[Sabra]

Hey, stumbled across this forum looking for bachelor party locations for my buddy. Great stuff, reminds me a lot of travelling days...

Found some good posts on Israel here
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-2300.h...ght=israel
and here
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-5334.h...hlight=411

but thought the forum could use a good Tel Aviv datasheet. It's where most visitors to Israel will spend most of their time, and anyway this city is constantly changing and updating itself, so by the time u read this and get here the hot spots may have changed already.

First of all, the women are incredibly beautiful and sexy. Especially the ones with eastern background - moroccans, iraqis, yemenites, etc. Dark skin, sultry, long dark hair, you know.

That being said, they aren't easy like in Brazil or SEA. Think you're a player? Come test yourself in Israel. The women are smarter, wittier, tougher, and more independant than what your used to. Doesn't mean they won't jump in bed with u the same night, but u gotta bring game.

Daygame
1. The beach, obviously. It doesn't really matter which beach, but the further north u go (towards Hilton hotel), the more young people and fewer families with babies. Great for picking up local talent or tourists - norwegiens, germans, etc.
2. Park Hayarkon - if u like sporty girls, go to the area around the sportek, do some pushups, and strike up a conversation with the fly girls in the sports bikini. btw, if u play ball, this is the spot for a pickup game
3. Rothschild St - stroll down the chill boulevard and spit coffee shop game

No need to try speaking Hebrew, everyone has conversational english at the least.

Nightgame
There's an infinite list of nightlife in TLV, but a few personal favorites, broken down into price/type

Dive bars/Pubs
There's a ton of dive bars (called pickup bars here) on Allenby St.
Cheers is the best, they play good rock music and always a few single girls here.

Cerveza on Dizengof St - great spot, good layout for initiating conversation. Used to get numbers here without even trying

Anywhere on Lilienblum St - close to Allenby St. for dancing, past Hertzl St. for hipsters.

HaSchena, Ibn Gvirol St. near Park Hayarkon - great for picking up hot cougars, great chill spot in general


Lounges
Used to hit up a place called Villa Sokolov, great spot for opening girls, used to pull here a lot, hope its still live. Meet them on the inside, escalate by the palm trees outside

Dizzy Frishdon, Dizengof St. Cool scene

Anywhere in Neve Tzedek neighborhood. There's a few classy wine spots on the main street Shabazi. Take your date here for 1st date drinks to impress her. Or try 'Vicky Cristina' nightclub/restaurant for trendy girls


Clubs
If your into a younger crowd, try anywhere at the Namal, the port in North TLV. Warning - theres a lot of 'arsim', picture middle east version of guidos, but skinnier, and 'frechas', their version of guidettes.

The Clara, by the beach at the Dolphinareum. Got burnt down last year (didn't pay their mafia protection??), I think its back up this summer, always a hot crowd

etc. etc. - it changes all the time. hit me up if u want more info

Point is, its an amazing place. I lived many years in NYC, and TLV is truly the New York of the middle east. Forget what u see in the news, its a really friendly place, def worth a visit

PS - a word to the black readers. My black friend from Philly was out here six months and cleaned up with the ladies, w/o speaking a word of the language. If u want more info, let me know.

[kbell]

I was thinking of moving there or going there again. The problem is that is expensive to travel there. I got there free on birthright, but had no game at the time. Not sure I'm wild about the independent part. Doesn't being in the army make them more masculine?

[travolta]

thanks for the writeup. I love Israeli women.. definitely among the hottest in the world. What would you say the average cost of living is in TLV? A shitty studio in a decent part of town, mostly cooking/eating out some of the time, going out a few times a week, etc. Basically for someone who doesn't need much luxury, but still wants to go out and party on a regular basis.

[Sabra]

(07-01-2012 05:49 PM)kbell Wrote:  

I was thinking of moving there or going there again. The problem is that is expensive to travel there. I got there free on birthright, but had no game at the time. Not sure I'm wild about the independent part. Doesn't being in the army make them more masculine?

It isn't cheap, but if u move here u get a lot of gov't benefits that help. check website below
http://www.nbn.org.il/aliyahpedia/aliyah-benefits.html

About the women, some can be a little masculine, especially if they served in combat units, but most can be pretty feminine when they want to, wear heels, dresses, etc. Most of the time they're just direct and say what's on their mind. These def aren't docile, compliant asian chics, but they still know how to take care of a man. Once I was trying to wing for a friend, but the girl he wanted just turned to me out of the blue and said 'i don't like your friend, i like you' and dragged me out of the bar

[Marco]

Nice info Sabra.
I would add that if you like the Slavic type look, you can get it also in Tel Aviv as the million or so former FSU immigrants.
A club which I favor is 'Fashion bar' specialized in Slavic crowd.
'Shalvata' in the old port is good for chill out near the beach but in the night becomes very good pickup spot.
For reasonable price apartment try 'Florentin' area, it is mostly for younger, hipster, low-mid level crowd, has its own area for dining, bars etc.

[slubu]

Thanks Sabra, this is great. Do you know anything about Bat Yam? Likely heading out there in August and have a housing hookup there. Too far from the nightlife?

[Sabra]

(07-01-2012 06:19 PM)travolta Wrote:  

thanks for the writeup. I love Israeli women.. definitely among the hottest in the world. What would you say the average cost of living is in TLV? A shitty studio in a decent part of town, mostly cooking/eating out some of the time, going out a few times a week, etc. Basically for someone who doesn't need much luxury, but still wants to go out and party on a regular basis.

Travolta, thanks for the comment. I won't bs you, its not cheap in TLV. If possible, would suggest finding a spot w/ a local roommate, will make things cheaper and give u an in into the nightlife. if u want info on neighborhoods, let me know, glad to help

Short term apts are usuallly in good areas of the city and cost $50 - 100 / night. For longer term, can find places w/ roommates for 16020 - 3000 shekels/month, or studios for 2400 - 4000 shek/month (about 4 shek/$).

Food is cheap to cook, and the fruits and vegetables here will be a revelation to anyone from the US, UK, etc. But going out is expensive, restaurants and drinks on par with an average US city out. You can shop at the shuk to save money, its a great place.

As u get to know the city better, u can start saving decent $.

@kbell, if your still worried about masculine women in the army, found a little video might change ur mind.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBU2hZ2JhbY

[Sabra]

(07-02-2012 08:08 PM)slubu Wrote:  

Thanks Sabra, this is great. Do you know anything about Bat Yam? Likely heading out there in August and have a housing hookup there. Too far from the nightlife?

Thanks Slubu. Bat Yam doesn't have a good rep here, there's a relatively high level of crime. Nice beaches tho. Its not far from TLV, 10 min drive, but does make going out/pulling tougher strategically.

@marco - great addition. Yeah, forgot to mention tons of Eastern European women, Russia, Ukraine, even the occassional Georgia or Moldova. Dated a Russian here for a minute, she gave the most incredible head and could multiple orgasm like crazy (what a confidence booster, lol).

Its funny, but having Russian skills in this country helps not just with their women. just about every bouncer in the city is Russian, so if they're giving u shit at the door, just chat him up in Russian and your in.

[Marco]

Some photos from Fashion Bar:
http://fashionbar.co.il/index.html/he/%D7...057&page=2

Damn this place can compete with the best Soviet spots.

[kbell]

By masculine, I mean ballbusting, feminist, entitled (Jewish women in american are notorious for this if your Jewish yourself). What are divorce rates like there, and is there high levels of False rape? The women usually don't serve in combat in the army. I learned Hebrew for 8 years, but forgot most of it. But when I was there I was starting to remember some. I assume that would help too.

[Sabra]

(07-03-2012 08:15 PM)kbell Wrote:  

By masculine, I mean ballbusting, feminist, entitled (Jewish women in american are notorious for this if your Jewish yourself). What are divorce rates like there, and is there high levels of False rape? The women usually don't serve in combat in the army. I learned Hebrew for 8 years, but forgot most of it. But when I was there I was starting to remember some. I assume that would help too.

@kbell, first of all, besides the religion, there's no similarity at all between JAP's and Israeli women. None. U can tell American girls from a mile away walking down the street here. Its the size, the style, the way they carry themselves, etc.

I don't know what you're getting at with the divorce and false accusations thing. If a girl here tells u she doesn't like u, it doesn't mean she's playing games, it means she doesn't like u, move on. If she does like u, girls here still know how to flirt.

Anyway, about Hebrew, I would def open in English. If u want u can transition to Hebrew after if the girl isn't comfortable in English, but usually they speak enough to have a good conversation, and speaking English puts it on your terms.

And, just for the hell of it, an Israeli band I like, Balkan Beat Box. Anybody heard of it in the US?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zu4kQRnz75E

[kbell]

By the false accusations I'm referring to the spreading type of radical feminism in most Western countries. It is good to know they don't play as much games and can flirt.

[J-Mackin]

(07-01-2012 05:35 PM)Sabra Wrote:  

Hey, stumbled across this forum looking for bachelor party locations for my buddy. Great stuff, reminds me a lot of travelling days...

Found some good posts on Israel here
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-2300.h...ght=israel
and here
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-5334.h...hlight=411

but thought the forum could use a good Tel Aviv datasheet. It's where most visitors to Israel will spend most of their time, and anyway this city is constantly changing and updating itself, so by the time u read this and get here the hot spots may have changed already.

First of all, the women are incredibly beautiful and sexy. Especially the ones with eastern background - moroccans, iraqis, yemenites, etc. Dark skin, sultry, long dark hair, you know.

That being said, they aren't easy like in Brazil or SEA. Think you're a player? Come test yourself in Israel. The women are smarter, wittier, tougher, and more independant than what your used to. Doesn't mean they won't jump in bed with u the same night, but u gotta bring game.

Daygame
1. The beach, obviously. It doesn't really matter which beach, but the further north u go (towards Hilton hotel), the more young people and fewer families with babies. Great for picking up local talent or tourists - norwegiens, germans, etc.
2. Park Hayarkon - if u like sporty girls, go to the area around the sportek, do some pushups, and strike up a conversation with the fly girls in the sports bikini. btw, if u play ball, this is the spot for a pickup game
3. Rothschild St - stroll down the chill boulevard and spit coffee shop game

No need to try speaking Hebrew, everyone has conversational english at the least.

Nightgame
There's an infinite list of nightlife in TLV, but a few personal favorites, broken down into price/type

Dive bars/Pubs
There's a ton of dive bars (called pickup bars here) on Allenby St.
Cheers is the best, they play good rock music and always a few single girls here.

Cerveza on Dizengof St - great spot, good layout for initiating conversation. Used to get numbers here without even trying

Anywhere on Lilienblum St - close to Allenby St. for dancing, past Hertzl St. for hipsters.

HaSchena, Ibn Gvirol St. near Park Hayarkon - great for picking up hot cougars, great chill spot in general


Lounges
Used to hit up a place called Villa Sokolov, great spot for opening girls, used to pull here a lot, hope its still live. Meet them on the inside, escalate by the palm trees outside

Dizzy Frishdon, Dizengof St. Cool scene

Anywhere in Neve Tzedek neighborhood. There's a few classy wine spots on the main street Shabazi. Take your date here for 1st date drinks to impress her. Or try 'Vicky Cristina' nightclub/restaurant for trendy girls


Clubs
If your into a younger crowd, try anywhere at the Namal, the port in North TLV. Warning - theres a lot of 'arsim', picture middle east version of guidos, but skinnier, and 'frechas', their version of guidettes.

The Clara, by the beach at the Dolphinareum. Got burnt down last year (didn't pay their mafia protection??), I think its back up this summer, always a hot crowd

etc. etc. - it changes all the time. hit me up if u want more info

Point is, its an amazing place. I lived many years in NYC, and TLV is truly the New York of the middle east. Forget what u see in the news, its a really friendly place, def worth a visit

PS - a word to the black readers. My black friend from Philly was out here six months and cleaned up with the ladies, w/o speaking a word of the language. If u want more info, let me know.

Sabra, I'm black, 6ft fairly muscular and I have a month's vacation to take from work later in the year and I am not sure where to go yet. I mainly want to go and bang hot chicks. Tell me more about black guys getting ass in Tel aviv cuz this may be a good option for me. Thanks

J-Mackin

[Sabra]

J-Mackin, thanks for the post. Hope u do come out here, its a great place. People tend to be very friendly and outgoing to everyone, and we don't get a lot of black visitors from the West, so you would be 'exotic' to the women.

But for the same reason, people can tend to be a little uninformed, and what they know about black people can be what they've seen in the movies. Also, there's a ton of African immigrants (Sudanese, Eritrea, Nigeria) that have snuck into Israel seeking jobs or refuge, and that's caused a lot of tension in the country. As a westerner, and being built, you will easily stand apart from them due to the way they dress and they're usually very skinny. Just be aware that people here are usually friendly and open but may have some odd preconceptions - don't pay it no mind.

Anyway, my black friend had a great time out here, made a lot of friends and got tons of quality ass. girls used to come up to him in clubs and think he was a DJ or ball player or something, so he would play that angle. he never had a girlfriend while he was out here, just played around and switched them up once a week

If u end up coming out here, let me know if u need advice on hotels/apt's or whatever

[J-Mackin]

(07-06-2012 03:38 AM)Sabra Wrote:  

J-Mackin, thanks for the post. Hope u do come out here, its a great place. People tend to be very friendly and outgoing to everyone, and we don't get a lot of black visitors from the West, so you would be 'exotic' to the women.

But for the same reason, people can tend to be a little uninformed, and what they know about black people can be what they've seen in the movies. Also, there's a ton of African immigrants (Sudanese, Eritrea, Nigeria) that have snuck into Israel seeking jobs or refuge, and that's caused a lot of tension in the country. As a westerner, and being built, you will easily stand apart from them due to the way they dress and they're usually very skinny. Just be aware that people here are usually friendly and open but may have some odd preconceptions - don't pay it no mind.

Anyway, my black friend had a great time out here, made a lot of friends and got tons of quality ass. girls used to come up to him in clubs and think he was a DJ or ball player or something, so he would play that angle. he never had a girlfriend while he was out here, just played around and switched them up once a week

If u end up coming out here, let me know if u need advice on hotels/apt's or whatever

Tel Aviv is a definite possibility, I have it as one of my options this year. Is it good to travel there in November? How diverse is the population? Would i be able to be a few flags under my belt?

[malc]

How is Haifa, Jerusalem, Beer Sheva and other second tier cities in Israel like?

[Sabra]

@malc, cities like haifa, beer sheva, j-lem can be great, but its harder than TLV to find the good scenes unless u have local contacts. The best parties in haifa and beer sheva especially revolve around the student scene, so you'll want to be plugged into that.

Jerusalem is a very confusing city to navigate. It has a good party scene, but its become more divided in recent years between religious and non-religious.

You can find incredible looking women in any city, but personally i'd say start in TLV, make some contacts and then look at the other cities if u want a change. If u want something in-between, try herzilya. It's right on the beach, just north of TLV, and has lots of young israelis and foreigners studying at the Interdisciplinary Center.


@j-mackin, if you're looking to hit the beach, october is more or less the end of the summer season. anyway it rarely gets colder than 10C in TLV in the winter.

the population is pretty diverse - we got fly girls from all over the world, haha. there's the Sephardi side - moroccan, tunisian, libyan, syrian, iraqi, etc., and the Ashkenazi side - polish, ukrainian, russian, romanian, etc. plus lots of tourists from scandanavia, eastern europe, US, Canada, Germany, etc. If u come with game and confidence, no reason u cant get a few great quality lays.

[at350zguyy]

I'm not surprised that guys who can ball will kill it there. My friend is Anthony Parker, who used to play for Maccabi. That's the premier team there, isn't it? I'd like to go to Tel Aviv and ball out there myself.

[qazwsx]

Short piece of Tel-Aviv by "60 Minutes":

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7...ryMediaBox

[Sabra]

(07-09-2012 10:07 AM)at350zguyy Wrote:  

I'm not surprised that guys who can ball will kill it there. My friend is Anthony Parker, who used to play for Maccabi. That's the premier team there, isn't it? I'd like to go to Tel Aviv and ball out there myself.

Haha yeah, there's a bunch of former NCAA and NBA players that come out here and play for Maccabi Tel Aviv, some of them like it so much they move out here permanently. A few that have played here are Marcus Fizer, Carlos Arroyo, Derek Sharp.

@qazwsx - nice video. does a pretty good showing how life really is here - most people want to go to the beach and party and have fun, and not be worried about war all the time. also great hi-tech and entrepreneurial spirit.

[Spike]

(07-01-2012 05:35 PM)Sabra Wrote:  

That being said, they aren't easy like in Brazil or SEA. Think you're a player? Come test yourself in Israel. The women are smarter, wittier, tougher, and more independant than what your used to. Doesn't mean they won't jump in bed with u the same night, but u gotta bring game.

PS - a word to the black readers. My black friend from Philly was out here six months and cleaned up with the ladies, w/o speaking a word of the language. If u want more info, let me know.

These two sentences make me skeptical and I feel Tel Aviv is being overhyped here.

Have you been to Brazil ?

Describe "cleaning up"

One thing i noticed with Israelis that they without exception hype up their country. I met a couple dozen of them.

[Sabra]

(07-11-2012 05:16 PM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  

(07-01-2012 05:35 PM)Sabra Wrote:  

That being said, they aren't easy like in Brazil or SEA. Think you're a player? Come test yourself in Israel. The women are smarter, wittier, tougher, and more independant than what your used to. Doesn't mean they won't jump in bed with u the same night, but u gotta bring game.

PS - a word to the black readers. My black friend from Philly was out here six months and cleaned up with the ladies, w/o speaking a word of the language. If u want more info, let me know.

These two sentences make me skeptical and I feel Tel Aviv is being overhyped here.

Have you been to Brazil ?

Describe "cleaning up"

One thing i noticed with Israelis that they without exception hype up their country. I met a couple dozen of them.

I think you missed the point of what I was saying. If i wanted to overhype the place, would have said that it was easier than Brazil or SEA.

I've been to Brazil, wrote about it here:
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-14126-page-2.html

As far as cleaning up, I described it in my reply above to J-mackin.

Have you been to Israel? I know tons of people who have visited, every one had a great time and was really happy they came. If u have an open mind, its def worth a visit. if not, take a pass.

[Belize King]

Sabra your PM isn't on.

[Sabra]

(07-13-2012 02:19 AM)TexasMade Wrote:  

Sabra your PM isn't on.

OK, I think its on now

[naswanji]

I just got back from Tel Aviv, so let me drop a data sheet to complement Sabra's.

TLV is definitely a trendy city. Some European touches, but the general vibe is more a Brooklyn/San Francisco idea of what's hip than what you'd find in London or Paris. I'm thinking here especially of the Neve Tzedek/Rothschild Blvd areas. But then of course there also deep Middle Eastern and Russian infusions as well that make the place as a whole hard to characterize.

The girls are indeed stunning, and dress very sexy and feminine in the summer months. The army doesn't seem to have hardened them at all, and in fact, even the ones walking around in uniform were pretty hot, still putting on make-up and wearing cammies that are probably too tight to be effective in combat.

Their personalities were tough as is their reputation, and they were not easily impressed. Israel sees lots of tourists and immigrants, so they are very blase about foreigners. I've been living and working for years among their enemy countries in the Middle East, and even that didn't really spark their intrigue -- if anything, it made them wary. The witty, verbal game that I've used with much success on American Jewish girls did not work here either. Israelis do have very good English, but not good enough to appreciate wordplay and other subtleties (by contrast, I've found that northern Europeans as well as upper-class Arabs do have that level of English). I got the sense that a more direct, dominant style of game would be effective here, but I wasn't really able to confirm that in one weeks' time. Maybe Sabra can chime in on this.

My overall takeaway about Israel is that it offers several unique niches/features that make it worth a visit. For example:

If you like Mediterranean-looking women but don't know Spanish, French or Italian, Israeli women might be your best bet. They speak better English than the southern European countries, and are easier to lay. Israel also has better demographics than Spain, Italy or Greece, which all have aging populations -- i.e., less girls in their prime years.

If you like the Arab/Middle Eastern look but don't want to be cockblocked or killed by jealous brothers, in Israel you have a large number of Mizrahi girls who offer the Arab look with none of the drama. I also have reason to believe that the Arab Israeli girls themselves are more liberal about sex than Arab girls elsewhere due to the overall permissive climate.

If you like the Russian look but don't want to wear Gortex nine months out of the year, Israel has had over one million Russian immigrants since the fall of the USSR. You can boff Russian beauties while still enjoying six months of beach and sun a year.

Then, if you like Ethiopian girls (the most beautiful of all black women, IMO) but don't want to travel to a third-world country where you have to take malaria pills everyday, Israel also has that. (Israel helped over 100,000 Ethiopian Jews immigrate in the late 1980s). I'm not sure how open their girls are to being gamed, though. I didn't seem them out much in the nightlife.

Venues

I'd sign off on the general picture given by Sabra. To his daygame list, I would add Azrieli Center, a trendy mall where you can find younger girls than in the nighttime scene. Rothschild Blvd is great for daygame both day and night. You find people chilling on the benches or at various kiosk-cafes there at all hours. The Northern beaches are indeed the better ones to go to, Metzitzim in particular is good.

Nightgame

On weeknights, most of the bars tended to peak around 11 and start to drop off around 12. One bar that I can recommend though in particular is Nanuchka on Lilienblum St. Technically a Georgian restaurant (Georgian as in the country of Georgia), its bar goes strong late into the night with a real let-loose atmosphere, girls dancing on tables, etc. It was still packed at 4 am on a Tuesday night the time I went.

For me, the best bars for pick-up are ones that have lots of "circulation," i.e. people moving around and not sitting in closed groups, and that have spaces where you can escape the noise and lay down some verbal game. Two bars that I found like that in TLV are Har Sinai and Teder. Har Sinai is off of Allenby street (I think?) while Teder is behind a building on Herzl St. Both of these bars spill into the street outside and people are sitting around on cars, benches and other makeshift seats. Very easy opens at these venues, with a real street party atmosphere.

Shabazi street in Neve Tzedek has more wine bars in one square mile than anywhere outside Napa Valley. Probably better as a first date location, if you hit these places early you may be able to run some game.

If you're taking Roosh's five-day challenge...

If I was going back and only had five days to get a bang in Israel, this is how I would structure my day.

Get a studio apartment in the Neve Tzedek/Lilienblum St area. That puts you near the highest concentration of nightlife and a five-minute walk from the beach.

Have your morning coffee at one of the kiosk-cafes on Rothschild Blvd. Lots of people stop by these places for a quick breakfast/coffee before work. Post up at one of these places around 9 or 10 am and you'll see a really high turnover over the course of an hour. Real easy to strike up a convo with anyone at these places. Get warmed up for daygame at least, or maybe even get a casual set in. You're a tourist planning your day, and that girl looks like she could offer some good suggestions, you get the idea.

Daygame on Rothschild Blvd or at HaYarkon Park in late morning, catch girls on coffee or lunch break. When the day starts to heat up, head over to Azrieli Center to game indoors where it's cooler. Late afternoon make your way to the beach, where lots of people will be headed after work. At 6 or so head back to your place to get cleaned up for the evening. Hit up a wine bar around 7, where you can game the waitresses or the first few girls trickling in. Maybe get your dinner in here as well. Post up at one of the pick-up/dive bars around 9 (unfortunately, I didn't get a sense of which places were best on which nights). When the bars start to fall off around midnight (I'm thinking weeknights here), you could hit one of the clubs. Radio EPBG seems to be the most trendy one right now in the Lilienblum St area. The Clara is also pretty close by if you are in Neve Tzedek. You could head out to the clubs at the port in North TLV, but then you're pretty far from your base of operations if you do pull.

You'll have a hard time reaching that "zombie apocalypse" point where you're the only one left on the street. People will be lingering and hanging out on Rothschild as late as 4-5 am, so you could go back to where you started and end the day there by unleashing a few apocalypse openers on the drunk girls staggering around that area. There's also a 24-hour breakfast restaurant called Benedict that gets a pretty good crowd at that hour, lots of drunk groups and a real raucous atmosphere. Be real bold and invite the entire restaurant to your after-party just blocks away...