[Laconian]

"Lost their stars"? This isn't Real Madrid, boyo.

Simmer down and let the Lord Rothschild tell you about how his family created Israel:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIA4EkvpLtc


...while you anonymously post on an obscure internet forum about a grassroots revolution against a cabal that runs the world. Got news for you: no major revolution has ever been grassroots. They financed them all (including the Beer Hall Putsch). To their benefit of course. Just fucking LOL.

Go read the Turner Diaries if you love fantasy fiction so much.

[Roosh]

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@Roosh There are many international discussion groups, and these people do meet and are all friends, but they seem to be acting out of own self interest, and to survive, rather than truly scheming the future, devising a grand plan.

[Easy_C]

(11-29-2018 05:41 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

This is a naive take. There are plans in every organization, from local businesses to big media outlets. I had a plan with a cohesive agenda with ROK, and that's just a blog. Every organization has an agenda they want to push. You better believe that the people with the most power in the world also have a plan to maintain that power.

Of course, but that also isn't analagous to there being a single supreme group that pulls all the strings.

It just means the people pushing it don't understand how things go nearly as well as they think they do. For example the mass European immigration was supposed to be a relatively smooth process and instead turned into a shitshow.

[KidA]

Part of the plan is you believing there is no plan.

[AnonymousBosch]

(11-29-2018 09:43 AM)Flux Wrote:  

Soros talks about the problems of greed, and suggests that politicians and heads of companies be more moral, instead of approaching their careers in a selfish/monetary way, but then proceeds to act in the same way he's condemning. He knows about the degeneracy, and hates it, yet has no escape from it.

This is naive. Soros is from the Sabbatean-Frankist school of Jewish Thought. When he tells companies they should be 'moral', that means conform to the morality of Reform Judaism, which means, a direct inversion of the both Orthodox Judaism and Christianity, meaning, deliberately-opposing the Natural Law and The Law of Moses, in the former, and the Natural Law and Jesus' 'perfection' of the Law of Moses in the latter.

'Moral' simply means making the company work for Reform Judaism's goals rather that Capitalist ones: the destruction of Christianity and Orthodox Jewry.

I've been writing about this in the thread on Roosh's 'Inversion Agenda'.

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These men don't lie, they genuinely believe that what they're doing is beneficial to society.

They're allowed to lie - "Blessed be he who permits the forbidden" - and their intention is to completely destroy all moral goodness in societies, even at the expense of the society itself, because they believe that when everyone on earth is committed to evil, God will return, destroy everyone else and reward the Sabbatean-Frankist Jews with complete control.

This is why, say, you have cereal companies like Kellogs, with known links to this school of thought and a history of agitating for Reform Jew causes, foisting homosexuality on children. It's an objective moral evil, sold as a subjective moral good.

Note that this isn't Conspiracy Theory or Anti-Semitism: this is Jewish History as taught by Orthodox Jews, and most of what I've read has been from Jewish writers.

Unfortunately, the Orthodox Jews are insular by nature and uninterested in enlightening the Christians of the reality of what is happening, what they label the 'death drive' of the Liberal Jewish Left. It's a wasted opportunity for both groups to unite against this, but I think events will play out how they play out.

I'll throw something up in the other thread in a bit, as my research is helping me find more interesting links. Remember, I've worked backwards to this from observing Objective Reality.

But, hey, keep believing there's no plan:

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The idea that Frankism is strongly related to the Left is probabilistic certainty. For example, if there were just a few hundred families of Sabbatean-Frankists in the United States, the probability that three of them got on the Supreme Court (Cardozo, Brandeis, Frankfurter) as a coincidence is, say, 1/,000 to the third power or 1 in 1 billion. Around this time there were about 90 million Americans.

Frankfurter and Brandeis could be linked as both German Jews. Cardozo, however, was Sephardi, and who could easily link him to the other two as part of a conspiracy? However, Cadozo descended from the dynasty of the third most significant figure in the Sabbatean-Frankist movement. This appears similar to the Cosa Nostra, where a member of the mob couldn’t become a “made man” unless his ancestry could be traced back to Italy.

Of course there are confounding factors, such as Jews being more likely to be lawyers, etc. Secular Jews, in particular, would be likely to be lawyers. So, for the sake of argument, we can lower the odds to 1/1,000. Even with these factors, this is an extraordinary coincidence.

Similarly, the probability that the three most important immigration activists were Sabbatean-Frankists (Zangwill, Lazarus, and Kallen), is again, easily 1 in 1000.

What’s so shocking is that the people identified by the methodologies in the Frankist Thesis as potential Frankists, in real life, seem to be drawn to each other, exactly as the methodologies predict. So, Rabbi Stephen Wise, Justice Brandeis, Justice Frankfurter, and Jacob Schiff all collaborated. Wise and Schiff, who seem to have nothing in common to (a banker and a rabbi), nevertheless collaborated to form the NAACP. This repeats time and time again. Princeton University professor Horace Kallen (who invented multi-culturalism and pings strongly for Sabbatean-Frankism), ends up collaborate with… guess who? Frankfurter, Brandeis, and Wise in his Parushim secret society.

So, the probability that a few select individuals with traits correlating with Sabbatean Frankism ended up dominating the Left and sought each other out as partners….. well now were back into the 1 in billions again. This thesis in indisputable. The Left is deeply related to a form of Jewish Satanism and it can’t be denied.

[TigerMandingo]

(11-29-2018 08:28 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  

For example the mass European immigration was supposed to be a relatively smooth process and instead turned into a shitshow.

What if it's the other way around? What if it was supposed to be a shitshow? I would assume more chaos is beneficial to the ruling classes.

[Flux]

@AnonymousBosch I don't think so. Soros thinks he's God, does not abide by Judaism, he hates it.

His father and whole family where self hating Jews and he follows that train of thought, he enjoyed his time as a child through WW2. I've read his books and watched his lectures--he believes in nothing but himself.

His theory of reflexivity is genius, you should read about it. Cutting through the bullshit, it basically states that people's perceptions can be dreadfully wrong and far away from reality. The ego protects itself by blinding the consciousness: emotions blinding logic, and creating a false reality.

@Roosh They might scheme it, but it's a joke, I don't believe they're acting in a logical way. They're human, have flaws, insecurities, and they're suffering the same ails of the society they inhabit. You can't escape it--we are all part of society no matter our rank within it.

[TigerMandingo]

(11-29-2018 08:48 PM)Flux Wrote:  

@AnonymousBosch I don't think so. Soros thinks he's God, does not abide by Judaism, he hates it.

Not really. From the horse's mouth. Soros interview with the Washington Post:

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On his religious beliefs and Judaism:

I am an agnostic. . . . I am definitely the son of two Jewish parents and four Jewish grandparents, so I am Jewish by descent. I’m not a practicing Jew. But I am definitely a Jew. [I am agnostic] because of our inherent inability to understand reality, and therefore I cannot be sure that there is no God. I’m sure that I don’t believe in God as it is described in the Jewish — in the Old and New Testaments. . . . I believe that man created God in his own image, whereas the Bible says God created man in his own image.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/...199f2ae05d

Why are you making things up?

[Flux]

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I believe that man created God in his own image, whereas the Bible says God created man in his own image.

He thinks he's God.

[nomadbrah]

The so called "elites" Montrose speak of are not elites in the objective sense at all.

They're upper level gatekeepers of the institutions that the real elites have created. They're the chair of the Fed, but they're not among those who created the Fed. They're the participants at Bilderberger or Council on Foreign Relations or Gatestone Institute, but they didn't create any of those. They're the representatives in the EU, but they didn't create the EU. They're the president of the UN, but they didn't create the UN.

Unless you see and understand this difference, then you have no clue what is going on in the world.

The so called "liberal democracies" of the West are ruled by institutions and media. These can be effectively controlled by setting goals from the very top and let them filter down.

It's a pyramid of influence.

First your real elite, your Rothschilds and Soros, figure out what they want to accomplish, say flood Europe with muslims.

They then fund a group of academics to peddle this new theory of "multiculturalism". That's your Francis Fukuyama or Frankfurt School.

Once the academics have produced a suitable body of theory, that is then peddled through sympathetic universities, taken over from years of nepotism and bribes ("donations").

At the same time, the academic is promoted through other institutions, they speak at Bilderberger, they write an article in "Foreign Affairs" (published by CFR). Foreign Affairs is read by every politician and high ranking official in the world. They take it as gospel.

They have many such methods of influence and do not need to micro manage each of them, as long as their institutions are made to only advance those who work within their framework.

Human Rights for example, makes it impossible to ethnically discriminate. There's no great need for a plan, since the institution is self promoting within that framework.

[Longshanks]

Turn the citizens of the world into an unidentifiable brown mix >
Rule the slaves from Israel >
Kill unruly slaves as and when they become a problem.

If that's not the plan, they could've fooled me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNzW0zN7XzM

[Flux]

@nomadbrah

Yes, but they are a part of this failing society, so they are failing. It's not the elites and then society, we rely on each other as humans, it's one structure.

It doesn't matter how much money you have, if society degenerates, you degenerate alongside it. If you physically separate humans like it used to be between slaves and master classes, then it can be done, but if you unleash psychological toxins, then it infects everyone. It's like the system runs on its own now, with no master.

Everyone is infected; there are no masters; only slaves of the system. Everyone is trapped in their role in the hierarchy and no one has control, even Soros who desperately tries to influence, is working against himself. He's a total mess psychologically.

[Easy_C]

(11-29-2018 08:44 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

(11-29-2018 08:28 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  

For example the mass European immigration was supposed to be a relatively smooth process and instead turned into a shitshow.

What if it's the other way around? What if it was supposed to be a shitshow? I would assume more chaos is beneficial to the ruling classes.

Not in this instance. The entire agenda in that region was to use the EU and the unified currency as a backdoor to federalize the entire region into one meta-power they control.

Instead the "refugee" (mostly economic migrants in reality) has caused a massive wave of euroskepticism to where countries like Poland and Hungary are now openly sparring with EU leadership. BREXIT was supposed to go the other way but they miscalculated and believed their own bullshit polls.


Another example of how they miscalculated was Syria. Assad was supposed to be out of power by now as outlined in the PNAC plan. It didn't work because the regime proved more resilient than anticipated, and Russia was more willing to become directly involved than anticipated.

[Easy_C]

Speaking of Russia.

Russia is another major example of how "the plan" went off the rails in a direction they didn't anticipate.

There's a REASON Putin is so hated that goes beyond Syria. He isn't supposed to be in office because Yeltsin was supposed to have been replaced by a Wall St. Stooge: https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world...ump-safra/


That's part of why dialectic disruptions are now necessary. They've made some serious missteps over the past 18 years that have introduced difficulties they did not anticipate.

[AnonymousBosch]

(11-29-2018 08:48 PM)Flux Wrote:  

@AnonymousBosch I don't think so. Soros thinks he's God, does not abide by Judaism, he hates it.

Hatred of Traditional Judaism from a Jew is indicator of Sabbatean-Frankist thought. One of their commandments is that a SF believer must not reveal what he really is.

Sabbatean-Frankists were deeply cynical and relish deception. So, instead of saying that they were influenced by Frank, they make up risible hagiography-worthy stories of their profound altruism and humanity (Marx claiming that he was inspired to Communism by seeing unneeded scrap wood not being shared to help keep the German locals warm).

As I mentioned previously in regards to Roosh's banning, they all have foundations.

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His theory of reflexivity is genius, you should read about it. Cutting through the bullshit, it basically states that people's perceptions can be dreadfully wrong and far away from reality. The ego protects itself by blinding the consciousness: emotions blinding logic, and creating a false reality.

Big whoop. I've spoken at length about how the Reform Judaism works to create a Subjective Reality in the Indoctrinated, where moral action is judged based upon one's emotions, leading to an effeminate, hysterical culture. If he's praising Sabbatean-Frankist tactics, and seemingly-obsessed with destroying the west, (another SF Goal), and funding organisations trying to do so through Satanic Inversion and Open Borders, then, well, he's doing a damn good duck impersonation is he isn't one.

[bigswingingdick]

migration crisis will lead to the rise of right wing and extreme right wing which will put probability of war much higher. After the war erupts comes debt. After devastation people will submit to a new form of organization. Which will be a federal Europe. The genesis of the EU and it’s justification was to stop wars between France and Germany.
The problem is power will transfer itself to Asia.
This blueprint was used for the United Nations creation and EU Israel
The discussion of the existence of a plan is outdated. How to create a peaceful anti plan would be more fruitful

[renotime]

(11-29-2018 06:08 PM)Flux Wrote:  

That's a quote by Henry Kissinger

Ah, yes, Henry Kissinger, a man that wasn't even born in America and yet was one of the architects of the Vietnam War and won a Nobel Peace Prize for his efforts.

I'm sure a man like that has never had a plan.

[Jozi]

(11-29-2018 09:43 AM)Flux Wrote:  

If you think of mankind as an organism that works together, and that undergoes different stages of a cycle, then we really have no free will in the grand scheme of things, and are doomed to go through the phases of the cycle, acting subconsciously in crucial moments of it.

You are making the assumption that mankind is an organism, and not different organisms belonging to different groups/tribes each working to destroy the other ones for their own benefit. That is basically the theory of evolution. Or you do not believe in evolution?

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The only explanation must then be that they are acting out of instinct, as is everyone.

Perhaps. But what difference does this make? The end result is exactly the same.

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The reason the world has been so unstable for its entire history, is because power and talent is born unexpectedly. Nature runs the show, God even, not the plans of humans.

Do you deny the differences in IQ's between nations and races? Differences in height, strength, muscular tissue, bone density etc? Are all these just random numbers based on luck and have nothing to do with your genetics? A Pygmy baby has the same odds of growing tall as a Dutch baby? If not, then your theory makes no difference on the end result, given that the group has a large enough number of "members".

A small group of 10 (a family, for example) can have relatively large variances in success from one generation to the next. But a larger group of millions cannot. And this is why there were no two story buildings or written language in Africa when the European settlers first came there. And it's why the Filipino national team in basketball aren't very good, even though it's the most popular sport in the country (quite a large one too, btw).

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Nature controls us, not the other way around--we are nature, we work within it.

And what's your point?

[Flux]

@AnonymousBosch

Think what you will, but I understand Soros, we have the same logic, and he's an open book, he doesn't hide. He's complicated psychologically, but his logic is understandable and decodable for me.

The theory of reflexivity is what I used to make money in the markets, even before reading about it: it's simply understanding the emotional and irrational reality of human nature.

I'm not buying any of this, we all work together as a species within the framework of our natures, and no man is God, and no group of men can control destiny.

Nature controls us, not the other way around--we are nature, we work within it.

@Jozi Read all my posts on this thread, your answers are there.

[CynicalContrarian]

The novel 1984 was written in 1948, yet has a rather uncanny parallel to the mechanisms & manner in which authoritarian governments may use & abuse technology today.
Technology that was not even in existence at the time.
If rumour of Orwell being privy to 'the plans' prior to 1948 is valid, that may well explain the uncanny nature in which his book is so similar to authoritarian methods today.

The UN is / was part of a plan.
The EU is / was part of a plan.
We know as per "Active Measures" that the Kremlin actively conducted it's plans to undermine & subvert the West.
"Global warming" propaganda is / was part of a plan.

One may not like to acknowledge such plans.
Yet one's mere dislike does not mean sinister men do not actively plan for their own gain of power & control.

[Easy_C]

(11-29-2018 09:54 PM)Flux Wrote:  

Nature controls us, not the other way around--we are nature, we work within it.

Except that isn't the concept. I'm kind of pleased to see that Roosh has discovered the concept of "inversion" that is one of the first things that those of us who study esoteric allegory/society/agendas have known.


One example is hidden in plain sight in regards to the topic.

Take the obsession with the Illuminati "Pyramid". Even people in this thread have referred to "those at the top".



However...to use the old iteration of "as above, so below". You're looking at it wrong.



Real version sometimes seen in pop culture:





And historically as with Nazi Concentration camp uniform patches:





And the two come together



Remember that the public message is INVERTED.

You should not be looking to find the top of the pyramid. What this is telling is that the real control structures are "buried" (I do not yet know whether this metaphorically or literally) out of sight and hidden.

[Flux]

That's my whole point, inversion isn't planned, it isn't desired, it's a sign that things are going to shit for everyone.

We are together in this now, if society collapses the rich will get their heads on sticks, and countries like China will capitalize.

I think inversion is a symptom of a dying society, not a planned move by logical minds. Symbols might represent the will of our unconscious minds rather than that of our consciousness.

Degeneracy is a vicious circle that feeds on itself, no one needs to push it anymore, the program is in. The world is united now, so we could see a collapse like never before--a complete global collapse. It came close to happening in 2008 so it's most certainly possible.

[CynicalContrarian]

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Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35
January 10, 1963

Current Communist Goals
EXTENSION OF REMARKS OF HON. A. S. HERLONG, JR. OF FLORIDA
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
Thursday, January 10, 1963

Mr. HERLONG. Mr. Speaker, Mrs. Patricia Nordman of De Land, Fla., is an ardent and articulate opponent of communism, and until recently published the De Land Courier, which she dedicated to the purpose of alerting the public to the dangers of communism in America.

At Mrs. Nordman’s request, I include in the RECORD, under unanimous consent, the following "Current Communist Goals," which she identifies as an excerpt from "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen:

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11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)
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16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.
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17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers’ associations. Put the party line in textbooks.
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20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.
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21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.
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22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."
...
25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.
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26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."
...
27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."
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30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."
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36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.
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37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business. (Get woke, go broke)
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40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.
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41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

https://redice.tv/news/communist-goals-1963

Emphasis 1963.
No. No sinister folk here planning to undermine & subvert the traditional Western world...
Nothing of the sought...

[Jozi]

(11-29-2018 09:54 PM)Flux Wrote:  

@Jozi Read all my posts on this thread, your answers are there.

It isn't though. You are saying that there can't be a plan because all people act out of instinct. I am saying that whether they do or not, it has nothing to do with the outcome. An animal programmed to kill you and everyone else (even including itself) doesn't mean it is any less dangerous or problematic.

Discussing philosophical questions like the nature of free will is meaningless. Who cares?

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Degeneracy is a vicious circle that feeds on itself, no one needs to push it anymore, the program is in. The world is united now, so we could see a collapse like never before--a complete global collapse. It came close to happening in 2008 so it's most certainly possible.

"That's right goy, just give up and let it happen, can't do anything about it now!"

[Flux]

Yeah, no.

I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything, I'm trying to bounce ideas to get to the truth.

The truth will shine, once it appears