[a beer is enough]

(08-02-2018 09:10 PM)Mizo1234 Wrote:  

@ beer is enough .
Dude , if you think age is a thing . Just lie about it . I think you are Indian so you age well .

It isn't as much as aging and looks as it is the circumstances that come with age itself.

A guy in his teens and twenties is around a lot of people his age who are open to having fun and going out as well as the whole partying and drinking lifestyle. He has access to those younger social circles and that younger crowd of people that makes it easier for him to meet new women. On top of that he can work a job like bartender at the age of 24 or 25 where it is fun and socially acceptable as opposed to doing it in his 30s where he will be seen as weird for it.

It is just that there are more avenues open to pursue that sort of a life in your twenties than your thirties.

In your thirties it is all about being serious, everyone around your age is getting married, it is tough to fit in socially with younger people without being seen as weird for it and it just seems like you turn bitter towards game and chasing women. I do think your twenties are the best time to fuck lots of hot girls, it will take a miracle to pull it off in your thirties.

[Clint Barton]

Are you in your 30s? If not, then don't talk like you know what men in their 30s are doing, fucking chump. Plenty of other men on the forum and myself have fucked more and hotter girls in our 30s than you ever will. Most of the girls I banged in my 30s were in their early 20s.

(08-02-2018 10:00 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

(08-02-2018 09:10 PM)Mizo1234 Wrote:  

@ beer is enough .
Dude , if you think age is a thing . Just lie about it . I think you are Indian so you age well .

It isn't as much as aging and looks as it is the circumstances that come with age itself.

A guy in his teens and twenties is around a lot of people his age who are open to having fun and going out as well as the whole partying and drinking lifestyle. He has access to those younger social circles and that younger crowd of people that makes it easier for him to meet new women. On top of that he can work a job like bartender at the age of 24 or 25 where it is fun and socially acceptable as opposed to doing it in his 30s where he will be seen as weird for it.

It is just that there are more avenues open to pursue that sort of a life in your twenties than your thirties.

In your thirties it is all about being serious, everyone around your age is getting married, it is tough to fit in socially with younger people without being seen as weird for it and it just seems like you turn bitter towards game and chasing women. I do think your twenties are the best time to fuck lots of hot girls, it will take a miracle to pull it off in your thirties.

[Rocha]

(08-02-2018 10:05 PM)Clint Barton Wrote:  

Are you in your 30s? If not, then don't talk like you know what men in their 30s are doing, fucking chump. Plenty of other men on the forum and myself have fucked more and hotter girls in our 30s than you ever will. Most of the girls I banged in my 30s were in their early 20s.

(08-02-2018 10:00 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

(08-02-2018 09:10 PM)Mizo1234 Wrote:  

@ beer is enough .
Dude , if you think age is a thing . Just lie about it . I think you are Indian so you age well .

It isn't as much as aging and looks as it is the circumstances that come with age itself.

A guy in his teens and twenties is around a lot of people his age who are open to having fun and going out as well as the whole partying and drinking lifestyle. He has access to those younger social circles and that younger crowd of people that makes it easier for him to meet new women. On top of that he can work a job like bartender at the age of 24 or 25 where it is fun and socially acceptable as opposed to doing it in his 30s where he will be seen as weird for it.

It is just that there are more avenues open to pursue that sort of a life in your twenties than your thirties.

In your thirties it is all about being serious, everyone around your age is getting married, it is tough to fit in socially with younger people without being seen as weird for it and it just seems like you turn bitter towards game and chasing women. I do think your twenties are the best time to fuck lots of hot girls, it will take a miracle to pull it off in your thirties.

[monsquid]

I like how DJs, bartenders, and promoters suddenly became the go to professions for getting poosy. This is terrible advice and I'm quite troubled by the meta narrative coming out of this discussion for the younger guys. It's not just this thread either.

Your 20s should be spent hustling and working hard to develop skills and experiences. Trust me you don't want to be the guys in your 30s and worse yet 40s trying to make ends meet in a shit job answering to managers and bosses younger than yourself.

HM is absolutely right that the sacrifices you make in your 20s will pay dividend + interest in your 30s and beyond. Your 20s should be used to work hard and maybe play hard when you have a downtime here and there. Chasing poosy via lifestyle will get you nowhere fast.

[StrikeBack]

100% agreement with HankMoody and monsquid regarding the above.

I don't really know DJ and promoter scenes, but most bartenders I run into in Australia or in my trips to America look like fags, and are busy and grumpy all night dealing with shitty drunk customers. Don't look like they're having fun, let alone getting laid. I know some of the ex-bartenders, they're now broke and date trashy women.

On the age factor, I attract more early 20s girls in my 30s than when I was in my 20s. On average, the girls I attract in my 30s are actually younger than in my 20s. The only thing I regret in my 20s is not taking my finances and investments more seriously. I'm doing about 2x better financially in all categories than my nation's average in my age group now, but I would've been so much further ahead if I had taken a keener interest in finance back then.

[Fortis]

I do agree with Clint. I just turned 29 and I think my quality is going up, not down. I think me and other guys also notice that we're attracting way younger girls now that we're closer to and over 30. It's a bit of a mind fuck, but I'd say my average age difference is about 7+ years younger than me. Also, I look like the fucking man when I'm with a group of younger people. The dudes are callow and inexperienced and I seem cool as fuck since I've traveled more, fucked more, drank more and just done more.


I think A Beer Is Enough you're a bit younger, right?

I am guilty of this sometimes, but it does us all well to remember our lanes.

If you're a guy in your early 20s, you gotta remember that your thoughts on the reality of game may just be flat-out wrong and dudes will call you on it if you frame it this sort of "on game" type of post. It'd be like me doing an "on Colombian girls" post when I literally know nothing about Colombianas. That'd be silly, right? It's great that you're thinking ahead, but sometimes it helps to just sit back and observe as opposed to droppping these thoughts with no basis in reality.

[Investment Bro]

(08-03-2018 07:04 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

I am guilty of this sometimes, but it does us all well to remember our lanes.

If you're a guy in your early 20s, you gotta remember that your thoughts on the reality of game may just be flat-out wrong and dudes will call you on it if you frame it this sort of "on game" type of post. It'd be like me doing an "on Colombian girls" post when I literally know nothing about Colombianas. That'd be silly, right? It's great that you're thinking ahead, but sometimes it helps to just sit back and observe as opposed to droppping these thoughts with no basis in reality.

100% in agreement. The game forum is being polluted with negativity and this false conception that women are far more shallow, vapid, and unavailable then they actually are. If you're going to game lots of women successfully, you need to throw that negative bias out the window. That tells me that a lot of the guys posting here are not putting in the numbers and are still in the negativity stage of game progression.

Your lifestyle doesn't have to be geared around women to attract women. Before I left my job in finance, I was working 75-80 hours a week and still laying 2-3 new women a month. The bartenders at the place I used to go to asked how I did it all the time. They were clueless like most of the male population.

[HankMoody]

I'll get a little personal here, for what it's worth...

When I was in my 20s I banged like zero women. I got married to one of the first girls I banged. To her credit, she was (and is) an awesome, honest, and faithful woman. To both my benefit and detriment, I was more focused on my career, my degrees, saving money, networking, and becoming successful. She wanted to start a family, and was pissed that I rarely came home for dinner. I was either burning the candle late at night or out networking.

We were together for about twelve years. Both of us got advanced degrees. I bought a house in Fishtown at the age of 30 and started my law practice shortly after.

Ended up divorced because I was a shitty husband; way too focused on myself and my career. Also couldn't stop wondering what else was out there. In the back of my mind I was always lusting after sloots, a heavy sexy life, yadda yadda. You know, I'm a big fancy lawyer now, so shouldn't I be banging a bunch of hot chicks?

Did I fuck up there? Yeah, probably.

If I could do it over again, I'd do all the same stuff professionally, and probably would have focused my personal life on starting a family. That's become very challenging in this day in age.

Still, I'm lucky enough to be self employed, pay next to nothing for my living situation, and pretty much do everything on my own terms. Currently living a playboy lifestyle -- big house, self employed, cash in the bank, etc. Today I am literally doing nothing except meeting with a clothier, and maybe going to Cabelas.

These are my random musings...

- What you do in your 20s ends up being who you are the rest of your life. Start your businesses, get your degrees (or don't), read books, get into shape, and learn stuff. Your 20s are the foundation of your life. I'm glad that I have a degree from a prestigious college and a law degree (although I don't think either are necessary for success, but they can be helpful). If you're smart and want an education, get something useful in finance, engineering, science, or math. If you're an idiot like me, I don't regret getting liberal arts degrees. Or go business. Anything in "social justice" is just retarded -- it doesn't take a $120k education to work at Starbucks.

- Womanizing is fun, but it's generally a waste of time. Many of the guys getting hotter girls than you also can't pay their rent (or buy a home), cook actual food, or do anything beyond like, "let's light a joint and listen to some tunes." Fun to hang around, but that's it. I'd rather keep my quality of women the same and live life on my own terms than chase around Instagram sloots. I'll continue to study classical philosophy, listen to audiobooks on my bike, and focus my energy on things that enrich my life. Game is worth pursuing, but don't take it too seriously. If your life revolves around smashing Instagram sloots, you're not winning.

- Women worth starting a family with are hard to find, and it only gets harder as you get older. Unmarried women in their 30s watched too much Sex in the City. Though I do get a lot of texts and calls from my married friends like "Dude, I wish I could live like you, spending all your days at the pool" so maybe the grass is always greener on the other side. Who knows?

- Don't marry crazy, and certainly don't have kids with them. Most of the guys I know who aren't doing well, but are otherwise well adjusted, either married or impregnated fucked up women. If she cheats on you, is awful, or hurts you, a kid or a marriage isn't going to fix it. It's going to make things way worse, actually.

- There is no need to work 24/7, or even 40 hours a week. Strive to make money, not to put in hours. As you get older, putting in hours starts to suck a lot more.

- If my profession weren't so geographically oriented, I would travel more.

[General Stalin]

You can make a lot of fucking money and live an awesome life being a career-DJ or club promoter who actually gets successful. Those are viable avenues for cash, gash, and lifestyle.

[TigerMandingo]

At least here in the US, bartenders in high-end restaurants can pull (keyword CAN) close to six figures a year. Servers, too. Not to mention they are around hot poon all the time. I'm not saying it is a viable long-term career move, but overall I've gotta agree with Hank: these guys have more access to women simply because they are around them.

I wish I had done it in my 20s.

[kuqezi]

First of all kudos to Hank for being honest and opening up his experience.
Everyone reading threads around here shouldn't blindly apply anything they read.

Then, what's this super hype about bartenders and DJs?
In my humble opinion start thinking about these career paths only if you have nothing else going on.
Unless you're at Tiesto or Martin Garrix levels this is not a career to pursue in your life.
Then bartending? Don't make me laugh. If you dream of being a bartender or quit your studies or job to become one then you don't have high aspirations for your life.

I second what Vill@in said a couple of posts above, HAVE FUN with game, don't make it your life purpose!
Cheers!

[HankMoody]

(08-03-2018 09:41 AM)General Stalin Wrote:  

You can make a lot of fucking money and live an awesome life being a career-DJ or club promoter who actually gets successful. Those are viable avenues for cash, gash, and lifestyle.

Agree, but that is kind of hard.

I'd say what I do day to day is mostly boring shit. Send out invoices, meet with accountant, fix fax machine, pay invoices, put on suit for conference that was stupid.

But it pays the bills.

If being a DJ were a more viable career, maybe I'd do that. But in that profession, you're either making a ton of cash or borrowing it from your buddy to pay the rent.

[Rocha]

(08-03-2018 12:57 PM)HankMoody Wrote:  

(08-03-2018 09:41 AM)General Stalin Wrote:  

You can make a lot of fucking money and live an awesome life being a career-DJ or club promoter who actually gets successful. Those are viable avenues for cash, gash, and lifestyle.

Agree, but that is kind of hard.

I'd say what I do day to day is mostly boring shit. Send out invoices, meet with accountant, fix fax machine, pay invoices, put on suit for conference that was stupid.

But it pays the bills.

If being a DJ were a more viable career, maybe I'd do that. But in that profession, you're either making a ton of cash or borrowing it from your buddy to pay the rent.

Not exactly like that. If you can Dj at events like weddings or private parties, there is money to be made, you can also rent your equipment to others. Of course there is the need to move and get contacts or work on the existing ones, this is not exactly a Tiesto, but also not the resident Dj of the village pub.

[jbird669]

(07-30-2018 03:37 AM)456 Wrote:  

The arguments about level of dress and acceptable staples has GOT to be a Philly vs. NYC thing.

Philly has an almost "resentful" attitude towards looking sharp / fly, whereas it is celebrated in NYC at every level up and down the chain.

It's noticeable even in downtown Philly that men and women at large don't care for fashion so much.

Roughly speaking, Philly Saturday night wardrobe ~==~ NYC Sunday lazy afternoon wardrobe.

HM's particulars are going to sound off to someone in a more fashion conscious city.

There are other issues that have been mentioned, but just wanted to point out that geography colors many of these posts.

HM would maybe do better to break down how he got to his own level, rather than just describing how ideally his levels fit his particular life.

I live near Philly and can confirm this about Philly's wardrobe thoughts and choices.

[godzilla]

I know a guy who makes 50G just in the summer down the shore. You get the right bartending job. You can really make a lot.

[nek]

A couple things:

1) I don't think anyone's advocating as bartending as a long-term, full time gig. While yes some people can make a killing at it, the law of averages say it's not the best route. However, I do recommend guys trying to break into it part-time, doing something like one night, one day shift on the weekend. It's not about a long-term career choice, it's about, as Hank put it, being where the girls are. This is just a way for guys to do this, esp. in a new city where they may not have a social circle built in.

2) I don't think anyone is saying how you interact with women isn't a factor, but I look at it like job interviews to a point. Being great in an interview can overcome shortcomings in your resume/experience, but you still have to have some of the minimum qualifications before you're even given a chance to interview in some circumstances.

Sometimes, when guys are ardent advocates of "game", I wonder if there's a little bit of the straw that broke the camels back effect going on, where guys who are doing well in the looks department don't have much success because they're severely lacking in their conversation abilities, have massive success, then attribute their success mainly to game. While it's true that game is what changed things for them, I suspect they underestimate the role their appearance may have played in the degree of their success, or at least underestimate their appearance, and game was just the final piece needed for them. You need game no matter who you are, but other factors will play into it as well.

[birthday cat]

(08-03-2018 07:21 AM)Investment Bro Wrote:  

...
The game forum is being polluted with negativity and this false conception that women are far more shallow, vapid, and unavailable then they actually are. If you're going to game lots of women successfully, you need to throw that negative bias out the window. That tells me that a lot of the guys posting here are not putting in the numbers and are still in the negativity stage of game progression.
...

There are some really good posts on this page by Fortis and IB. I'll add that IB's comment is just as relevant for having a relationship where you aren't gaming a lot of women.

A while ago I wrote down a quote I heard from Tony Robbins because it meant something to me and it instantly reminded me of this forum.

"Imagine if your beliefs guarantee you can never get to where you want to go."

Think about that when you think about your beliefs regarding women.

There is another thread about women's intelligence where most guys are saying it is essentially impossible for women to be intelligent. I argued against that. I talked to some forum members offline who have a high level of game and they didn't agree either. I thought through what an attractive and intelligent girl would be attracted to in a guy and now I'm randomly finding girls that are exactly that. One example, I was with a forum member and a lurker and I saw this cute girl. She was cute but not the most attractive girl in the big crowd....there was just something about her that I liked. I said to the two guys that I got dibs on her and which one of you is coming to talk to her friend. It turns out her dad is some wealthy executive / smartest dude in the room type of guy and she is on his level. She is the age of an undergraduate but is almost finished medical school because she skipped some grades. I didn't even know any of that until I had known her for a couple months because she was vague about it and didn't want to brag. I just knew she was very positive and I keep girls around when they are positive.

That girl is also supportive and traditional. She called her mom an anti-feminist who taught her and her sisters that it is her responsibility and their responsibility to make her dad feel like a king when he is at home. It's not a coincidence that I'm the guy that is finding girls like this when I'm the guy that is frequently ranting about how guys are too negative and make too many excuses. Think about that. And my game used to suck so it's not like I'm some natural or tall great looking guy...not even close but I put in a lot of work to improve the things that I can control.

I'm finding other girls with these qualities and it's not luck and it's not something mystical. It's just that sometimes like attracts like. You know how notice the people who are positive, intelligent, and good people when you are trying to be that yourself. Everybody wants to talk about the requirements they have in a girl but what is much more important is thinking about what kind of guy that girl is going to be attracted to.... and she ain't going to be attracted to the type of guy who is always complaining about women.

"Imagine if your beliefs guarantee you can never get to where you want to go."

[a beer is enough]

Clint, I hope you are 100% right and I am 100% wrong. I hope as a guy in his 20s that I eat my words and these dudes in their 30s running to one fine bitch after another actually exist in large enough amounts. Getting the vibe I get from talking to older guys IRL and even on here, they diss this lifestyle so hard for me to believe any of them are actually living it.

Which brings me to my point, its all about priorities in life, for some of us fucking lots of hot girls is that priority.

For me, as a guy who missed out on this fun growing up and in college, it is one of the priorities which has led to me even considering sacrificing a promising financial future for it because I fear that after my 20s the chance won't exist.

We can berate the DJs, bartenders and club promoters all we want but a lot of the guys that are fucking hot girls come from these groups. If working a cushy corporate job helped in fucking hot girls, well that thought would never come to my mind.

And it really puzzles me as to why a nice paying prestigious job would actually stand in the way of fucking hot girls.

Not just mentioning it but as I observe it, rare for me to meet some guy in a corporate or white collar profession who lives the player life. Most of these dudes are wifed up or fucking way below their league at best.

This shit really helps me understand why Roosh hates American women so fucking much, its a country where a fucking bartender has a higher status in the eyes of hot girls over a lawyer, doctor or a banker. Like what in the actual fuck but we can only whine so much right, have to adjust to the game.

[WhatTheFuck]

You guys got it all wrong, forget the bartending gig. Where you want to be is in the kitchen of a hot bar/restaurant-- somewhere that does food all day starting at lunch and turns into a cool spot at night. Any place that's worthwhile to work at the bartenders are working like animals all night running around serving people, no time to flirt or even breathe really, and almost always working until close. Only people they're chilling with is other service people after hours.

If your in the kitchen your already part of the social circle have all the connections but don't have to deal with any of the bullshit being customer facing dealing with drunk idiots all night. Plus the kitchen always closes several hours before the bar at a lot of places, so that means after you get off your shift you can chill in the place flirting with girls acting like it's your home, because it pretty much is after working a 12 hour kitchen shift. All the servers and bartenders are your best friends and you probably will be drinking for free too. Not to mention all the connections to other bars where you'll get the same hookups.

[WhatTheFuck]

Slaving away all day in kitchens though is a pretty degenerate lifestyle. After you get off a long shift and being on your feet all day you're super tired from service but still shaky and wired on adrenaline still, only thing that helps to relax is chilling and getting some beers after work. Depending on the spot you work, it'll turn you into a raging alcoholic over time. I don't work in kitchens anymore but I still drink like a fish.

Good thing though is that anyone can get into it, young guys, old guys, criminals, whatever doesn't really matter. If you start as prep or dishwasher even you don't need any experience just a willingness to do your job and not bitch too much about it.

[HankMoody]

More life realities...

- Being a professional will net you a decent six figure income. If you're a lawyer, engineer, doctor, architect, healthcare professional, etc. and not making six figures, you're not winning. You'll make six figures working for yourself, a big firm, or wherever. (I prefer self employment, but you have to learn to live without knowing where your paycheck is coming from each month. It can get a bit scary sometimes.) Regardless, as for most professionals, your day to day routine will be pretty mundane and boring. Women imagine that I spend my days running around courtroom to courtroom fighting for justice, when in reality, I spend most of my time in an office trying to figure out if the thing was mailed or not and how to fix a jammed printer. Thankfully, my office is cool, I have a standing desk, and a good set of speakers.

- Being a professional involves selling your time for money. Meaning expect to work a lot, and often be tied to a geographic location. I.e., Hank cannot work from the beach everyday because he has to physically be in court or in the office. I have enough cash to do whatever I want to do, but not enough time. For example, I have court on Monday at 4pm. Then I have briefing due on Tuesday. Realistically this means my weekend is shot. I'll make money, but I'd rather be fishing. I'll be at the office.

- Six figures is not a lot of money in the grand scheme of things. The real money is in investments, real estate, passive income, that kind of stuff. It's easier to get here if you have a six figure income and low expenses. If you're a professional and it's your only source of income, you're doing okay but not killing it.

- Professionals take their work home with them on the weekends, weeknights, and everywhere. Bartenders do not.

- Professionals can get sued for malpractice and lose their licenses. Bartenders have jobs that are low risk. Being a professional means high stress. Your fuckups can kill people, cost them money, and cause your career to go down the drain.

- A lot of dudes start random businesses with no degrees and it nets them tons of cash. Car washes, construction businesses, etc. A lot of lawyers are broke. The most random stuff makes money.

So, consider all this.

There are ups to bartending. You work around women all day and you don't take work home with you. You make cash that day. In many places you can wear what you feel like wearing. There are many days I'd rather go home, turn off my cell, and not worry about anything.

[Gustavus Adolphus]

(08-04-2018 01:11 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  

More life realities...

- Being a professional involves selling your time for money. Meaning expect to work a lot, and often be tied to a geographic location. I.e., Hank cannot work from the beach everyday because he has to physically be in court or in the office. I have enough cash to do whatever I want to do, but not enough time. For example, I have court on Monday at 4pm. Then I have briefing due on Tuesday. Realistically this means my weekend is shot. I'll make money, but I'd rather be fishing. I'll be at the office.

Always remember

If you’re too busy to duck hunt or catch fish, then you’re too busy.

[godzilla]

(08-03-2018 09:52 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

Clint, I hope you are 100% right and I am 100% wrong. I hope as a guy in his 20s that I eat my words and these dudes in their 30s running to one fine bitch after another actually exist in large enough amounts. Getting the vibe I get from talking to older guys IRL and even on here, they diss this lifestyle so hard for me to believe any of them are actually living it.

Which brings me to my point, its all about priorities in life, for some of us fucking lots of hot girls is that priority.

For me, as a guy who missed out on this fun growing up and in college, it is one of the priorities which has led to me even considering sacrificing a promising financial future for it because I fear that after my 20s the chance won't exist.

We can berate the DJs, bartenders and club promoters all we want but a lot of the guys that are fucking hot girls come from these groups. If working a cushy corporate job helped in fucking hot girls, well that thought would never come to my mind.

And it really puzzles me as to why a nice paying prestigious job would actually stand in the way of fucking hot girls.

Not just mentioning it but as I observe it, rare for me to meet some guy in a corporate or white collar profession who lives the player life. Most of these dudes are wifed up or fucking way below their league at best.

This shit really helps me understand why Roosh hates American women so fucking much, its a country where a fucking bartender has a higher status in the eyes of hot girls over a lawyer, doctor or a banker. Like what in the actual fuck but we can only whine so much right, have to adjust to the game.

Focus on your career on your 20s. Girls will be there in your late 20s and 30s. You don't want to try to rebuild your career in your 30s, shit will be too frustrating, trust me from experience on that one. I spent all my savings on traveling and then had to live at home for a year to switch careers. I don't regret doing that but I rather others not follow the same path

Secondly, plenty of lawyers, doctors, and bankers have hot wives but life isn't all about having a hot wife. Living a player life isn't really for most people anyway. The majority of men are perfectly content with just having a decent looking wife who treats them well and does shit for them every once in a while. Remember for every negative experience you see on here, 50% percent of marriages never end in divorce. I am not sure how happy they are but they're at least content.

[Investment Bro]

(08-03-2018 09:52 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

This shit really helps me understand why Roosh hates American women so fucking much, its a country where a fucking bartender has a higher status in the eyes of hot girls over a lawyer, doctor or a banker. Like what in the actual fuck but we can only whine so much right, have to adjust to the game.

BC nailed it, I would suggest you go back and re-read what he said. The Tony Robbins quote and corresponding follow up are what you need right now.

I'm telling you brother, that limiting belief is going to lead you down a path of bitter cynicism. The bartender might nail more girls than you, but that's because they aren't harboring the same negativity deep down that you are right now.

The reason a lot of corporate people aren't living the player life is simple. Hank alluded to this nicely.

Corporate makes people miserable.

You think a hot girl wants to deal with joe blow who just worked a 15 hour shift and all he wants to do is come home and drink whiskey? Fuck that. Corporations are riddled with unhappy people that are stuck in the prison. Corporations can crush your soul and your self esteem to the point where theoretically high SMV men are notching way below their league, or wifed up in order to spread the burden they're carrying.

The bartender doesn't have this problem. He comes to work, is paid to chat up his customers and be social. Social activity relieves stress as opposed to creating it like corporate deadlines.

I was "lucky" in my previous role in Finance. I had a very Alpha boss/mentor who shielded me from the worst of my industry. Yes, I still worked long hours but my soul remained. I was able to attract high caliber women that wouldn't have even sniffed at a poorer bartender or DJ.

What's stopping you isn't your career, it's your mindset. Change your mindset, change your results.

[questor70]

Any opinions on how working in quieter service professions like a diner or a coffeeshop might compare to a nightclub? I know women don't go to those other places to hookup, but that might be a good thing insofar as making a connection that feels less overt/contrived.