[Cobra]

Race thread potential = already reached but pushing further.

[Aurini]

(08-04-2018 05:21 AM)Ocelot Wrote:  

10/10 thread.

Ideas for next thread title: “Are Abbos Human?”, “Are Italians White?”, “The Irish are white, but are they huWhite??”, “Are white people who own pitbulls still white?”

I look forward to your futute contributions.

Italians are Best White. Prove me wrong.

[Oz.]

I was going to provide an answer to this and my opinion on it, but then I remembered my low IQ as a Hispanic.

[NoMoreTO]

Not sure where this thread is going, but heres a few bullet points:
- Hispanic just means Spanish speaking, and includes Spain - which is ethnically European with some arab blood from the moors.

- A Brazilian is not Hispanic, but is latino.
- to me the question is like asking, are English speaking people European - not all because there are Jamaicans, African americans, Asians born in USA who speak English. Maybe I am splitting hairs, but we are mixing genetic heritage with language, which are two different things.

- Agree with earlier comment about settlement, did the conquistadors settle by bringing women over, not as much. They conquered and bred with the local women. This was far more common in south America and Mexico vs. 13 Colonies where the colonization was based on families on boats going over and farming.

- Culturally, I like the book "Clash of Civilizations". He describes how latin America culturally is related to the west , but very different. He also indicates how Eastern Orthodox and Slavic (Russia Poland, Ukraine) are different than western culture, but still with many similarities. You could make an argument that Mexico is as similar to USA as is Russia, so I would separate culture out.

- I do agree with Jordan Peterson in his questions "who exactly is white". We don't really have the answer to this question. For instance, my buddy is portugeese, and in Canada, he counts as a visible minority and qualifies under the equity rules.

- OP said that the typical Hispanic is 66% white as per ancestry. To me that's fairly white, and it means that some are 80 and others are 50 or less. If someone was 66% black we would call them black, we call Obama black and he is 50%. Either way this thread is meandering

[Repo]

I did some intense 5 second research on IQ, and was shocked to find that Italy has the highest IQ of white European countries, even though among certain circles they only have honorary white status at best.

Further, the average IQ of Spain is actually higher than the average IQ of Israel. Perhaps instead of the JQ we need to start asking the HQ.

[Teedub]

(08-04-2018 11:12 AM)Dodgy Wrote:  

But to the OP, I took one of those DNA tests and I got back 65% Spanish/Italian, 30% Native American and 5% Balkans/Turkish/Lebonese. But as a "Hispanic" I've never considered myself European and never wanted to be European. And I'm sure that hispanics all over the world (with the exception of Argentines) don't consider themselves European either.

Spain too, ha. Uruguayans as well, from my experience. And many Chileans actually. Regarding 'Latino', which includes Brazilians, loads of Brazilians (particularly in the south, and I'm talking tens of millions of people, maybe hundreds across the whole country) consider themselves to be European. Usually of Italian and German descent.

[Teedub]

(08-04-2018 12:15 PM)NoMoreTO Wrote:  

I do agree with Jordan Peterson in his questions "who exactly is white". We don't really have the answer to this question. For instance, my buddy is portugeese, and in Canada, he counts as a visible minority and qualifies under the equity rules.

As a Brit, that has blown my mind. I'm not exaggerating, that's completely bizarre to me. We holiday in Portugal a lot as a nation, and one of the most famous Portuguese people we have is the football manager Jose Mourhino (you pronounce the J [like a 'zhe', not like in Spanish where it's a 'H' kind of sound]).. and absolutely nobody in Britain would think he wasn't a white person. He wouldn't either. Go to 0:30 for the joke in question.

North Americans (particularly in the US) are basically Nordicists, particularly in regards to the Iberian peninsula and its descendants in South America. This attitude will change alongside demographics as I've mentioned many times, as it did with Italians.

[Tyrion]

(08-04-2018 01:19 PM)Teedub Wrote:  

(08-04-2018 12:15 PM)NoMoreTO Wrote:  

I do agree with Jordan Peterson in his questions "who exactly is white". We don't really have the answer to this question. For instance, my buddy is portugeese, and in Canada, he counts as a visible minority and qualifies under the equity rules.

As a Brit, that has blown my mind. I'm not exaggerating, that's completely bizarre to me. We holiday in Portugal a lot as a nation, and one of the most famous Portuguese people we have is the football manager Jose Mourhino (you pronounce the J [like a 'zhe', not like in Spanish where it's a 'H' kind of sound]).. and absolutely nobody in Britain would think he wasn't a white person. He wouldn't either. Go to 0:30 for the joke in question.

North Americans (particularly in the US) are basically Nordicists, particularly in regards to the Iberian peninsula and its descendants in South America. This attitude will change alongside demographics as I've mentioned many times, as it did with Italians.

Do you think U.S is 76% white or 60%?

60% is the number of non-hispanic whites in the US.

76% 'white' includes everyone who marks 'white' on census form (Hispanics, Europeans, North Africans, Arabs etc)

[Sidney Crosby]

It depends on who you ask, if I asked my Grandma she would basically say only British/Irish, Scandinavian and German people are white. For example a Yugoslav or Italian (especially Southern) wouldn't be considered white to her.

[rudebwoy]

What does it matter?

[Parras]

This guy is a proud Mexican.

^^^ He's got the Poncho, Mariachi music entrance, and everything.

Is Canelo Alvarez white?

[Parras]

(08-04-2018 05:27 PM)Tyrion Wrote:  

(08-04-2018 01:19 PM)Teedub Wrote:  

(08-04-2018 12:15 PM)NoMoreTO Wrote:  

I do agree with Jordan Peterson in his questions "who exactly is white". We don't really have the answer to this question. For instance, my buddy is portugeese, and in Canada, he counts as a visible minority and qualifies under the equity rules.

As a Brit, that has blown my mind. I'm not exaggerating, that's completely bizarre to me. We holiday in Portugal a lot as a nation, and one of the most famous Portuguese people we have is the football manager Jose Mourhino (you pronounce the J [like a 'zhe', not like in Spanish where it's a 'H' kind of sound]).. and absolutely nobody in Britain would think he wasn't a white person. He wouldn't either. Go to 0:30 for the joke in question.

North Americans (particularly in the US) are basically Nordicists, particularly in regards to the Iberian peninsula and its descendants in South America. This attitude will change alongside demographics as I've mentioned many times, as it did with Italians.

Do you think U.S is 76% white or 60%?

60% is the number of non-hispanic whites in the US.

76% 'white' includes everyone who marks 'white' on census form (Hispanics, Europeans, North Africans, Arabs etc)

In the U.S. Census they only give you the option of race. For instance this one time they didn't have the label "Hispanic" on there so I didn't really know what to put down.

I didn't want to put down "white" because I don't consider myself a white Anglo guy, but I didn't want to put down "Native American" either because that wouldn't be correct either. I consider myself Meztiso or Spanish blood mixed in with some Aztec like most Mexicans, but they didn't have that either on the census.

I just left it blank and put "other".

The U.S. needs to get their races, and ethnic categories right. Hispanic is a very broad term.

[godzilla]

When I was growing up I considered myself white. But then when I was applying to college I knew it would help to get in, so I checked off Hispanic.

My white friends growing up never said I was anything other than white and never made any races jokes really. They just busted my balls that I swam across the ocean from Havana to Florida to get here. My white friends from college have never even mentioned my race.

I remember this black guy in high school once asked me "What am I?" and I'm like "I dunno. I'm Cuban". He was like, "Oh you black Godzilla"

I remember this Puerto Rican girl saying to me one night out in Philly "You're a fucking white guy", and I'm like "bitch you're fucking white woman". (I don't think I said bitch but that sounds better). A lot of Latinos do not consider me Hispanic in America.

When I was in Latin America, they basically just considered me one of them. Mexicans just made fun of me for being from Gringolandia. When I was in Europe, I was clearly not white in the Northern countries like Denmark or Estonia, which was actually very helpful for game.

When I got older, I realized my grandmother was black. So does that mean I'm Latino or white now? No idea.

Nowadays, I just pick the race that best suits me. When I was applying to jobs recently, I checked off white if it was a small company(just in case they are afraid of lawsuits) and Hispanic it was a larger company (diversity).

Frankly, don't really care what I am.

Basically, the point of that story was that none of this really makes any sense.

[Parras]

^^^@Godzilla

Interesting. I knew a white girl who literally just looked like a typical American white girl who was a quarter Mexican. One of her grandparents was Mexican or something like that.

She would always put down "Hispanic" in job applications because she felt it helped her with landing jobs because of the bias that many in America have that Hispanics are hard workers. She told me that she had more calls from employers when she put down that she was "Hispanic" than when she put down "white".

Me as you, I just go with the flow. Fuck it. If one gets too caught up into their racial makeup they can go crazy. There are people who think Im white and there are other people who think "well, you're not really white, WHITE".

Fuck it. Whatever floats their boat. Use it to your advantage and wherever its convenient.

[lonewolf1992]

The first forum I've ever joined to practice my english was Stormfront since I used to consider myself quite different (white) from some of my fellow colombian citizens. I'm not racist anymore though. I've learned to appreciate masculinity in different cultures. However, when I see what the stereotype is for hispanics in the west to what I see in my social circle, friends, family, and even in myself. I end up with huge identity issues haha.

Some examples of non-white colombians (?)










We might not be fully considered part of the 'west' by some of the anglo/nordic looking people. But some of us relatively white latins are christians, speak spanish and english, some of us are capitalists at heart. Some of us admire the ways of the 'westerners'. Some of us listen to Chopin while read to Dostoievsky. Enjoy a Kubrick film and listen to Pink floyd. Enjoy and play football or rugby. Some of us end up in a english-speaking community which complains about the state of modern women while bashing at the current dating market. If that doesn't give you a picture, I don't know what would do. Cheers.

Peace!

[Thot Leader]

(08-04-2018 12:15 PM)NoMoreTO Wrote:  

I do agree with Jordan Peterson in his questions "who exactly is white". We don't really have the answer to this question. For instance, my buddy is portugeese, and in Canada, he counts as a visible minority and qualifies under the equity rules.

Is that an official Canadian policy? I've known a zillion porkchops and they've never been considered minorities, always white.

[Teedub]

If anyone thinks that those Colombians above aren't anything other than white then they're a moron of epic proportions. P.S Would love to smash those second set of chicks you posted.

(08-04-2018 05:27 PM)Tyrion Wrote:  

Do you think U.S is 76% white or 60%?

60% is the number of non-hispanic whites in the US.

76% 'white' includes everyone who marks 'white' on census form (Hispanics, Europeans, North Africans, Arabs etc)

Closer to 76%. If the 'Arabs' hitting white are people like Roosh, would anyone question that? If the 'North Africans' are people like Zidane, likewise.

I genuinely think a vast majority of Americans (and American-born 'Hispanics'... see Jessica Alba's race reveal on George Lopez, an utter idiot, savage comment section) are clueless about race (and geographically ignorant)*, and often can't differentiate between race, ethnicity, and even language in some cases. I've lost 'forum friends' due to my vitriol in this regard. I think the arguments fail to pass basic look tests. With the Jessica Alba's, it's more to do with trendy anti-whiteness and wanting privilege points. As I've said many times on this forum, people like her, Jennifer Lopez, Ricky Martin, Oscar De La Hoya... were ALL regarded as white (southern European kind of white) in Britain when they were famous. If anywhere in the world can decide who is and isn't white, given our history, it's Britain. If Europeans themselves consider you white, you're white. I find it quite/very irritating that American globalisation is starting to make the term 'Latino' appear here and there in our print media.

(08-04-2018 08:46 PM)Parras Wrote:  

Is Canelo Alvarez white?

If he isn't white, then neither are tons of Irish people! He's absolutely white.

* I blame most of this on the white (or near enough) hispanics themselves. If they stood up and said "Oi, we're white", then people would be scared of the r word and flip script immediately. I know why there's no push for this, it's entirely in the Democrats interests to keep them thinking as a minority voting bloc. I bet if Cameron DIAZ (nice anglo sounding name right there) came around today she'd be saying how she's Cuban and "not fucking white, right?" to score SJW points. This topic does my fucking head in, as you can all probably tell.

[britchard]

Old views of whiteness are more to do with Protestantism vs Catholicism than anything else. Hence why Italians weren't considered 'white' for quite a long time, and Irish people although being obviously white still weren't classed as part of the 'white group'.

The only objective way to measure whiteness would be to literally have a colour chart you could compare against people's skin colour, with a cut-off point when people can no longer be classified as white. Lionel Messi is whiter in skin colour than Sean Connery, but who is considered to be more 'white' my most Americans?

[T777]

Even the Spaniards who occupied South America and the Philippines are not pure Caucasian: they actually have a mixture of Caucasian and Arab genes because there was a time when Spain and even Portugal were occupied by the Islamic Caliphate. This period of rule, which lasted from 711-1492, had Arabs settling in the Iberian peninsula and intermarrying with the local Caucasian women, producing people of mixed race. Even after the Arabs were driven out of the Iberian peninsula in a war known as the Reconquista, it was already too late because the Arabs had already race-mixed with the Caucasians for 781 years.

[Teedub]

(08-05-2018 03:54 AM)britchard Wrote:  

Old views of whiteness are more to do with Protestantism vs Catholicism than anything else. Hence why Italians weren't considered 'white' for quite a long time, and Irish people although being obviously white still weren't classed as part of the 'white group'.

The only objective way to measure whiteness would be to literally have a colour chart you could compare against people's skin colour, with a cut-off point when people can no longer be classified as white. Lionel Messi is whiter in skin colour than Sean Connery, but who is considered to be more 'white' my most Americans?

Spot on. It's simply American WASPism. Lionel Messi is 100% European genetically (and it's not just skin colour but facial features etc that separate, say a Caucasoid from a Negroid - to be completely non-PC scientific), yet to many Americans simply by being from South America he's a made up race called 'Latino'. Messi is whiter in skin colour than Donald Trump! The ultimate symbol of whiteness in the States. They're probably the same without the excessive golfing and tanning from the God Emperor.

(08-05-2018 04:10 AM)T777 Wrote:  

Even the Spaniards who occupied South America and the Philippines are not pure Caucasian: they actually have a mixture of Caucasian and Arab genes because there was a time when Spain and even Portugal were occupied by the Islamic Caliphate. This period of rule, which lasted from 711-1492, had Arabs settling in the Iberian peninsula and intermarrying with the local Caucasian women, producing people of mixed race. Even after the Arabs were driven out of the Iberian peninsula in a war known as the Reconquista, it was already too late because the Arabs had already race-mixed with the Caucasians for 781 years.

A few posts in and you're already wading in on race threads... tread carefully friend. Anyway, have you ever been to Spain? Lots of them are light skinned with blue eyes. Much like the Romans in Britain, the moors did not leave much genetic heritage. In fact, many Italian Americans are Sicilian, and much more mixed than plenty of Spaniards (look at someone like Paulie Malinaggi for example), yet in America they're 'white' (mostly), and the blue eyed Spaniard is 'Hispanic' (which isn't even a race on the consensus, yet is treated as one by the media and thus the people). Moronic.

[Teedub]

Man, that white Colombian girl on our right (the one with the slightly shorter hair). She's almost a spit of a girl I used to really like at university (English girl) — I can't stop looking at the photo.

[nomadbrah]

Irish and Italians (and other meds) have NEVER been considered non-white.

I strongly suspect this is jewish revisionism.

The big book on antrophology in the US was "The Passing of the Great Race" by Madison Grant in 1916 and he identified Nordic, Alpine and Mediteranean subraces of white.

Quote:

subdivided Caucasoids into three groups: Nordics (who inhabited Scandinavia, northern Germany, Austria-Hungary, parts of England, Scotland and Ireland, Holland, Flanders, parts of northern France, parts of Russia, and northern Poland, and parts of Central Europe), Alpines (whose territory stretched from central Europe, parts of northern Italy, southern Poland to the Balkans/Southeastern Europe, central/southern Russia, Turkey and even into Central Asia), and Mediterraneans (who inhabited southern France, the Iberian peninsula, southern Italy, Greece, Wales, parts of England and Scotland, North Africa, and [i][i]parts of the Middle East and Central and South Asia[/i][/i]).

Yeah, that's a big lie.

Quote:

Both before and after the American Civil War, many people of mixed ancestry who "looked white" and were of mostly white ancestry were legally absorbed into the white majority. State laws established differing standards. For instance, an 1822 Virginia law stated that to be defined as mulatto (that is, multi-racial), a person had to have at least one-quarter (equivalent to one grandparent) African ancestry.[quote 2] Social acceptance and identity were historically the keys to racial identity. Virginia's one-fourth standard remained in place until 1910

Thus for most of US history, a person with his 1 black grandmother, would be clearly classified as white.

In other words, the "one drop rule" is NOT historical fact until a few states following 1920.

And yes, there was a eugenicist movement (and white separatism) in the 1920s, which did indeed inspire the nazis, but lets ask the question why?



The 1910s had a massive jewish immigration into the US:



Then as now, with growing jewish power, comes growing anti-white, anti-christian sentiments.

With anti-white, anti-christian sentiment comes growing white nationalism.

The wheels go round and round and we repeat our mistakes over and over.

We're literally doing a re-enactment of the 1920s to 1940s, which should worry people I guess. I'd say we are now solidly in the 1930s, but the beginning only. Under Obama we were clearly in the 1920s.

[BlueMark]

EDIT: I voted for "Other."

From Wikipedia:

"Hispanic" in the US classification system is an "ethnicity", not a race. The only choices for "ethnicity" are "Hispanic" and "Non-Hispanic."

Quote:

Because of the technical distinctions involved in defining "race" vs. "ethnicity," there is confusion among the general population about the designation of Hispanic identity. Currently, the United States Census Bureau defines six race categories:[39]

White or Caucasian
Black or African American
American Indian or Alaska Native
Asian
Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander
Some Other Race
...
Therefore, a person of Hispanic descent is typically defined using both race and ethnicity as an identifier—i.e., Black-Hispanic, White-Hispanic, Asian-Hispanic, Amerindian-Hispanic or "other race" Hispanic.

Do you see the problem? The classification system used in the USA is confusing because it has two completely orthogonal criteria, race. By orthogonal I mean it is valid to choose any combination of race and "ethnicity". I've always seen "Hispanic" to mean cultural background from the countries of Hispanic heritage: Spain/Portugal and most of Latin America (there are of course a few exceptions like former Dutch, French, and British colonies).

So, you could have people identifying as: White Hispanics, black Hispanics, and Asian Hispanics. All of these are valid according to these definitions. White Hispanics have already been covered in this thread. Black Hispanics could be e.g. Dominicans or Brazilians of African origin. There are lots of native-born Asians in countries like Brazil and Peru. In fact Peru had a Japanese-Peruvian president, Alberto Fujimori, and Brazil is home to the largest population of people of Japanese descent outside of Japan.

Back to the thread topic -- "Are Hispanics white?" is a poorly worded question because of the semantics of the above classification system. It's like asking "are apples orange [color adjective]?" when I wonder if the OP meant to ask "are apples the same as oranges [noun]." Yes, there are apples of all colors -- red, green, yellow, and orange, but apples are not oranges.

I don't think we should address the original topic until the OP revises (or abandons) his question, or otherwise explains why I am wrong to say that the question was poorly worded.

[Only One Man]

There are only three races. Black, Asian and Caucasian.

[Parras]

(08-05-2018 02:03 AM)Teedub Wrote:  

If anyone thinks that those Colombians above aren't anything other than white then they're a moron of epic proportions. P.S Would love to smash those second set of chicks you posted.

(08-04-2018 05:27 PM)Tyrion Wrote:  

Do you think U.S is 76% white or 60%?

60% is the number of non-hispanic whites in the US.

76% 'white' includes everyone who marks 'white' on census form (Hispanics, Europeans, North Africans, Arabs etc)

Closer to 76%. If the 'Arabs' hitting white are people like Roosh, would anyone question that? If the 'North Africans' are people like Zidane, likewise.

I genuinely think a vast majority of Americans (and American-born 'Hispanics'... see Jessica Alba's race reveal on George Lopez, an utter idiot, savage comment section) are clueless about race (and geographically ignorant)*, and often can't differentiate between race, ethnicity, and even language in some cases. I've lost 'forum friends' due to my vitriol in this regard. I think the arguments fail to pass basic look tests. With the Jessica Alba's, it's more to do with trendy anti-whiteness and wanting privilege points. As I've said many times on this forum, people like her, Jennifer Lopez, Ricky Martin, Oscar De La Hoya... were ALL regarded as white (southern European kind of white) in Britain when they were famous. If anywhere in the world can decide who is and isn't white, given our history, it's Britain. If Europeans themselves consider you white, you're white. I find it quite/very irritating that American globalisation is starting to make the term 'Latino' appear here and there in our print media.

(08-04-2018 08:46 PM)Parras Wrote:  

Is Canelo Alvarez white?

If he isn't white, then neither are tons of Irish people! He's absolutely white.

* I blame most of this on the white (or near enough) hispanics themselves. If they stood up and said "Oi, we're white", then people would be scared of the r word and flip script immediately. I know why there's no push for this, it's entirely in the Democrats interests to keep them thinking as a minority voting bloc. I bet if Cameron DIAZ (nice anglo sounding name right there) came around today she'd be saying how she's Cuban and "not fucking white, right?" to score SJW points. This topic does my fucking head in, as you can all probably tell.

Here's the problem with that. If white Hispanics automatically started saying they're white, they wouldn't be totally accepted into the dominant white American culture. For example, Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz who are Republicans by the way, were really not accepted by the white community. Everyone just saw them as two Cuban Hispanics. Hell even those guys during a debate tried to "out-Hispanic" each other when Rubio claimed that Ted Cruz didn't know Spanish.

^^^Hispanics in America don't like it when you tell them that their Spanish sucks, because they feel like they are less Hispanic because of it. Ted Cruz looked pissed in that video.

It is very similar to the vdeo you talked about with Jessica Alba and George Lopez where people in the audience and even George Lopez himself looked at her salty because she wasn't "brown enough" therefore not Hispanic. I don't remember exactly the percentage of European that Jessica Alba had, I think it was 80%. But the funny part is that George Lopez also pulled around 55% European so he also has some white blood in him as well.

Cameron Diaz also went on the George Lopez show eating cuban sandwiches and claiming she was Hispanic by flaunting her Cuban roots.


If Hispanics all of a sudden started saying they are white, they will be called the Black versions of "uncle toms" and look down by their communities.

Its a complicated issue when it comes to Hispanics in America.