[Icarus]

(08-16-2018 09:22 AM)Rocha Wrote:  

OP is biased. ISIS territory is nowadays just a pocket in the Syrian desert.

I wouldn't go that far.

ISIS is a bit of a franchise. Any Muslim Morlock who desires to hunt Western Eloi for sport can do so and ISIS will be happy to take the credit. Outside of Syria and Iraq, what is ISIS-held territory?

Using the Wayback Machine, I saw no mention of ISIS presence in Tajikistan in State Department pages. These two bikers were not violating State Department guidelines, were they? Apparently, most in this thread missed that memo.

[Thersites]

(08-16-2018 08:53 AM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  

Once again, going back to Anonymous Conservative, he has a rather interesting idea that leftist / "progressive" types (with their stunted amygdala) cannot mentally process pain nor discomfort properly.
So you see it manifest in rather odd ways.
Such as demanding that reality bend to their juvenile notions of fantasy that everything is fun & rainbows.

Acknowledging that there are actually ruthless & violent people in the world would cause the Soycialist discomfort. Can't have that, so the fantasy persists...

Here is the article from Anon Conservative: Being Taught The American Myth Can Kill You

Quote:

More and more I realize Americans have been systematically blinded to how the world works, specifically to weaken them, and make them more willing sheep on the plantation of their masters. What you accept as normal, and sane, is an illusion created in your brain by the machine, to make you willingly be vulnerable – motivated by social pressures created by the machine. Because conspiracy theorists are ridiculed by everyone else, they get shame and ostracization. And you don’t want shame and ostracization.

It probably doesn’t cost you much if you live in America, because part of our masters’ bargain is they can’t let the vulnerabilities they create in us start getting us killed in too large a number, lest we realize that we have been fooled. So you can be vulnerable here.

But don’t go overseas and think you know how things work, or your brain is programmed for the real world. You are not nearly paranoid enough for a part of the world where information is life and death. Because in those parts of the world, people are motivated to find out everything, by any means, as if their lives depend on it, because often their lives depend on it. And they will do things, no matter how weird, or ridiculous, or extreme by our metrics, to get their intel. In those worlds you cannot be paranoid enough. And when the chaos comes here, the bargain our masters struck will be voided, and then you will not be able to be paranoid enough here either.

To reminiscent an incident that illustrate this point, i had 3 friends that went to med school in the Caribbean. One night, they are walking back to the campus while playing music from Macbook AIr at 2 am. You can guess what happens next. One guy bolted, other two guys fought back for the laptop and one guy got stab with screwdriver. In the end, they got the laptop back due to someone being friends with local drug dealer and finding the guy. Liberals think can prance around neighborhood with expensive laptop in the nice part of town, like Ravenwood in Chicago, they can go anywhere. Until the person gets a dose of reality in the form of robbery as prance around with expensive laptop playing music in Southside of Chicago. Correction, getting shot multiple times.

Twitter user Thomas Victor said it best about this incident:

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Leftists suffer from the sin of PRESUMPTION.

They demand that evil people not be evil, so that the leftists won't feel uncomfortable.

See, when you recognize evil, the moral person wants to stop it.
(10) By refusing to recognize evil, you let yourself off the hook.

You're free o float through life, enjoying sunsets and hearty meals and wine, telling the world, "Everything's just FINE!"
(11) You're free to let yourself off the hook that way, but the OTHER GUYS--the evil ones--are not going to play the game the way you want them to.

INABILITY to confront and acknowledge evil in the world, is the quickest way to extinction.

[General Stalin]

This is like a modern fable encompassing everything about the stereotypical millennial mindset. Feeling of entitlement that they are above working for a living, adoption of alternative diets/lifestyles, desire for "adventure," ignorance of the world around them, broadcasting every fucking breath on social media, and ultimately shooting themselves in the foot due to their naivety and skewed, inexperienced perspective.

[CynicalContrarian]

On that notion of Soycialists only realizing too late when danger is near.

Tex Arcane's (Cleve Blakemore's) account of his neighbour 'Trotsky' during the L.A. riots :

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PART 4

That afternoon, I began hosing down the roof with water to make it difficult for passing rioters to throw a molotov up there and set the house afire if they came by the alleyway. Some of my neighbours were doing same.

The rabid leftist across the street, a guy with a little goatee like Trotsky and an earring, came over and offered me a blank check if I would loan him my .22 pistol for the duration of the riots. He said his girlfriend was so scared she had been unable to sleep and he wanted it to give her a feeling of security. About two weeks beforehand, this guy had given me a long smug lecture about the evils of guns in private hands. I gave him the cold shoulder and told him to go up the street to the gunshop if he needed a gun. He said, "They've got a ninety day waiting period! I already tried!" I told him "You're s**t out of luck, then, I guess. Can you even appreciate the irony? That is called being hoisted by your own petard." It was true. The guy didn't appreciate the irony. He was a creature of emotion and now felt fear, maybe for the first time in his pathetic life. Ah, the utter blindness to self-knowledge of the liberal mind.
...
...falling into a sort of routine watching looters and rioters walk by.

When I opened my eyes, I saw a group of hispanics had parked their asses on the car across the road and were lying across the hood. They had boxes of consumer goods opened all around them and had decided to examine their prizes. It was 'Trotsky's' car across the street, my liberal anti-gun buddy. I could see 'Trotsky' peering through the curtains like a furtive little mouse every few seconds, scared to go outside.
...
The hispanic guy flicked his cigarette at me and kept walking backwards. I was a good 100 meters from the house now. "You ain't sheeit, gringo. Someday this place is gonna be down and brown, porky pig. I'd like to see you try that sheeit again someday."

He turned and trotted off. I stood in the street and kept the shotgun up until the entire street was clear. Then I backed up and went back to the front yard.

'Trotsky' came out of his house, finally. He looked terrified. "Violence doesn't solve anything, man," he croaked.

I stared at him for a long time before I said, "I hope you don't think that you and I are friends. I can do better than you for friends. I have pretended to be civil with you in the past, in the future I want you to stay away from me. You and I are not alike and never will be." Then I turned and went back inside the house.
...
POST SCRIPT

'Trotsky' was beaten to death about a month after the riots and his girlfriend was gang raped and then beaten so badly she was permanently disabled. I never found out whether or not this had anything to do with the riots, it was just one more crazy thing in an era of crazy things. It is possible that 'Trotsky' was in some kind of drug buy that went wrong and that it had nothing at all to do with the riots. I never did figure this one out.

[Foolsgo1d]

Americans stick out as tourists in London and other UK places so to go to some country which has a significant Muslim population and borders countries it has bombed is just asking for trouble.

Those out to kill are not going to discuss the finer points of politics before stabbing you and cutting your head off.

[Jetset]

(08-16-2018 01:18 AM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  

Some liberals, for their part, might view Austin and Geoghegan as martyrs in the struggle for a better world

Except that they weren't struggling for anything, other than to sustain a supply of blood to their brains at the end, there. They were just out for a meaningless, albeit probably scenic, bike ride in a shitty place because they're mildly 'tarded.

I agree with Count Pierre that traveling to Tajikstan is not inherently stupid. However, doing so carelessly, as evidenced by their comments that they believe the dangers are imaginary, some sort of media construct, is absolutely stupid.

This outcome might be unlikely, but so is a house fire, precisely because people take measures to make sure it's unlikely. You can afford to be at least somewhat stupid about this in New York or Paris because strong political institutions do the dirtiest of the dirty work for you. Not so much in Dushanbe.

[CynicalContrarian]

(08-16-2018 11:12 AM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

Americans stick out as tourists in London and other UK places so to go to some country which has a significant Muslim population and borders countries it has bombed is just asking for trouble.
Those out to kill are not going to discuss the finer points of politics before stabbing you and cutting your head off.

You mean they don't have highly stylized, fluoro NorthFace type gear as everyday wear outside of the West...?

(08-16-2018 11:13 AM)Jetset Wrote:  

(08-16-2018 01:18 AM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  

Some liberals, for their part, might view Austin and Geoghegan as martyrs in the struggle for a better world

Except that they weren't struggling for anything, other than to sustain a supply of blood to their brains at the end, there. They were just out for a meaningless, albeit probably scenic, bike ride in a shitty place because they're mildly 'tarded...

The dopamine hits from social media likes clearly weren't enough to numb the pain at the end either...

[Jetset]

(08-16-2018 11:15 AM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  

The dopamine hits from social media likes clearly weren't enough to numb the pain at the end either...

"My only regret is that there's no signal to put this on Facebook Live." - Jay Austin, probably.

[Icarus]

These two Eloi should have read the following:

• Scott Locklin, Never trust anyone who hasn’t been punched in the face, Taki's Magazine, September 07, 2011.
  

Quote:

Conservatives like to talk about the causes of Western Civilization’s downfall: feminism, loose morality, drug abuse, Christianity’s decline, reality TV. Blaming civilization’s downfall on lardy hagfish such as Andrea Dworkin is like a doctor diagnosing senility by an old person’s wrinkles. The fact that anyone listened to such a numskull is a symptom, not the cause, of a culture in decline. The cause of civilizational decline is dirt-simple: lack of contact with objective reality. The great banker-journalist (and founder of the original National Review) Walter Bagehot said it well almost 150 years ago:

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History is strewn with the wrecks of nations which have gained a little progressiveness at the cost of a great deal of hard manliness, and have thus prepared themselves for destruction as soon as the movements of the world gave a chance for it.

Every great civilization reaches a point of prosperity where it is possible to live your entire life as a pacifist without any serious consequences. Many civilizations have come to the state of devolution represented by modern Berkeley folkways, from wife-swapping to vegetarianism. These ideas don’t come from a hardscrabble existence in contact with nature’s elemental forces; they are the inevitable consequence of being an effete urban twit removed from meaningful contact with reality. The over-civilized will try to portray their decadence as something “highly evolved” and worthy of emulation because it can only exist in the hothouse of highly civilized urban centers, much like influenza epidemics.

[arafat scarf]

Terrible way to die from every angle.

A life lived with a gravely mistaken view of reality?
- Check

Death caused by taking on a senseless risk?
- Check

Terrifying and painful ending at the hands of savage attackers?
- Check

Inadvertently becoming a martyr for your ideological opponents?
- Check

To me this story unfortunate and tragic.

[questor70]

(08-16-2018 02:37 AM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

2). This sort of blind idealism and naive faith in humanity was savagely parodied in a 1960 episode of "The Twilight Zone" titled "People Are Alike All Over." If you haven't seen it, here is the best online video (all the others have technical problems).

Susan Oliver...in a toga... WB. Not by Roddy McDowall, of course.

[scotian]

I see guys in Colombia with a total lack of street smarts and self awareness all of the time, both RVF and random gringos, I shake my head a lot down there because of how clueless these people can be, here's my favourite story:

-Last December I was in Cali, Colombia (one of the top 20 or so most dangerous cities in the world) and we decided to have an RVF meet up with a few guys at a restaurant near my place. One of the guys couldn't find it so I told him to meet me at the Juan Valdez (popular coffee shop there).

-So I'm waiting at the coffee shop, which a few days earlier was robbed at 4pm by four punks on motorcycles who burst into the place with weapons and robbed all of the customers of their cell phones, laptops, jewelry, cash, etc. Story here.

-A taxi pulls up in front but I couldn't see the passenger, although I did see the driver was a bit animated so I approached his window to see if it was the RVF dude. Then the guy got out of the passenger side, slams the door (big no in Colombia) and comes up to me saying "I have to go inside and get change for a 50,000 peso note" (the largest bill, often taxis can't change them).

-At that moment I saw that the guy had his wallet completely open in one hand and it was FULL of 50,000 (about $18 USD) and a bunch of green backs, not sure how much but let's say about $300 USD worth of cash, he also had his late model smart phone (probably worth $800-1000), a fucking new Go Pro camera ($300?) and a designer leather back pack with who knows what inside, probably a laptop lol.

-I told the guy "put all that shit in your bag right now!" then I paid the taxi, about $2 for the fare.

I had to lay into the guy, I told him that he's fucking insane to be going around Cali flaunting that shit and he's lucky that the taxi didn't jack him which happens all of the time and also how about the coffee shop was violently robbed just a few days before. He literally had about 2-3 months worth of that taxi driver's earnings waving around in his hands.

At first he was dismissive and thought I was overreacting but I think he eventually got the point, there was another incident at a bar where this guy was counting his bills from his wallet at a seat on the patio next to the street in a rough part of town, I had to tell him to put that shit away too. I haven't heard from him since, hopefully he made it home in one piece.

[balybary]

Quote:

Throughout the trip, the couple embraced the kindness of strangers and sought to demonstrate that people are inherently good.

“You read the papers and you’re led to believe that the world is a big, scary place," Austin wrote. “People, the narrative goes, are not to be trusted. People are bad. People are evil."

“I don’t buy it," he continued. "Evil is a make-believe concept we’ve invented to deal with the complexities of fellow humans holding values and beliefs and perspectives different than our own... By and large, humans are kind. Self-interested sometimes, myopic sometimes, but kind. Generous and wonderful and kind.”

A powerful warhammer: the foolproof concept we’ve invented to deal with the complexities of fellow humans holding values and beliefs and perspectives different than our own...

[portofmanteau]

The cherry-picked quotes look bad but the whole reason for the article is to smear them. If I felt like I were rotting away in a dead-end job I hope I'd do the same thing as them - go on an adventure, see a new place, take stock in my life and what I actually want to be doing with it. Isn't that how Roosh started writing? You're a lot more likely to get kidnapped or stabbed doing the shit scotian mentioned above, even in US cities.

These two were the first Western tourists ever killed in Tajikistan. Some of the responses in this thread look like parodies. "ISIS-controlled Tajikistan"?

[Kona]

Maybe ISIS sells infidel killing tours like the eco tour company sells bike tours?

Aloha!

[Foolsgo1d]

(08-16-2018 11:15 AM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  

You mean they don't have highly stylized, fluoro NorthFace type gear as everyday wear outside of the West...?

You mean that post flew right over your head. I bet I could spot you as a tourist pretty easily and its nothing to do with flaming bright colours.

[Repo]

(08-16-2018 04:07 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

(08-16-2018 11:15 AM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  

You mean they don't have highly stylized, fluoro NorthFace type gear as everyday wear outside of the West...?

You mean that post flew right over your head. I bet I could spot you as a tourist pretty easily and its nothing to do with flaming bright colours.

Pretty sure he was agreeing with you and just making a joke. . ..

[MrLemon]

They should have made flags that said "ISIS PLEASE KILL US" and flown them behind their little bikes.

[gework]

(08-16-2018 02:37 AM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

1). Has anyone ever compiled a list of idealists whose lives get ruined by the very ideals they espouse?

Woman who died climbing Everest wanted to prove vegans are not ‘weak’

Swedish transsexual offers to help an African immigrant. When the immigrant finds out the guy is trans, he murders him. 4 years.

Young immigrant girl who volunteered at a migrant shelter for minors is viciously murdered by an adult posing as a child

Foster mother who had her whole family switch to halal meat for their "12 year old" Afghan refugee ward, only to find out he is an adult Jihadist with terrorist material and images of child sex abuse on his phone. Threatens to kill the family.

Male Norwegian politician raped by asylum seeker says he feels GUILTY that his attacker will now be deported because the man might suffer back in Somalia

White Malcolm X scholar is writing an article on the injustice of the stereotypes of black men. On the same night she is raped by a black man who thinks her academic credentials are worth a slap. Blames the attack on the white patriarchy.

[Sooth]

(08-16-2018 05:26 PM)gework Wrote:  

Woman who died climbing Everest wanted to prove vegans are not ‘weak’

When I first saw that article the headline was something like "Vegan woman climbs Everest to prove vegans aren't weak - dies."

Nearly spat my coffee.

[CynicalContrarian]

(08-16-2018 06:08 PM)Sooth Wrote:  

(08-16-2018 05:26 PM)gework Wrote:  

Woman who died climbing Everest wanted to prove vegans are not ‘weak’

When I first saw that article the headline was something like "Vegan woman climbs Everest to prove vegans aren't weak - dies."

Nearly spat my coffee.

The better joke. Which I do not claim ownership of, yet enjoy the black humour none-the-less :

"Vegan dies doing what she loved. Telling the world she is a vegan..."

[Jetset]

Anti-bullfighting activist gored by bull: http://en.rfi.fr/france/20170828-anti-bu...ench-arena

[CaptainChardonnay]

(08-16-2018 05:26 PM)gework Wrote:  

(08-16-2018 02:37 AM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

1). Has anyone ever compiled a list of idealists whose lives get ruined by the very ideals they espouse?

Woman who died climbing Everest wanted to prove vegans are not ‘weak’

Swedish transsexual offers to help an African immigrant. When the immigrant finds out the guy is trans, he murders him. 4 years.

Young immigrant girl who volunteered at a migrant shelter for minors is viciously murdered by an adult posing as a child

Foster mother who had her whole family switch to halal meat for their "12 year old" Afghan refugee ward, only to find out he is an adult Jihadist with terrorist material and images of child sex abuse on his phone. Threatens to kill the family.

Male Norwegian politician raped by asylum seeker says he feels GUILTY that his attacker will now be deported because the man might suffer back in Somalia

White Malcolm X scholar is writing an article on the injustice of the stereotypes of black men. On the same night she is raped by a black man who thinks her academic credentials are worth a slap. Blames the attack on the white patriarchy.

This thread delivers!

[kmhour]

(08-16-2018 02:37 AM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

I recently came across a report on CBS News that said one in five Peace Corps volunteers gets sexually assaulted.

Wow. That's almost as dangerous as an American university campus.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(08-16-2018 02:37 AM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

Two thoughts:

1). Has anyone ever compiled a list of idealists whose lives get ruined by the very ideals they espouse? I know there are others like these two -- such as the murdered Italian feminist Pippa Bacca. This would make for a good Return Of Kings article. Speaking of which, I recently came across a report on CBS News that said one in five Peace Corps volunteers gets sexually assaulted.

2). This sort of blind idealism and naive faith in humanity was savagely parodied in a 1960 episode of "The Twilight Zone" titled "People Are Alike All Over." If you haven't seen it, here is the best online video (all the others have technical problems).

I would recommend not reading the plot synopsis ahead of time so as not to ruin the twist ending. This show was constantly rebroad cast on the SyFy Network, so you'd think these two might have seen this episode. But even if they did, they probably wouldn't have heeded its warning. There is no reasoning with True Believers In The Cause.

1. Women getting raped/killed in countries like Haiti - notable case this one that got raped on a roof by an "oppressed" black man as she screamed that she read Malcolm X

Happens constantly in Africa. Africa is all safe and fine until it isn't. Even supposedly stable and safe countries like Botswana have through-the-roof rape, murder and kidnapping rates.

2. Women who travel to Palestine because they feel with the poor oppressed Palestinians. There are hundreds of women who entered the area, were then forcibly married to a local men and were never again allowed to leave or even contact their family back home.

Read recently an article on the topic, because of how often it happens. It's sometimes literally a few dozen miles away from the oppressive state of Israel and they are set to live in captivity for the rest of their lives.

3. Women who marry enlightened oppressed Muslim men - hundreds of thousands of Western women doing it in the West. They know nothing about Islam when usually converting. 10% of the marriages are happy and fine, often because the Muslim is very secular, extremely loving or an undercover Ex-Muslim. The divorce rate however is approaching 80% (if they can divorce living in the West).

The foundation Estera helps women get out of those relationships safely and has some stats compiled. The death rate of women is at times approaching their chances of being happy in a Muslim marriage. The number of women who get their kids taken away to a Muslim country is somewhere around 15-20%.

Most of this is based on simply indoctrination about the true nature of the religion. They usually find out about it until it is too late and they are married with a child on the way. Standard fare - before conversion given a book by Rumi (who was killed by Muslims btw), afterwards find out that Rumi's teachings did not have much to do with Islam at all. (Wine drinking Persian mystic was more a Zoroastran than Muslim.)

4. Women get constantly raped and murdered in the West now as they embrace the lovely refugees. There are so many cases of refugee aid workers who experience violence, that we could cite dozens of articles.


5. Couples traveling in dangerous location in their blue-eyed pacifist equalist mindset.

I can think of this one here, but also the one in Africa who got shot by some warlord group and even put on the internet.


Of course those things can change over time, but a wise man calculates his chances with each endeavor. Travel, bangs - certainly marriages have to be put on a risk-reward ratio.

What the couple did was the equivalent of an 80yo rich Gamma male marrying a 21yo woman whose last 2 husbands died mysterious deaths. If the woman had been biking alone through Marocco and Egypt, then she would likely already be dead. They were safer as a couple until they met a more believing Islamic group of men.

This could have happened to them in some areas in Egypt or Lebanon - nothing special about it.

It's really funny if you think about it that the average liberal woman is being told lies about mostly harmless things:

+ rape culture in colleges - especially White frat boys
+ Hollywood moguls and powerful men sometimes badly flirting with them while fucking them can sometimes bring great dividends (almost all of those encounters were just calculated bangs for profit and not rape)
+ evil Trump supporters and male supremacist "pro-rape" groups like us - they are literally Nazis

Harmless and oppressed:

- Muslim refugees
- ghetto blacks in rough parts of town - they are just exciting bad boys (cultured educated black men are almost as bad as those terrible white privileged men)
- Anyone brown and not White anywhere in the world - even if it's a violence infested country where killing someone for 100$ is legit

So the women in the West are literally brainwashed to fear those who could protect them and embrace those who might rape and kill them at a much higher rate. It's bizarre how good their propaganda works.