[Sabra]

Great post naswanji. You really got a good feel for my city - how long were you here? Anyway, +1 from me, and I'll comment specifically on some of your remarks a little later

[at350zguyy]

Tel Aviv, and Israel in general is one place I'd like to go play some basketball at and see how the competition stacks up to what I get in the states.

[Sabra]

(09-05-2012 12:25 PM)naswanji Wrote:  

The girls are indeed stunning, and dress very sexy and feminine in the summer months. The army doesn't seem to have hardened them at all, and in fact, even the ones walking around in uniform were pretty hot, still putting on make-up and wearing cammies that are probably too tight to be effective in combat.

Yeah man. They get the uniforms tailored.

(09-05-2012 12:25 PM)naswanji Wrote:  

Their personalities were tough as is their reputation, and they were not easily impressed. Israel sees lots of tourists and immigrants, so they are very blase about foreigners. I've been living and working for years among their enemy countries in the Middle East, and even that didn't really spark their intrigue -- if anything, it made them wary. The witty, verbal game that I've used with much success on American Jewish girls did not work here either. Israelis do have very good English, but not good enough to appreciate wordplay and other subtleties (by contrast, I've found that northern Europeans as well as upper-class Arabs do have that level of English). I got the sense that a more direct, dominant style of game would be effective here, but I wasn't really able to confirm that in one weeks' time. Maybe Sabra can chime in on this.

Actually I'm surprised they didn't get your wordplay. We watch enough US tv (Sienfeld, Simpsons, etc.) here that most people get American sarcasm. But like I said before, there's absolutely nothing in common between American Jewish girls and Israelis.

About direct game, that's definitely the way to go. Flirt, but don't beat around the bush too much. Israeli men are very direct and aggressive, and the women will expect you to be the same.

In bars, I would usually go up real direct and start a conversation. Then cut out early on to hit the bar, talk to a friend, whatever. Come back a few minutes later after she's had a chance to think about you. Again, you're gonna need solid game here. Be cocky but don't try to show off too much in conversation - remember that most Israelis are better traveled than you, and no less smart and tough.

Maybe some of that sounds contradictory, but give it a shot anyway. I think of Israeli women as real high quality women, worth the challenge.

(09-05-2012 12:25 PM)naswanji Wrote:  

If you like Mediterranean-looking women but don't know Spanish, French or Italian, Israeli women might be your best bet. They speak better English than the southern European countries, and are easier to lay. Israel also has better demographics than Spain, Italy or Greece, which all have aging populations -- i.e., less girls in their prime years.

Very true.

(09-05-2012 12:25 PM)naswanji Wrote:  

I also have reason to believe that the Arab Israeli girls themselves are more liberal about sex than Arab girls elsewhere due to the overall permissive climate.

Ehh, could be. Personally I would never get with an Arab woman, but its your prerogotive. There is still the occassional 'honor killing' here, where the men in a Muslim family kill a woman who slept with the 'wrong' man. They do tend to be more liberal here than, say, Saudi Arabia, but there are still plenty of veiled women. If you're really set on it, maybe try places that are more mixed between Jews, Arab Christians, and Muslims, like maybe parts of Jerusalem, Jaffa (Yafo), and Haifa. I wouldn't suggest it, but hey.

(09-05-2012 12:25 PM)naswanji Wrote:  

If you like the Russian look but don't want to wear Gortex nine months out of the year, Israel has had over one million Russian immigrants since the fall of the USSR. You can boff Russian beauties while still enjoying six months of beach and sun a year.

Yes! And not just Russians, also Ukrainians, Moldovans, Georgians, Romanians, Belarus, etc etc.

(09-05-2012 12:25 PM)naswanji Wrote:  

Then, if you like Ethiopian girls (the most beautiful of all black women, IMO) but don't want to travel to a third-world country where you have to take malaria pills everyday, Israel also has that. (Israel helped over 100,000 Ethiopian Jews immigrate in the late 1980s). I'm not sure how open their girls are to being gamed, though. I didn't seem them out much in the nightlife.

Man, you're right on again, Ethiopian women are stunning, but unfortunately they tend to stick to their own. There are a few locations, like Kiryat Malachi or parts of south TLV (just don't mix them up with the Eritreans!), where there are larger percentages of Ethiopians, so at least you can give it a shot. But usually only see them with other Ethiopians, except for occassionally very young mixed couples. Let me know if someone pulls this off, haha.

(09-05-2012 12:25 PM)naswanji Wrote:  

I'd sign off on the general picture given by Sabra. To his daygame list, I would add Azrieli Center, a trendy mall where you can find younger girls than in the nighttime scene. Rothschild Blvd is great for daygame both day and night. You find people chilling on the benches or at various kiosk-cafes there at all hours. The Northern beaches are indeed the better ones to go to, Metzitzim in particular is good.

Yeah, actually Metzitzim means 'peeking' in Hebrew. There was a famous movie about the beach, where kids used to go spy on the girls bathing.

Definitely a big cafe culture here. Anywhere between Dizengof St, down Ben Gurion, up Ibn Gvirol, a ton of cafes, women walking dogs, and other opportunities for day game.

(09-05-2012 12:25 PM)naswanji Wrote:  

On weeknights, most of the bars tended to peak around 11 and start to drop off around 12. One bar that I can recommend though in particular is Nanuchka on Lilienblum St. Technically a Georgian restaurant (Georgian as in the country of Georgia), its bar goes strong late into the night with a real let-loose atmosphere, girls dancing on tables, etc. It was still packed at 4 am on a Tuesday night the time I went.

Good call about Nanuchka, I always have fun there. Also if you meet someone and want to venue change, there's a few other bars/lounges on the same street.

Another good spot with similar nature in 'haMaoz' on King George St. Inside and outside seating, usually just crowded enough around the bar to have plenty of targets.

(09-05-2012 12:25 PM)naswanji Wrote:  

For me, the best bars for pick-up are ones that have lots of "circulation," i.e. people moving around and not sitting in closed groups, and that have spaces where you can escape the noise and lay down some verbal game. Two bars that I found like that in TLV are Har Sinai and Teder. Har Sinai is off of Allenby street (I think?) while Teder is behind a building on Herzl St. Both of these bars spill into the street outside and people are sitting around on cars, benches and other makeshift seats. Very easy opens at these venues, with a real street party atmosphere.

Man, if you found Har Sinai you really got around the city. Its behind the Great Synagogue just off Allenby St. Also check out the restaurant (downstairs) and club (upstairs) just across Allenby st, down a little alley. It's kind of a cool hidden spot.

(09-05-2012 12:25 PM)naswanji Wrote:  

Shabazi street in Neve Tzedek has more wine bars in one square mile than anywhere outside Napa Valley. Probably better as a first date location, if you hit these places early you may be able to run some game.

Right on. I used to know most of the waitresses at those wine bars, they're mostly married/engaged, but super friendly and if they like you they'll introduce you to local girls. In my single days I had one of these spots on lock and they would always hook me up with corner spot when I came in with new girls. But its not a classic spot for pickup, relatively low turnover and nobody comes here to get drunk.

Down the end of Shabazi is the 'Mitham haTahana', a trendy spot I mentioned before in an old restored train station, a little touristy but it does have the 'Vicky Christina' resto for high rollers.

(09-05-2012 12:25 PM)naswanji Wrote:  

If you're taking Roosh's five-day challenge...

If I was going back and only had five days to get a bang in Israel, this is how I would structure my day.

Get a studio apartment in the Neve Tzedek/Lilienblum St area. That puts you near the highest concentration of nightlife and a five-minute walk from the beach.

Have your morning coffee at one of the kiosk-cafes on Rothschild Blvd. Lots of people stop by these places for a quick breakfast/coffee before work. Post up at one of these places around 9 or 10 am and you'll see a really high turnover over the course of an hour. Real easy to strike up a convo with anyone at these places. Get warmed up for daygame at least, or maybe even get a casual set in. You're a tourist planning your day, and that girl looks like she could offer some good suggestions, you get the idea.

Daygame on Rothschild Blvd or at HaYarkon Park in late morning, catch girls on coffee or lunch break. When the day starts to heat up, head over to Azrieli Center to game indoors where it's cooler. Late afternoon make your way to the beach, where lots of people will be headed after work. At 6 or so head back to your place to get cleaned up for the evening. Hit up a wine bar around 7, where you can game the waitresses or the first few girls trickling in. Maybe get your dinner in here as well. Post up at one of the pick-up/dive bars around 9 (unfortunately, I didn't get a sense of which places were best on which nights). When the bars start to fall off around midnight (I'm thinking weeknights here), you could hit one of the clubs. Radio EPBG seems to be the most trendy one right now in the Lilienblum St area. The Clara is also pretty close by if you are in Neve Tzedek. You could head out to the clubs at the port in North TLV, but then you're pretty far from your base of operations if you do pull.

You'll have a hard time reaching that "zombie apocalypse" point where you're the only one left on the street. People will be lingering and hanging out on Rothschild as late as 4-5 am, so you could go back to where you started and end the day there by unleashing a few apocalypse openers on the drunk girls staggering around that area. There's also a 24-hour breakfast restaurant called Benedict that gets a pretty good crowd at that hour, lots of drunk groups and a real raucous atmosphere. Be real bold and invite the entire restaurant to your after-party just blocks away...

Nice plan. I'll add a few more points.

For accomodations, Neve Tzedek can't be beat for style, but it's expensive. If you're on a budget, try Florentine, which is close, and a lot cheaper. There's a ton of bars there, more of a high school/army age crowd.

Wouldn't suggest dinner at the wine bars in Neve Tzedek, they're better just for drinks and chilling. If you want good eats try the Kimel chef's restaruant nearby, or the Suzanne down the other end of Shabazi. For great burgers, try Wolfnights on Nahalat Binyamin.

For late night, the classic spot is 'haHatul v'haKelev' (the Cat and the Dog'). Sex drugs and rocknroll every night. Especially the drugs.

Good call about Benedicts too. They have another site uptown on Ben Yehuda St.

[Sabra]

(09-06-2012 01:31 PM)at350zguyy Wrote:  

Tel Aviv, and Israel in general is one place I'd like to go play some basketball at and see how the competition stacks up to what I get in the states.

Cool, go for it. Try the 'Sportek' in Park Hayarkon in north TLV for pickup games any night. Any cab driver can take you there, or take the #5 minibus.

It's not the same level of comp you get in a good pickup game in the states, but we're not bad. You can find a game to match just about any skill.

[choichoi]

(07-10-2012 07:56 PM)qazwsx Wrote:  

Short piece of Tel-Aviv by "60 Minutes":

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7...ryMediaBox

Preciate the share. That vid has me sold! That and the Israeli chick with the phattie at my job in the airport duty-free who told me in a somewhat seductive tone that "[I] must come to Tel Aviv".

[EasyMoney]

I will be in Tel Aviv from the 21st-31st of July - anyone going to be there or have any tips?

[Barron]

Just curious: do Scandinavian looking guys (blond hair/blue eyes) have an advantage with Israeli jewesses? If not, what type of look do these girls respond to?

[nomadbrah]

(07-23-2018 08:01 AM)NomadofEU Wrote:  

Just curious: do Scandinavian looking guys (blond hair/blue eyes) have an advantage with Israeli jewesses? If not, what type of look do these girls respond to?

The Azhkenazi diaspora are really into the nordic look (men and women), but the girls in Israel told me that the ideal there was to look as Mediterranean as possible. Many Israelis do look very Med. I did get good response from club girls, but also a lot of hate from Israeli guys.

Your bigger problem in my experience is that Israelis really are very insular, skeptic and almost xenophobic about foreigners. They'd ask "why are you here". not in a positive way, but in a skeptic way. As if no one but christian pilgrims had an "acceptable" reason for being in Israel.

I'd lie and say I work in one of their Tel Aviv IT biz, then I think it would work.

[rotinz]

(07-23-2018 08:34 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

(07-23-2018 08:01 AM)NomadofEU Wrote:  

Just curious: do Scandinavian looking guys (blond hair/blue eyes) have an advantage with Israeli jewesses? If not, what type of look do these girls respond to?

The Azhkenazi diaspora are really into the nordic look (men and women), but the girls in Israel told me that the ideal there was to look as Mediterranean as possible. Many Israelis do look very Med. I did get good response from club girls, but also a lot of hate from Israeli guys.

Your bigger problem in my experience is that Israelis really are very insular, skeptic and almost xenophobic about foreigners. They'd ask "why are you here". not in a positive way, but in a skeptic way. As if no one but christian pilgrims had an "acceptable" reason for being in Israel.

I'd lie and say I work in one of their Tel Aviv IT biz, then I think it would work.

Yep I think when going to countries like that it's best to give as vanilla a response as possible even if it's not true. Say something like you're working for a company over there, doing a semester over there and so on.

Also how do Israeli/Jewish girls out there feel about western black guys? Do blacks have any kind of notable advantage, is it no difference or a disadvantage? Is hiphop/rap culture big in Israel like it is in some other countries?

[marko888]

Is anyone in Israel that would like to go out to pickup girls in TLV?

[Tribunus]

(07-23-2018 08:01 AM)NomadofEU Wrote:  

Just curious: do Scandinavian looking guys (blond hair/blue eyes) have an advantage with Israeli jewesses? If not, what type of look do these girls respond to?

I live in Tel Aviv. I'd say a Scandinavian look should give you a slight advantage, but only if you're above average looking to start with. There are relatively a lot of good looking guys around, so don't expect a blonde hair to impress girls by itself.

As for other physical traits, I think being tall can be a more significant advantage here than in Europe. I've heard many girls here complaining about Israeli guys being too short.

[TruePro]

(07-23-2018 08:01 AM)NomadofEU Wrote:  

Just curious: do Scandinavian looking guys (blond hair/blue eyes) have an advantage with Israeli jewesses? If not, what type of look do these girls respond to?

Yes is an edge, but like Tribunus said, is more important to be tall.

[Giacomo Casanova]

True Pro, let's not spread useless "standards". I was in Tal Aviv this year and being tall and blond doesn't give you any particular advantage. It's rather important having Mediterranean looks and having a well shaved face to differenciate yourself from the local guys who have mainly dark features and beard. To be honest I didn't find the competition in Israel to be very high. The girls over there are frankly underrated compared to the EE ones. Slim, brunette and friendly but absolutely not easy. Tel Aviv is definitely a nice spot to check out for a motivated player. It is a good place to check your game level.

[benji]

Would love to hit this place up sometime soon. It's ridiculous how many hot women with huge cans are on Instagram from Tel Aviv, i've got a few responses but a lot seem to be tied up already. Giacomo, so being an Aussie with definitely no mediterranean looks, you think it would be a struggle? I'd imagine not being Jewish might make things difficult also? Any idea on a budget for a month long stay? Seems expensive but could be worth it if the women are quality.

[Giacomo Casanova]

I think that it's absolutely no problem. It might generate curiosity and you'll be fine. Actually we were asked many times by girls if we were Jewish...I imagine that it could have an impact with some conservative girls but I didn't care that much.
The city is pretty expensive so for one month stay the budget should be appropriate if you party a lot (at least a couple thousand bucks). Despite the hate on the forum for Tel Aviv, the amount of hot girls especially tourists is unbelievable. Many also of EE background. Highly suggested.

[kbell]

How far would 3000 or 4000 bucks go including airfair in Tel Aviv? I remember 10 years ago Israel was pricey.

[Tribunus]

(07-25-2018 01:55 PM)Giacomo Casanova Wrote:  

True Pro, let's not spread useless "standards". I was in Tal Aviv this year and being tall and blond doesn't give you any particular advantage. It's rather important having Mediterranean looks and having a well shaved face to differenciate yourself from the local guys who have mainly dark features and beard. To be honest I didn't find the competition in Israel to be very high. The girls over there are frankly underrated compared to the EE ones. Slim, brunette and friendly but absolutely not easy. Tel Aviv is definitely a nice spot to check out for a motivated player. It is a good place to check your game level.

I disagree. While being blonde isn't super exotic, it can help you stand out. As for height, many girls here care about that. To my impression, more than in most places. Of course that's not to say that you can't get any love if you don't tick one of those two boxes.
I also don't understand your advice of having a mediterranean look - that's pretty much the opposite of standing out. I do agree about the beard thing - most Israeli guys have some scruff or a beard. Not sure shaving would give you an edge though it might help you look different.
Source: I'm Israeli and have been living in Tel Aviv for a few years.

benji Wrote:

I'd imagine not being Jewish might make things difficult also? Any idea on a budget for a month long stay? Seems expensive but could be worth it if the women are quality.

Not being Jewish shouldn't make things difficult, at least not with girls who are open to ONS. Most people in Tel Aviv are secular and liberal.

As for a budget - the prices are on par with large western European cities. According to this, Tel Aviv is the 4th most expensive city in the world for Airbnb. Hotels are also expensive.
I suggest not flying in here in September because of the Jewish holidays. Flights will be more expensive and many people are on vacation.

[kbell]

Yom kippur, rosh hashana, and a few others. Food is probably pricey too.