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11-12-2018, 02:14 PM
I actually get a fair shake from white women despite the notion going around that they are supposed to care a lot about race. From what I have witnessed, white women just want guys that look good and have game, social status is obviously a boost too and environment might impact things to a degree. Obviously there will be a natural preference towards white guys but if you have your shit together and look good enough, you can do well with hot white girls.
I've actually noticed that Latinas, Middle Eastern women and especially Asian women are far more selective and picky about things like race and skin color, they're a lot more shallow in general too. You don't even have to be good looking as a white guy to get hot girls from those groups as having things like blue eyes and/or blond hair will seal the deal. Then on the flip side a handsome ethnic guy is being rejected because she has an identity crisis or feels that he isn't helping her climb the social ladder.
Now I get why everyone wants to label white women as the devil, as a guy if I was in a situation where ethnic girls were getting on both knees for me because my eyes were blue I would give white women the big middle finger as well, but the truth is if you are doing poorly in attracting white girls its your looks and game. Black and white girls are probably the most forgiving of your race if you have your shit together.
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11-12-2018, 09:57 PM
Real story, a couple weeks ago in a bar that I normally frequent, a young guy, certainly less than 30 yo, he looked Indian or Pakistani, pulled up some white woman, also a tourist, she had a lovely dress, and had a long and well treated blonde hair, it was truly a delight for both of them, they where making out like there was no tomorrow, all was passion, and lust, a strong desire, plenty of intimacy, real romance... I was seriously in shock...
...because she was probably around 70 yo.
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11-13-2018, 12:49 AM
^^^It doesn't matter the age as long as she is white!
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11-13-2018, 04:58 AM
I imagine brown=Indian. This thread can only come from an Indian.
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11-13-2018, 11:42 PM
Real question is why you're trying to go after women who automatically dismiss you based on race. It's Toronto. There are millions of women of every ethnicity there. There are hot Tamil girls. There are hot Trinidadian girls. There are hot Asian girls. There are hot South American girls. There are international women from every corner of the world. There are even hot ethnic European girls from what I gather if you're into white women in particular.
Part of success in game and in life is knowing where you'll do well. I'll give you an example. Three years ago I was at a majority black hip hop club. I tried spitting game and got blown out hard. The girls there barely looked at me. There were a couple thugged out, well connected black guys there who were monopolizing the hottest girls. I got absolutely nowhere. I think one girl there danced with me out of pity.
A year later, I landed up in Los Angeles. I was living near a large school, and would run into tons of students on my walk to my BJJ/boxing class. It being Los Angeles, there were some gorgeous black girls there. I ended up approaching a couple -- daygaming them as a random guy -- and had great success. I FWB'ed a beautiful African girl who dated a ball player before me. I hooked up with a hot black girl studying film, an extremely attractive Moroccan girl, and a cute black girl from Wyoming.
Moral of the story is -- get in where you fit in. I could have kept going to that one hip hop club, get blown out, and complain on the internet about it. Instead, once I changed my location, I found that I was having great success with that same demographic and capitalized on it. Black girls in the city where I went to the hip hop club were impossible for me. Black girls in Los Angeles were not at all. The issue obviously isn't racism, it's just that different women in different locations have different preferences and different vibes. And for all I know, I was just at the hip hop club on an off night -- had I gotten lucky with a girl there, I wouldn't even be writing this post.
All I'm saying is, don't overthink it. If you want quality girls, there are definitely quality girls out there in Toronto from a variety of ethnicities. You just have to figure where and how you'll best be able to meet them. And I have to say, you don't want to be with or even just sleep with a woman who only likes you because you have friends of her race. Apart from getting your nut, you don't at all win from such an experience. Life isn't about trying to fuck as many girls as possible regardless of their quality as people, it's about finding the PEOPLE you actually like and connect with.
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11-14-2018, 02:53 PM
I genuinely feel like a lot of the extreme thirst for white women out there comes from porn.
I can't even really blame colonialism, because its not like first-generation ethnic immigrants in the nineties were thirsting after white girls. My dad and his friends could have given a fuck about white girls -- all their beauty standards growing up were from their ethnicity. Even though their home country was colonized, they didn't obsess over white girls the way people do now. Some people from their generation married white women. Their parents (my grandparents) disapproved at first -- eventually those couples were accepted and treated normally. Conversely, a lot of immigrants and non-whites these days seem to see white women as a step up -- a status symbol to be achieved. Weirdly enough, non-white immigrants seemed to have a healthier view of white women back in the 70's, 80's, and 90's than they do now.
There are a lot of reasons for this, but the spread of accessible pornography is easily the biggest one. You can jerk off to porn once or twice a day, every day, for years upon end -- all for free. You have access to an enormous library of erotic media -- millions of attractive women getting undressed and fucked. This is something unprecedented in human history -- the fact that it would warp people's psychology is obvious and well documented.
I think this extends to racial preferences as well. The vast, vast majority of pornstars out there are white, with Asians coming in at a distant second and Latinas at an even more distant third. Yeah, there are a couple pornstars like Asa Akira or Mia Khalifa out there, but a good 95% of the porn that men watch features white women. To me, it's pretty obvious -- if you've had millions of orgasms to a woman of a particular race, you'd probably be more attracted to women of that race. It's Pavlovian conditioning. If every single pornstar out there was black, attractive black girls would be pedestalized beyond belief. I've seen guys who thought attractive black, Indian, or Latina women were less attractive than decidedly average white women. I can't help but think that porn plays a huge role in this.
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11-14-2018, 02:56 PM
^^^Don't forget Movies and TV shows.
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11-14-2018, 03:17 PM
I doubt brown guy has bad results with brown women.
I am leaving this thread.
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11-14-2018, 03:40 PM
Quote: (11-14-2018 02:56 PM)Kish Wrote:
^^^Don't forget Movies and TV shows.
Yeah, but porn has a bigger influence on people's sexuality than movies/TV do. Exclusively watching BET wouldn't make me want to bang black girls as much as exclusively watching ebony porn once a day, every single day, for years out of my life. If you've watched porn on average once a day for ten years, you've had 3,650 orgasms, most of which were to white women. This is significantly more than the number of actual orgasms that the average man has had with women period, let alone the number of orgasms people have while watching YouTube videos (as far as I know most people aren't jerking off to BET, the news, or fail compilations on YouTube).
I think TV has a bigger influence on women's preferences than men's. I'm sure the black characters in shows like New Girl, the multitude of black football players, etc have all given black men a leg up with women in terms of positive stereotypes.
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11-14-2018, 06:39 PM
Quote: (11-14-2018 05:50 PM)EndsExpect Wrote:
This is turning into a really interesting discussion.
A lot of people will be quick to shit on posters like the OP, but I think that posts like his reveal really fascinating aspects of social dynamics and psychology. I definitely look at white women a little differently now. I had a phase where all I wanted (as a minority) was white girls, but my experiences hooking up with them in college were so underwhelming that I started to question my preferences. It made me realize how much the average guy inflates their looks, and IMO, porn is the biggest culprit of this.
With that being said there are some gorgeous white girls out there, and I may think differently if I ever got with one. The hottest white girl I ever pulled was a 7 and a little more "alternative". I honestly never had luck with the sorority types beyond makeouts. I focused my efforts on ethnic girls who I knew would give me a better return on my time.
Quote: (11-14-2018 05:50 PM)EndsExpect Wrote:
It is my personal perspective that a good chunk of white people have serious issues with race. I mean significantly worse than pretty much any other group.
Could you elaborate on this?
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11-15-2018, 12:02 AM
Guys like white women because white women are numerous and in most parts of the country, most of the good looking women you run into are going to be white. Go to most upscale areas of major cities, there are bars and nightclubs that are loaded with good looking women and most of them are white. So no need to attack a guy for his preference, its because most good looking women in the western world are white. Then top all that off with the fact that the ethnic women who are in those areas will be following what the dominant group (white women) there do.
It takes a lot for us these days to admit that we want the hottest, sexiest and most desirable women out there. As guys we naturally want to taste all the races whether it is out of curiosity or for an ego boost, its how we are deep down. I am seeing how this thread has played out and guys who have failed with white women in the past are somehow concerned or troubled by other guys preferring them. Is anyone else seeing this shit play out?
I get how we want to tie society into our struggles, I've done it countless times recently with ethnic women and I look back thinking to myself what was going through my mind. Truthfully its because white, black and to some extent Asian women have always treated me well while I had the worst experiences with brown women of all kinds. My struggle is the exact opposite of OP and most guys on this thread.
But now I am almost glad it troubles me because it is an invitation to get better.
You should learn to frame your struggles differently instead of being bitter over them. If you don't do well with a certain race of women but have a thing for them, try to improve yourself or adapt your game to where you can have success. I don't see the point in living such a lie that you go for certain kinds of women when deep down you are aroused by one kind of look. That goes both ways.
Guys who want white girls for a status boost or to cure some racial insecurity are just as flawed as minorities who avoid white women because of massive insecurity and misplaced pride in your race which is being used to disguise past failure you still have not mentally recovered from.
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11-15-2018, 08:27 AM
Am I the only shortish (5'8) brown guy who loves black, Asian and brown women, and who is barely attracted to white women?
You brown brothers need to start stepping to black women..maybe not American ones, but others. They are awesome
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11-15-2018, 12:04 PM
Its not tough to get these women as a brown guy if you have your shit on point, it really isn't. You are helped by the fact that you are a hot commodity once you do get to that point because most men of your race don't put in that much work to game related things. By just looking good, not having an accent, getting the hygiene handled and showing that you are assimilated into western culture you have some options.
You notice this over the years as you see that most brown guys aren't getting shit but the ones who are having success are having some serious success. I think its because the women who might have a thing for the whole exotic look don't really have many options compared to a woman with a thing for white or black guys. Looking around, I rarely see that many brown guys with their shit on point, less so than any other race out there.
If you're brown, capitalize on this very thing, there is some real opportunity out there for you to clean up.