[a beer is enough]

(07-03-2018 10:21 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

(07-03-2018 06:32 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

Thread is kind of all over the place right now so I can't address all of this in one reply. Want to take the next few replies to address a few separate points.

First lets address this whole wanting to fuck a lot of girls versus not wanting to do so.

For me personally, that is priority number 1 when it comes to game until I get tired of it. It is a tricky tricky conversation to have too because guys who might have done that through cool jobs will discourage other guys from doing it, almost the equivalent of post-wall women not wanting men coming into their prime to have their fun. It is non-negotiable for me, quantity and notch count above all else. If turning 30 means it becomes shameful even in a community like this I think I need to get it over with fast then because it doesn't seem like life after 30 is as rosy as some may have said, at least not in regards to sex.

Now this takes me to something else that might have been implied on this thread, unless I read the posts wrong, is it true that it becomes that much more difficult to make quantity happen once you are past the age of 30 without having to spend a lot of money on them?

For a while I did get the impression that women are more forgiving of a lack of wealth when you are in your 20s so are they expecting steak dinners when you turn 30?

I mean if this is the case, then I might really have to think this through myself. Its no wonder so many guys go into these fun jobs and pass up a more lucrative offer if that means you have to spend more on them. IMO, the guy who doesn't have to spend a cent to get her to split those legs is a winner as opposed to the guy who has to spend money on the date for a maybe.

Really trying to drill down and get to the bottom of this whole game getting easier after the age of 30 gig because from the sounds of it, seems like you either have to settle into LTRs or spend a boatload of money on her due to your age.

(07-02-2018 11:05 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

Better to do the time now and then live the dream when you are in your late 30s and early 40s.

From the sounds of this thread, if that dream involves fucking a lot of hot girls, it ain't happening in your late 30s and early 40s.

What is a good paying career? The question has been asked and you didn't reply.

Men get better with age and reach their peak in the mid 30s.

You can fuck a lot of hot girls in that age group, the best players I know are in their 40s.

If you eat right and take care of yourself, you can fuck hot bitches until you retire.

Don't throw your career away for those jobs, take a gap year and go travel. Better quality overseas.

For me it is at least six figures overall, before taxes.

As for quality and traveling, it isn't really about the sex alone, it is about the experiences you have that lead to that sex. I feel like working as a DJ at a nightclub or bartender at the right bar gives you access to a certain lifestyle when it comes to attracting women, certain status and even certain kinds of fun which can be enjoyed.

[a beer is enough]

Maybe I am different with this but for me, there is something associated with nightlife and having status there that I wanted to experience. There is something to getting women by being in the party scene as opposed to doing it in normal ways. I am still cringing of the idea of being in my thirties and having to actually pay for women to any degree at all while some DJ at a nightclub can smash for next to nothing money wise.

Its hard to relate to for most but as someone who missed out on a lot of this shit in the years you were supposed to enjoy it, I want to experience that sort of life before it is too late or at least be well into that scene.

Older guys spit at the idea of easy hookups and having status, for me it is something I personally want to work on getting because I actually like that younger alcohol-fueled party scene as opposed to something more serene. Even if I grow tired of it, at least I experienced it. Being immersed into that sort of a crowd full on and actually being a guy at a nightclub that is working there, seeing things from the other side, its just something I kind of wanted to get an idea of experiencing for myself.

From the vibes I am getting on this thread though, it doesn't seem like nightlife fun can really be enjoyed in the way I am thinking about (bartender, DJ, party life) once you enter your 30s.

Tough decisions to make for sure.

[Captain Gh]

Man let's get to the Nitty Gritty here: How Much are you currently making? Secondly, I was exactly in the same state of mind you currently are back in 2012... So I damn well know how you feel. I use to Run 14-16 Hours Daygame sessions when it was 30-35 degrees outside. Getting Laid WAS IT! Now looking back... I don't regret it at all since I had fun!

However, this Daygame bender had major consequences. It was mainly my Credit Cards that funded my Daygame adventures for half a year. Keep in mind this was in 2012... and I've just now got rid of this debt. Now That's 6 years of debt for Pussy! 6 years! To wrap this up... No matter what we tell you...You'll go forward with this job change... Pussy's grip over your mind is exactly like it was over mine.

So peep this from me: As someone who did what you're asking about: just don't go into debt... and always keep a 6 months buffer of savings. Even though your decision will have repercussions down the line... If you absolutely don't fuel your journey with debt... and CONSTANTLY keep 6 months worth of savings... Then go ahead... Because you'll simply not be able to not do it.

Many posters can't comprehend the Grip getting laid can have on someone... But I do. Go ahead & fill the void if you must! You'll be on a mission to get laid while others will just be blowing off some steam once in a while... So you'll have to be diciplined about this: No drinking & no drugs! Go All in & do it for real. Following the advice given by Seth would be ideal but hey.

As long as you fallow my advice about CONSTANTLY keeping 6 months of savings... You'll be able to Bounce Back once the Pussy void in your soul is filled. Once you've pounded enough vagina... Be prepared to work @ McDonald's if needed to STAY 6 months rich. While your obsessed with banging... Make sure to STAY RICH ENOUGH! This will act as a Well Being buffer since you'll be living & breathing a hedonistic existence with narcissistic people around you often. Trust me on this!

Tl;Dr : Op will go ahead with this no matter what we tell him...so he needs to make sure to stay rich enough until his void is filled

[jordypip23]

(07-04-2018 02:35 AM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

Maybe I am different with this but for me, there is something associated with nightlife and having status there that I wanted to experience. There is something to getting women by being in the party scene as opposed to doing it in normal ways. I am still cringing of the idea of being in my thirties and having to actually pay for women to any degree at all while some DJ at a nightclub can smash for next to nothing money wise.

Its hard to relate to for most but as someone who missed out on a lot of this shit in the years you were supposed to enjoy it, I want to experience that sort of life before it is too late or at least be well into that scene.

Older guys spit at the idea of easy hookups and having status, for me it is something I personally want to work on getting because I actually like that younger alcohol-fueled party scene as opposed to something more serene. Even if I grow tired of it, at least I experienced it. Being immersed into that sort of a crowd full on and actually being a guy at a nightclub that is working there, seeing things from the other side, its just something I kind of wanted to get an idea of experiencing for myself.

From the vibes I am getting on this thread though, it doesn't seem like nightlife fun can really be enjoyed in the way I am thinking about (bartender, DJ, party life) once you enter your 30s.

Tough decisions to make for sure.

Yo bro I used to have a similar mindset to you back when I was in my 20's and living in Chicago (some of the time in the city, some of the time in its suburbs). Listen man...forget the DJ's, forget the bartenders, forget the promoters, forget all that nonsense. ONLY go into DJ'ing if you are passionate about the craft & feel like you can get damn good at it. As far as bartending, that's purely a "gig" that is so replaceable by anyone else. Just like with strippers, the club owner is looking for bartenders that have a certain look more than their actual skills at mixing drinks, LOL.

I'm not sure about you, but I actually was (and still am to some degree) very passionate about music, but I am red pilled enough to stay away from that for now as my source of making money. I was always more of the dreamer type & was super into music. Anyhow, I digress here. To have true status in the nightclub scene (where you can even be older) you need to be the actual nightclub owner. I noticed a trend in Chicago (and I'm sure this applies to all the other large cities too). The owners of the nightclubs usually had a ton of capital to invest in the first place. Their parents might have also been involved in the real estate, restaurant and/or hospitality business. A lot of these guys were trust fund dudes that inherited a lot of cash as well. Because at the end of the day these places are businesses just like restaurants. They open & close all the time. In big cities they are a dime a dozen. They are relying on guys like you (and moreso the high roller suckers who spend on bottle service) buying drinks for chicks to stay in business. They also love it when actual celebrities or celebrity DJ's show up (they will roll out red carpet for these folks). They are capitalizing on FOMO culture all the time. Use these places strategically, but don't fall into the trap. Look at the big picture (the business side of things), and keep diversifying the places that you are chasing tail. The nightclub scene is one of the poorer options to score these days. Keep it in your repertoire but don't rely on it.

[Alpha_Ambitionz]

(07-04-2018 02:35 AM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

Maybe I am different with this but for me, there is something associated with nightlife and having status there that I wanted to experience. There is something to getting women by being in the party scene as opposed to doing it in normal ways. I am still cringing of the idea of being in my thirties and having to actually pay for women to any degree at all while some DJ at a nightclub can smash for next to nothing money wise.

Its hard to relate to for most but as someone who missed out on a lot of this shit in the years you were supposed to enjoy it, I want to experience that sort of life before it is too late or at least be well into that scene.

Older guys spit at the idea of easy hookups and having status, for me it is something I personally want to work on getting because I actually like that younger alcohol-fueled party scene as opposed to something more serene. Even if I grow tired of it, at least I experienced it. Being immersed into that sort of a crowd full on and actually being a guy at a nightclub that is working there, seeing things from the other side, its just something I kind of wanted to get an idea of experiencing for myself.

From the vibes I am getting on this thread though, it doesn't seem like nightlife fun can really be enjoyed in the way I am thinking about (bartender, DJ, party life) once you enter your 30s.

Tough decisions to make for sure.

If you're intent on becoming a bartender, there's tons of related threads on this forum.

Start here: thread-63861.html

[jselysianeagle]

(07-04-2018 02:35 AM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

Its hard to relate to for most but as someone who missed out on a lot of this shit in the years you were supposed to enjoy it, I want to experience that sort of life before it is too late or at least be well into that scene.

Older guys spit at the idea of easy hookups and having status, for me it is something I personally want to work on getting because I actually like that younger alcohol-fueled party scene as opposed to something more serene. Even if I grow tired of it, at least I experienced it.

OK, fine. No one here is asking you to quit nightgame. Every single night in every single city, there are guys hitting up bars/clubs and taking home women, without being bartenders/DJs, and keeping their regular job. I'm not sure why you think the only way to enjoy success in nightgame is to go all out and become a DJ or work at a club?

FWIW, when I lived in NYC, I'd go out 3-4 nights a week and make connections, while still keeping my regular job. Super late nights were of course reserved for the weekends, but the point is, you don't need to go all out and quit your job if you want to enjoy nightgame.

So here's yet another option: you can always move back to NYC (or any large city), live somewhere like the Lower East Side/East Village (or whatever the nightlife district is), and hit the bars from happy hour through midnight every single night. Then go crazier still on the weekends. And you wouldn't be wrecking your career.

I could understand if bartending/DJ'ing was a true passion, but that's not what you're talking about here. You just want to enjoy nightgame, which is perfectly fine and can be done while holding down a regular job (at least while you're young and/or single).

[jselysianeagle]

(07-04-2018 09:33 AM)jordypip23 Wrote:  

To have true status in the nightclub scene (where you can even be older) you need to be the actual nightclub owner. I noticed a trend in Chicago (and I'm sure this applies to all the other large cities too). The owners of the nightclubs usually had a ton of capital to invest in the first place. Their parents might have also been involved in the real estate, restaurant and/or hospitality business. A lot of these guys were trust fund dudes that inherited a lot of cash as well. Because at the end of the day these places are businesses just like restaurants. They open & close all the time. In big cities they are a dime a dozen. They are relying on guys like you (and moreso the high roller suckers who spend on bottle service) buying drinks for chicks to stay in business. They also love it when actual celebrities or celebrity DJ's show up (they will roll out red carpet for these folks). They are capitalizing on FOMO culture all the time. Use these places strategically, but don't fall into the trap. Look at the big picture (the business side of things), and keep diversifying the places that you are chasing tail. The nightclub scene is one of the poorer options to score these days. Keep it in your repertoire but don't rely on it.

Many of the top nightclubs in NYC and LA are actually owned by corporations now, for example, the Tao Group. I can't think of very many elite venues run by individuals or just a small group of buddies.

But yeah, these places rely on desperate guys splurging to impress women. But said women almost always already have a guy - or three - they're already getting smashed by.

[Repo]

One of my friends makes in the six figure range selling cars at a dealership, and he DJs (among other things) I dont think DJing is something you have to give up a career for, you can do both. Question is are you actually good?

Same with bartending, I've known people who have done that on the side while having a career/getting an advanced degree. One of my coworkers did this and now he not only has a great career but hes part owner of a bar and a couple other small businesses.

Hey it's your life to live, I'd just say dont throw away a career unless you actually have to. .. .you can do both, especially if you aren't getting wasted every time you go out.

[a beer is enough]

Went through and liked every reply on this page, all helpful, thanks for being understanding here guys.

I don't want to give out my exact salary right now but I don't have any debt and make above average for my age, not Investment Banker money but good enough to pay rent and splurge every now and then. The city I am in has a lower cost of living than NYC so that helps out a ton. As much as I hated my college years, I made some good decisions which I can be proud of but they were in the realm of academics so not many fun experiences to look back on.

Speaking of that, a lot of nightlife is tied to my identity right now, it is almost a redemption I need to have in my twenties before I feel like I can move on.

Running game and going out is not enough, its like I have to work there and be in a position where I am making money, have some status and role in that realm. I used to go out a lot by myself towards the end of college and tried to game, didn't work out too well. I wanted to bartend but the bars were very strict, you had to be in particular social crowds to even have a chance at those jobs so it is a chip on my shoulder.

The bartending and DJing job represent to me the very party life I missed out on in college. I mean sure you can go to a bar by yourself and get wasted but it is not the same as bartending or DJing at a bar where you have a reason to really be there if you guys catch what I am trying to say. It isn't just about the pussy, it is about getting into the best parties, the fun crowds, making the cool friends and having that kind of an experience which is tough to describe in words alone. I think Distant Light wrote a powerful post about this sort of thing a while back.

I just genuinely feel like being involved with nightlife will have social benefits for me that other jobs cannot provide and those social benefits are not just getting laid but being a part of that party scene, potentially making a cool friend who you can chase women with or has access to the best parties and coming full circle on shit I missed out on in my college years.

For me it is something so strong that I have thought about walking away from a career that is almost guaranteed to pay six figures as soon as I hit my thirties from it, think very few can understand that sort of feeling.

[a beer is enough]

Enough about me though, I rather talk about this thread in the way it applies to most other guys on here.

I remember coming across a Rational Male post that says men peak in their 30s but I am starting to wonder if he meant more for marriage and LTRs as opposed to game. Like it makes perfect sense to me for a 35 year old guy to be a huge hit with women looking for a marriage which makes me think if age closes off certain game possibilities.

Even in context to this thread, I wonder if a guy who is 35 can live that hedonist lifestyle if he decided to or if it is all a fantasy. That has been a fear of mines that has kicked my urgency into overdrive, talk all the shit you want about DJing or Bartending but I find it tough to believe that outside of celeb status, most gigs can contend with that when it comes to racking up notches.

Being in my twenties, I personally feel like the clock for me to live the hedonist lifestyle is ticking and as soon as I turn 30, it is going to be ten times more difficult due to how most people around my age are and society's expectations for men in their thirties.

[Trent W.]

(07-04-2018 03:18 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

Enough about me though, I rather talk about this thread in the way it applies to most other guys on here.

I remember coming across a Rational Male post that says men peak in their 30s but I am starting to wonder if he meant more for marriage and LTRs as opposed to game. Like it makes perfect sense to me for a 35 year old guy to be a huge hit with women looking for a marriage which makes me think if age closes off certain game possibilities.

Even in context to this thread, I wonder if a guy who is 35 can live that hedonist lifestyle if he decided to or if it is all a fantasy. That has been a fear of mines that has kicked my urgency into overdrive, talk all the shit you want about DJing or Bartending but I find it tough to believe that outside of celeb status, most gigs can contend with that when it comes to racking up notches.

Being in my twenties, I personally feel like the clock for me to live the hedonist lifestyle is ticking and as soon as I turn 30, it is going to be ten times more difficult due to how most people around my age are and society's expectations for men in their thirties.

Living the hedonist lifestyle can be done different ways. There are threads about odd hobbies or activities that are not as demanding as changing your whole career (like that wine pouring in another thread). Then there are sex parties and swinger clubs if you want to go that way. And you can always just try something as a side gig like someone mentioned. No matter what you do, if you want extraordinary results, you will need to hustle one way or another. Bartending and DJing is just that, another type of hustle.

As far as age is concerned...A lot can be said about it but in the end, some girls will like you and not care, some will care, some will like you because they're into older guys. Some you win, some you lose.

[Captain Gh]

Your mind is set my friend. Might as well dead this thread! Everything's been said at this point, and you know the potential benefit & consequences related to your decision

[Cipher]

(07-04-2018 05:47 PM)Captain Gh Wrote:  

Your mind is set my friend. Might as well dead this thread! Everything's been said at this point, and you know the potential benefit & consequences related to your decision

Agree. This is obviously something that you feel you need to do, so as long as you're going into it with your eyes open, go and have the best experience you can!

Maybe post an update after a few months in the life and let us know how you're finding it and if you're bartending or DJing somewhere neat

[ChicagoFire]

Here's my 2c:

Graduated college with potential to work in office setting but never made it. Stuck to working in the culinary world for 7 years (still doing it too). Kicker is I have a job lined up for an office job that will pay 2x more. Stick to a career and on your vacation days use your money as leverage to bang girls. Or do that fun job on the side. You can DJ on Saturdays and do your little 9-5. I know that office environment will make you stiff but do try to have fun! Do it while you're young and energetic dude.

What's done is done for me and I don't regret it (no bangs to show for as I worked my ass off in the culinary world). Now that I'm in line for making more money I can use cooking game to keep girls around. Just dealing with that pain of working extremely hard in my early 20s sucked. Now my life is getting a tad bit better.

[SlickyBoy]

(06-30-2018 08:00 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

This whole idea might sound a bit crazy at first but I wanted to get the feedback of you guys on it, if this thread is that stupid, then I am good with it getting locked and even deleted.

A quote on this forum says that you lose money chasing women but not women chasing money but I also remember reading an older post on this site kind of saying the opposite. Can't find it but the gist of the post was that a more respected career that pays a lot is better for wifing up a 10 but not for sleeping with tons of different women, which also makes sense giving the alpha versus provider model.

Around my age group (twenties), what I notice is that the guys with the highest notch counts are typically working jobs like DJ, bartender or night club promoter, there are exceptions and those are extraordinarily handsome guys that use dating apps. These sorts of jobs seem to give you status and opportunities that make it a lot easier to get laid than running nightgame and daygame.

There are big downsides to picking either or in this situation, want to hear what you guys have to say.

OP, do not dedicate a significant portion of your life to chasing poon ahead of your economic potential. I have a friend and former business colleague who went this way. He's only in his late 30s now, but over the years I've witnessed him go further down the poon rabbit hole. I don't deny - he's a natural & scores easily with some very prime poon, but he also has his share of sub par women, used just to get by during dry spells.

He doesn't realize what I know about his economic situation (he leaked a few things, inadvertently) but he puts on a convincing veneer for the girls, who are typically too superficial to stop and think about all the BS they're being fed. The fact is, he's been unemployed for the past couple of years, almost completely broke and he wouldn't be either of those things if he'd focused on the right priorities. In spite of him being a very talented and smart guy, I can't count the number of missed opportunities that went his way while he was out chasing some side bitch that only lasted at most a couple of weeks.

What's more, it seems the more he focuses on poon, the more outrageous his habits get - he's into the swinging scene now and is encouraging his current GF to go out and find other guys to fuck. He tried telling me how great polyamory is but fuck that. I don't know about you, but no amount of sexual need would make me want to encourage my GF to make me into a cuckold, yet there he is, while other aspects of his life are going up in flames.

No, I'm not saying that'll happen to you, but yes, there are ENORMOUS down sides to picking a career based purely on the ability to consort with thots. While I see nothing wrong with strategizing location, neighborhood, and other logistics for your personal life, throwing yourself into a short lived "career" like DJing will waste valuable time that you cannot take for granted. Women are a commodity and they make more of them every day - don't forget that.

[ChicagoFire]

^^^
I knew a guy like that. Guy never met his father and got into trouble early on. I've always suspected he had to pay child support which was why one of the many reasons why he was deep down so miserable. Last I heard of him (years ago) he was learning psychology. Most likely to better con people and continue to live as a broke as a joke loser.

If OP is young he could go that party route, night club lifestyle. I speak from experience and can now reap the benefits. I highly discourage it though since you're losing out on years building up social capital, savings, etc.

[rudebwoy]

(07-04-2018 03:18 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

Enough about me though, I rather talk about this thread in the way it applies to most other guys on here.

I remember coming across a Rational Male post that says men peak in their 30s but I am starting to wonder if he meant more for marriage and LTRs as opposed to game. Like it makes perfect sense to me for a 35 year old guy to be a huge hit with women looking for a marriage which makes me think if age closes off certain game possibilities.

Even in context to this thread, I wonder if a guy who is 35 can live that hedonist lifestyle if he decided to or if it is all a fantasy. That has been a fear of mines that has kicked my urgency into overdrive, talk all the shit you want about DJing or Bartending but I find it tough to believe that outside of celeb status, most gigs can contend with that when it comes to racking up notches.

Being in my twenties, I personally feel like the clock for me to live the hedonist lifestyle is ticking and as soon as I turn 30, it is going to be ten times more difficult due to how most people around my age are and society's expectations for men in their thirties.

I said this in my previous post, men reach their peak around age 35. At that age you feel more comfortable in your skin, if you have worked out for a few years you should look good. At that age you should know how to dress and what looks good on you.
Only desperate guys get married at age 35, guys with things going on in their life hold out a little longer.

Don't kid yourself or try to kid others. It is about the sex, you claimed you missed out in college.

Being a bartender, dj, promoter doesn't guarantee you sex with hot girls. The type of girls you will attract will be girls looking a freebie drink or entrance to a club.

Game is still needed, now more than ever. I suggest you work on that first and then you can get girls anywhere.

[rudebwoy]

delete

[jselysianeagle]

(07-04-2018 03:18 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

talk all the shit you want about DJing or Bartending but I find it tough to believe that outside of celeb status, most gigs can contend with that when it comes to racking up notches.

Unless you're a very famous DJ, pussy won't be thrown at you just because you're spinning some records. Same for bartending - unless you work at a top-notch venue and have at least somewhat decent looks, most women won't automatically hop on your dick. You could argue that as a DJ/bartender you can play the numbers game more easily, but again, you can do that through regular nightgame anyway in any large city.

[KYT88]

Go to Koh Phi Phi in Thailand and work at Slinkys or Jordan's flyering, you will make up for college in no time. Free drinks, but you will be living in a roach infested hovel, catch the clap and live off scraps of food left by tourists in the bar.

[jordypip23]

(07-04-2018 01:55 PM)jselysianeagle Wrote:  

(07-04-2018 02:35 AM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

Its hard to relate to for most but as someone who missed out on a lot of this shit in the years you were supposed to enjoy it, I want to experience that sort of life before it is too late or at least be well into that scene.

Older guys spit at the idea of easy hookups and having status, for me it is something I personally want to work on getting because I actually like that younger alcohol-fueled party scene as opposed to something more serene. Even if I grow tired of it, at least I experienced it.

OK, fine. No one here is asking you to quit nightgame. Every single night in every single city, there are guys hitting up bars/clubs and taking home women, without being bartenders/DJs, and keeping their regular job. I'm not sure why you think the only way to enjoy success in nightgame is to go all out and become a DJ or work at a club?

FWIW, when I lived in NYC, I'd go out 3-4 nights a week and make connections, while still keeping my regular job. Super late nights were of course reserved for the weekends, but the point is, you don't need to go all out and quit your job if you want to enjoy nightgame.

So here's yet another option: you can always move back to NYC (or any large city), live somewhere like the Lower East Side/East Village (or whatever the nightlife district is), and hit the bars from happy hour through midnight every single night. Then go crazier still on the weekends. And you wouldn't be wrecking your career.

I could understand if bartending/DJ'ing was a true passion, but that's not what you're talking about here. You just want to enjoy nightgame, which is perfectly fine and can be done while holding down a regular job (at least while you're young and/or single).

Gotta say this is very solid, practical advice. Basically it's telling the OP not to overthink this. Keep the career / income coming in strong but that it's okay to just go out hit up the clubs at the same time. Just don't over-do it. Works for a lot of people.

[SlickyBoy]

(07-05-2018 12:37 AM)jselysianeagle Wrote:  

You could argue that as a DJ/bartender you can play the numbers game more easily, but again, you can do that through regular nightgame anyway in any large city.

Yes, and you most definitely don't want to wake up one day as a 45 year old bartender. Even owning a bar at that age is going to frustrate the hell out of the average man. Become a successful enough middle aged man with enough game, social capital and coin to make things happen with women outside of the night club approach, which is nothing like what it used to be anyway.

[a beer is enough]

So cold approach and night game cannot yield the same status or access to the lifestyle of partying that working at venue can, sex might be great and you will pull here and there it isn't just about that, it is about becoming engrained into that scene. That is where the disconnect is, it is about being engrained into the scene as well as making money off of it.

We can talk cold approach and night game all we want, I've found cold approach to be more effective during the day, but it is more about being a part of that scene and just engraining yourself in it along with its benefits.

The question of this thread shouldn't be whether to chase that nightlife job or not, it is whether, if you want to get the nightlife jobs that yield quick pussy and access to the party lifestyle while making money as well, is it going to require quitting your full time job for it?

I am not here to debate whether or not to chase that fun job, I am here to know how to make it happen and if quitting a full time job could be necessary. Cold approach, money game and all that do not offer the same perks a nightlife job can offer so for anyone who might want to talk about the how rather than the if, greatly appreciated.

A lot of you have dropped some top tier advice on this thread though so I appreciate that so far.

[a beer is enough]

Wanted to edit it in order to word it a bit nicer, went to work hungover today after drinking too much last night.

A lot of you guys seem to be sharing stories of monogamy after 30 or guys having to have girlfriends, my thoughts are if you are a man with capital past the age of 30, is it that tough to be a bachelor that fucks woman after woman? Trying to get a bit of a grasp of things here.

As for the debate of this thread, seems like there are downsides to both. I mean you can have money and even have some game but I just don't see how it can help you get real ingrained into the nightlife scene and really have status in it to where you getting at the top parties and actually know people there. Even if you could, the extra money, guys it can really help.

My work hours are only like 40 to 50 a week and I desperately want a social job for the weekends, none of that internet business stuff (that's for later), I rather exercise my social muscles and make money doing it. I mean if I have the energy for it, I am going to capitalize on it.

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Bro if you really want to be "fully ingrained" into a nightlife scene as much you say, you should move to Las Vegas and become a club promoter. Initially you would probably work as a low-end promoter at a not-as-popular place, basically just getting paid a few bucks for each girl you bring in, but eventually it is possible to move up to be a host where you make real $ (commission from selling tables). I don't know the detailed ins and outs of this scene but as far as I know, it is a pyramid where you start at the bottom and move your way up. I'm sure you can find more info on the forum and elsewhere. Most guys doing this are in their mid/late 20s so age-wise it fits.

Have you ever been to Vegas? It's literally a pussy buffet. There's hundreds of hot, slutty girls there every night of the week, there are many different clubs/bars/restaurants etc. If you're a host at a high end club, you can probably fuck a new chick every night + be dialed into the social scene throughout the city like very few tourists can be (I love Vegas, but I know I only experience a small part of it as a tourist). It's also a relatively cheap city to live in when you have connects.

Alternatively, take a summer off, and go instruct ATVing, kite surfing or wake boarding in a fun place like Cancun, Lagos (Portugal), or Mykonos. A cousin of mine did this and he said it was paradise, for 3 months you party with other people your age who are working there, bang both tourist girls and colleagues (the #metoo shit isn't exactly a problem with a job like this) and just have a good time. After a summer of this, see if you are able to get it out of your system. If not, then try to figure out a way to line up a more permanent job in an area like that.

I'm not saying this is the best career path for everybody (I personally prefer the path others have suggested), but if you really want to be plugged into a social circle the way you describe, it is better to go all the way in.