[AnonymousBosch]

(06-26-2018 05:36 PM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  

From what I understood it was Aliblabla - one of his last posts being the rainbow flag being raised by soldiers.

[Fortis]

Accusing Ali of being a homosexual is a low blow, Zelc. I was not always a big fan of Ali in his later days, but he does not deserve to have shade thrown at him almost 3 years after he left.

I've noticed you've been throwing shade at excelsior because he never got called to meet anyone when you have. Look at it this way. You make some very bold claims. That makes some of us curious about who you are. I do not recall excelsior doing anything other than sharing his thoughts. In fact, he left the forum on a bad note despite doing what he always did which was share his thoughts. Do not try and smear his name by implying he was not who he said he was. At the end of the day, he's gone, so let it go.

[churros]

(06-26-2018 07:16 PM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  

Good to know, but I'm fairly realistic that nothing I believe in would ever be instituted or possible in the current climate or with the current state of affairs.

Which is where we'll probably differ and instead try to convert the masses(on this forum or elsewhere) or inform them as you please.

And that's where I stop talking about it on the forum and prefer over a cigar and a beer in hypothetical in person.

I've just committed myself to passing those ideas, ethics, and belief in tradition down to my eventual children instead.

Good talk. I'll stay in my lane and you can have yours until the off chance our interests align. I personally have no issue with anyone on here unless they insult my friends, threaten me, or bullshit ala NolaTestPilot.

And hint hint the only long standing public beef I have on this forum is a result of the above.

Not responding directly to this comment, but taking it as springboard.

The best antidote for politics is to actually do politics. Many of the politics aficionados prefer to write screeds on the internet than act. Why? Politics becomes poisonous, embittering, and obsessive when you don't act.

I know this because I was involved in politics (in real life!) for several years. And I witnessed this phenomenon on the left and right.

When I read someone ranting about politics, I just roll my eyes. You have an opinion? Then get out there and do something. No excuses that the time isn't right, blah blah. There was an alt-right rally a few months ago. You have an issue with them? Go to their meetings and change something.

Politics is work, and if you're not prepared to work, your opinion doesn't matter.

[TravelerKai]

And some people wonder why I have Zelscorpion on my ignore list. Ali likely was drunk/trolling. Had you ever spoken to him before you would know that. I am not the only person on this forum to get a string of drunk messages from Ali. That's just how he rolls.

You deserve a temp ban for that, but since Ali is no longer a member, I guess your charlatan antics will get looked over. You are still trash to me no matter what you say to try and cover your ass. The rest of you should re-evaluate bothering with guys like this time wise. They obviously have an agenda, have zero class, and manipulated the forum with enough reps before showing us the true nature of their character. Yes kiddos lurking out there, you can pretend to be a solid dude until you too get 100+ reps, then show your ass too! It's easy! Even a racist can do it!

It is what it is....

[the-dream]

To re-iterate, I am not complaining about political discussions in their rightful threads and think that they are very important.

I am complaining about unrelated threads getting polluted with the negativity of the political posters and unwarranted attacks, random jew mentioning posts, changing the topic to preach your political views etc.

It started with Samesu (sp?) coming into every thread and making it so negative and now that he's gone, there seem to a be a hundred less intelligent, less thoughtful mini-Samesus derailing every decent thread.

[doc holliday]

Having met Ali recently, I can say he isn't gay. And yeah Zelcorpian, you really ought to have met some forum members by now, there's no excuse for that at all.

[scotian]

(06-26-2018 10:14 PM)PharaohRa Wrote:  

(06-25-2018 12:54 AM)the-dream Wrote:  

The quality of discussion on RVF has gone downhill recently because certain members (usually well-repped, veteran members who got their reputation from their politics, SJW, feminism threads) keep hijacking the discussion with personal attacks on either the OP or a random replier, steering it off topic then not letting it go even once they have said their piece. At this point, other well meaning posters jump in to defend either side and the original topic of discussion is totally lost.

How can we prevent this and be more respectful to fellow members and keep the posts on topic? If a new member came on and posted like that, they would be banned straight away. It's ironic that these members get their clout on RVF for bashing feminism but are more bitchy than Jezebel.

I mentioned in another thread that to get back to our roots that we should end the rep system. Certain members are using it the same way white women use it to gain status. The forum should go back to our think tank roots otherwise we will degenerate into what Jezebel/Huffington Post/Librul sites are currently.

As for turning into /pol, I think /pol is less biased than this forum and as I mentioned before, /pol is logic incarnate.

What are these roots that you speak of, what roots do you have on RVF? Why is it always new guys with zero rep complaining about the rep system?

[godfather dust]

I think it was travelerkai who mentioned this is not beef.

Beef is when someone does something wrong, your crew retaliates, they retaliate back and it gets completely out of hand.

We're just talking here.

[TravelerKai]

(06-27-2018 12:07 AM)godfather dust Wrote:  

I think it was travelerkai who mentioned this is not beef.

Beef is when someone does something wrong, your crew retaliates, they retaliate back and it gets completely out of hand.

We're just talking here.

I dunno now. If dudes like Zel keep talking reckless calling dudes homosexual, a beef just might get cooked off here.

Remember beefs are bullshit, get started over bullshit, and this is indeed some bullshit.

[jordypip23]

I have confidence that the real men on here will prevail as usual while the whiny bitches & whiny behavior will be purged out (with new ones trying to butt in once in a while).

Despite all that the forum has lived on for years with no signs of slowing down. It's a dog eat dog world in real life & out here in Roosh's playground heheh.

[Kona]

(06-26-2018 10:14 PM)PharaohRa Wrote:  

I mentioned in another thread that to get back to our roots that we should end the rep system. Certain members are using it the same way white women use it to gain status.

I applaud your decision to blame white people for whatever problem you may see. I do it every day.

It isnt quite clear to me how white women are manipulating the rep point system, but if you say they are, I believe it.

Aloha!

[renotime]

Can't we just go back to blaming the Jews for everything?

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Can you guys give it a rest already? So what if I thought that Ali was gay or supporting gay rights or whatever? I did not look into the issue of why he was banned and could have considered myself that it was unlikely anyway.

Now I am the Anti-Christ because of some random statement? Now everything I say has no meaning and must be burned to the ground? Give me a break here! You have multiple posts now of:

"Oh no - you thought that Ali was gay?!! How dare you say that?? Now you are Hitler, worse than Hitler - you are Mao-Stalin-Hitler in one."

It was a simple mistake for fuck's sake - I did not rape his wife and slaughter his children and I had no intention of "slinging shit" or dishonoring an esteemed member. We make fun of one of our friends in the group for being halfway into gaydom too. He does not go and demand a duel after that.

So no - I was wrong and that was that, I meant no fucking insult. But I guess that I would need to commit suicide after that and that everything I ever say is wrong.

[Tex Cruise]

< Simeon_Strangelight, or "SS" for short.

Literally Hitler.

[fokker]

(06-27-2018 12:44 AM)renotime Wrote:  

Can't we just go back to blaming the Jews for everything?

[Sombro]

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(06-27-2018 12:19 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(06-27-2018 12:07 AM)godfather dust Wrote:  

I think it was travelerkai who mentioned this is not beef.

Beef is when someone does something wrong, your crew retaliates, they retaliate back and it gets completely out of hand.

We're just talking here.

I dunno now. If dudes like Zel keep talking reckless calling dudes homosexual, a beef just might get cooked off here.

Remember beefs are bullshit, get started over bullshit, and this is indeed some bullshit.

I was new here back then, suddenly Ali gets banned. I take a look at his last post - see a gay flag. Thought to myself: "Maybe that's why he was banned." Forgot about it. Mentioned it years later here.

Now did I double down on it? "You said it! You are scum! I knew it!" Only because some guys here disagree on some points with me now use it as a justification for rampant attack.

And what is this "keep calling" - it's as if I am calling everyone gay? Never did that. That is really the epitome of beef. Beef is raised over bullshit - in this case over an honest mistake, some words thrown out, instantly retracted, but you gotta pile on, because you disagree with me over some other issue and this is welcome beef.

Covfefe.

[AnonymousBosch]

^ My apologies, SS. My point was more: the two threads about making the forum less divisive are only making things more divisive, and if its reaching the stage of calling out ex-members, then it's getting damn stupid. I'm bowing out, (though it's interesting to discover after five years here that we can - apparently - block other members). Anyone who finds me annoying has my permission to block me, though some probably already have. I've never done it myself, because, well, there was a scroll wheel on my mouse.

Ali was a good guy: he just has his demons, like we all do.

[Robert Plant]

I think the solution is rather simple, we need a rule that if you make an argument or assertion you need to back it up with either logic or objective evidence. We should call guys out who don't do this and in extreme cases guys should be banned when they fail to back up assertions.

If you want to give an opinion or speculate and you have no evidence, fine, just admit that it is a mere speculation. I used to participate in a sports related forum in which we were really big on backing everything up with evidence and logic. It worked very well and still works there. I don't see why it shouldn't work here.

I am one of the guys who is turned off by all the politics in the parts of the forum that aren't meant to be political, especially some of the name calling I see going on. It shows a level of weakness and insecurity. A mature, rational person does not insult.

[Dulceácido]

This is hilarious! The thread about trying to ask people to get along has gone full retard and imploded.

[kaotic]

I think it's safe to say if you have a problem with another guy on the forum - come here to call them out and vent about it...

At least it'll be contained to this thread and not derail the others.

[Dulceácido]

[Teedub]

(06-26-2018 06:43 PM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  

I have my own fucking reasons for doing what I do. Part of it is that I travel sometimes 80% of my time. I met with Bojangles and ThisisTrouble, they seldom post now. Teedub knows Bojangles.

I can vouch that Zel/Simeon did indeed meet with bojangles, and bojangles told me he was an interesting, solid dude. I think some people mistake the way someone behaves/types online with how they are in real life.

(06-26-2018 07:00 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  

I'll add an addendum onto my previous post that another point of contention amongst the membership these days is reputation, vetting, and how it relates to credibility.

It seems now more than ever a lot of older members put a great deal of emphasis on people who can be vouched for and have met other trustworthy members in real life. This sort of goes back to my point about how this community was originally built out of being a place of action. Men going out, doing things, meeting with eachother, and reporting back. A lot of the older crowd has a real "put your money where your mouth is" mentality. In their eyes, if you won't meet anyone then you clearly have something to hide that you don't want people here knowing about, and the primary suspicion being that you don't actually walk the walk.

Once again, this goes back to the armchair discussion types vs the mover and shaker types.

The rep thing has been an argument going on years now. I don't see that changing.

You're right, as my signature says! Meeting people from the forum is an awesome experience. If any of you haven't already, I highly recommend doing so.

[greekgod]

The forum as a group and collective mind will continue to evolve as our culture evolves. I joined in 2014 and became active in 2015 so I missed the game/travel heyday but its gone in lockstep with culture. 2006-2011 "wow, the real world is different than I imagined, whats going on? This anything goes stuff is fun" 2012-2013 "Tinder is amazing. Dating is wildly fun. Politics and culture and feminism? Yah, cool, lets plan a trip to Latam." 2013-2015 "Ummmm, I'm kinda uncomfortable with developments I'm seeing. This culture is becoming fatalist and adversarial. I might want off this ride" 2015-Present "Step right up, come one, come all to America the Carnival where anything goes and you'll ride until you puke." My brief synopsis of changing tones over the years across the culture.

This place is comprised of individuals who coalesce around common ideas and events. What people forget not long after joining is what brought them here. Pain, confusion, bewilderment, lack of understanding, a desire to travel more efficiently, etc. Once the toothpaste comes out of the tube all bets are off for a bit. You realize all those socially unacceptable thoughts that you had in meetings, walking down the street, at a bar, and so on are actually permissible here and you divulge sentiments you'd never dare say in public. It becomes like a VFW bar for fellow travelers in this strange culture. Its "liberating" to be in a "safe space" for a bit.

However, get it out your system, adjust and move on. Perma nihilism or political speculation about "the west" is wasteful at best. It's interesting, we live in interesting times, but its not meaningful.

Something in your personal life caused you to sign up. It wasn't Hillary Clinton or the Huffington Post. It was a deeply personal need. Whether it was a problem, a place to express your thoughts, or how to gain muscle, that was the impetus.

Self improvement is fun. Nihilism is fun for five minutes on twitter, it aint a lifestyle. Scope creep happens to everything but if you keep the beginning in mind, you'll get more mileage out of this place. And most importantly, hopefully you remedied whatever brought you here.

That being said, once you sort it, either help others solve their problems or go about your business. Some dudes have their identities tied up in RVF and incase you didn't notice, their is only one persons name on the URL. Southwest Airlines, which happen to have the worlds greatest female pilots as evidenced by the recent heroics in philadelphia, teaches its customer service people to focus on behavior and not the person, its extremely effective.

Ultimately, Roosh has to decide where he wants to take his Brand. It seems he's satisfied his needs for notoriety, sexual conquest, travel, and pushing the limits of personal development.

I myself unlocked the fatal flaw in my personality which led me here which is why I rarely post anymore. It wasn't culture, feminism, or anything else. It was a deeply ingrained learned habit that the NPD Family thread shined light on. CLICK. Holy shit, there's the behavior I need to change. And I did. I shared with others my mental framework of the issue and am working through it.

The worlds most capable people generally all understand what we talk about here. However, they take that understanding and apply it covertly. Crash course, not a lifestyle.

Tl;dr, Remember what brought you here and ask yourself if you're just bored at work or actually moving yourself forward by participating in the conversation. Rule #GFY-If you want to attract attention to yourself, do it in a positive manner. Don't sulk in the corner.

PS-The biggest value you get out of this place is meeting others, it affirms a lot.

[Dulceácido]

Meeting people is no longer a viable option for identifying someones character, it seems. You meet them. You vouch for them. Then your head is on the chopping block. Not only did you not meet them, but you're an account created by "them." And you're gonna be roasted.

Everyone is NASA Test Pilot, Indian Race Troll or if they're not, they are "Sock Puppets."

Does anyone else here see, we have a huge problem? This thread is so toxic. I'm out.