loremipsum]

(11-29-2018 08:16 PM)Flux Wrote:  

^^Spare me the bullshit.

Intelligence comes and goes in families. The Rothschilds have lost their stars, they have no great men left in their family. The Rockefellers had a nice run too, but now have also lost their stars.

Power doesn't stay in families because intelligence runs in the mtDNA, and women don't display it, so it's pretty much impossible to have generations of geniuses within a family. The noble European houses did it best, but it ultimately failed.

The Rothschilds kept theirs through inbreeding, but that can only last so long, and they're no longer doing that. Even Jews now are mixing with other races and that will lead to a loss of intelligence.

Jews are just like a royal house, but they will eventually fall too.

Your way of thinking is toxic--these people are weak and beatable, they show it everyday. The reason the world has been so unstable for its entire history, is because power and talent is born unexpectedly. Nature runs the show, God even, not the plans of humans.

Toxic? Now thats a word you dont see often on rooshvforum.

And yes there is no plan, dont read huxley or any UN reports. We are animals there is no god no higher purpose blablabla. Nice projecting.

[Leonard D Neubache]

(11-29-2018 11:18 PM)Flux Wrote:  

Yeah, no.

I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything, I'm trying to bounce ideas to get to the truth.

The truth will shine, once it appears

Then stop making your own shill threads and start reading the popular ones that already exist.

It's the height of arrogance to arrive and immediately assume that nothing of real relevance has been discussed in your absence.

You are not a beacon of independent thought shining out into a sea of ignorance.

You are just a n00b.

[Richard Turpin]

(11-29-2018 11:57 AM)BadBoyGamer Wrote:  

We humans think way too high of ourselfs for our own good. Somehow we have fooled ourself into believing we are not animals. That we are above our basic evolutionary instincts. But we are not. All these special human qualities we ascribe to ourself are just a thin layer on top of our monkey brain.

To be able to "see" this "secret plan" you only have to throw a bunch of bananas in the direction of a group of monkeys.

One monkey runs towards the closest banana and begins eating. Another monkey grabs a bunch of bananas and runs away. Yet another monkey grabs a stick and beats his buddy untill he drops his bananas. And yet another monkey sits in a corner afraid to get close to a banana.

We are just monkeys. Monkeys able to craft fighter airplanes.

Funny, and very true up to a point mate. But we are more than mere monkeys. I'm reminded of the following quote;

“You could never convince a monkey to give you a banana by promising him limitless bananas after death in monkey heaven.”
― Yuval Noah Harari, Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind

[RawGod]

(11-29-2018 09:54 PM)Flux Wrote:  

Think what you will, but I understand Soros, we have the same logic, and he's an open book, he doesn't hide.

At a loss at the delusion here...you're at the stage where you don't know how much you don't know.

[AnonymousBosch]

(11-29-2018 11:18 PM)Flux Wrote:  

I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything, I'm trying to bounce ideas to get to the truth.

I'm bouncing over to the 'Ignore User' button, something that I only briefly used in the past as a joke.

Link from the other thread on Inversion:

Sabbatean-Frankism as the Paradigm of the Modern Left

[Flux]

Is it easier to accept a common enemy than it is to accept that a collapse is within the natural cycle of things? I suppose so. But strength is born out of argument, out of battling insecurities, not being afraid to push the limits.

Life is supposed to be tragic, it's supposed to have ugly realities, if it wasn't then it wouldn't be worth living. If you guys want to bond over your common enemy and theories then go ahead.

I'll figure out what I need to and be out of your way.

[questor70]

This probably deserves its own thread, but this popped up in my Google news feed.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archiv...gs/576592/

For the record, I was raised atheist, but I feel that most people sort of need religion in order to reign in their impulses and build community. Without religion you need a secular philosophy of some kind, and the only one that's taken over is validating the hedonic treadmill and hyper-individualism.

[mr-ed209]

There is no plan, that's the problem. Back when things were more conservative, governments implemented plans to govern how people lived, for the stability of society. Strict hierarchies in the working world, promotion of family values etc - they all served to create a society of functional workers which mined a nations GDP. People accepted those ideas as being good ideas probably because of religious values and because men were getting slaughtered on mass every 5 years in major wars. It really forced home the fact that fundamental in human nature is a capability for savagery. Its ironic that people today mistake us as reaching some enlightenment of peace; when if history is anything to go by. That the assurance of mutual destruction through nuclear weapons prevents major nations from hostile land/resource grabs every few decades.

Nowadays there is no plan. The world appears safer, but we're suffering the consequences of short sighted idealistic politics that appeals to the worst of human nature. Liberal politicians push policies of immigration and equality because they win voters due to the short term happy feels they invoke. Nowadays, a politician who attempted to preach the values of stability, protection and forgoing vain pleasures within society would be committing political suicide. Your average John Oliver watching voter just doesn't want to hear that people can do bad things and commit harm to others; especially when it goes against their propogandised racial or gender narrative.

Instead they want to see their black president 'drop the mic' so they can feel 'progressive' while having zero responsibility in making it happen. People want 'liberation' of female sexuality for the short term pleasure of having young women free and available for sex, despite the life ruining damages long term. Politicians win votes by giving people what they want, not what they need.

[Aurini]

(11-29-2018 05:41 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

This is a naive take. There are plans in every organization, from local businesses to big media outlets. I had a plan with a cohesive agenda with ROK, and that's just a blog. Every organization has an agenda they want to push. You better believe that the people with the most power in the world also have a plan to maintain that power.

By the time God crapped out the third caveman, a conspiracy was launched against one of them!

[debeguiled]

Quote:

Yeah, no.

[Aurini]

The problem with trying to discern a plan is that most plans have an explicit aim that is at least founded upon the good. Even something like a bank robbery is pursuing the good of wealth through disordered means.

One can safely say that whatever plans are out there, they are not pursuing the end of "Human flourishing and moral excellence." I can't think of any social trend that's pushing for this. The closest we get are Trumpist/Nationalist groups who seek an end to the constant degradation, so that humans will be allowed to pursue virtue or vice at their own behest (very telling about our generation; even those who claim allegiance to virtue are repulsed by any organized hierarchy promoting it).

Now if we abandon the S.P.E.C.T.R.E./C.O.B.R.A. conspiracies which seek something good through a disordered means, and instead consider conspiracies which seek moral evil for the sake of evil itself - things begin to make more sense. The goal is moral decay.

Take the recent attempt at promoting pedophilia, for instance; the idea that children can consent. This one tanked pretty hard, but the goal wasn't child-sex per se; it was the degradation and ruination of innocents. So that plan failed; meet the new plan, child transgenders.

A ruling elite that just wanted to fuck kids would be extremely disordered, but they'd still be pursuing something good at the bottom of the rabbit hole; the pleasure associated with sex. But that's not what they're after. They're pursuing degradation of the soul. That's why the 'plan' doesn't seem to make any sense - there's no 'there' there. There's no explicit goal that would make sense to anybody with an ounce of humanity.

Study the behaviour of narcissists, "People of the Lie" by M. Scott Peck is a good. These people will be self-sacrificingly evil. They will suffer for the sake of making you suffer, to no good end whatsoever.

When you start to look at the 'plan' in this light - no explicit goals, just the degradation and promotion of sin in general - you'll be able to understand why they can shift gears and tactics so readily.

It's no any particular sin that matters - the acceptance of one will lead to the prevalence of the others - so long as we abandon goodness and flourishing. They want slaves because they want slaves, not because they're economically productive.

[Captainstabbin]

(11-29-2018 09:43 AM)Flux Wrote:  

Soros talks about the problems of greed, and suggests that politicians and heads of companies be more moral, instead of approaching their careers in a selfish/monetary way, but then proceeds to act in the same way he's condemning. He knows about the degeneracy, and hates it, yet has no escape from it.

No he doesn't. He is the degeneracy personified. All of these elites talk the socialism nonsense to the masses but follow a ruthless capitalism to build their fortunes.

He only talks about greed being bad to keep the SJWs from turning on him. Same as Warren Buffett, Bill Gates and all of the Hollywood actors. It's all a scam to keep the masses in line.

Keep as many as possible stupid, radicalized and dependent on the government - it's like the Matrix, a perfect system of control.

[Waqqle]

People in high positions are doing what is beneficial for themselves and their own tribes without much or any regard for what is good for other tribes and they are competing with each other for status within their own tribes. Elite people from opposite ends of the Earth have more in common with each other culturally than they do with the commoners in their respective home countries and surely spend more time dealing with other global elites than they do with commoners who live in the rougher parts of their own cities. Barring some sincere religious compulsion to do so or some genuine fear of supernatural consequences for not doing so, what reason would they have to care about you, an outsider/barbarian whom they will almost certainly never have to interact with in any meaningful way?

Viewed in that light, things make sense and are less mysterious.

[Swell]

(11-29-2018 09:43 AM)Flux Wrote:  

There is talk about a conscious destruction of society, a scheme being made to deliberately change things, a careful plan being logically devised with a clear end goal. But what if there is no plan?

Here's your homework.

This really is an informative video.

[Waqqle]

I recommend reading The Dictator's Handbook: Why Bad Behavior is Almost Always Good Politics by Alastair Smith and Bruce Bueno de Mesquita.

[sebip]

This is an interesting subject. I think we all have our own ideas and beliefs on how the world works, who's in charge, what's the agenda, who's ruling us, what's the purpose of life, is there a divine power. The more I read and analyze the world around me, I see the reality as something really complex. We are all very different with individual mindsets and experiences, and that makes each one of us unique. And I believe that's the most fascinating thing about us humans, the fact that each one of us is indeed unique. I believe the more information you gather, and try to make sense of things, the easier is to fall pray to a particular mindset and become somehow ignorant of other perspectives. I can't pretend to have the answers, I'm just a young guy trying to understand by reading and observing, and it's so easy to get lost in different ideologies. This is a really complicated subject, with everyone having diferent views. I'm just gonna leave here my favourite poem from a Romanian writer I admire(translated in english).

Time is passing, time comes yet,

All is old, and all is new;
What for good or ill is set
You can ponder and construe;
Do not hope and do not worry,
What’s a wave, will wave away;
Though enticing with a flurry,
Cold remain to all they say.

Many things pass by before us,
Many things we hear and see,
Who remembers all their ruckus
And would listen to their plea?…
You sit quiet ‘round the edges,
Find yourself, despite their fret,
While you hear their noisy pledges,
Time is passing, time comes yet.

Not inclining in expression
The cold balance of our thinking
To a moment, an impression,
Mask of happiness now sinking,
Of its own death notwithstanding
Takes one lonely breath for you;
But for him who’s understanding
All is old, and all is new.

Entertained by actors playing
In this world yourself depict:
Though four roles one is portraying,
His true face you can predict;
If he weeps, or if he’s fighting,
You just watch him without fret
And deduce from his inciting
What for good or ill is set.

Past and future go together,
The two faces of a coin,
You can tell tomorrow’s weather,
When you learn the two to join;
All that was and all that follows
In this moment we see true,
On their false and empty hollows
You can ponder and construe.

The same means this world is using
To constrain in all she fashions,
And for thousand years suffusing
Joy and sadness duly rations;
Other masks, the same old drama,
Other mouths, the same old story,
Discontent by their conformance
Do not hope and do not worry.

Do not hope because some cretin
Wrestles to successes steady,
Idiots will have you beaten,
Though you’ve shown them off already;
Have no fear if when they gather
Ostentations they display,
Don’t resemble them, don’t blather:
What’s a wave, will wave away..

Like some charming siren calling,
The world’s luring and inviting,
Other actors when they’re falling,
It wants you to do their fighting;
Move aside, it’s just deception,
Pass them by, away you scurry,
From your path make no exception,
Though enticing with a flurry.

Should they touch you, get some distance,
Should they curse you, keep your polish,
Why to help and show persistence,
When you know they just demolish;
Let them blather on forever,
Doesn’t matter whom they sway,
Don’t grow fond of them, be clever,
Cold remain to all they say.

Cold remain to all they say,
Though entice you with a flurry;
What’s awave, will wave away,
Do not hope and do not worry;
You can ponder and construe
What for good or ill is set;
All is old, and all is new:

Times is passing, time comes yet.

[Waqqle]

(12-02-2018 11:15 AM)sebip Wrote:  

This is a really complicated subject, with everyone having diferent views....

My current view: It is not terribly complicated. It is a hard pill to swallow at first but it is not complicated. Certainly not David Icke invisible lizard conspiracy complicated. People are just doing what we have always done. Humans are tribal. For most of history, humans lived in bands of about 50-200 individuals and that is the number of relationships that our brains are wired to be able to handle mentally and emotionally (this is one reason why social media messes us up). Concerns about anyone beyond that number are mostly theoretical, philosophical, political, and/or ideological based on a common culture, religious conviction, sense of nationalism, community spirit, blood ties, ethnocentrism, xenophilia, profession, some sort of external oppression from a larger and more dominant group, a shared objective, etc. and/or pragmatic based on some shared objective that is beneficial to all parties involved. Not to say that any of those things are trivial because they are very important and they are what build civilizations and define people groups beyond blood ties but, if someone does not have any of these things in common with you and/or does not have any of them at all, what reason do they truly have to care about you or your well-being or be bothered by the fact that they or someone else profits from your suffering? Why would they not ration their caring and empathy for those who are closest to them (their own family and tribe) so that they can actually have deep relationships with them and look out for them instead of trying to weakly disperse their energy across the entire globe and, in doing so, forsake their tribe and family and never establish a deep relationship with anyone, all so that they can be more accommodating to outsiders who in all likelihood will not bestow the same courtesy and generosity upon them when they eventually take over because they remained strong and cohesive by not forsaking the ties that bound them.

Take us for example. The fact that we are all on this forum means that we probably share some philosophical and cultural beliefs which we most likely do not share with most other people (especially in the West) and the fact that we have to remain anonymous on this forum for reasons that we are surely all aware of by now suggests that other tribes have no problem at all with hurting us if they find out that we are in a tribe that their warchiefs have declared to be outside of the moral community. On our end, I would suspect that, if somehow put in a position to do so, most of us would probably be more willing to help another forum member than some random Antifa thug for example because the other forum member is at least close to being in our tribe if they are not already in it. Conversely, that same Antifa thug would have no problem smashing your eye socket with a bike lock in front of the entrance to a franchise of some multi-national corporation owned by a faceless committee of people who will never know your name much less give a crap about what just happened to you in their parking lot if they believed they would get away with it. Why would it be different for elites? Why would they not be more willing and likely to help their own as opposed to other random (to them) people like you or I who, in all likelihood, resent them and whose prosperity would either bring them no worldly benefit (or at least not enough benefit to justify the effort) or necessarily mean their own downfall or at least a decrease in their status/power/wealth relative to everyone else, as everyone else moves closer to their station, and the same for the other members of their tribe to whom they probably feel at least somewhat loyal?

This does not at all mean that there is reason to be awful to people who are not in the same group, family, or tribe and common courtesy makes the world go round. It only means that, if things get weird and a choice must be made, the well-being of their own will almost always take priority over the well-being of complete strangers. And, if we are honest with ourselves, we can admit that we would most likely make the same choice for our own. Otherwise, why would they feel loyalty for us or bother expending the effort and time to establish rapport and trust with us to get into our in-group when they could just spend it getting into the in-group of someone else who is more selective and will probably do more for them because they reserve their best efforts for those in their in-group?

Maybe my thoughts on this subject will evolve more over time but this is how I see things at the moment.

Another book I recommend that covers this is Way of Men by Jack Donovan. I also recommend Becoming a Barbarian and A More Complete Beast by the same author but I suggest reading Way of Men first.

[Aszhaeleos]

[Uprising]

Soros is one to talk about greed. This son of a bitch got filthy rich by crashing the bank of England in 1992. It's said that the snake made out with a cool 1 billion dollars on Black Wednesday, September 16, 1992.

How many Brits lost everything that they had saved and worked for their whole lives, because of that greedy mother fucker?

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/b/bla...nesday.asp

But of course that wasn't enough for this piece of shit, so then he decided to go screw over some East Asian countries to make his infinitely fat pockets even fatter. The Malaysian Prime Minister called him out on his shit too, but by then it was to late.

How many Asians weren't able to get good jobs or lost a lifetime worth of savings because of Soros greed?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_Asian...ial_crisis

Is there a God like figure who can control every single thing on Earth, like OP seemed to be asking in his his first post? No.

I may be just a pleb, but I'm smart enough to realize that a lot of people on this planet have the ability to rock my world and turn it upside down, while all I can do is helplessly look up and say "Thank you Sir, may I have another?"

Thankfully, this pleb also realizes that those very same people are also just one misstep away from being marched to the guillotine.

Don't trip, buddy.

[911]

OP is wrong, there IS a plan.



I rest my case.

[Foolsgo1d]

Ofcourse there are plans but there are many planners and so it will never go as-planned but things happen nonetheless.

That for me is an unknown path. 5 Years ago Donald Trump wasn't going to be POTUS and Social media wasnt what it is like now but here we are.

What I do know is human nature and what would happen if people couldn't get 3 meals a day, a roof over their head and electricity. A society can tolerate a few under those conditions but as soon as that number skyrockets it is a matter of time until a large scale change occurs.

Look at any riot, even those going on in France right now and just imagine that every day but worse, with dead cops, civilians and military on the streets. Do the powers that be want that? I dont know but from chaos comes order and it would be easier to carve a people up who are fighting each other rather than sticking together.

[Barron]

(11-29-2018 11:18 PM)Flux Wrote:  

Yeah, no.

I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything, I'm trying to bounce ideas to get to the truth.

The truth will shine, once it appears

Your post started out well because you asked good questions. As this thread developed, it became more and more obvious that you weren't interested in ideas that don't meet your expectations or worldview, no matter how much evidence to the contrary was provided.

I find your disagreements to be wholly inadequate of refuting the the positions of other members that challenged your original thoughts - evidenced by your use of platitudes and strawmans to dismiss dissent.

Relevant:

[Jungle]

OP's rejection of the truth is so ridiculously naive that I suspect he is a troll via a "holier than thou" narrative, for example...

(11-29-2018 11:18 PM)Flux Wrote:  

I'm trying to bounce ideas to get to the truth. The truth will shine, once it appears

Of course there's a plan. The powerful (( globalists )) literally tell us the plan clearly every single passing day. Societal decay of west, censorship, cultural Marxism, indoctrination and ethnic cleansing of white countries doesn't just happen mysteriously by accident.

I can see exactly what OP is trying to do i.e. make himself appear as an edgy contrarian. I guess as more and more men start to wake up and see the truth there will be a new Nihilistic fringe trying to counter the red pill counter-culture and this is exactly what OP is trying to do - be the supreme edgelord of RVF.

The OP is using the oldest trick in the book - subversion of truth. These people try to muddy the waters of the truth to distort the truth and logic of something which is obvious... they pretend all this unnatural shit that we see today is completely by coincidence. GTFOH.