[RDF]

Kaotic, if its a chick that I'm trying to bang that same night or within the next day or two (ie: meet her in Vegas on a Friday, trying to link on Sat to close the deal), then I completely agree, number is the way to go. When striking while iron is hot, no need to over complicate shit.

When I talk about pipelining, I'm talking more long-term, whether its setting up a date on a weekday, or perhaps a few weeks later. I can usually compartmentalize a girl into that category based on where we met, how interested she was, and how logistics line up.

In those cases, I think that IG has its benefits. My sample size is still reasonably small since I only began to mess with it early this year once I got my profile up to par, but so far, I have seen a small benefit to going with IG over numbers in terms of meeting with a girl later. With a number, you can grow stale since chances are she gave her # to multiple different dudes that weekend. With IG, she has a face to remember you by.

I'd say that a girl following you back is somewhat the equivalent of a girl answering your initial text. If she never follows you, she wasn't really interested. If she does, then you can slide in the DM and she will most likely answer.

Agree its best to have both, with the warmest approaches where I spend a lot of time with a girl who seems clearly down but logistics fuck up the same-night close, that happens sometimes too.

[kaotic]

That a fair assessment and rings true to my experiences with IG as far as flirting and getting girls to meet up later.

Usually I'm sending girls pics of shit I'm doing or memes to catch their attention via text, more personal.

Obviously alot easier for IG and you have more eyeballs on your photos.

[Dasein]

Phone is obviously better for going fast and getting the bang.

I think this comes down to sniper and shotgun game. For sniper game, you go for text. But for just girls you meet at parties or events, you can give IG and they can indicate further interest on their own. Having a good IG will probably help more with FWB replenishment/maintenance-- it gives girls an easy excuse to get back in touch if they suddenly have a spot in their pipeline that needs filling.

Getting ahead of the pack is more about persistence and effort. If you put in the time that other men don't, you get results that they don't. With IG, it's not about getting ahead of the pack, it's about getting not left behind. Being left behind is not good in this situation at all.

The biggest problem I had with Roosh's most recent book is that it completely ignores internet game, largely out of defiance and disdain. The information contained will still apply to offline dating, but online dating is not going away and has only been growing. For people in relationships, internet is already double the source of relationships as night game. The writing is on the wall and we can either be illiterate or be proactive. One approach will get more lays than the other.

[Rhyme or Reason]

@beer

Nothing you have said in this thread has anything to do with game. You make outlandish claims about the 'necessity' of IG without ever discussing the game aspect of it.

You seem desperate for approval and that you want to be seen as being wise. But you are not. You want to paint some bullshit blackpill picture for the other newbs here to buy into so they think you're smart. If you actually believe that you need IG presence to swoop girls in night or day game then you are far less experienced than you want others here to believe.

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I feel like we have to almost take the game discussion to another level, like there needs to be a revolution in regards to giving advice,

Nice try. But you are the last person qualified. I find this ironic, given what you go on to say right after that:

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but the one thing that is killing that revolution is the ego that guys who have done it a certain way for years have.

This reads like some Year Zero type shit. "We just never gave communism a try"

You hear that everyone? The only thing stopping this new wellspring of knowledge being dispensed is our big, mean EGOS!

You're the one with the massive ego, just look at your posts. Long, pedantic, pretentious, and frankly devoid of any real points other than to serve YOUR ego.

You derail every thread you post in (as i predicted) because you want ATTENTION.

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Unfortunately for most guys, this alpha lone-wolf mindset will just make you out to be a loner neckbeard, in b4 stories of the 1 in 1 million exception....

This is the most telling that you have absolutely no FUCKING CLUE what you're talking about.

This quote tells me you really have no idea what game even is.

Just be honest; you're scared to be that guy.

You've NEVER BEEN that guy who throws the rule book out the window, and marches to the beat of his own drum, that much is OBVIOUS. So don't even try to act like you've been there and done that, because I see right through your bullshit.

You lack life experience.

You are young and inexperienced, and not half as wise as you fancy yourself to be.

Learn your place.

[Teedub]

Rhyme, cheers for articulating a lot of my own irritation in a better way than I could myself. That said, beer and others do have value and I wouldn't be as harsh as you've been. It's a generational thing I think. I'm growing more and more comfortable in my age and dislike of social media preening etc, and girls of varying ages like my position, *especially* many younger ones (in work) because it's a contrast to the guys in their generation - I'll elaborate in a longer post in time.

[Skank_Hunt]

A short but simplistic answer would be that there is at best marginal benefit of having IG unless your IG is seriously in the top 1% or even less.

I can't help but at least emotionally gravitate towards the notion of a man being "scared" to be that lone wolf alpha/sigma or whatever you want to call it, by saying fuck that to ultimately feminine platforms such as IG. Though as far as objective results go, IG may help in some cases. For me, at the moment, both because I hate what social media/smartphones have done to women and because my IG would be shit, it's better for me to have no IG than try to wade against the current and try to force things. I'm better at and prefer in person stuff. Even if I have met a girl online I try to get her IRL ASAP.

And if you're banging a girl regularly, damn, direct, personal communication is expected, why would you relegate yourself to behaving like one of a girl's orbiters who hasn't banged her?

[Rhyme or Reason]

(09-14-2018 02:25 PM)Teedub Wrote:  

Rhyme, cheers for articulating a lot of my own irritation in a better way than I could myself. That said, beer and others do have value and I wouldn't be as harsh as you've been. It's a generational thing I think. I'm growing more and more comfortable in my age and dislike of social media preening etc, and girls of varying ages like my position, *especially* many younger ones (in work) because it's a contrast to the guys in their generation - I'll elaborate in a longer post in time.

I was harsh because of the arrogance displayed by beer. He is speaking from a false position of authority which, based on what he's posted in other threads, we know he doesn't have.

And about instagram: it's a vehicle for social proof. I get it. It's a way for her to vett you.

What the kiddo's don't seem to get is that it's far from the only way to be vetted and to display value.

In fact for anyone with real life social skills it's far down the list of effective "DHVs" (may allah forgive me for saying such cheezy PUA lingo)

[a beer is enough]

Now Rhyme has made this personal, apparently I hit a nerve and he has been at me this whole thread hurling insults but I'll take the high road for this post.....

I'll stay on my point about social media. Its common sense, you may think girls care a lot about that validation but even as a guy, you care about validation and the reputation when you buy shit.

Imagine going on a site and seeing that a product has hundreds of reviews giving it five stars, you're going to be more inclined to buy it.

In the old days, it might have been what your friend said about a product or a company that had an impact on your decision but in the current day, its what the image is. Hell, even on this forum you're more likely to read the posts that receive a lot of likes as opposed to those that receive none. That in its essence is social media game, that's it.

The way women evaluate men has become more or less the same, its status but the status has changed. Back in the day they might have relied more on what one of their friends said about him but now its more about what Instagram shows. These girls are literally going through Instagram to see who is doing cool shit with their lives and who they want to brag to their friends about. Who knows where the hottest parties are at or who has that popularity in their lives.

When a guy has thousands of people following him? He must be popular.

When his pics get over 100s of likes? Well I want to know why that many people are liking it.

I say this as a guy who has had it work against him and seen his close friends who had a strong social media account get the attention of hot girls who at least had to stop and ask how they get over 600 likes on a given photo or what the fuck they must be doing with their lives.

It might not get you a bang for that night but for some of the higher quality and hotter girls out there, this lack of popularity and status is going to bite you in the ass. Like with everything in life, there are ways around it but you're fighting one hell of an uphill battle.

[Philhuanch]

(09-13-2018 11:00 AM)btz Wrote:  

I've posted my 2 cents have been posted elsewhere so....

(01-16-2017 01:43 PM)btz Wrote:  

This won't be popular but I'll admit I fall under this generalization as well.

A good percentage of guys who have to learn game, probably 50%, are playing catch up in developing their social and dating skills because they weren't developed during their teen years. In turn this forces them into scripted stereotypes of PUAs (big hats and makeup, dark triad bad boy/fuck boy, spam approaching dancing monkey, gym bro whos only hobby is lifting, etc) and while you can get success with those types of "game" the issue is that women very easily compartmentalize guys and react accordingly. 90% of guys game is 1 dimensional so they only get 1 dimension of treatment from women. If they fall into any of the mentioned pua categories then 99% of the time it's terrible.

The same way guys know how to "game" certain types of girls (daddy issues, bottle rats, rave girls, etc) to get what they want (sex) women also know how to game PUA stereotypes to get what they want (attention, validation, free stuff) and the way they do that is with:

-lies
-cheating
-flaking
-stringing you along for attention
-etc

Think about it, if you were a girl and you wanted to get what you wanted and you knew the guy fell under one of the pua/player stereotypes how would you game them to maximize returns? By banging him the first hour or stringing him along to make him think he's almost there?

When women come across a guy whos "normal" or as the community likes to call it a "natural" (takes care of himself, has a grip on his career, has abundance, dresses sharp, has a multidimensional/interesting personality, knows when to be alpha, knows when to be "beta", knows when/how to flirt, lead, escalate, etc) she'll treat him like royalty because it'll be a good hookup and in her mind she's thinking "i'm almost there" in terms of commitment the same way the PUA is thinking about a hookup. It's game reversed on you.

For every guy who says "X western city has terrible women" i'm sure he knows at least 1 "natural" of equal looks and status who says the city has amazing women. That's because the "natural" isn't playing catch up and hasn't boxed himself in to 1 dimension of game with 1 dimension of treatment.

Don't get me wrong, certain cities have their own issues (toronto/DC SJWS, LA flaking, NYC 3 digit notch counts, etc) but those issues don't just apply to the women and there are plenty of good women to be found in those cities. Certain foreign cities do make it easier for a variety of reasons but the one thing they all have in common is that you're not like the local guys. And if you were to ask the local guys who fall into any PUA category they'll tell you the same, "the women here are terrible".

Given the option yes I'd choose Moscow over LA because it'll be 10x easier but when you hear "all the women in x city are trash" it's safe to say you're dealing with a guy who's still developing himself and hasn't calibrated his game yet.

(07-28-2018 11:15 AM)btz Wrote:  

Guys who refuse to have instagrams remind me of my older brother when he first got his cell phone, that thin motorola one that came out after the sidekick - i think it was called the razer v3. It was his first cell phone and he hated texting, for obvious reasons as it was new and annoying on whatever non-qwerty keyboards were called. He'd always tell girls "no i never text, just call me" as texting was picking up and everyone (especially girls) were using it. He was good looking enough to have girls text him, but he'd always ignore it and called right away instead and they'd cut the convos. Eventually he learned, women want to text so he has to text otherwise he's going to lose out to the guys who do text.

I don't like social media, don't like working out, don't like turning down pizza and donuts, don't like overpriced drinks and loud music, etc but certain things have to be tolerated.. If some guy came here and said he thinks texting is lame and stupid as many young guys 10-15 years ago believed everyone would rip the piss out of him for fucking up his own game over something so trivial. A bad instagram >>>>> no instagram. If you need an excuse just steal my buddies real excuse: "photography is something I've loved since a child but I never showed the tens of thousands of pictures I took to anyone, I wanted a hobby that was only for my enjoyment"

If you hate it so much that you can't stand to use it then fine I can respect that and even envy it to an extent because I don't enjoy it either, but lets not pretend it isn't a major blow almost as bad as a guy who prefers to use a landline over a cell phone. I'm sure some guys can work around it but IMO it requires far less effort to upload a picture every now and then and just get 100 or so followers by following friends of friends and family members.

Every girl is on instagram and they're all using it to filter out guys, not having one doesn't make you look like some lone wolf alpha is makes you look like a traveling snake oil salesman in the era of yelp. There is 0 reason for a girl to risk a lame date, bad sex, low status beta male, psychopath axe murderer, etc when she has the option of 10 other guys who are all socially vetted. Social media is a lot like texting, either jump on the train or get ran over like the guys who thought texting was for feminine faggots.

Lastly, female friends... get some. It's a radical concept in the manosphere where having female friends instantly makes you a dick sucking faggot for some reason, but many of them are pretty cool and great to hang out with. No, being their friend doesn't mean you turn into their beta bitch lap dog it just means you're their friend, just like one of the guys. The advantage is your social circle will grow dramatically because even a 2/10 blue haired dyke is going to have x10 the social abundance you ever will, i dgaf how good your game is you will never be on that level.

Somebody asked why every place they go to is a sausage fest? It's because the girls aren't going there anymore and if you had female friends you'd know all the spots and more importantly get invited to go out with them on a frequent basis since *true male friends* are so rare for women they highly value them. Just going to a venue that isn't 80% guys with the pre-selection of a girl is going to drastically increase the ease and quality of girls you meet.

I think this is absolutely spot on, especially the first quote.

I think we’re entering a world where the barriers of entry of an unvetted guy are much higher. Social circle has absolutely dominated all major western cities. We’re moving to a two tiered system, in the loop or out. I know exactly what Beer is referring to, in his New York setup. The irony to all the doom and gloom in this thread, is that I honestly believe that once you understand this dynamic that women’s standards aren’t necessarily higher. Though I agree that it’s getting harder and harder to penetrate these bubbles through cold approach or tinder without sky high SMV.

You want to be demonstrating a great mixed social group, where you all go out party, go to the beach, go to festivals, have lot of inside jokes, movie nights, stupid costumes on Halloween, travel. You don’t need to be on boat in the south of France. I’d rather 100 followers with great engagement and showing a solid social life than a weirdo with follow liker. Fun, carefree and being on the up and up is everything.

Also agree with beers observation that in the modern day this is happening less and less at college and more in major cities with young professionals.

I do think you can have success with solo lone wolf game, but you need an almost sociopathic level of resilience. If you have below average SMV, average resilience in a social circle dominated western city, straight day game is reciepe to leave you bitter and washed up in a year or two, I’ve seen it happen way too many times. There’s a reason all the gamers are moving to Eastern Europe.

[Donfitz007]

Here's what I believe the future of game is.

The future of game is simply not caring. Doing what YOU enjoy for yourself

"Self-improvement is masturbation" The way i view this quote (an apparently alot of people view it differently) is self-improvement helps and benefits only yourself.

The three tiers of a high value man doesn't only get women but makes the man happy.

Working out gets you a perfect physique that might (probably will) attract women. Also with proper nutrition, your hair, skin, and natural scent is more desirable. On the other hand working out and having a proper diet makes you a lot stronger, a alot more flexible, greater endurance, greater mobility, and overall you feel great. throw in meditation and you feel great most of the time. Personal records add more confidence and the feeling of achievement. This equates to a better overall life, You now have the endurance to do more hobbies, the strength and willpower to take on many challenges, and the flexibility and mobility to not only do adventurous things but I promise you your joints will thank you. Not to mention the sex benefits.

Charisma and status is another thing. Of course a charming man with game has the potential to charm a girl off her feet, but this also equates to day to day life. Learning game and charisma can help you spot liars, help you persuade people, help you win arguments, and make loyal friends. A smooth talker can get almost anything he wants. Status by itself opens many doors.

Lastly money. One of the most desirable things to women is a rich man. With that said, money gives you security, freedom, and I hate to say it happiness. You don't have to be materialistic but having money gives you the freedom and time to do things YOU WANT TO DO. Flaunting your money= problems but having the cash to buy the things you want can lead to happiness.

The biggest factor that most people who THINK they're high value is actually missing is fun. That's why many of these PUA's are successful. Yeah, some game tactics work (i believe many do) but these guys are out having fun, they're noticeably in the moment having fun living life to the fullest. Girls get bored when they're not having fun and I've noticed that many women will create problems just to build excitement. SO have fun! Not for them but for yourself, and women will come.


So this brings me back to my point, The evolution of game is simply not caring about women. It a part of game to say women want what they can't have. Build up an online presence FOR YOURSELF. Imagine it as a safari journal, You're taking pictures of memories that you'll one day look back on with fulfillment, or one day show your kids or grandkids or whoever. While you're at it you can build up a following and talk to women I'm sure they'll come to try and get a piece of that fun. Online dating is the same, You're out trying to have fun1 You're out trying to find new interesting people, Adventurous sexual exploits. You're viewing life as a grand journey, a way to find enlightenment, a way to explore different things and you'll meet women on the way.

The problem with many newbies (including myself) is we want results NOW, we make women the main course instead of a very pleasurable side dish.


Sadly this is the future of game for now, trying to reach the top 10%.

Cold approaches still work, online dating still works, the only problem is you have to do things for yourself. I've been told by many women that they can sense nervousness, or insecurities, or weakness. On the other hand I remember being friendzone by multiple women who go for guys who go off and having fun without them. Leaving them on read, ignoring calls, choosing others over them, it drives them mad and they love it



That's just my take, not saying I'm right but this is the route I'm taking.

[Conquistador]

of thread Live your life to the fullest and stop giving a shit.

[Noir]

Some posters missed the forest for the trees so I will try and distill this in to a few lines.

- Good social media is expected so don't anticipate compliments. Just traction on your posts but it won't get you laid.
- Bad social media presence (or lack of) is a red flag to women < 27

Social media is great for being present in their minds when you are NOT around them and it's impossible to be around them all the time.

It makes you accessible while remaining hot. When you're taking 5 hours to respond because you're busy, she is going to your IG or whatever looking at all the cool shit you do and filling in the blanks with her mind. It creates comfort for you, automatically.

That's literally it. It won't get you laid automatically. It won't fuck girls for you.

It's an ancillary tool to add character and depth to her idea of you while letting her making positive assumptions outside of that.

There have been more changes than just social media boys...

[don_quixote]

(09-15-2018 03:30 AM)Noir Wrote:  

Some posters missed the forest for the trees so I will try and distill this in to a few lines.

- Good social media is expected so don't anticipate compliments. Just traction on your posts but it won't get you laid.
- Bad social media presence (or lack of) is a red flag to women < 27

Social media is great for being present in their minds when you are NOT around them and it's impossible to be around them all the time.

It makes you accessible while remaining hot. When you're taking 5 hours to respond because you're busy, she is going to your IG or whatever looking at all the cool shit you do and filling in the blanks with her mind. It creates comfort for you, automatically.

That's literally it. It won't get you laid automatically. It won't fuck girls for you.

It's an ancillary tool to add character and depth to her idea of you while letting her making positive assumptions outside of that.

There have been more changes than just social media boys...

Do you think it's that bad though? The younger girls I've met do not seem to care. I mean, of course they care that they appear good on social media. But if I make a good impression in person then surely SM doesn't matter too much?

[Teedub]

Have a FB account, choose a cool picture and cover picture and update every now and then. Post occasionally, but never overly-intellectual stuff. That's enough for people to know you're real and not a serial killer. If you genuinely do have an absolutely stand-out life then post to your hearts content, mainly on IG since that's where your target audience is.

But, as Skank_Hunt pointed out one has to differentiate from her (in her eyes) platonic male friends and orbiters. One way is to cold approach of course, but after that another way is to not use social media*. Or if you do, heaven forbid don't like or comment on her photos...unless:

- You're in one
- You were there
- You're in a relationship with her

*I'm talking on behalf of guys 30+

(09-15-2018 06:46 AM)don_quixote Wrote:  

Do you think it's that bad though? The younger girls I've met do not seem to care. I mean, of course they care that they appear good on social media. But if I make a good impression in person then surely SM doesn't matter too much?

None at all is better than bad, as long as you're cool in person.

[doc holliday]

I think it depends a lot on what your objectives are. If your looking to date a lot of women at the same time, get notches etc then I would think having an IG would help since you're playing a numbers game and any tool that can help increase your chances is one that should be used. Bemoaning the evils of social media while trying to have sex with lots of girls who generally like social media is foolish, you're just leaving a very valuable tool in the box. If you're just doing lower numbers, looking for more quality then yeah I would say that you have the luxury of eschewing social media. In fact you can use the fact that you're not on sm as a point of rebellion, a man who marches to his own beat. I remember once I was briefly dating this chick who was a good 15 years younger than me and she asked if I had an IG and I told her no because I value my privacy and don't want the world seeing my photos. She liked my answer and never brought it up again.

Another time I was dating a different girl 20 years my junior and I actually made fun of her being on snapchat. I laughed and asked her wtf is that, she explained snapchat and then I said that it looked like something fun for 12 year olds to use. That pretty much rendered my lack of sm as irrelevant to her. I have found that ridiculing use of sm will work on a lot of women since I think deep down a lot of them know how dumb it is. I don't think it's a bad idea to have one though as it can be a boon if you're looking for notches and can help seal the deal with a chick but like Teedub said, if you're cool and a chick likes you, it's not a deal killer.

[BossOfBosses]

(09-06-2018 06:57 AM)subterfuge Wrote:  

(09-05-2018 07:51 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

As women have become more focused on looks than they were in the past

(09-05-2018 10:13 PM)corsega Wrote:  

- Looks are way more important than 10-20 years ago.

This seems to be one of the major changes. Women are getting as superficial as us guys!

The old idea of 'game' being able to compete with looks has basically disappeared!

I was actually thinking earlier about this stuff and I had the thought: ''maybe the old PUA's who insist that looks don't matter actually believe that because maybe that WAS the case back in their day, and they've not bothered too investigate whether it's still true! They just assume it must be, even though they stopped trying to hook upu with hot 19 year olds a few decades back!''

What things do you consider "game"? Alot of guys think game = mouthpiece.

If you read mystery's stuff from 10-15 years ago, looks has always been a crucial component. Working out has always been important. "Game" was about developing the entire person, not just your mouthpiece. Nothing has changed, online apps just give women nothing but looks to go on.

[Graft]

(09-14-2018 04:23 PM)Skank_Hunt Wrote:  

A short but simplistic answer would be that there is at best marginal benefit of having IG unless your IG is seriously in the top 1% or even less.

This is just false. Like another poster said, why would a girl take a risk on a potential serial killer/psycho/unpopular lone wolf when she can reach guys who are 10x more vetted. Having any sort of social media (with friends on it) shows that you are a normal person.

[JohnnyQuest]

(09-06-2018 07:08 AM)rottenapple Wrote:  

In women, the aim is now no longer to find a man to live with, it is to find many men and get out of them as much as possible, mainly money and sex. The divide is not so strong here as all women find men for that given the current beta levels.

This right here, is soooo deep. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

[Skank_Hunt]

(09-16-2018 09:31 AM)Graft Wrote:  

(09-14-2018 04:23 PM)Skank_Hunt Wrote:  

A short but simplistic answer would be that there is at best marginal benefit of having IG unless your IG is seriously in the top 1% or even less.

This is just false. Like another poster said, why would a girl take a risk on a potential serial killer/psycho/unpopular lone wolf when she can reach guys who are 10x more vetted. Having any sort of social media (with friends on it) shows that you are a normal person.

Having a regular joe FB might help if a girl has suspicions of you being a potential serial killer/psycho/unpopular loser (differentiate that from a lone wolf sigma). First of all it's not mentioned how screwed up a society we must be in where certain women actually have these automatic thoughts about all men. Second, a lot of guys who are genuinely lone wolves and really dislike social media, its effects etc., can have their happiness affected and hence their vibe with girls in person affected to the point where they did better when they weren't trying to be something they are not and wade against the current in terms of personality fit. Having/maintaining/using various forms of social media is seen by some as low investment, other guys really don't like it so its effective "cost" increases prohibitively, (myself included) to where it feels unnatural and affects my state/vibe when talking to people in real life. This is not a one size fits all issue. Even if all men suddenly had a top 1% IG, women would have to look for the "top 1% of that top 1%" as is nature online.

There is really a great benefit to having a true baller IG. I still maintain limited marginal benefit to being average, much like online dating. I don't think you would see the best IRL gamesmen like DigitalNomad stop pulling girls just because of no social media. He is an extroverted guy, has an interesting life, so probably has a great presence online which helps him add more notches. Does he really need it though? No, because his "real life" game is of such a high standard that he would get results social media or not. Girls see a vibe like his and I'm sure most of them are not thinking "possible serial killer" because he has old fashioned game as well as a few extra tools to add some more to his belt. As mentioned above, there are various ways for a woman to evaluate a man, one via social circle old fashioned vetting, yes one by a normal looking FB profile even if completely fake, but lone wolves have been banging hot girls around the world for years without following this social media stuff, because they just make shit happen in real life cold approach. If you're an average guy on IG commenting on girls' gym photos then that also says a lot about you. It all depends on the situation. Reading body language, spotting targets, killer instinct -- these all circumvent silly girls who won't consider a guy because he "doesn't have IG so he could be, like, a serial killer".

Finally even if it were better that we all use IG something new will come along in a few years and so on. The goal posts are constantly being shifted.

[a beer is enough]

Social media aside since it is such a polarizing topic, I wanted to talk about social things in general and might even do a thread asking you guys to discuss it once I get the chance. The reason I think that needs to be done is because I have seen some things about social life on here which have been toxic and just flat out bad advice which I will get to later.

Someone on this thread mentioned how far behind a lot of us and your typical guys who had success in the game early. Now lets think about the types of guys who generally slay hot girls at a young age: athletes, fraternity guys and popular guys in general who have a lot of friends. Then lets look at an incel or guys who generally struggle, they either have no social life or friends to go to or they have really shitty ones that scare girls away.

If there is one thing I have found looking back in times when I have had success versus struggling to get higher quality women, it is where my life was at socially. When I had cool roommates, my social schedule was packed and I was meeting the right kinds of people. Naturally, I had a higher standing in the eyes of some of the hotter girls compared to a lot of guys.

Here is the reason I even bring this up, because I have read advice on this matter such "fuck friends, just go out
alone" which can be damaging to the life of a man, especially a younger one.

If the situation is that bad, which it has been for me in the past, then go out alone but it is a situation that needs to be fixed.

Being out with friends makes you naturally outcome independent because it doesn't matter if you get rejected, you're there to have a good time. You cannot have that same level of outcome independence going out alone because naturally, why are you out alone at a bar all by yourself? Because you want to get laid and you can't lie to yourself about that.

But that in itself can be the tough part, making a solid social circle a reality and making the right kinds of friends.

Most people out there are going to spit at the idea of the hedonism of sleeping around and hooking up with random girls.

A lot of guys out there are going to be very game averse or too pussy whipped to even think of the idea of talking to random women.

Plenty of guys out there will be game haters whether it is incels, the goody two shoe religious boy or the morally self-righteous white knight.

Tons of guys will look down on the idea of going out because staying in and watching netflix or doing some nerdy hobby is way more fun.

If we have more discussions from seasoned veterans on here or just guys in general who have had a lot of success with social circle game, I am all ears. I loved reading posts by Distant Light and his journey.

[don_quixote]

(09-16-2018 09:50 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

A lot of guys out there are going to be very game averse or too pussy whipped to even think of the idea of talking to random women.

Yeah, it seems everyone is looking for the best IG tips or online tricks, anything to avoid cold approach. They either have crippling approach anxiety or are too lazy to put the work in.

Even though daygame is a lot of fun, it is time consuming. I could admittedly meet girls in a much more time-efficient manner online, but it's just not the same thing.

[a beer is enough]

(09-16-2018 10:12 PM)don_quixote Wrote:  

(09-16-2018 09:50 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

A lot of guys out there are going to be very game averse or too pussy whipped to even think of the idea of talking to random women.

Yeah, it seems everyone is looking for the best IG tips or online tricks, anything to avoid cold approach. They either have crippling approach anxiety or are too lazy to put the work in.

Even though daygame is a lot of fun, it is time consuming. I could admittedly meet girls in a much more time-efficient manner online, but it's just not the same thing.

I'd love to make friend with guys who are looking for best IG tips or online dating tricks, even that is a step up from the morally self-righteous sex before marriage is wrong crowd.

[quaker13]

Instagram game is out for me cause I married. I have to do everything the old fashion way. Im almost 40 so Im not too sure the challenges facing my younger brethren, but I will say never ever discount being a well dressed man; in top physical condition; and how well that's received on a cold approach. There's talk about how everbody will be doing steroids in a few years. Hell, everybody should have been doing steroid years ago. A well constructed cycle is pretty god damn safe. Men fallaciously make the assumption women want bodybuilders when we hear women like muscles. This has been touched on countless times. Women like well built men not musclebound bodybuilders injecting thousands of dollars of steroids a month. I think the perfect proportions would be an NFL tightend, large wide receiver or like rugby star Sonny Billy Williams. That's the sweet spot in terms of muscle and bodyfat . The clothes still fall properly on the body while still being uber masculine. Young guys routinely abuse steroids due to ignorance and a desire employ the ever so elusive quick fix. Slow and steady wins the race and keeps you out of the endocrinologist's office

[Mr_furly]

(09-06-2018 10:12 AM)EndsExpect Wrote:  

I'm an older guy and I've seen all these changes go down. Here is the thing... if you are trying to attract a woman through Tinder or Instagram... then your pictures matter. I would say looks/physique are about 50% and the other 50% is how cool you make your lifestyle look.

If you are meeting women on the street and running game in person... women have not changed much. In fact they are significantly sluttier than they were 20 years ago and have lower standards.

Let me explain something. Women hate being fucked and chucked. They hate being treated like they are disposable. They figure out that the hot guys on Tinder are drowning in pussy and they begin to avoid that shit. This is why the male to female ratio on these dating apps is so decidedly male. They often bounce to a few other apps, and find it's all the same issue. So, what do they do? Where do they go? Nowhere! I know a lot of very good looking girls in LA that are literally going through thier lives waiting for some dude to come up to them in a grocery store and hit on them. The problem is that millennial men are so consumed with self doubt after being beaten down on dating apps... that they don't bother to approach anymore.

Hit the nail on the head. People exaggerate things too much. Plenty and I mean plenty of attractive woman who are not on apps like tinder. Sure everyone is on Instagram but so what? The vast majority of guys don't get much play on there especially with the really hot girls so you will make a fool out of yourself trying to model your social media life to impress them

Also plenty of hot girls who are bored as fuck and who live boring lives. Literally go to school, may have job at starbucks and sit around and watch Netflix. Get off the internet and go talk to women in real life. Everybody isn't a sugar baby. Most girls are losers with no life and their only entertainment is the internet and hanging with their loser friends.

[Mr_furly]

Another thing. The beautiful thing about "Game" or just being a man in general, is that efficiency doesn't matter at all. Its not like trying to be a Quarterback being in a league with only a few elite trying to complete 65% of your passes and not turn the ball over. There are millions of people around you all with different goals and values, sure everyone wants companionship but the fact that us here have taken the time out to really figure out a method for scoring women, that already puts us in the top percentile of men to the extent that we put the work in. If you try to talk to 100 women you are attracted to and only 5 of them give you a shot that's still 5 women. Most guys don't have 5 attractive women they are actively pursuing. Most guys wont approach 100 attractive women in their whole life.

There's way too much paranoia in this community. For me once I figured out what women are, became confident with approaching and talking to them openly, the shit became easy to me so I have no clue what the problem is for some of you guys. Women are goofy as fuck, and they aren't really that complicated. We've all just been taught the wrong shit growing up. Once you've gone out with 20 women you've gone out with a billion of them, they are literally all the fuckin same in terms of "pulling"