[soup]

The most basic ones that have had the most meaning for me:

1) You can get better if you practice correctly.

2) Abundance mentality.

These are great because they take the "i am condemned forever" out of things.

Any others?

Abundance mentality is hard to fake and, being new, I'm not sure how much better any particular person can get in their lifetime, but it feels liberating.

Also, I like this one from one of the other posts:
Assume all women are sluts until they prove otherwise. This is real qualification.

[gringochileno]

"I don't give a fuck" is pretty high up there for me.

[soup]

Yeah, but it's easier to say that than to actually live it. Abundance mentality gives you "i don't give a fuck," but abundance mentality is also not something can be faked- it must be felt.

btw, this is a great post: http://rationalmale.wordpress.com/2011/10/04/women-sex/

[gringochileno]

I'm just saying it's a mindset that comes naturally to me and gives me the correct attitude towards picking up women. Having an abundance mentality could also lead to that belief but for me indifference to rejection is the fundamental.

[soup]

Yeah, but we're wired to not be indifferent to rejection, so the only way to go around that is to be in a position where you're not getting rejected. Hence abundance mentality.

[gringochileno]

Well it works for me, that's all I can say. "Fuck it, hit on her, who cares" gets me going just fine without having to think about why I have that attitude.

[soup]

Well, you're beyond me on that. I get wigged out by the built in fear of rejection and also the "she's not good enough for me" thing.

[BUCK]

"If you are going to achieve goals you have never achieved before, you must do what you have never done before." (Push yourself to fail often, because if you want to succeed big, you have to fail big). Do actions towards your goal every day and go out and fail a lot (get MANY rejections). A key to success is massive failure (get MANY rejections). To achieve more success (BANGS), go out and get more failures (rejections). No longer fear rejections, they are part of the process. Your desire for sex is much greater than any fear of rejections. Set a goal for the number of rejections you want each day. Like getting rejections because it is proof that you are taking actions towards your next BANG. If you have a friend see who can get the most rejections this week (or who can get their next BANG the quickest). How MANY rejections can you get today/this week/this month?

You are out to find the girls that are interested in BANGING. You may have to go through a bunch that are not interested to find the girls who want to BANG. When you find these girls that want to have sex, you are making both of your lives better by experiencing sexual pleasure. Next, Next, until Sex.

The number of rejections I got today is?..

[drymarro]

(10-05-2011 02:51 AM)BUCK Wrote:  

"If you are going to achieve goals you have never achieved before, you must do what you have never done before." (Push yourself to fail often, because if you want to succeed big, you have to fail big). Do actions towards your goal every day and go out and fail a lot (get MANY rejections). A key to success is massive failure (get MANY rejections). To achieve more success (BANGS), go out and get more failures (rejections). No longer fear rejections, they are part of the process. Your desire for sex is much greater than any fear of rejections. Set a goal for the number of rejections you want each day. Like getting rejections because it is proof that you are taking actions towards your next BANG. If you have a friend see who can get the most rejections this week (or who can get their next BANG the quickest). How MANY rejections can you get today/this week/this month?

You are out to find the girls that are interested in BANGING. You may have to go through a bunch that are not interested to find the girls who want to BANG. When you find these girls that want to have sex, you are making both of your lives better by experiencing sexual pleasure. Next, Next, until Sex.

The number of rejections I got today is?..

although your headed in the right direction you want to be able to improve yourself and you're not aiming to get rejected cuz if you do then you're not going to get bangs.. but just be ready to get rejected and accept it as an accomplishment in itself..

I'm curious.. where do you game and do you do day game? Give us a rundown on how you spit game.

[BUCK]

Hey, thanks for the comments so we can both point out that (as we both know) the point/goal is to NOT get rejected. This is a Newbie forum, and the poster said they have a fear of rejection, so my sentences were just a few mind strategies for a beginner to overcome Approach Anxiety/fear of rejection. This was similar to Day Bang saying to visualize the worst case that could happen, then get over it because it's not going to be that bad in reality. Thus, NO we don't want rejections, but we are going to get rejected sometimes (Day Bang says during the day that we will probably get rejected at least 60% to 80%) so there is no reason to FEAR rejections. My suggestions were for a beginner as one way to overcome the fear they said they had, because if you make it sort-of "fun" then you can just go out there and be more relaxed and more confident and do more approaches in the real world that he likely would not have done before, and thus the interactions will go better than they would have and he will get better results than he would have. It is NOT about standing there and saying Reject me because I want more Rejections to obtain my goal for the number of Rejections. It is about if you are getting more rejections, then you are probably doing more approaches (in a more confident/relaxed/masculine vibe way), and thus get more bangs (as Roosh has said about for beginners to play the numbers game to get more experiences to learn from. Then, to improve we can ask ourselves, What worked and got results? and What did not go well? and What can I do to improve? Therefore, what I initially said (as a quick side suggestion because the poster mentioned it) was just about a tactic to not worry about the reactions a girl may have, just go out there and make some Openers and do NOT have a fear of rejection (they will happen sometimes). Plus, as Roosh says in Day Bang, with the "Elderly Opener" it's to start an innocent conversation, and then we can figure out her level of interest and go from there. Then, after some experiences to learn from, a beginner can do what Roosh said about looking for receptive targets (girls who appear interested). Then, forget all about rejections, and focus on the the real goal of, The number of Bangs I got this month is?... I'm certain this makes my suggestion for a beginner to not fear rejections more clear.

I personally have NO "approach anxiety" or "fear of rejections" at all. I enjoy starting conversations and interacting with women. Yes, I run a lot of Day Game and girls are very receptive to me and they like talking with me. I Day Game in stores, malls, food venues, and other places. My Day Game is usually slightly quicker than Day Bang because most of my interactions take about 5 to 10 minutes. My current Day Game that works for me is basically: Approach/Open, Invite. That is: A/O, I. This is being Indirect to A/O, and slightly Direct in I. The A is to usually gradually/naturally get near a girl such as, when walking through a store to get within talking range (sometimes they walk over to me). The O is usually anything Situational or a Prop she has/anything in the area to talk about or I have been asking girls for years if they have any pets because I have a genuine interest in pets and we could see each others pets or maybe something she is wearing or if she knows about something about something in that store/place. Finally, I is Invite (I usually don't ask for a phone number right off), I will say I am going to an event/a casino/a lounge/a bar/etc... at X time on Y day/night... and ask if she would like to go, if she says no then I say I will see her around to keep it open so I could invite her again another day, if she says YES then I will pick her up or plan to meet at that time/place (first date with a good chance of a few drinks) and maybe only get her phone number if it is to call her to set up the date if we didn't have the time to set it up right at that moment. For me this all natural and fun to run Day Game.

Thanks again for your follow up comments here. It's been cool interacting with you on this Roosh Forum.

As for the "Hierarchy of Game Ideas" at the top has to be, "The goal of Game is to BANG." The goal of GAME is your cock in her mouth and in her pussy. Game on!!

[soup]

I think the highest goal of game is actually to get what you want or need when you want it. This is something you can feel- "I'm not getting what I want." Sometimes I don't know what I want, just that I'm not getting it.

I guess I'm looking for easy to remember overall mantras/concepts from which all the other stuff flows.

One that I forgot to include:

Life is short.

[drymarro]

(10-05-2011 03:11 PM)BUCK Wrote:  

Hey, thanks for the comments so we can both point out that (as we both know) the point/goal is to NOT get rejected. This is a Newbie forum, and the poster said they have a fear of rejection, so my sentences were just a few mind strategies for a beginner to overcome Approach Anxiety/fear of rejection. This was similar to Day Bang saying to visualize the worst case that could happen, then get over it because it's not going to be that bad in reality. Thus, NO we don't want rejections, but we are going to get rejected sometimes (Day Bang says during the day that we will probably get rejected at least 60% to 80%) so there is no reason to FEAR rejections. My suggestions were for a beginner as one way to overcome the fear they said they had, because if you make it sort-of "fun" then you can just go out there and be more relaxed and more confident and do more approaches in the real world that he likely would not have done before, and thus the interactions will go better than they would have and he will get better results than he would have. It is NOT about standing there and saying Reject me because I want more Rejections to obtain my goal for the number of Rejections. It is about if you are getting more rejections, then you are probably doing more approaches (in a more confident/relaxed/masculine vibe way), and thus get more bangs (as Roosh has said about for beginners to play the numbers game to get more experiences to learn from. Then, to improve we can ask ourselves, What worked and got results? and What did not go well? and What can I do to improve? Therefore, what I initially said (as a quick side suggestion because the poster mentioned it) was just about a tactic to not worry about the reactions a girl may have, just go out there and make some Openers and do NOT have a fear of rejection (they will happen sometimes). Plus, as Roosh says in Day Bang, with the "Elderly Opener" it's to start an innocent conversation, and then we can figure out her level of interest and go from there. Then, after some experiences to learn from, a beginner can do what Roosh said about looking for receptive targets (girls who appear interested). Then, forget all about rejections, and focus on the the real goal of, The number of Bangs I got this month is?... I'm certain this makes my suggestion for a beginner to not fear rejections more clear.

I personally have NO "approach anxiety" or "fear of rejections" at all. I enjoy starting conversations and interacting with women. Yes, I run a lot of Day Game and girls are very receptive to me and they like talking with me. I Day Game in stores, malls, food venues, and other places. My Day Game is usually slightly quicker than Day Bang because most of my interactions take about 5 to 10 minutes. My current Day Game that works for me is basically: Approach/Open, Invite. That is: A/O, I. This is being Indirect to A/O, and slightly Direct in I. The A is to usually gradually/naturally get near a girl such as, when walking through a store to get within talking range (sometimes they walk over to me). The O is usually anything Situational or a Prop she has/anything in the area to talk about or I have been asking girls for years if they have any pets because I have a genuine interest in pets and we could see each others pets or maybe something she is wearing or if she knows about something about something in that store/place. Finally, I is Invite (I usually don't ask for a phone number right off), I will say I am going to an event/a casino/a lounge/a bar/etc... at X time on Y day/night... and ask if she would like to go, if she says no then I say I will see her around to keep it open so I could invite her again another day, if she says YES then I will pick her up or plan to meet at that time/place (first date with a good chance of a few drinks) and maybe only get her phone number if it is to call her to set up the date if we didn't have the time to set it up right at that moment. For me this all natural and fun to run Day Game.

Thanks again for your follow up comments here. It's been cool interacting with you on this Roosh Forum.

As for the "Hierarchy of Game Ideas" at the top has to be, "The goal of Game is to BANG." The goal of GAME is your cock in her mouth and in her pussy. Game on!!

this.

[WesternCancer]

I find some of these ideas are hard to understand unless you feel them for yourself. Yeah the main goal is to get the bang, but the mentality associated with game is essential to have your game flow and be natural. Just today I experienced "abundance mentality" for the first time. One of my FBs bootycalled me, I wasn't super into it but went regardless. I show up she starts subtly calling a man whore/STI ridden (I asked her to join me and a girl on tuesday for a 3some, guess she didn't like me asking, only liked talking about it) I tell her I can't be considered a man-whore until after my 3some that I'll be having once I get back to my home town, she looks disgusted tells me shes not going down on me without a condom, I say she's overreacting and I'm leaving. I turn around and walk out her door. By the time I get to the front door she's half naked begging me to come back and is rubbing herself on me. The sex was good.

Regardless this encounter illustrates a few of the crucial concepts of game. One being abundance mentality and another being the fucked up nature of women. Any wimp beta who somehow managed to be in the same situation would give in and sure he'd get laid, I think its the fact that the woman throws herself at you if your game is tight. The world of the red pill is getting more and more interesting.

[soup]

Yes, women are binary. It's either "Yes, let's go" or "fuck you hell no."

I've never been good at slow boiling, so this is my experience.

That said, I'm starting to think the real adversary is inner game. Women are a celebratory aftermath of winning this battle.

[Sphere]

(10-14-2011 02:14 AM)soup Wrote:  

Yes, women are binary. It's either "Yes, let's go" or "fuck you hell no."

I've never been good at slow boiling, so this is my experience.

That said, I'm starting to think the real adversary is inner game. Women are a celebratory aftermath of winning this battle.

So very much THIS.

BTW, soup, I love the way you are hashing out your ideas on the forum. You've started some interesting threads and gotten some valuable comments. Here's hoping you're equally fearless in your approaches.

[Batata]

I don't think one should aim for or even expect rejection.

"Experience is the teacher of the lazy mind."

That's a good quote to operate by. I find when I get rejected, it greatly contributes detracts from my confidence and, hence, my ability to game properly and consistently. Be selective about your targets so that you don't skip into a gauntlet-type set where you have few, if any, opportunities to even open a conversation.

If you're going in with a defeatist's attitude ("I'm probably gonna get rejected"), you won't put in the extra energy to stimulate or save a conversation should those scenarios arise. Negativity only attracts more negativity.

[soup]

Getting what you want, when you want it, done so with the least amount effort = living in a state of grace.

This is the core. Getting there takes practice, obviously. That said, you can apply this to all levels of game. So, if you're just starting out, the thing to do is re-define your immediate goals. You aren't going to hit a high value chick in the beginning. So, it's probably best to make what you want two things: immediate gratification (lower value chicks), and eventual access to better experiences (higher value girls), always keeping an eye out for game worm-holes, or anything that can get get you on the expedited line for the best pussy.

[Giovonny]

(10-29-2011 02:39 AM)soup Wrote:  

keeping an eye out for game worm-holes

Soup,

Did you have any "game worm holes" ?

I'm trying to think if I had any..?

[el mechanico]

(10-29-2011 02:30 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(10-29-2011 02:39 AM)soup Wrote:  

keeping an eye out for game worm-holes

Soup,

Did you have any "game worm holes" ?

I'm trying to think if I had any..?

I think I was in one for about an hour yesterday. I didn't know what to do.
I didn't freeze but also in retrospect didn't think I made the right choice.

[Giovonny]

(10-29-2011 02:39 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(10-29-2011 02:30 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(10-29-2011 02:39 AM)soup Wrote:  

keeping an eye out for game worm-holes

Soup,

Did you have any "game worm holes" ?

I'm trying to think if I had any..?

I think I was in one for about an hour yesterday. I didn't know what to do.
I didn't freeze but also in retrospect didn't think I made the right choice.

? What happened?

[el mechanico]

(10-29-2011 03:03 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(10-29-2011 02:39 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(10-29-2011 02:30 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(10-29-2011 02:39 AM)soup Wrote:  

keeping an eye out for game worm-holes

Soup,

Did you have any "game worm holes" ?

I'm trying to think if I had any..?

I think I was in one for about an hour yesterday. I didn't know what to do.
I didn't freeze but also in retrospect didn't think I made the right choice.

? What happened?

Well, this girl came into work and started drinking smirnoffs and gigling at about 5pm. she invited me to go to a b-day party with her and I told her she had to come to my house while I shower. This other girl was sending me slutty pics of her playing in the dressing room of the retail store she works at the same time and asked me to stop by for a drink at her place.This other skank called me and said she had a break and wanted to "smoke" at my house. This other girl was sending " I want to fuck tonight"
messages and another who promised a threesome last week after I fucked her was asking me what I was doing later..All within 20 minutes..

I didn't know what to do. meanwhile i'm trying to sell a ford van to some brazilian dudes who don't speak english.

The worm-hole opened and closed. I ended up at happyhour with my cousin for a few drinks and some time to re-group and organize my files.
Yea I got laid but not by my first choice. I would of had to drive 15 miles to get at her and she was a moving target.

[soup]

Yes, I believe I was in one last spring. I picked up two women at a bar on a Saturday and threesomed them all night. I had to work an event on Sunday, and was getting vibes from a lot of the chicks on staff and one of the clients. One of the waitresses gave me her number kind of out of the blue, and that night I picked up a girl off street and fucked her.

This felt like a planets-aligning kind of moment- a peek into the world of Alpha.

At one point earlier in the year, I was simultaneously dating 3-4 girls and there were days where I'd be fucking one in the morning and another at night.

I'd say most of these girls were mid-range, some higher, some lower. Didn't quite brake through to the quality I'm after, but it was fucking strange for me. Like "Wow, there really is this secret other way of being."

Then summer came and I lost it.

Starting to get some back- a couple of Saturday nights ago, I initiated a chat with a girl on OKcupid who'd I never spoke to. Everything lined up, and I was fucking her within the hour. This was interesting because my OKcupid game sucks.

Anyway, I'm like a cat who had taste of real turkey, now know that it exists, and .. holy crap I just got booty called as I'm writing this! Anyway, I want the real turkey.

[Prowl]

(10-14-2011 10:35 AM)Batata Wrote:  

I don't think one should aim for or even expect rejection.

"Experience is the teacher of the lazy mind."

^^
I like this.

I try to be indifferent towards rejection, but I certainly don't open with the mentality that I expect it. In some cases I will push when I KNOW I'm going to get rejected, but only because I feel that certain kinds of blowouts can be beneficial to the learning process, and I'd rather an interaction burn out than fade away.

As for the "experience" quote, I agree completely. Drive the interaction, if you're going to get rejected, force her into a position where she has to reject you dramatically (or otherwise on your terms). Always be in control, always be pushing her towards some conclusion or other. If you just go in passively and figure "if I do this often enough, I'll learn something", you might, but you'll learn slower than those people who are staying in the driver's seat.

[soup]

Roosh's latest post is great, and I think it fits into the list of important game ideas.

"In theory, with relative standards I should be getting laid the same amount anywhere I go."

This has been a major block for me. As I've been getting better at game, my standards are getting higher.

"To fuck hot girls, you must fuck lesser girls to properly play the bell curve game. I’m fucked hotter girls than most men, but I’ve fucked some hogs as well. I’ve fucked them all."

I am interested in how this relates to social-circle game. Can it get in the way of getting hotter girls: "oh he's that pick-up artist guy who bangs swamp donkeys," or help by generating a sense of pre-selection?

[StraightMackin]

approach more, get laid more

people who get rejected the most also get laid the most (you just dont know they get rejected)

its a numbers game, cop and blow.