[sterling_archer]

I always looked at it as a "grass is always greener on the other side". For example, anyone here want to move to Croatia? It is not a shithole, but it is not miles away from it. I would rather live in USA because I think that even with eroding liberty I could grow there more than here.

[Tintin]

(07-27-2018 02:57 AM)Suits Wrote:  

(07-26-2018 08:32 AM)Tintin Wrote:  

(07-26-2018 04:44 AM)Suits Wrote:  

Hi man, I'm looking for one secret key ingredient for success to take all the hard-work out of being successful. By the way, I'm allergic to making a serious effort at anything that doesn't involve an immediate reward and I have no disciple or imagination.

I also have zero dollars and cents to invest into any effort and the only reason why I'm not currently homeless is because I live on the couch in my parent's basement.

So, can you mentor me?

I can mentor you for a certain cost. Please tell you parents that you want some of your inheritance early, tell them you will be moving to Transdniester, where you will fritter away their money at a slower rate than you would do back home.

Good news! I talked to my parents and they've agreed! Their only condition is that you guarantee them that they will never hear from me again.

Do you want to wire me the money for my airfare or should I just shoot you my particulars and let you handle the actual purchase of the tickets?

Transdniester is a good place to make a guy disappear, it can be arranged for a few bottles of vodka and some salo.

Please let me know the flight details, I wait you at Cjisinau airport, I send one ofy comrades to collect you and the cash

[AsiaBaller]

I honestly don't recommend it, but I can see why people put up with it given how bad the west is these days.

In third world shitholes where your race differs (south east asia) you're just a walking ATM to locals and remain forever outside of society. It's a culture based around graft and inherited social status that's completely incompatible with meritocratic values normally held by western men.

Chances are you'll live a lonely and alienated life among third world peasants or you're forced to hang out with naive dimwitted retired boomers or equally naive digital nomad types blue pilled on the workings of the third world and how much locals despise the confident big dick foreigner that earns as much in a month as they earn in a year.

If you aren't beta locals will hate you, give you constant death stares, shitty service etc. . I wouldn't be surprised if Zyzz was killed by some jelly thai given how dodgy the hooker city of Pattaya is where he died.

[Tintin]

(07-28-2018 08:26 AM)AsiaBaller Wrote:  

I honestly don't recommend it, but I can see why people put up with it given how bad the west is these days.

In third world shitholes where your race differs (south east asia) you're just a walking ATM to locals and remain forever outside of society. It's a culture based around graft and inherited social status that's completely incompatible with meritocratic values normally held by western men.

Chances are you'll live a lonely and alienated life among third world peasants or you're forced to hang out with naive dimwitted retired boomers or equally naive digital nomad types blue pilled on the workings of the third world and how much locals despise the confident big dick foreigner that earns as much in a month as they earn in a year.

If you aren't beta locals will hate you, give you constant death stares, shitty service etc. . I wouldn't be surprised if Zyzz was killed by some jelly thai given how dodgy the hooker city of Pattaya is where he died.

+1

Very true of many other global shitholes. A lot of people don't want to have a beer with a guy who makes 20 times what they do.

If you're a DM perhaps better to say you inherited money rather than tell them that you made $200 while you slept.

It's also maybe better to live in a semi shithole and make occasional trips down the sphincter, in the semi shitholes there will be a more dynamic expat community

[The Stronger Sex]

(07-26-2018 01:18 AM)Suits Wrote:  

(07-25-2018 09:33 PM)travolta Wrote:  

If you move somewhere ONLY for girls then you are a simp

I moved to China just for the women. Yes, living here has served my career and I have enjoyed and embraced the growth that such an environment has contributed to my life.

But if the women in Canada were as sweet and decent as the women in China, I wouldn't have had a real reason to remain in China for anything longer than an extended vacation.

Building a business is hard work anywhere. It's almost certainly harder for me to do so in China than it would be in Canada.

The reason I'm doing it in China and not Canada is because being around 5's with bad attitudes every day was unbearable.

(07-26-2018 12:53 AM)Sidney Crosby Wrote:  

(07-25-2018 09:33 PM)travolta Wrote:  

If you move somewhere ONLY for girls then you are a simp

You just insulted most of the forum

Not even close. I'd surprised if most of the forum has even travelled somewhere else for pussy.

Women are responsive beings. They are mirrors. If they have a bad attitude is because you allow them to. If they perceive you as their superior (as they should if you're doing things right) the bitchiest woman is submissive.

[Suits]

(07-28-2018 03:41 PM)The Stronger Sex Wrote:  

(07-26-2018 01:18 AM)Suits Wrote:  

The reason I'm doing it in China and not Canada is because being around 5's with bad attitudes every day was unbearable.

Women are responsive beings. They are mirrors. If they have a bad attitude is because you allow them to. If they perceive you as their superior (as they should if you're doing things right) the bitchiest woman is submissive.

Sure man. Why don't you move to Toronto or DC, spend a decade living there just to show us how it's done?

[Celestial]

What do you mean by shithole?

If you mean a place that you actually have to eat outside on little plastic stools with little tables while some 7/10 brings you Pho and you watch motorbikes and scooters go by and can fly to some beach for 40 bucks and drink 5 banana shakes a day, then I really don't understand. Is that really that bad?

If you mean a place where people make peanuts but there are beautiful parks in the city with old people playing chess and young kids hanging out talking with no cell phones and clubs with tons of chicks that have only $10 entry, then I really don't understand. Is it really that bad?

If you mean a place where corruption is rampant and there's a bit of danger but people are incredibly friendly and love to dance and socialize and you can eat 20 Empanadas a day while finding Latinas to call you Papi and enjoy hot weather year round, then I really don't understand. Is it really that bad?

Shithole is a relative term. I wouldn't necessarily consider the above shitholes but many people move to places like the above for girls. So my answer to your question OP is, maybe it's realistic, maybe it's not, but you certainly don't have to.

[Crash_Bandicoot]

Bro

Let me tell you an emotional story. I'm writing this for you, OP, so hopefully this helps you make a decision:

A few years back I traveled to Latin America. I had the time of my life. I had slept with and met more beautiful women in 2 months than I had living years in the USA. It was incredible.

The moment I came back to the USA, I spent years thinking about how I could make it back to Latin America. I started learning Spanish, I focused on being location-independent, etc.

But then I went back for a visit and something changed: Banging + dating women just didn't have that excitement anymore. Getting lost and meeting strangers (something I absolutely loved) just seemed stupid. Trying out new and exotic foods just seemed boring. I missed my shitty, fat-filled American food. I really did.


But that was only a small part of it. Here's what really hit me hard:

I came home one night (when I was living in the USA) and saw my dad come home late from work - sweating, stressed out, etc. Mom was cleaning the dishes and making food as well. I grew up in a middle-class family and we were always trying to make ends meet.

It really hit me then.

My parents had worked their asses off just to give me a good life in the Western world and so I could chase my dreams. For opportunity. Living in the Western world, we literally have the chance to do anything with our lives:

We have the ability to make lots of money, to start a company, to start a nonprofit and help others, to chase out dreams - whatever they are.

And here I was thinking about moving to some third world shit hole just so I could meet hotter women? Was that really what I wanted to make out of my life?

There's so much more to life than just chasing women. I'd much rather chase my dreams and make a large footprint. You will meet women regardless of where you are – they may not be the top shelf Ukrainian/Colombian marriage/banging quality + easiness, but I’m totally okay with that

It's hard to fully grasp the concept of opportunity until it's out of your hand. Some men don't learn about things until they actually do it. And that was my case. And maybe the only way for OP to realize that moving to a 3rd world shit hole isn't worth it is for him to move there and then make that realization on his own. I really doubt reading posts on a thread are going to make much of an impact on him. So go right ahead, move to that shit hole.

If OP ends up moving to some 3rd world shit hole - I'll be waiting for that day when he logs back into the RVF forum, scrolls down to my post, and says "oh shit, that man was right".


Mission first, pussy second

[Il Bersagliere]

(07-28-2018 08:26 AM)AsiaBaller Wrote:  

I honestly don't recommend it, but I can see why people put up with it given how bad the west is these days.

In third world shitholes where your race differs (south east asia) you're just a walking ATM to locals and remain forever outside of society. It's a culture based around graft and inherited social status that's completely incompatible with meritocratic values normally held by western men.

Chances are you'll live a lonely and alienated life among third world peasants or you're forced to hang out with naive dimwitted retired boomers or equally naive digital nomad types blue pilled on the workings of the third world and how much locals despise the confident big dick foreigner that earns as much in a month as they earn in a year.

If you aren't beta locals will hate you, give you constant death stares, shitty service etc. . I wouldn't be surprised if Zyzz was killed by some jelly thai given how dodgy the hooker city of Pattaya is where he died.

+1

This needs to be stated more. While it's fun to have sex and cool on the beach, I'm noticing similar things in my neck of the woods as well, especially since that stooge du30 got elected. The locals are contemptible people.

[Barron]

Fully agree with Bandicoot.

Stay home, work work work work work, because that's what is expected of you. Aren't you ashamed that you would disgrace your parents by throwing away what they worked so hard to provide? Pretty damn ungrateful. You can be anything and do anything as long as you stay in the west.

One day when you're 50 and you look back on this post, you'll be happy you decided to stay home, keep your head down and work your 9-5.

If you can swing what Bandicoot has: live with parents rent free, save tons of $$$ on meals that mom cooks, etc., all those women who ignored you will be throwing themselves at you later on. Remember, you can meet women anywhere, so why travel for girls? It's an empty pursuit. What matters is that you keep working.

[jordypip23]

(07-29-2018 02:10 AM)NomadofEU Wrote:  

Fully agree with Bandicoot.

Stay home, work work work work work, because that's what is expected of you. Aren't you ashamed that you would disgrace your parents by throwing away what they worked so hard to provide? Pretty damn ungrateful. You can be anything and do anything as long as you stay in the west.

One day when you're 50 and you look back on this post, you'll be happy you decided to stay home, keep your head down and work your 9-5.

If you can swing what Bandicoot has: live with parents rent free, save tons of $$$ on meals that mom cooks, etc., all those women who ignored you will be throwing themselves at you later on. Remember, you can meet women anywhere, so why travel for girls? It's an empty pursuit. What matters is that you keep working.

There is obvious sarcasm in this reply. I think the key takeaway from Crash's post is to never revolve all your major life decisions around pussy. That being said I think the OP should certainly experiment with some vacations to said places. Crash went through it too after all. Everything in moderation is key. There are pro's & cons to everything. There really is no one size fits all approach here.

[AsiaBaller]

(07-28-2018 08:41 PM)Celestial Wrote:  

What do you mean by shithole?

If you mean a place that you actually have to eat outside on little plastic stools with little tables while some 7/10 brings you Pho and you watch motorbikes and scooters go by and can fly to some beach for 40 bucks and drink 5 banana shakes a day, then I really don't understand. Is that really that bad?

If you mean a place where people make peanuts but there are beautiful parks in the city with old people playing chess and young kids hanging out talking with no cell phones and clubs with tons of chicks that have only $10 entry, then I really don't understand. Is it really that bad?

If you mean a place where corruption is rampant and there's a bit of danger but people are incredibly friendly and love to dance and socialize and you can eat 20 Empanadas a day while finding Latinas to call you Papi and enjoy hot weather year round, then I really don't understand. Is it really that bad?

Shithole is a relative term. I wouldn't necessarily consider the above shitholes but many people move to places like the above for girls. So my answer to your question OP is, maybe it's realistic, maybe it's not, but you certainly don't have to.

That's the romance period where everything is new and you really don't get the local culture.

Once you're used to the beautiful nature etc. and it all becomes old news then you start to see what people and society are really like.

In SEA either seem constantly all smiles and happy because they're either dimwitted or because they're trying to defuse tension. You're supposed to show respect to anyone older or higher up the social ranks than you so it's better to be safe than sorry. South East Asians murdering each other for perceived losses of face is a very real thing.

I also got a ton of death stares and bitchy attitudes since I upgraded my style from broke teenager to preppy in my late 20s. Once you're on par or above the style of the local elites it's game over unless you're a hyoersocial dude who wants to be friendly all the time to everyone (but in that case you'd probably have a huge social circle back home instead of living in a third world shithole)

When someone in SEA is going to murder or poison you they'll do so while being fake friendly.

[AsiaBaller]

On eastern Europe, which is not as much of a shithole as SEA:

I have limited experience there but generally it wears you down.

Yeah cost of living can be cheap but the locals have grim no future attitudes as jobs are hard to come by and pay peanuts while local elites scheme to consolidate power and loot the governments resources.

Starting your own biz? Good luck with surviving insane bureaucratic red tape, high taxes etc.

There really is no way out aside from leaving the country which the vast majority of people will never do for a multitude of reasons.

As such the women open to foreigners tend to be very opportunistic and hardened schemers. If you ever take them back home chances they'll monkey branch to a richer guy or to an eastern European guy living there whom they perceive to be tougher and more manly.

Poland used to be the sweet spot between a total shithole like Ukraine or Moldova and western Europe where the girls were friendly and not very cut throat but as per Roosh things apparently changed in recent years to more western attitudes (more bitch shields, career women etc.)

[Henny]

I don't think there's a right or wrong answer, you can stay in your native country and fail to achieve, or you can move to shithole x and be forced to hustle to survive and really make something, or vice versa.

On 100k a year, many of us would prefer to be in shithole X as we are likely to be able to get hotter chicks than back home, especially if we're over 30

The biggest problems I have had with being a DN for 11 years are that I don't see my family much, and also I don't push myself with work hard enough because I don't have to. I make a couple grand then I give up and spend the money on booze and women

[lavidaloca]

When you move to poorer countries girls are only part of the equation and that will only be really relevant if you can take advantage of some form of economic arbitrage.

If you go to the 2nd / 3rd world and work in a call center making $300 a month with no savings. Fuck that. You may get the odd bit of tinder pussy but your life will be boring because you will be counting pennies with everything you do.

If you go the 2nd/ 3rd world but have a contract with a US company that pays you $2,000 a month. Now you get the girls and a lifestyle that you couldn't replicate in the US.

One of the worst things about the West mentality is this work your ass off for many years so you can afford the biggest home possible and nice cars, furniture etc. By the time you are 30 you will be lucky to see your best friends once in a month. They are always "busy." Even if busy just means sitting at home watching netflix after a stressful day at the office. I see my best friend maybe 6 times a year. Thats a ridiculous concept as far as I am concerned. So now you get the big house, fancy cars, white picket fence but the only people who spend any time seeing you are your girlfriend / wife and kids.

What makes people happy in life is positive and frequent social interaction with limited if any stress. The West promotes the exact opposite style of livings. Minimal interaction and high stress. If you know more about your 55 year old work colleague then your best buddies then something isn't right. That's the West.

In Cuba I see my friends every week. Multiple times a week. What more can a person ask for. If I say lets go to the beach on a Tuesday I have friends who can go. In the West if I did the same I'd need a miracle for that to happen.

You also need to remember you can retire significantly faster or pursue hobbies if you move to the 2nd / 3rd world. Being a multi millionaire for all intensive purposes will become irrelevant. In many countries you can probably live well on 1/5th to 1/10th what you'd need to retire in the west....news flash...to 10x your money in investments you need a 10% average annual rate of return over a 25 year period. So that retire by 65 now becomes retire by 40. Do some work in the country of your choice and now you are at retire by 35 or even 30.

Would you rather be the guy who saw the world, have friends in many cities who you can visit at a moments notice, have girlfriend(s), maybe even a wife, be able to do what you want when you want...or would you rather be the guy who wakes up at 5:30am to get ready and commute to work / own business each day just so you can pay for some huge mortgage and car payments so that your wife "is happy..." until she isn't then you after 20 years of making mortgage payments and getting $500,000 in equity at that point are told honey I want a divorce...and even though I haven't worked as much as you or as hard as you well baby I'll take $250,000 plus you can pay me $1,500 a month for little Jack whose now 8.

[Mikestar]

(07-29-2018 03:20 AM)lavidaloca Wrote:  

When you move to poorer countries girls are only part of the equation and that will only be really relevant if you can take advantage of some form of economic arbitrage.

If you go to the 2nd / 3rd world and work in a call center making $300 a month with no savings. Fuck that. You may get the odd bit of tinder pussy but your life will be boring because you will be counting pennies with everything you do.

If you go the 2nd/ 3rd world but have a contract with a US company that pays you $2,000 a month. Now you get the girls and a lifestyle that you couldn't replicate in the US.

One of the worst things about the West mentality is this work your ass off for many years so you can afford the biggest home possible and nice cars, furniture etc. By the time you are 30 you will be lucky to see your best friends once in a month. They are always "busy." Even if busy just means sitting at home watching netflix after a stressful day at the office. I see my best friend maybe 6 times a year. Thats a ridiculous concept as far as I am concerned. So now you get the big house, fancy cars, white picket fence but the only people who spend any time seeing you are your girlfriend / wife and kids.

What makes people happy in life is positive and frequent social interaction with limited if any stress. The West promotes the exact opposite style of livings. Minimal interaction and high stress. If you know more about your 55 year old work colleague then your best buddies then something isn't right. That's the West.

In Cuba I see my friends every week. Multiple times a week. What more can a person ask for. If I say lets go to the beach on a Tuesday I have friends who can go. In the West if I did the same I'd need a miracle for that to happen.

You also need to remember you can retire significantly faster or pursue hobbies if you move to the 2nd / 3rd world. Being a multi millionaire for all intensive purposes will become irrelevant. In many countries you can probably live well on 1/5th to 1/10th what you'd need to retire in the west....news flash...to 10x your money in investments you need a 10% average annual rate of return over a 25 year period. So that retire by 65 now becomes retire by 40. Do some work in the country of your choice and now you are at retire by 35 or even 30.

Would you rather be the guy who saw the world, have friends in many cities who you can visit at a moments notice, have girlfriend(s), maybe even a wife, be able to do what you want when you want...or would you rather be the guy who wakes up at 5:30am to get ready and commute to work / own business each day just so you can pay for some huge mortgage and car payments so that your wife "is happy..." until she isn't then you after 20 years of making mortgage payments and getting $500,000 in equity at that point are told honey I want a divorce...and even though I haven't worked as much as you or as hard as you well baby I'll take $250,000 plus you can pay me $1,500 a month for little Jack whose now 8.

[Lino]

(07-28-2018 03:41 PM)The Stronger Sex Wrote:  

Women are responsive beings. They are mirrors. If they have a bad attitude is because you allow them to. If they perceive you as their superior (as they should if you're doing things right) the bitchiest woman is submissive.

They are the mirror of the society they live in (their education plays also a very big role) but not the reflect of the man in front of them. They will by default disrespect and have a bad attitude with almost all men because they are used to it. When you don’t tolerate their bullshit and show a strong frame they aren’t used to it and will think you are not normal because sadly the norm for men in the west is to be a spineless dude with no frame. The chicks will most probably move to what they call a « nice guy » which actually is a beta schmuck, easiest to handle for them.

[rottenapple]

(07-29-2018 03:20 AM)lavidaloca Wrote:  

When you move to poorer countries girls are only part of the equation and that will only be really relevant if you can take advantage of some form of economic arbitrage.

If you go to the 2nd / 3rd world and work in a call center making $300 a month with no savings. Fuck that. You may get the odd bit of tinder pussy but your life will be boring because you will be counting pennies with everything you do.

If you go the 2nd/ 3rd world but have a contract with a US company that pays you $2,000 a month. Now you get the girls and a lifestyle that you couldn't replicate in the US.

One of the worst things about the West mentality is this work your ass off for many years so you can afford the biggest home possible and nice cars, furniture etc. By the time you are 30 you will be lucky to see your best friends once in a month. They are always "busy." Even if busy just means sitting at home watching netflix after a stressful day at the office. I see my best friend maybe 6 times a year. Thats a ridiculous concept as far as I am concerned. So now you get the big house, fancy cars, white picket fence but the only people who spend any time seeing you are your girlfriend / wife and kids.

What makes people happy in life is positive and frequent social interaction with limited if any stress. The West promotes the exact opposite style of livings. Minimal interaction and high stress. If you know more about your 55 year old work colleague then your best buddies then something isn't right. That's the West.

In Cuba I see my friends every week. Multiple times a week. What more can a person ask for. If I say lets go to the beach on a Tuesday I have friends who can go. In the West if I did the same I'd need a miracle for that to happen.

You also need to remember you can retire significantly faster or pursue hobbies if you move to the 2nd / 3rd world. Being a multi millionaire for all intensive purposes will become irrelevant. In many countries you can probably live well on 1/5th to 1/10th what you'd need to retire in the west....news flash...to 10x your money in investments you need a 10% average annual rate of return over a 25 year period. So that retire by 65 now becomes retire by 40. Do some work in the country of your choice and now you are at retire by 35 or even 30.

Would you rather be the guy who saw the world, have friends in many cities who you can visit at a moments notice, have girlfriend(s), maybe even a wife, be able to do what you want when you want...or would you rather be the guy who wakes up at 5:30am to get ready and commute to work / own business each day just so you can pay for some huge mortgage and car payments so that your wife "is happy..." until she isn't then you after 20 years of making mortgage payments and getting $500,000 in equity at that point are told honey I want a divorce...and even though I haven't worked as much as you or as hard as you well baby I'll take $250,000 plus you can pay me $1,500 a month for little Jack whose now 8.

Great post, I cannot agree more, +1 from me. Life is not about comfort and routine, it's about adventure, new experiences and quality social contacts (friends as well as girlfriends).

[Enhanced Eddie]

When I first started traveling I went to South America and I was looking for a paradise place that I could call my new home. After traveling to every single South American country except for Uruguay I came to a simple conclusion: there is no paradise. You have to pick your poison.

There are countries with

- Great beaches
- Great infrastructure
- Fast internet
- Great food
- Great weather
- Hot girls
- Easy girls
- Cool personality girls
- Good online game
- Good daygame
- Good nightgame
- Easy visas
- Low or zero taxes
- Great expat community
- and the list goes on

You can pick a few of those items on the list but you can never get them all in one single place... so you have to just pick the ones most important to you and live with the rest.

[Giacomo Casanova]

Great post lavidaloca. I think that there could be something in the middle between being the digital nomad in shitholes and running the rat race in West. For instance getting a well paid job in a 2nd world country with hot girls, having a good lifestyle and being able to afford to traveling wherever you want with the money that you save.