[Roosh]

Here they confuse intelligence with "education". Looks like the experiment to educate women at all costs is causing some women to never meet a man and have families. These women, instead of looking inward, are blaming men for the problem. They also refuse to accept that men simply don't want a highly educated women who will then use that education to satisfy their inferiority complex.

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For Natasha Hooper, the most important part of pre-date preparation isn’t getting her hair done, waxing her legs or buying a new dress.

Instead, she is more preoccupied with composing a list of conversational topics which she hopes will bridge the gap between her highbrow preoccupations, and the more mainstream interests of her dates.

Waiting in a bar for a young man a few weeks ago, she ran through possible options, before settling on the subject of Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn. A surefire way, the 22-year-old undergraduate reasoned, to guarantee an interesting debate.

Yet while the 30-year-old office worker who sat down in front of her was handsome, polite and smartly-dressed, the minute Natasha brought up the Labour leader’s policies, any spark of attraction was extinguished. ‘When I mentioned Jeremy Corbyn he said: “Who’s that?” I couldn’t believe it,’ says Natasha.

After 90 minutes discussing what she describes as ‘benign’ subjects, such as reality TV and football, Natasha made her excuses and left, no closer to finding Mr Right.

With long dark hair, big brown eyes and a stunning Size 8 figure, Natasha — entering her final year at Goldsmiths, University of London — has no problem attracting male attention.



The issue, she explains, is the calibre of men she attracts. ‘I’m not claiming to be Albert Einstein, but I can’t seem to meet a man I find intellectually stimulating,’ she says. Nor is she the only well-educated young woman who says she is too clever to find love.

Indeed, she is one of a growing breed of women who fear — perhaps with good reason — they will be left on the proverbial shelf because of a shortage of educated men.

Recent figures from the university admissions service UCAS showed that 30,000 more women than men are starting degree courses in the UK. On A-level results day last month, 133,280 British women aged 18 secured a university place compared with 103,800 men of the same age.

The effects of this carry over into the workplace, where women aged from 22 to 29 typically now earn £1,111 more a year than their male peers.

This growing gulf between male and female attainment — the result, many believe, of the feminisation of the education system, with more female teachers, less physical exercise and an emphasis on the arts — is having troubling repercussions when it comes to relationships.

A recent study found more than 90 per cent of predominantly graduate women surveyed were delaying motherhood not to pursue careers, but because they couldn’t find a suitable man.

Some were so despairing they were considering freezing their eggs as an insurance policy.

Put simply, it is an oversupply of educated females. In China, they are called ‘leftover’ women.

‘It sounds cold and callous, but in demographic terms it’s true. There are not enough graduates for them,’ said the study’s author Marcia Inhorn, professor of anthropology at Yale University.

The upshot? Frustrated young women terrified of being left single and childless — and men driven by a sense of inadequacy.

‘Men may claim to want educated women, but don’t know how to deal with those they meet and some say they’re intimidated by me,’ says Natasha, who grew up in Birmingham and is single after breaking up with her boyfriend this year.

‘I feel I’m hitting a brick wall.’

Like many arts degrees, her media and communications course is dominated by female students, and Natasha claims the few male undergraduates ‘lack the intellectual maturity to handle conversations’.

‘One cancelled our date four times because he was too busy getting drunk. In class, their conversations centre around going to gigs and smoking weed at weekends, which is not what I’m looking for in a date.’

She prefers instead to date older men she meets through her part-time job as a nightclub promoter.

Yet even more mature men fail to show the requisite enthusiasm for her university projects — which include a radio documentary she recently produced on ‘the pressure that black women are under to adhere to white beauty stereotypes’.

One can imagine how such a topic could be a little alienating to many men, and Natasha herself admits ‘there’s only so much I can talk about my own interests without sounding patronising.’

She says that men often try to change the subject matter back to lads’ nights outs, holidays and sporting hobbies.

‘I’ll always listen to be polite, but superficial, self-indulgent conversation is an immediate red flag,’ she says.

Since the breakdown of her most recent relationship, with a DJ ten years her senior, Natasha has had a handful of dates, but declined to take things further.
Afterwards I’ll text to say our conversations weren’t flowing in the right direction. Most accept it although one, a company director, went on the defensive, saying I thought I was a princess,’ says Natasha.

‘I think he had anger issues.’ British women began to ‘catch up’ with men’s educational attainment levels in the Sixties, when larger numbers entered universities, but only recently have the roles been dramatically reversed, with men falling behind at an alarming rate.

‘In the Sixties there was a gendered way of pushing female graduates into jobs such as teaching and nursing,’ says Nichi Hodgson, author of The Curious History Of Dating: From Jane Austen To Tinder.

‘And only 20 or 30 years ago a man wanted his female partner to be smart because the assumption was that she would be the primary carer, staying at home to raise their children, who would then absorb her intellect.’

But now women are competing with men for the same careers — there are more female junior doctors than male, for example, while nearly two-thirds of practising lawyers in Scotland under 40 are women — their achievements have become more problematic.

‘Smart women raise the issue of who would take time off when they have children,’ says Hodgson. ‘After all, why should a female partner stop working if she’s studied hard for her career?

‘The reality is that with women getting more — and better — degrees, in the next ten to 20 years women will be smarter than men, in terms of how well they’re educated. And I don’t think men are ready for this.’

This is no surprise to Becca Porter, who graduated last year from Manchester University with a joint honours degree in history and sociology, and is now starting a masters in disability studies at Leeds University.



‘The sense of achievement I derive from learning seems alien to most men,’ says Becca, 23. ‘At school I wasn’t bothered about boys, but I’m at the stage where I’d like to share my life with someone.’

With a working-class upbringing — Becca’s mother is an activities co-ordinator and her father an engineer — Becca was not only the first in her family to go to university, but an anomaly among her male peers in Burnley, Lancashire.

Among those from poorer backgrounds, the gender divide is highly pronounced, with young women who were on free school meals 51 per cent more likely to go into higher education than men in similar circumstances.

‘The boys at my school mostly went into manual jobs after we left and seemed to think I had a high opinion of myself for going to university,’ says Becca. ‘They say I’m too bright for them.’

Becca recalls a factory worker she asked out in a bar while home for the holidays turning her down because she was ‘too clever’ for him.

‘We were having a great chat until he found out I was at university,’ says Becca. ‘I insisted I wasn’t too clever for him and he agreed to go on a shopping trip together for our first date.

‘But it was awful. I think he felt I should lead the conversation, so he barely spoke and I felt too awkward to say anything.’

Her longest relationship was with a car mechanic from Burnley last year. It lasted a few weeks.

‘He thought I viewed myself as a big shot,’ says Becca, who admits she found him ‘monosyllabic’.

‘Our conversations were mundane. When I tried to start an informed discussion — about religion or terrorism, for example — he had no idea how to react.

‘He didn’t understand that my degree meant I had a head full of information and when I asked him about his work all he could muster was that it had been “fine”.

‘In any case, there’s only so much you can talk about when you do the same job every day.’

In the event, Becca ended the relationship because, she says, he was always at work — an unfortunate fact of life many of us might sympathise with, but one Becca intends to put off for much of her 20s by doing a PhD in disability research after her masters.

She has dated around eight men in total — all non-graduates.

‘I know deep down they didn’t see me as relatable,’ she says. ‘I get the impression they’d rather date a girl without a degree. They don’t know how to react to my different life experiences and see my education as a barrier.’

So why doesn’t Becca date fellow students? Because, she says, of the class divide.

‘The few boys I met at university came from middle-class families in which a degree was expected of them,’ she explains. ‘They weren’t generally interested in their studies, whereas my degree was a big deal — I was there to learn.’

She acknowledges some of her degree subjects were a bit ‘out there’ — they included gender and sexuality in Africa and reproduction in new medical technology — but adds: ‘It was hurtful that men didn’t want to talk about them.

‘One date found the fact I studied from a feminist perspective offputting. Most mistakenly assume I hate men.’

Many believe the growing number of casualties from the intellectual chasm will be educated women in their 30s and 40s, who’ve failed to find men they deem their equal and are running out of time to start a family.

Andrea Gould, 41, from Frinton-on-Sea, Essex, has two degrees and says her intellect has prevented her from finding love and having the family she longed for.



‘Being an A-grade student has been an obstacle as much as a blessing. It has limited my choices in men,’ she says.

During both her degrees — she first studied English and German at Anglia Ruskin University in Cambridge, then social policy at the same university for an extra ‘challenge’ — she claims male students fell into two camps. ‘There were geeky types into computer games, and leery lads who just wanted to drink and were intimidated by my studious nature,’ she recalls. ‘I didn’t want to be around either.’

Throughout her 20s and 30s Andrea — who worked as a foreign languages teacher before setting up an online furniture store — struggled to find anyone suitable.

Her longest relationship, for two years, was in her mid-30s with a musician. It ended because she disapproved of his use of cannabis. [i.e. he chose drug use over me ]

‘Since then I’ve used online dating and tried to date only those who specified a similar level of education on their profile,’ she says.

‘But we had nothing in common. Men think I’m too serious. I want to talk about psychology and literature — they’re obsessed with UFOs and Harry Potter. Perhaps I’m too fussy, but I’m bored within an hour.’

Dr Elle Boag, a social psychologist at Birmingham City University, says: ‘More women graduate with the expectation of being challenged by conversation in a romantic context as well as in their careers.

‘This in turn can be intimidating for men, who often feel belittled by women who’ve outgrown them.’

For her part, Andrea insists that scintillating conversation isn’t too much to ask for.

‘I’m not after a man with money or a high-powered career, just someone to have an intellectual conversation with.

‘But I’m running out of time to start a family and that gives me a sense of emptiness.’

The solution, perhaps, for Andrea and the growing number of women in her situation, could be to master the art of compromise.

After all, as Dr Boag puts it: ‘A degree might make you think differently, but it doesn’t make you a better person. As women continue to excel, many might be better off exercising a bit more humility.’

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Is there any of you who can step up to the plate and date these beautiful, intelligent, mature women?

[Abelard Lindsey]

No. Not at all.

[Jetset]

Female solipsism in action.

This is interesting to *me*, therefore it is interesting, and that you don't want to talk about it is hurtful.

[Foolsgo1d]

An educated British woman is a pain in the arse. Never had a decent interaction with them outside of simple conversation on work.

[Rush87]

Women like that aren't marriage material but they are much easier to hook up with so long as you don't trigger them too hard. Their talking points are all regurgitated so you know where they are going to go with any topic minutes before their rambling eventually gets there.

[IveBeenFramed]

The first one isn't too bad, but she's probably crazy.

[TigerMandingo]

WB that Natasha chick.

But how do you have a receding hairline as a 22 year old woman?

[Dusty]

Guilty as charged here. I have nothing to contribute to conversations about Harry Potter or the latest on the Kardashians.

[Glaucon]

Women think they are talking interesting points about a topic, when they talk back all the things they heard from the media.
And when you question the validity of those statement, they look at you as if you are crazy. And probably thinking how "stupid" and "uneducated" you are.

Kill me.

[Glaucon]

(08-17-2018 12:24 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

WB that Natasha chick.

But how do you have a receding hairline as a 22 year old woman?

Too high IQ, pushes the hair away.

[kaotic]

When will women understand that we really don't want to talk about the pressure that black women are under to adhere to white beauty stereotypes.

Men don't want to talk politics with women for the most part, you aren't impressing us with your degrees or PHDs.

Sure if it furthers your career and you make money off it great.

But if you're looking for mr right and we're looking for mrs right, we aren't going to be interested in a career whore.

Because you'll give a shit more about your career then your children and your families.


It's a good thing these women aren't finding men, and men are "clever" enough to avoid these females like the plague.

They'd make terrible mothers and wives anyways.

[Parzival]

Had to laugh so hard. Those women just want a confirmation how "smart" they are, if ever go to a real discussion they are shocked about the reality truth on them. They have confirmation bias, and seek to value their ego via their education. They hope deep down their education values them more.

[porscheguy]

I want a girl who is pretty, sweet, and reliable. Education or lack thereof is no guarantee of such traits.

If you come at me with your masters degree and tell me tales of how you can save Africa and wish to travel the world, I’m gonna assume that kids and settling down are not priorities for you. I’m not going to waste my time.on you. Your lofty goals and ambitions are largely irrelevant to me.

Honestly this is just the same old shit. In the past it was “guys don’t want me because I don’t conform to their beauty standards.” 15-20 years ago it was single moms bitching that guys don’t want to “man up” and raise her bastard offspring sired on her by an incarcerated felon. 7-10 is when the sex and the city girls with mid to high double digit notch counts were complaining at 37 years old that men are too insecure to settle down with someone with their sexual past. The current crop of complainers aren’t doing much fucking at all. They’re so self absorbed, with their grand schemes of changing the world and the necessity of their advanced degree. They’re actually offended that men aren’t as into them as they are into themselves. Like I said, same old shit with a fresh label.

[kaotic]

Guys are the problem Porshce, didn't you know that you misogynist?

It's NEVER the women who are the problem!

[kmhour]

(08-17-2018 11:46 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

Since the breakdown of her most recent relationship, with a DJ ten years her senior, Natasha has had a handful of dates, but declined to take things further.

I'm sure there were some scintillating conversations analyzing Jeremy Corbyn and black women's beauty stereotypes with the DJ.

[TravelerKai]

(08-17-2018 12:24 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

WB that Natasha chick.

But how do you have a receding hairline as a 22 year old woman?

You are aware that bitch is a size 8 right? You right about that hairline though, I lol'd hard on that one.

[Buck Wild]

(08-17-2018 01:03 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(08-17-2018 12:24 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

WB that Natasha chick.

But how do you have a receding hairline as a 22 year old woman?

You are aware that bitch is a size 8 right? You right about that hairline though, I lol'd hard on that one.

Size 8 is a bit different in the UK---she's a WB for sure.

[Frank Rook]

I'm more interested in what's between their legs first. Get past that filter then maybe I'll think about what's between their ears.
As has been true since the dawn of time.
The first girl is a WB for me. Though would have to view a full body shot. Getting a possible SIF vibe (size 8 eh?). Comes across as the typical early 20's Western chick too dumb too realize what her real assets are though.

These over educated (indoctrinated) future cat ladies can't grasp that their knowledge base is only possible thanks to the social foundations (working class built construction, utilities, power grid, rule of law and logic, governance and administration principles) built and maintained by men who mostly do their work in the shadows.
Let's see them complete months of offshore oil platform work and deep sea trawler fishing battling the elements every day and then return to the city and engage meaningfully in mostly regurgitated book knowledge and lightweight opinion based verbal diarrhoea.
Men just want to disengage and eat, fuck, sleep and not be bothered by high brow bullshit.
These silly bints are a strong argument for the research on the Dunning-Kruger effect. When functionally dumb people think they're smart.

Another point being unless you're working for a reasonable time at the PhD level (especially in a STEM field), you're not adding to the pool of meaningful research in anything.
The tiers work as follows.
Bachelor's = absorbing current and past knowledge of a domain. Master's = demonstrating ability to use various research tools to add to domain knowledge. PhD = Adding meaningful well researched substance to a particular domain

[Thot Leader]

(08-17-2018 12:19 PM)Rush87 Wrote:  

Women like that aren't marriage material but they are much easier to hook up with so long as you don't trigger them too hard. Their talking points are all regurgitated so you know where they are going to go with any topic minutes before their rambling eventually gets there.

I've found this to be mostly true. If a girl presents herself as an intellectual/artist type, just go along with whatever predictable, unoriginal shit she spews and it's not that hard to fuck them (though still a bit harder than fucking an airhead). She's still performing a basic mating dance, just with different steps. The irony is that if you question any of her beliefs, or try and take the convo down a new, unpredictable path, introduce any contradictory fact or information, she will instantly get defensive and then no pussy for you

[Adonis]

(08-17-2018 11:46 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

Here they confuse intelligence with "education". Looks like the experiment to educate women at all costs is causing some women to never meet a man and have families. These women, instead of looking inward, are blaming men for the problem. They also refuse to accept that men simply don't want a highly educated women who will then use that educate to satisfy their inferiority complex.

Bingo!

Funny how this article comes right after a study found that very thing to be true in several liberal population centers in the US.

Even WaPo could not spin it (very much): thread-69522.html

Long form of the survey, really very interesting and validates almost every principal of game: http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/4/8/eaap9815

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Postgraduate education is associated with decreased desirability among women

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‘When I mentioned Jeremy Corbyn he said: “Who’s that?” I couldn’t believe it,’ says Natasha.

There's plenty of guys who'd love a chat about how Jeremey Corbyn can sort them out with some redistribution.



But then she'd be exposed as a bigot with stereotypes about the value of poor African men in the dating market.


I went on a date with one of these types of girls. I was just beginning to swallow the red pill at the time. She liked to talk about all manner of intellectual topics, as do I. Other than her various red flags like being an anti-capitalist, I thought it went well and she was pretty hot. It all went down hill when I told her I voted to leave the European Union. This was in July 2015, so the salt mines were in full production. So it seemed that intellectual is great, so long as you feedback their university brainwashing.

When we walked off, we walked past a beggar. I was about to saute my guilt by giving him a pound, but she winced and dragged me away. So much for loving liberals.

Intellectual guys tend to be spindly lefties with a dashing of psychos using the cover of liberalism to mask their Weiner/Weinstein activities. I know a couple of such guys and they struggle mightily with these girls. That filled with their slavish agreement with their left-wing talking points fills them with disgust. As outlined in the article, they are passing up their class-geeks in preference for DJs and mechanics.

There is a really small pool of guys who posses all the attributes they want and as such have a lot of options. Remove some demands or end up the the 41 year old one who still thinks she may have kids.

[kaotic]

One thing I noticed:

-Dated a DJ
-Dated a mechanic
-Dated a musician

The irony in these girls choices are hilarious.

[Isaac Jordan]

(08-17-2018 11:46 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

Here they confuse intelligence with "education".

Indeed.

As I commented in the What do you consider smart thread, the whole point of "intelligence" is that it helps you solve problems so you can get what you want out of life:

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Your average Mensa member might point to my degree from State U, or my SAT score, and claim they're smarter than me. And sure, by objective standards they may be more intelligent. But if you're not living the kind of life you yourself genuinely want to live, how smart can you really be?

Ladies, forget your degrees, your IQ, your CV...what good is your "intellect" if you can't figure out how to get what you want?

[Enoch]

^ The girl is working part-time as nightclub promoter?

Needs a strong pimp hand. Probably wont find it in England unless its a Muslim.

[debeguiled]

Men can't multi-task either. They only go out with women they are attracted to instead of making time for these dorks too.