[Prince Charming]

I used seductive reasoning for about 8 years being strictly polyamorous. For ANY type of relationship trust and respect are vital to maintain

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1R-hxqhJls8&t=9s

at this point im less rigid with what type of relationship I want and it is rare a girl does not feel the og player vibe within a few min so I have to be less proactive about setting proper expectations

[maharajj]

(01-08-2019 10:14 PM)Waqqle Wrote:  

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Besides, if she is not in a committed relationship with you, and even if she is, don't assume you are the only guy she is in communication with. Females never conduct themselves without backups and orbiters waiting in the wings (often these are her male "friends" and any other non-family male names in her contact lists). This is why, whenever a female initiates a breakup with a guy, she is back in the game. Females never leave themselves completely open and optionless the way most males do.

(01-08-2019 10:14 PM)Waqqle Wrote:  

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If you are dealing with a female, especially in a Western country (I see a Dutch flag next to your name), operate on the assumption that you are just the guy she is seeing right now and not the only one she is seeing this week/month. "She is not yours, it is just your turn" as they say. Unless you have made an explicit verbal agreement to be committed and exclusively faithful to a female in exchange for her doing the same for you, no such agreement exists and it is best to assume that it has not crossed her mind and to not bring it up. You are not responsible for a woman's emotions unless you have made some kind of agreement to be, which would be crazy given how fickle and beyond your control they are. What sort of masochist would make himself responsible for something entirely outside of his control? Don't put that on yourself, man.

Fantastic!

This is exactly what I experienced. Felt uneasy and angry at first, but eventually started seeing multipe girls myself. Lost a few girls who wanted to lock me down, but I am much happier because of this experience.

I think that it is the women who, irrespective of the outcome, will end up losing the most in the so-called gender war

[BaatumMania]

It works both ways. If I dedicate all my time to dating then I can micro-manage 6 girls and it usually works out fine (have use a lot of cancellation excuses though). Likewise I feel a lot of women are doing this in liberal countries 2018. It's kind of obvious when a woman claims she can only see me biweekly or once a month. I would rather have clingy FWBs but I can't seem to find that kind of girl in Taiwan.

[Hypno]

She's not yours, its just your turn.

[BasketBounce]

This thread makes me want to go out and get a new plate. Had an SNL a few weeks back that would have been plate #3, but haven’t heard from her in a while.

I learned my lesson in college — even if you are giving a girl great sex consistently, she will either leave or try to lock you down. If she doesn’t try to lock you down, she is fucking other guys and will swing to the next dick eventually.

Accept it, and keep chasing tail. The game doesn’t care about your feelings, it is what it is.

[BaatumMania]

(01-11-2019 07:18 AM)Hypno Wrote:  

She's not yours, its just your turn.

Forget who coined this sentence but it kind of summarizes a lot of women in 2019. I would be super surprised if a woman under 25 was monogamous with a man.

[AntoniusofEfa]

It is not just about you, but also about your location. If you live in a mostly female student town in NL, let's say, Nijmegen, and you are well connected, I am sure that you will get many lays. However, if you live in a village somewhere, then the population density and demographic structure will not allow you to have much chance to do anything. As the saying goes: location, location, location.

[Hypno]

(01-13-2019 06:39 PM)AntoniusofEfa Wrote:  

It is not just about you, but also about your location. If you live in a mostly female student town in NL, let's say, Nijmegen, and you are well connected, I am sure that you will get many lays. However, if you live in a village somewhere, then the population density and demographic structure will not allow you to have much chance to do anything. As the saying goes: location, location, location.

There is a lesson here for you:

[Waqqle]

I have had up to 14 plates spinning at once myself (I was testing a system I had come up with - It worked too well). It should of course go without saying that I was not working during that time and it will be virtually impossible for you to manage such a number if you have anything else at all going on in your life (work, studies, travel, rest, etc.). Even if you can logistically pull off spinning such a high number of plates at once, I recommend that you not do that to yourself because those females will consume absolutely all of your time and it will become annoying because you will find that you do not get anything done and you will just keep having the same empty conversation and running through the same patterns with each girl every day, one after the other. This is a pretty fast and reliable way to burn yourself out to the point where you will want to take a month off to go live in a quiet village or monastery somewhere and be away from women entirely.

Each one of those females is likely going to text/call/voice message you several times a day at different times, you are going to forget what you said to each of them and may mix your conversations up (thus creating confusion that will take more of your time to resolve), meeting all of them regularly will be nigh impossible unless you are meeting 2+ girls every day as there are only 7 days in a week, you'll be constantly scouting and gaming new plates to replace the ones that fall for whatever reason, you will be constantly distracted by whatever drama they try to subtly inject into your life throughout the day, etc. Repeat: All of your time. One reason I generally dislike online dating is the tendency that I, and probably most other men, have to fall into this sort of pattern when utilizing online dating systems.

Females can very often handle spinning such a large number of plates and even going higher than 14 (I've seen it) because they do not have to put any real work or thought into anything since the impetus to initiate and the burden of performance are all on you and all a female really has to do is budget the time and not completely let herself go. Females are also sex objects whereas males are generally success objects. As a male, you will be judged worthy or unworthy for mating primarily based upon a female's assessment of your success level relative to all of the other guys she thinks she has a shot with. Nice clothes, nice shoes, nice hair, good grooming, ability to pay for things, ability to easily transport yourself around, ability to afford living in a particular part of town, etc. All of these things are indicators of your success relative to other men because all of these things cost money to acquire and maintain. You are not a female so I recommend against trying to be as non-monogamous as they often are simply because it will consume all of your time until you are eventually unable to maintain those status indicators I just mentioned because you are losing all of your time and not getting anything done.

3-5 plates at a time is a good number if you want to actually have a life outside of only dealing with females. If you choose to be in an LTR (including marriage), I recommend keeping 2-5 other plates spinning so that you don't become desperate and easy to manipulate. This does not necessarily mean being sexual with those other plates as they can just be females your have friend-zoned in the same way that females friend-zone guys in order to keep them around in case they need a rebound after a breakup/separation or something else (a should to cry on, heavy objects to move, a free meal, a free ride somewhere, etc.).

Again, it is important to remember that you are not dealing with traditional girls who want to be virgin brides, get married with their parents' consent as soon as they are legally allowed to in their country, be loyal housewives who don't work outside the home, and lovingly raise the children that they had only with the man they married whom they honor and respect. Those women are un-gameable and it is likely that you have never encountered one. You are dealing with modern secular women who want to ride the carousel with bastards like us before settling down in their late 20's or 30s once their SMV starts plummeting with a well-to-do beta who will be blissfully unaware of their nature and of their past or a burnt-out alpha who does not have enough energy left to play frame games and react to her relentless shit tests but who is also too tired and jaded to ditch her and start gaming ferociously like he did back before he hit his maximum novelty notch mark and started getting diminishing returns and whom she can begin to neglect and/or ditch just like the beta as soon as she has secured the number of children and quantity of resources she desires.

maharajj Wrote:

I think that it is the women who, irrespective of the outcome, will end up losing the most in the so-called gender war.

Men did not create the Game. Women did and they are the dungeon masters who decide what the rules are and who use their beta hordes to enforce those rules on the few men who are aware. We are the guys who choose to play rather than become permanent incels by withdrawing or be shut down by the betas for trying to flip the table and set up a different game. Don't feel guilty. We did not create this system. We just happened to be born into this dystopian gynocentric Matrix, we can't unplug all of the blue-pill betas to start a revolution, and, until a blue-piller is unplugged, he will fight to protect the Matrix. It's not a matter of fighting back and making feminists or women pay for anything. It's about surviving this anti-sane artificial reality and doing what you've got to do to not be destroyed by it.

[Distant Light]

Didn't read through thread so...

Sex is FUN, has no other meaning

Most chicks won't care when there was nothing beyond FUN. I don't go on dates, don't text back and forth...Either going out to have fun or I'm coming over for a session.

Also many chicks if I see again we hookup 1x every 1-6 months. Ironically this created a ridiculous illusion if I'm not banging them I must be whoring it up...When in reality sometimes life detours cause me to retreat within myself.

I've come to realize many times I've been baited BUT I am such a "don't give a fuck" kind of person that I ignore such things. After having a relationship for 3 years NO WAY I will ever be monogamous again, total stress, drama and poison of PEACE

It's just so wrong where such a dynamic will take you. For awhile I became very bitter about the world BUT that's a whole different discussion.

Humans like to fuck, so have fun, FUCK

[jorge1]

i got few q for you guys then

this summer israel i managed to lay 36 girls (4) moths.
33 of them were tourists. only 3 israelis. since its summer i only focused on them, because its just easy to write two lines to meet them. i actully found that its allways easier to sleep with a girl when she is on vacation. its like a rule, she is more open minded.

my biggest problem however is with israelis, they allways, allmost asking me - what are u looking here.
i feel i have to lie in order to get laid every time, its hard to find a girl here that will accept to meet u on tinder if u did not answer that. (forget clubs, ratio is 80/20) and i have no ennergy.

i have notice that your game need to be adjusted to the country u are at. even in germany girls ask me if im tourist or living.

how do u answer this q without drama after??
when she asks u what u looking in tinder, what do i say? I tried ti write few things in mu bio like
loolking for adevnture
if you want to fuck a jew, here im
or some other sexy shit.
in israel and europe it reduce matchs by 80 %
girls dont like that shit here like america

so how u respresent your self seeking for sex without showing it??

[Waqqle]

(01-14-2019 06:31 PM)jorge1 Wrote:  

i got few q for you guys then

this summer israel i managed to lay 36 girls (4) moths.
33 of them were tourists. only 3 israelis. since its summer i only focused on them, because its just easy to write two lines to meet them. i actully found that its allways easier to sleep with a girl when she is on vacation. its like a rule, she is more open minded.

What kind of woman travels alone and why do they generally do so? Pondering that question and you will be able to come up with a number of reasons why they tend to be easier than if you had met them in their hometowns. Also, are you meeting these girls on Tinder or some other way?

[jorge1]

in all ways
some tinder, most i think on CS hangouts, some off the beach and some off beach walk.. one pulled one off club.

3 weeks ago i just stopped hot Chinese on beach walk and pulled her to my room. later she says she has bf and im her only 2nd

Some not travel alone, many travel with another friend or they came to visit friends here.
2 lays were virgins. (other Chinese and one russoin).
i had at least few lays that i was there 2nd guy. another russian (hot) - she gave me her first bj.
this girls are what u think good girls, never party or drug, never had many guys. they all fall for me on CS as im the nice israeli guy ( i never never host them)
yet many of them cheated on their bf with me,.
i really don't consider a girl low if she travels alone, one of them was german 8.5, damm she was hot. everybody looked at her while walking on street. i know she had fucked alot before me. but then she tried to lock me. that i will come to thailand travel with her

actully, all of this it made me feel worse about women.
even the best girl will cheap on some conditions

Im trying to understand your q, you basically say the women who ask me for serious questions are better level then the solo travelers?

[Waqqle]

All girls say that they are virgins, they don’t do this often, you are only their 2nd, etc. so I would not read too much into that. I’ve heard the same stuff before from girls I knew were lying.

What I mean when I tell you to ponder why a woman would travel alone is that girls travel often for the same reasons that men do. See the sights, eat the food, and bang the locals. Eat Pray Love. Virtually every girl traveling alone (especially Western girls) is trying to have their own version of the Eat Pray Love experience. If you are unfamiliar with Eat Pray Love, look up a plot summary and review online. This is very often still the case even if they are traveling with friends as the friends can be on the same page and looking for the same experiences.

I am not making a moral judgment or statement on how things should or should not be. That’s just the way it is. Girls know that the social consequences (gossip and so on) they might face if they hooked up with a stranger in their hometown don’t exist in a foreign country where nobody knows them and that all they have to do is look bangable and wait for a guy to take them. This is one of the main reasons I hear female travelers complain about Scandinavia and East Asia: they don’t get typically approached in these places. Whether they will admit it or not (they normally won’t), one of the big things women want and secretly look forward to when they travel is that Eat Pray Love “bang a stranger and then leave to never see him again or have anyone they know find out that they did” experience.

[DimeBait]

I love talking to women, debriefing them and understanding what hooked them after I smash. Overarching themes:
They like dominant men and want to feel "within someone else's control" (no matter what they say)

Stop making love to these bishes, instead, leave them with sore vaginas. They'll remember you for it, much longer than anything else

The bottom-line, be dominant yet altruistic, confident and lead her to where YOU want her to go.

[mataor]

(01-14-2019 11:41 PM)DimeBait Wrote:  

...
Stop making love to these bishes, instead, leave them with sore vaginas. They'll remember you for it, much longer than anything else
...

[CharmingPsychopath]

(01-08-2019 07:52 PM)Benjamin88 Wrote:  

Guys that have slept with hundreds of women, did they trick the women ?

The best seducer I have ever met, a natural with great results, told me clearly: "you have to lie to women".

He also told me things like: "If you can't lie to a woman, then you're a pussy".

I think he's position is extreme, he goes too far, but he's largely right. Because telling the girls what they want to hear, no matter if it's truth or not, simplifies matters a lot.

BTW Please remember that if a girl is hot, she's probably has at least one orbiter, who's unhappy because he wants to be with her, but isn't. And if she wants to have a stable relationship, then she can have it with him, which would make the unhappy man happy. So maybe instead of us showing compassion for her feelings, she should show compassion for his, huh?

[AntoniusofEfa]

(01-14-2019 07:29 PM)jorge1 Wrote:  

in all ways
some tinder, most i think on CS hangouts, some off the beach and some off beach walk.. one pulled one off club.

3 weeks ago i just stopped hot Chinese on beach walk and pulled her to my room. later she says she has bf and im her only 2nd

Some not travel alone, many travel with another friend or they came to visit friends here.
2 lays were virgins. (other Chinese and one russoin).
i had at least few lays that i was there 2nd guy. another russian (hot) - she gave me her first bj.
this girls are what u think good girls, never party or drug, never had many guys. they all fall for me on CS as im the nice israeli guy ( i never never host them)
yet many of them cheated on their bf with me,.
i really don't consider a girl low if she travels alone, one of them was german 8.5, damm she was hot. everybody looked at her while walking on street. i know she had fucked alot before me. but then she tried to lock me. that i will come to thailand travel with her

actully, all of this it made me feel worse about women.
even the best girl will cheap on some conditions

Im trying to understand your q, you basically say the women who ask me for serious questions are better level then the solo travelers?

Are you one of the few German Jews? I moved out of Israel. I did not find it to be a good place to run game. I think that going after mostly tourists is a viable strategy that you can keep up long term. The local women looked all too inbred for me anyway, which is probably not too far from the truth, due to the small genetic variety in the Jewish gene pool.

[quaker13]

(01-16-2019 08:15 PM)CharmingPsychopath Wrote:  

(01-08-2019 07:52 PM)Benjamin88 Wrote:  

Guys that have slept with hundreds of women, did they trick the women ?

The best seducer I have ever met, a natural with great results, told me clearly: "you have to lie to women".

He also told me things like: "If you can't lie to a woman, then you're a pussy".

I think he's position is extreme, he goes too far, but he's largely right. Because telling the girls what they want to hear, no matter if it's truth or not, simplifies matters a lot.

BTW Please remember that if a girl is hot, she's probably has at least one orbiter, who's unhappy because he wants to be with her, but isn't. And if she wants to have a stable relationship, then she can have it with him, which would make the unhappy man happy. So maybe instead of us showing compassion for her feelings, she should show compassion for his, huh?

It's not extreme, he's right. A lot of white knights on this board preach the virtuosity of women and will damn near try to get you banned for suggesting you lie to them. Women lie the sooner some men figure it out the better they will be in return

[jorge1]

i am a big very big manipulator actually.
this girls were not lieing,
when girl give u bj with teeth, be sure she did not do it all the time.
when she bleeds, and it takes you 40min just to enter your penis, im sure she was a virgin, she was not on period.

i had sex with few virgins in past, so i think i know...

[jorge1]

no, I'm just normal israeli.
I'm fucking mostly tourist, some israelis now but i have to lie to them
i think that if you success in game in israel then u will be good everywhere. its so hard here.
its like u say to guy that if he can't get laid in sea something is wrong with him, then be able to get laid its the opposite.
endless competition with barely few options so u need to be unique here.

to access israeli girls, and i say only while they r in israel.
you need to be israeli(it does not matter if u American jewish or any other jewish tourist)
then to lie to them that u want serious.
i think every 2nd women here say on tinder (only seriuos)

ofc the situation changes while u find israeli outside her country.
then she is the normal slut.

[heavy]

(01-17-2019 12:08 PM)quaker13 Wrote:  

(01-16-2019 08:15 PM)CharmingPsychopath Wrote:  

(01-08-2019 07:52 PM)Benjamin88 Wrote:  

Guys that have slept with hundreds of women, did they trick the women ?

The best seducer I have ever met, a natural with great results, told me clearly: "you have to lie to women".

He also told me things like: "If you can't lie to a woman, then you're a pussy".

I think he's position is extreme, he goes too far, but he's largely right. Because telling the girls what they want to hear, no matter if it's truth or not, simplifies matters a lot.

BTW Please remember that if a girl is hot, she's probably has at least one orbiter, who's unhappy because he wants to be with her, but isn't. And if she wants to have a stable relationship, then she can have it with him, which would make the unhappy man happy. So maybe instead of us showing compassion for her feelings, she should show compassion for his, huh?

It's not extreme, he's right. A lot of white knights on this board preach the virtuosity of women and will damn near try to get you banned for suggesting you lie to them. Women lie the sooner some men figure it out the better they will be in return

Seems to me it depends what you're lying about, and how good of a liar you are. If you're a really good liar, you probably won't be asking the question on this forum.

If you're wondering if you should lie to women, you probably aren't currently lying to women much at all, and you probably aren't good at it. If you start trying to lie to women, start with dumb stuff..
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Which leads really to approach bull-shit and talking, which is just Game with a capital G.

Generally, don't talk yourself up with lies, because...well don't talk yourself up at all.

I don't really give shit if guys wanna lie to bang women. If you're mis-calibrated it's not me or God or Jesus or your pastor who's gonna bring the heaviest judgement. It'll be that chick's pussy drying up as you watch her sweet tight little toosh walk away.

[Ouroboros]

(01-17-2019 12:08 PM)quaker13 Wrote:  

It's not extreme, he's right. A lot of white knights on this board preach the virtuosity of women and will damn near try to get you banned for suggesting you lie to them. Women lie the sooner some men figure it out the better they will be in return

Lying certainly helps, but one should know where to draw the line.

Some lies are inconsequential in that they don't really cause any harm, e.g. lying to a girl you merely hook up with about your job, height, age, life experiences, family situation etc. You're really just saying what is necessary for her to rationalise banging you, and she's probably no worse off for it (she might actually feel better about herself thinking that she banged a high value man).

On the other hand, saying to some desperately poor woman from the third world that you're going to marry her/take her away from her backwater country forever/look after her children and parents etc in order to get the bang and then ghost seems unethical to me.