[Germanicus]

(08-26-2018 02:59 PM)Aurini Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 08:20 PM)Veloce Wrote:  

I dropped my guard and went into "genuine" mode. I'm a classically trained musician, it's impossible for me to find girls that have any knowledge or interest in classical music. I tried to keep the game script going but I started asking about favorite composers and wanting to have a halfway intelligent conversation about classical music. [/b]

She literally turned her entire body and wouldn't talk to me for the rest of the night. She was as basic as any other bitch at the bar that night. It was a powerful lesson.

Good Lord, I can't tell you how many times I've done exactly that. Met a chick, gamed her, on the path to success - when she does something that makes me think that she could be good relationship material. At that point, I drop the cocky asshole game, and start treating her like a person.

The result? Icicles. With. Out. Exception.

Hell, I just did that the other day. Girl owned a composite longbow, was upgrading an accounting degree, likes guns, hiking, and killing animals, and so I spoke to her like a human being.* The next day she flaked.

I remember reading on RVF years ago Anabasis To Desta telling about how he was gaming a Finnish girl. Things were going well and then she drops that she was something like a history buff. So AtD, liking to talk about something intellectual, brings up the Winter War and some other aspects of Finish history. And she got bored and left.

This has happened to me multiple times. Again, my better nature dropped the asshole facade when I learned the girl had a tangible interest in something other than reality TV and Snapchat filters and I started treating her in a friendly manner and trying to engage her in conversation about intelligent things. And I was rewarded with her bailing on me. I regret to say that it took me several girls to stop doing this behaviour.

The reality of it is, a man has to be a tyrant to his woman. You have to consciously do things that are subtly "mean" and "disrespectful." She's either at your feet or at your throat. When in doubt, be a dick.

[tycotacos]

Can anyone explain what jobs a degree in "Gender and Sexuality in Africa" will get you?

[Vladimir Poontang]

(08-27-2018 09:44 AM)Germanicus Wrote:  

The reality of it is, a man has to be a tyrant to his woman. You have to consciously do things that are subtly "mean" and "disrespectful." She's either at your feet or at your throat. When in doubt, be a dick.

So this :



With a hint of this :

[BaatumMania]

(08-27-2018 09:44 AM)Germanicus Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 02:59 PM)Aurini Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 08:20 PM)Veloce Wrote:  

I dropped my guard and went into "genuine" mode. I'm a classically trained musician, it's impossible for me to find girls that have any knowledge or interest in classical music. I tried to keep the game script going but I started asking about favorite composers and wanting to have a halfway intelligent conversation about classical music. [/b]

She literally turned her entire body and wouldn't talk to me for the rest of the night. She was as basic as any other bitch at the bar that night. It was a powerful lesson.

Good Lord, I can't tell you how many times I've done exactly that. Met a chick, gamed her, on the path to success - when she does something that makes me think that she could be good relationship material. At that point, I drop the cocky asshole game, and start treating her like a person.

The result? Icicles. With. Out. Exception.

Hell, I just did that the other day. Girl owned a composite longbow, was upgrading an accounting degree, likes guns, hiking, and killing animals, and so I spoke to her like a human being.* The next day she flaked.

I remember reading on RVF years ago Anabasis To Desta telling about how he was gaming a Finnish girl. Things were going well and then she drops that she was something like a history buff. So AtD, liking to talk about something intellectual, brings up the Winter War and some other aspects of Finish history. And she got bored and left.

This has happened to me multiple times. Again, my better nature dropped the asshole facade when I learned the girl had a tangible interest in something other than reality TV and Snapchat filters and I started treating her in a friendly manner and trying to engage her in conversation about intelligent things. And I was rewarded with her bailing on me. I regret to say that it took me several girls to stop doing this behaviour.

The reality of it is, a man has to be a tyrant to his woman. You have to consciously do things that are subtly "mean" and "disrespectful." She's either at your feet or at your throat. When in doubt, be a dick.

A woman who is a history buff would never be bored to talk about history.

It's more like women don't want to be intellectually challenged or dominated by a men. Millennial women grew up on television commercials that depicted men as morons who have to be saved by their wives and that's what they want.

I lost count of the number of women who went around acting like they are super intelligent and were trying to manipulate me into a quick marriage or to get me to buy them freebies (shit is so common).

The whole educated women wanting more educated men isn't a real thing. It's just the educated women have super hypergamy but they don't want a PhD guy but actually a Chad or someone like Jeremy Meeks. Thing is most Chads want a woman in her early 20s - not a 30 something with $100,000 in student loans.

[RedPillUK]

(08-28-2018 01:14 PM)BaatumMania Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 09:44 AM)Germanicus Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 02:59 PM)Aurini Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 08:20 PM)Veloce Wrote:  

I dropped my guard and went into "genuine" mode. I'm a classically trained musician, it's impossible for me to find girls that have any knowledge or interest in classical music. I tried to keep the game script going but I started asking about favorite composers and wanting to have a halfway intelligent conversation about classical music. [/b]

She literally turned her entire body and wouldn't talk to me for the rest of the night. She was as basic as any other bitch at the bar that night. It was a powerful lesson.

Good Lord, I can't tell you how many times I've done exactly that. Met a chick, gamed her, on the path to success - when she does something that makes me think that she could be good relationship material. At that point, I drop the cocky asshole game, and start treating her like a person.

The result? Icicles. With. Out. Exception.

Hell, I just did that the other day. Girl owned a composite longbow, was upgrading an accounting degree, likes guns, hiking, and killing animals, and so I spoke to her like a human being.* The next day she flaked.

I remember reading on RVF years ago Anabasis To Desta telling about how he was gaming a Finnish girl. Things were going well and then she drops that she was something like a history buff. So AtD, liking to talk about something intellectual, brings up the Winter War and some other aspects of Finish history. And she got bored and left.

This has happened to me multiple times. Again, my better nature dropped the asshole facade when I learned the girl had a tangible interest in something other than reality TV and Snapchat filters and I started treating her in a friendly manner and trying to engage her in conversation about intelligent things. And I was rewarded with her bailing on me. I regret to say that it took me several girls to stop doing this behaviour.

The reality of it is, a man has to be a tyrant to his woman. You have to consciously do things that are subtly "mean" and "disrespectful." She's either at your feet or at your throat. When in doubt, be a dick.

A woman who is a history buff would never be bored to talk about history.

It's more like women don't want to be intellectually challenged or dominated by a men. Millennial women grew up on television commercials that depicted men as morons who have to be saved by their wives and that's what they want.

I lost count of the number of women who went around acting like they are super intelligent and were trying to manipulate me into a quick marriage or to get me to buy them freebies (shit is so common).

The whole educated women wanting more educated men isn't a real thing. It's just the educated women have super hypergamy but they don't want a PhD guy but actually a Chad or someone like Jeremy Meeks. Thing is most Chads want a woman in her early 20s - not a 30 something with $100,000 in student loans.

You're all forgetting fundamental principles of game. Just because you have common interests does not mean you get to stop gaming and instead start chatting away forever about the subject you both like.

I had a girl on a first date who had a good taste in music and we liked a lot of the same stuff. Instead of just chatting about music the whole time, I avoided the subject each time the conversation went there. I did not mention that I play instruments as well.

I had to keep just downplaying my interest in music repeatedly. When she found out I could play a bit too, I reluctantly played some piano for her and was reluctant to show her the music I liked.

After a while, she found out the music I liked and she started to send me links to youtube videos of songs I might like. I just ignored her texts, I didn't even listen to the song or reply.

I worked hard to avoid falling into friendly chats about music because I knew this would be terrible for the sexual relationship I was trying to achieve. This was especially important on the first few dates.

If we talk about music like a couple of good friends, I am destroying the sexual tension and risking putting myself into the friend zone.

Only now like 6 months later do I allow myself to talk music with her like a couple of friends, and it's great. So overall I would purposefully avoid talking about subjects that are common interests in the first month or two of seeing a girl.

[C-Note]

(08-28-2018 01:33 PM)RedPillUK Wrote:  

(08-28-2018 01:14 PM)BaatumMania Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 09:44 AM)Germanicus Wrote:  

(08-26-2018 02:59 PM)Aurini Wrote:  

(08-20-2018 08:20 PM)Veloce Wrote:  

I dropped my guard and went into "genuine" mode. I'm a classically trained musician, it's impossible for me to find girls that have any knowledge or interest in classical music. I tried to keep the game script going but I started asking about favorite composers and wanting to have a halfway intelligent conversation about classical music. [/b]

She literally turned her entire body and wouldn't talk to me for the rest of the night. She was as basic as any other bitch at the bar that night. It was a powerful lesson.

Good Lord, I can't tell you how many times I've done exactly that. Met a chick, gamed her, on the path to success - when she does something that makes me think that she could be good relationship material. At that point, I drop the cocky asshole game, and start treating her like a person.

The result? Icicles. With. Out. Exception.

Hell, I just did that the other day. Girl owned a composite longbow, was upgrading an accounting degree, likes guns, hiking, and killing animals, and so I spoke to her like a human being.* The next day she flaked.

I remember reading on RVF years ago Anabasis To Desta telling about how he was gaming a Finnish girl. Things were going well and then she drops that she was something like a history buff. So AtD, liking to talk about something intellectual, brings up the Winter War and some other aspects of Finish history. And she got bored and left.

This has happened to me multiple times. Again, my better nature dropped the asshole facade when I learned the girl had a tangible interest in something other than reality TV and Snapchat filters and I started treating her in a friendly manner and trying to engage her in conversation about intelligent things. And I was rewarded with her bailing on me. I regret to say that it took me several girls to stop doing this behaviour.

The reality of it is, a man has to be a tyrant to his woman. You have to consciously do things that are subtly "mean" and "disrespectful." She's either at your feet or at your throat. When in doubt, be a dick.

A woman who is a history buff would never be bored to talk about history.

It's more like women don't want to be intellectually challenged or dominated by a men. Millennial women grew up on television commercials that depicted men as morons who have to be saved by their wives and that's what they want.

I lost count of the number of women who went around acting like they are super intelligent and were trying to manipulate me into a quick marriage or to get me to buy them freebies (shit is so common).

The whole educated women wanting more educated men isn't a real thing. It's just the educated women have super hypergamy but they don't want a PhD guy but actually a Chad or someone like Jeremy Meeks. Thing is most Chads want a woman in her early 20s - not a 30 something with $100,000 in student loans.

You're all forgetting fundamental principles of game. Just because you have common interests does not mean you get to stop gaming and instead start chatting away forever about the subject you both like.

I had a girl on a first date who had a good taste in music and we liked a lot of the same stuff. Instead of just chatting about music the whole time, I avoided the subject each time the conversation went there. I did not mention that I play instruments as well.

I had to keep just downplaying my interest in music repeatedly. When she found out I could play a bit too, I reluctantly played some piano for her and was reluctant to show her the music I liked.

After a while, she found out the music I liked and she started to send me links to youtube videos of songs I might like. I just ignored her texts, I didn't even listen to the song or reply.

I worked hard to avoid falling into friendly chats about music because I knew this would be terrible for the sexual relationship I was trying to achieve. This was especially important on the first few dates.

If we talk about music like a couple of good friends, I am destroying the sexual tension and risking putting myself into the friend zone.

Only now like 6 months later do I allow myself to talk music with her like a couple of friends, and it's great. So overall I would purposefully avoid talking about subjects that are common interests in the first month or two of seeing a girl.

It's weird, but sometimes this is exactly the right advice, except when it isn't. There are some girls who do get emotionally aroused talking about their profession, art, or other detailed topic that interest them, but there are many that don't. I've run into both. If you get into a conversation like that you have to watch their body language to see if it's stimulating their emotional brain, and if it isn't, change the subject no matter how smoothly the conversation seems to be going. It's easier to talk about science or whatnot if you're able to include some teasing and joking with it.

[Donfitz007]

So a good way to put it is

1. Don't talk about yourself or things you like, put the focus on her

2. if you have mutual interest, don't chat on it but charmingly instead impress her through action (if she likes music, play the piano or sing?)

3. Read body language and speak on exciting, thought-provoking subjects where she has to get emotional and hot


Did i get that right?

[Vladimir Poontang]

The city beta forum told me that I should find common interests and show respect and be a good listener and that will lead to attraction. Fuck you all, I'm going with that.

Wish me luck!

[BaatumMania]

(08-28-2018 03:38 PM)Vladimir Poontang Wrote:  

The city beta forum told me that I should find common interests and show respect and be a good listener and that will lead to attraction. Fuck you all, I'm going with that.

Wish me luck!

"Just get some hobbies and you will meet chicks bro"


Meanwhile I have yet to meet a woman older than 20 (especially 25) who has actual hobbies. Once most women hit the workforce then their hobbies are just "Facebook, Instagram and Netflix". The smart bitches will say traveling but when I ask them how many countries they've been a lot ended up just saying: "oh I haven't left the country yet" or it was some trip they took 5 years ago.


This is actually a big problem on the dating market. Most women now are homebodies and rarely leave the house unless it's to work a job. Meaning the traditional day game, social circle game and bar game is becoming irrelevant as everything shifts online (which fuels hypergamy as if you get 100+ matches every hour on Tinder then you're going to pick the hottest 10 or so people).

[RedPillUK]

(08-28-2018 02:23 PM)C-Note Wrote:  

It's weird, but sometimes this is exactly the right advice, except when it isn't. There are some girls who do get emotionally aroused talking about their profession, art, or other detailed topic that interest them, but there are many that don't. I've run into both. If you get into a conversation like that you have to watch their body language to see if it's stimulating their emotional brain, and if it isn't, change the subject no matter how smoothly the conversation seems to be going. It's easier to talk about science or whatnot if you're able to include some teasing and joking with it.

They would like a nice comfortable chat about your common interest, but save that for when you're actually in a relationship, unless you want to be friendzoned.

Similiar to how they might want to makeout but save that for a time and a place where you can have sex instead.

(08-28-2018 03:28 PM)Donfitz007 Wrote:  

So a good way to put it is

1. Don't talk about yourself or things you like, put the focus on her

2. if you have mutual interest, don't chat on it but charmingly instead impress her through action (if she likes music, play the piano or sing?)

3. Read body language and speak on exciting, thought-provoking subjects where she has to get emotional and hot


Did i get that right?

1. Absolutely not. Focusing on her is extremely needy and beta. I barely learn anything about her on dates. If she's not asking about you and your interests, she's probably not that interested in you. Banter/flirt with her instead of serious conversation.

2. Uh only if you genuinely want to, because it can come off as try hard.

3. You can talk about thought provoking stuff for girls that are thoughtful. For the 95% of girls that aren't, flirting and banter is fine.

[Easy_C]

Ehh.... I dunno about that.

Player Supreme and the old school pimp writings he took inspiration from had a very different philosophy. They pointed out that everything she says is information you should regard importantly. It's all information you can potentially leverage to influence her emotional state later.

[Vladimir Poontang]

I'd say it doesn't really matter what you talk about, and you shouldn't even think about it too much. As long as the correct male-female dynamic is in place 90+% of the time, none of this matters that much. If you want to talk about intellectual stuff, your hobbies, science or whatever, just go ahead.

Sometimes people overlook the fact that worrying too much about game is bad game. Some people are great at telling somewhat crappy jokes but in such a way that you find yourself laughing because they're enjoying telling the joke. These people don't worry about what others think of them, they're too busy enjoying life.

[bbgun]

Have fun curling up with your diploma at night.

[66Scorpio]

Intellectual discussions with a woman you have a sexual or romantic interest is a buzzkill, and politics is - for me - a really depressing, shrivelling desiccant of a topic.

While I have been an equal-opportunity fornicator, I would never get into an LTR with someone on the far left or right, nor anyone who takes their more moderate politics particularly seriously as that would create a litany of things to disagree about given my eclectic but otherwise centre-right views on things.

Going back to the OP article, WTF was she thinking in mustering a bunch of talking points about the left-wing opposition leader? I am an ex-pat Canadian living in China for the last half-dozen years and have not kept up on things other than waiting for Ontario to get rid of the Liberals (mission accomplished) and to get rid of the Trudeau Liberals federally (October 2019, hopefully). I couldn't have an intelligent conversation about the opposition leaders at this point. However, a guy is rather clueless if he doesn't have a basic understanding of the political climate he is operating in. Even then, if a date of mine picked that as a topic it would be a turn off in terms of an LTR or STR. I would play along, get things back on track and then go for the ONS.

She obviously had some motivation for wanting to discuss the Labour Party leader and guess what? Political ideology has nothing to do with being clever or well educated.

Other "intellectual" discussions generally come down to the arts and various "pop" topics (pop-psycholigy, pop-science, pop-sociology, etc) but can degrade into ideological discussions of left-right, feminism, Marxism, Objectivism and such. An intellectual discussion over a candle-lit dinner is just a big shit test that you want to pass and then move on without prejudice.

If a woman is a professional peer and you can "talk shop", that's great but it doesn't belong on a "date" per she. That either comes before as a prelude to such interest, or after once mutual interest has been established.

Women aren't too clever or too educated, they are just bad at dating.

[Donfitz007]

Ofcourse women are bad at dating. The whole process is tailored to make men react to them. Game seems to be guys simply choosing the best reaction.

Women don’t have to worry about charisma being intellectual. I bet every last woman who brags about being smart yet complains about not being viewed as smart, has atleast 3-4 guys she friend zoned that tells her she’s smart every day. They just want the guys they want/desire to view them as smart.

[Paracelsus]

(08-28-2018 03:38 PM)Vladimir Poontang Wrote:  

The city beta forum told me that I should find common interests and show respect and be a good listener and that will lead to attraction. Fuck you all, I'm going with that.

Wish me luck!

[66Scorpio]

(08-27-2018 12:33 PM)tycotacos Wrote:  

Can anyone explain what jobs a degree in "Gender and Sexuality in Africa" will get you?

At the undergrad level? The only way to work "in their field" would be with a public advocacy group or international NGO (generally on the taxpayer dime). Otherwise, any entry-level position where HR looks for recent grads despite the degree in question having nothing to do with the position. For instance, I worked in a bank doing security transaction settlements and client account troubleshooting. There was a parallel desk with a new hire who had just graduated with a degree in history or geography or something. I had two years of business school but whatever she had studied had nothing to do with stock market transactions. However, that is the way businesses hire for entry level positions (ie. people who don't know anything).

If a graduate wants to pursue a masters level education then keep in mind that law school, MBA programs and teachers' college are all open to any graduate of any program. Some MBA programs have or could have very SJW bents such as HR, CSR and cultural industries management (publishing, film, television etc). Plus there are numerous post-graduate diploma programs (basically a masters degree for people who didn't do their undergrad in the discipline).

But the #1 is if they go to the PhD level: being a professor of Gender and Sexuality in Africa, again most likely on the public payroll.

[Brother Abdul Majeed]

(08-28-2018 03:38 PM)Vladimir Poontang Wrote:  

The city beta forum told me that I should find common interests and show respect and be a good listener and that will lead to attraction. Fuck you all, I'm going with that.

Wish me luck!

They forgot to tell you "just be yourself".

[Enoch]

(08-28-2018 04:05 PM)BaatumMania Wrote:  

(08-28-2018 03:38 PM)Vladimir Poontang Wrote:  

The city beta forum told me that I should find common interests and show respect and be a good listener and that will lead to attraction. Fuck you all, I'm going with that.

Wish me luck!

"Just get some hobbies and you will meet chicks bro"


Meanwhile I have yet to meet a woman older than 20 (especially 25) who has actual hobbies. Once most women hit the workforce then their hobbies are just "Facebook, Instagram and Netflix". The smart bitches will say traveling but when I ask them how many countries they've been a lot ended up just saying: "oh I haven't left the country yet" or it was some trip they took 5 years ago.


This is actually a big problem on the dating market. Most women now are homebodies and rarely leave the house unless it's to work a job. Meaning the traditional day game, social circle game and bar game is becoming irrelevant as everything shifts online (which fuels hypergamy as if you get 100+ matches every hour on Tinder then you're going to pick the hottest 10 or so people).

The only place I day game now is Whole Foods. If I see a girl in the wine section on a weekday i'm golden.

[The Catalyst]

@RedPillUK BaatumMania Germanicus Aurini Veloce

While I believe all of you, what gets me is that a lot of relationships I see around the guy treats the girl normally. How does this work? How is it so many guys fail and get dropped so easily by being normal to a girl when I see that happen all the time without punishment?

[BaatumMania]

(08-31-2018 07:37 PM)The Catalyst Wrote:  

@RedPillUK BaatumMania Germanicus Aurini Veloce

While I believe all of you, what gets me is that a lot of relationships I see around the guy treats the girl normally. How does this work? How is it so many guys fail and get dropped so easily by being normal to a girl when I see that happen all the time without punishment?

Different explanations:

1. Chads / good looking guys (in public spaces I've seen them get cold approached by women a fair bit. They can have a dweeb nice guy personality but the women would still come to them).

2. Social circle game / Status game / Game game

[Sgt Donger]

Not sure how anyone can take western women too seriously.

Here's an Australian article that pretty much sums up modern women: National health survey of women reveals many feel anxious or are clinically depressed

Key points include:

- 46.1 per cent had been diagnosed with clinical depression or anxiety

- 50.8 per cent described themselves as overweight or obese

So based on that survey, 50% of Australian women are fat and/or depressed.

Who knows what the stats are for fat and depressed women in the US and UK, but I'd bet they are the same or higher.

[odesseus]

Almost as a rule - if you have to tell people how smart you are....you aren't that smart. No question that higher education has provided these women with a healthy repertoire of canned opinions. Most would fold under a bit of healthy debate - which they love (being beaten soundly at their own progressive game).

[Vladimir Poontang]

(09-04-2018 05:46 PM)odesseus Wrote:  

Almost as a rule - if you have to tell people how smart you are....you aren't that smart. No question that higher education has provided these women with a healthy repertoire of canned opinions. Most would fold under a bit of healthy debate - which they love (being beaten soundly at their own progressive game).

Erm...excuse me...I have a PhD thank you very much.

[captndonk]

I would Love to have a high IQ girl interested in politics and discussions. Unfortunately there aren't any. A small number repeats media BS and gets angry when you debunk it. I think they simply use it to get attention and validation.