[MongolianAbroad]

A few folks are commenting along the lines of:

"Paging Hank Moody."

Then when Hank discusses height he gets roasted.

[MongolianAbroad]

(05-15-2018 10:24 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

(05-15-2018 06:56 PM)nek Wrote:  

I got to disagree here a bit. 1) There's a difference between banter with close buddies then some dudes taking shots. 2) Doing this publicly is NOT cool. 3) Doing this in front of women is REALLY NOT cool. Especially since this is something out of your control. Whoever mentioned the pecking order is right.

I got buddies I banter with and we'll go in to each other hard but if we're around other people we don't denigrate each other. This is some weird Western phenomenon with male "friendships" where there's expectations about taking shit from people, in lieu of actual friendships. Oddly enough in these circumstances, the guy giving the most shit writes it off as friendly banter, but when the shoe's on the other foot, he can't handle it as well. This is the guy in the group that is only friends as long as he gets to be "alpha dog" and the shit more often than not rolls one-way. This guy is not a friend, he's using his buddies as a stepping stool to elevate his perceived status, but is friendly enough so as to be able to save face if he gets called out on it. It's a toxic dyanmic where guys put up with it so as to not be excommunicated from the "cool group" or simply due to a fear of confrontation.

Great post.

I had a "friend" I was pretty close with who always busted my balls. I'm not the type to get offended easily but sometimes he would take shit too far. One time in a group of other dudes he referred to me as a "big nose motherfucker". I never talked to him again after that. Now looking back, I probably should've called him out on it, but hindsight is 20/20 and all that.

Good call on cutting him out of your life, no one needs "friends" like that.

This does, however, remind me of a joke:

A little girl gets home from school.

Daughter: "Mom, mom, the kids at school are mean to me and were bullying me!"

Mom: "What did they say?"

Daughter: "They said my mouth is gigantic!"

Mom: "That's nonsense, come here, let me give you a hug!"

Daughter: "Thanks, mom."

Mom: "Okay, now go get the shovel so I can feed you."

[ChefAllDay]

I am a pretty short dude, it used to bother me a bit when I first joined the military at 18, but you toughen up and gain confidence fast in that situation. I only let other guys get away with maybe one or two comments before I shut them down, or cut them out. Sometimes it was as simple as a "fuck you" look but sometimes it took a bit more to have them knock that shit off.

As said earlier it's not worth too much effort worrying about "friends" who act like douche bags. Odds are they are trying to validate themselves due to some insecurity of their own. If a quick correction doesn't bring them in line get rid of them if possible. Lots of advice on the threads (again mostly from Hank) on how to deal with women as a shorter guy. Spend your time time worrying about your objective, not some other insecure dude.

[scotian]

I'm 5'4 and this shit rarely happens to me. The last time that a guy who I didn't know tried to AMOG me by making a comment about my height, it was at a crowed bar while I was talking to two girls and that guy got punched the fuck out. Among friends and at work I roll with it because I can dish it out too; everyone has some type of insecurity, even people with ideal physiques usually have some type of personality trait that you can pick up on, I just make fun of them back and we both laugh. I've heard every short joke, believe me, I work with a bunch of blue collar bone heads and all we do is bust each other's balls all day, short jokes are like water off a duck's back to me now.

For me the thing is that I was "normal" height when I was young and hit puberty pretty early at around 12/13 and until I was 15, I was the biggest bully in my school and a kid that most of my classmates weren't allowed to hang out with. I was smoking darts and breaking hearts as a pre-teen but my asshole demeanor changed by age 15 when all the other dudes outgrew me, I became much more diplomatic. Because of this I was never a pussy or developed many weak traits and I guess people pick up on this because I've always had girl friends, fucked skanks and am treated with respect by my friends and coworkers.

As others have mentioned, its likely not your stature but something about your personality, perhaps you can work on that.

A one-liner I sometimes use when people joke about my height is "I stopped growing when I reached perfection", it usually makes people laugh and the conversation keeps going.

The idea of using inserts to gain a couple of inches seems weird to me, I do often wear leather boots with a heel though. Definitely hit the gym, its bad enough being short but if you're scrawny or fat too then its double shitty, getting a solid build is something totally in your control and people respect guys who obviously work out. I've always had an athletic build and a decent amount of muscle, I upped that by ten pounds in recent years to 170 lbs by doing testosterone injections and hitting the gym regularly. Making enough money to have nice things and being able to spend lots of time travelling banging cute girls who don't care so much about height as back home is cool too.

We don't know much about the details on your uni life but if I was you I'd just cut these guys out and find better friends because guys who talk shit like that in front of girls are fucking dick heads. Most of all, just enjoy being young and having all that easy access to young uni sluts and focus on setting yourself up to be successful, as Linux mentioned, you'll stop really giving a fuck about it by the time you're our age.

[JekyllAndHyde]

(05-15-2018 12:11 PM)N00B Wrote:  

Hi guys. I am a 5'4 guy, and as you can see I get mocked because of my height. It's never women who mock my height, it's always other guys. It doesn't really upset me, but it kinda hurts my pride. There is really only 2 guys who make fun of my height - both being 6ft2. Next year in a literal 365 days I will being going to uni. So I am not too bothered about what those guys really say. I did notice though, the 2 guys try their best to mock me whenever I talk to girls, I usually literally ignore them and the girls usually do so too - most of the girls see them as major dicks (ngl them making fun of me does seem to help, since most girls get comfortable quicker around me). Just wanted to hear from you other short bros about your experiences!

NOT AN INCEL THREAD!!

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If you find a tall girl who is somewhat bangable would you at least go for the approach?
Let's say if you manage to bang her would you say it was well worth it and you'd feel your height is actually less of a setback than it is perceived to be?

[AceP]

(05-16-2018 08:41 AM)JekyllAndHyde Wrote:  

(05-15-2018 12:11 PM)N00B Wrote:  

Hi guys. I am a 5'4 guy, and as you can see I get mocked because of my height. It's never women who mock my height, it's always other guys. It doesn't really upset me, but it kinda hurts my pride. There is really only 2 guys who make fun of my height - both being 6ft2. Next year in a literal 365 days I will being going to uni. So I am not too bothered about what those guys really say. I did notice though, the 2 guys try their best to mock me whenever I talk to girls, I usually literally ignore them and the girls usually do so too - most of the girls see them as major dicks (ngl them making fun of me does seem to help, since most girls get comfortable quicker around me). Just wanted to hear from you other short bros about your experiences!

NOT AN INCEL THREAD!!

thread-14130...pid1783279
If you find a tall girl who is somewhat bangable would you at least go for the approach?
Let's say if you manage to bang her would you say it was well worth it and you'd feel your height is actually less of a setback than it is perceived to be?

I've seen 5'4 guys with 5'11 girls holding hands walking at the mall once (no joke) I was joking with my friend about how they hell they can have sex. The guy's hands probably can't even reach her boobs at women-on-top position lol. Then again he's very buff, and he did managed to pull it off one way or the other

[N00B]

Thank you for all the support guys, I am not offended at all by your advice. I also sense it may just be due to my personality - I am a slightly odd person (Not creepy but more just quirky). I do feel way more hopeful about the future, also today there were 2 instances of them making a height joke.

Instance No1:
They laughed and hugged me, calling me their little brother - I wasn't really mad about that, didn't really care too

Instance No2:

Talking to a girl, and they tried to bring my height up. I kept a straight face and made myself sound very concerned and asked them if they had a good house life/ family life. And was asking them if their family gives them enough attention, and was asking is that the reason they begged for my attention. I then turned around and was carrying my conversation. They then said my name twice, and I didn't respond and they just left.


Also read a few points about comebacks. The thing with comebacks is that these guys are really, really immature. If I say a comeback they end up becoming silent and then mimicking it. Also playing/fighting with pigs gets you muddy. Plus a lot of my comebacks are either super racist or very offensive - not very safe to use in public.

[Crash_Bandicoot]

I'm not a short guy (I'm 5 feet and 10.5 inches), but anytime I go out (nightlife), I do feel just normal because I am only average height. I don't like that.

If you want to gain those few extra inches, you'll have to trade some comfortability away, but in my opinion, its worth it (especially if you do it right)

Here's what I do:

I wear boots with a heel and add the insoles in my boots, and, all of a sudden, I add 3 inches to my height. And to add to that, my hair is a bit puffy, so that adds another half inch.

Here's the math:

5 feet 10.5 inches + 1 inch (shoe heel) + 2 inches (insole of shoe) + 0.5 inches (puffy hair) ~ 6'2'' (6 feet 2 inches). Added 4 inches to my height easily

I now tower over a lot of my competition and I feel confident as hell. Just the fact that I feel taller makes me feel much more in charge

PM me if you want amazon links to what I bought online for lifts/shoes

[godzilla]

Two tall dudes making fun of a short guy for being short are likely extremely insecure about something else.

[Rocha]

(05-16-2018 10:47 AM)AceP Wrote:  

(05-16-2018 08:41 AM)JekyllAndHyde Wrote:  

(05-15-2018 12:11 PM)N00B Wrote:  

Hi guys. I am a 5'4 guy, and as you can see I get mocked because of my height. It's never women who mock my height, it's always other guys. It doesn't really upset me, but it kinda hurts my pride. There is really only 2 guys who make fun of my height - both being 6ft2. Next year in a literal 365 days I will being going to uni. So I am not too bothered about what those guys really say. I did notice though, the 2 guys try their best to mock me whenever I talk to girls, I usually literally ignore them and the girls usually do so too - most of the girls see them as major dicks (ngl them making fun of me does seem to help, since most girls get comfortable quicker around me). Just wanted to hear from you other short bros about your experiences!

NOT AN INCEL THREAD!!

thread-14130...pid1783279
If you find a tall girl who is somewhat bangable would you at least go for the approach?
Let's say if you manage to bang her would you say it was well worth it and you'd feel your height is actually less of a setback than it is perceived to be?

I've seen 5'4 guys with 5'11 girls holding hands walking at the mall once (no joke) I was joking with my friend about how they hell they can have sex. The guy's hands probably can't even reach her boobs at women-on-top position lol. Then again he's very buff, and he did managed to pull it off one way or the other

Height does not matter when man and woman are in the horizontal.

[zatara]

(05-16-2018 06:18 PM)Crash_Bandicoot Wrote:  

I'm not a short guy (I'm 5 feet and 10.5 inches), but anytime I go out (nightlife), I do feel just normal because I am only average height. I don't like that.

If you want to gain those few extra inches, you'll have to trade some comfortability away, but in my opinion, its worth it (especially if you do it right)

Here's what I do:

I wear boots with a heel and add the insoles in my boots, and, all of a sudden, I add 3 inches to my height. And to add to that, my hair is a bit puffy, so that adds another half inch.

Here's the math:

5 feet 10.5 inches + 1 inch (shoe heel) + 2 inches (insole of shoe) + 0.5 inches (puffy hair) ~ 6'2'' (6 feet 2 inches). Added 4 inches to my height easily

I now tower over a lot of my competition and I feel confident as hell. Just the fact that I feel taller makes me feel much more in charge

PM me if you want amazon links to what I bought online for lifts/shoes

What do you do when you start dating a girl (or hell even just hang around with friends) in an environment where you're not wearing your boots? Going to the beach, or are in a no shoes house, whatever. Or when you take off your boots around the house at home with a girl and you're suddenly 3.5" shorter? How do you wear shorts at all?

Going up or down 1" or 1.5" nobody would really notice and you could blame on your shoes casually but 3.5" is a big difference - people definitely notice that. And know you're not actually growing it, that its deliberate/fake.

I think the OP is better off gaining confidence and owning his height than resorting to something that will make him look even more insecure. Better to be a confident 5ft 4 man than an insecure 5ft 7.5 man in high heels. OP as others have said get working out hard, that will boost your confidence massively and get you more respect from guys within a few months.

[Crash_Bandicoot]

(05-17-2018 04:06 AM)zatara Wrote:  

(05-16-2018 06:18 PM)Crash_Bandicoot Wrote:  

I'm not a short guy (I'm 5 feet and 10.5 inches), but anytime I go out (nightlife), I do feel just normal because I am only average height. I don't like that.

If you want to gain those few extra inches, you'll have to trade some comfortability away, but in my opinion, its worth it (especially if you do it right)

Here's what I do:

I wear boots with a heel and add the insoles in my boots, and, all of a sudden, I add 3 inches to my height. And to add to that, my hair is a bit puffy, so that adds another half inch.

Here's the math:

5 feet 10.5 inches + 1 inch (shoe heel) + 2 inches (insole of shoe) + 0.5 inches (puffy hair) ~ 6'2'' (6 feet 2 inches). Added 4 inches to my height easily

I now tower over a lot of my competition and I feel confident as hell. Just the fact that I feel taller makes me feel much more in charge

PM me if you want amazon links to what I bought online for lifts/shoes

What do you do when you start dating a girl (or hell even just hang around with friends) in an environment where you're not wearing your boots? Going to the beach, or are in a no shoes house, whatever. Or when you take off your boots around the house at home with a girl and you're suddenly 3.5" shorter? How do you wear shorts at all?

Going up or down 1" or 1.5" nobody would really notice and you could blame on your shoes casually but 3.5" is a big difference - people definitely notice that. And know you're not actually growing it, that its deliberate/fake.

I think the OP is better off gaining confidence and owning his height than resorting to something that will make him look even more insecure. Better to be a confident 5ft 4 man than an insecure 5ft 7.5 man in high heels. OP as others have said get working out hard, that will boost your confidence massively and get you more respect from guys within a few months.

Don't agree with some of your points here - seems like you're overthinking this all. I'm going to lay out some points here, based on my personal experiences:

1) First off, I understand the general "building game, hit the weights, build confidence, etc etc" is something that can be done and that the forum is a huge proponent on.I am too. But let's be real here - no matter what OP does to improve himself, he's always going to be insecure about his height and height is an important physical trait for women, so it does matter.

I personally grew up with a facial deformity (not extremely, extremely bad - but still pretty bad) on my face, and spent years amping up my game, looks, style, etc etc and it's still in the back of my mind. I just can't hide it - and first impressions do matter in social settings, nightlife, making approaches, etc - no matter how great every other aspect of your looks/game is.

I'm getting my shit fixed in the next few months - because I can, and I have one life to live, so fuck it.

Why not maximize yourself in all those ways AND put a few inches on your height as well? Why is it an either or? What's wrong with that - especially if there's an easy fix, as I described? It literally takes 5 minutes to put insoles in shoes - doesn't have to be boots

The idea of it being fake/deliberate doesn't phase me either - women wear makeup to look hotter, men wear tight shirts and do 100's of bicep curls (while doing no leg work) to look bigger, etc etc. Heck, I grease my hair back to look more Italian sometimes haha

2) For potential girlfriends - I've had plenty of girls over my place, taken off my shoes, and no one has said anything, never noticed, and I have continued to see those women. Besides, if it was a "no shoes" environment, chance are it's a 2nd/3rd/4th date, in which case, OP's solid game would have hooked the chick in already and looks would be less of a factor

For night game/ONS - not a problem.

Honestly, if a girl does ever ask, you can just say that the heel in your boots/shoes is large and that you never noticed

But if 3.5 inches is really too much fear - then sure - feel free to tone it down to 2 inches or whatever. Still an easy fix regardless

[RoastBeefCurtains4Me]

I know tall guys with no game who can't score, and short guys with game who have pretty girlfriends and get obvious IOIs. All things considered, being tall is probably a good thing, but having your shit together and having game matter far more.

[Crash_Bandicoot]

(05-17-2018 04:34 PM)RoastBeefCurtains4Me Wrote:  

I know tall guys with no game who can't score, and short guys with game who have pretty girlfriends and get obvious IOIs. All things considered, being tall is probably a good thing, but having your shit together and having game matter far more.

Having great game as a short guy may put you in the plus in, say, small or mid size American cities, but let's take the case of a large metropolitan city like NYC/Boston/LA/Chicago - or even international ones

I've personally lived in a few large metropolitan cities for a long time and the competition from guys is fierce - guys are good-looking and have a strong sense of game. I turn my back for a second at the club and there's already dudes leeching on my girl. In large American metropolitan cities, you need to especially have both looks and game to be able to compete because you have successful guys from all around the world.

Yeah, OP could practice game for many, many years and be a Casanova - no doubt. But no matter what, when he's competing against top-shelf dudes in international cities, it's going to be a hell of a ride.

My suggestions are more on the practical side: Why not increase your game and put on those extra 3-4 inches? Best of both worlds

Here is my suggestion to any short dude (besides from maximizing game, which is always #1) / OP:
1) Wear shoe lifts. Wear heeled shoes. My hair is puffy as fuck and adds an inch to me - consider a new hairstyle to add as well. Nothing wrong with this.
2) I've asked a lot of women about why they like tall guys. The number one answer is that they feel "protected". If you can prove to be a protector/alpha without having to be tall, you can surpass the "protector" threshold. How do you do this? You need to both prove that you are a protector and milk that social game. Here's an example of a really cool short dude that I know (albeit, from high school in a small city) that displayed this:

Example: One of my buddies is 5'2''. Heck, maybe even shorter - possibly 5'1''. But his social skills are amazing. He's brave and says whatever he wants and it always comes out cool. He is one of the most respected leaders of his social circle. Anything he says, his buddies have his back. Always leading the discussions. Mature, too. He's dating on of the hottest girls I know. And if shit doesn't work out between them, he's got other bitches waiting.

He wouldn't get the time of day in a club where a bitch a) wouldn't his social status b) it's too loud to have a conversation to convey value and c) is piss drunk and just wants to be railed by some incredibly alpha dude.....BUT he would do much better in a low-key social setting where he can display all of his awesome traits

I'm a practical guy, so here's my final input (besides from the usual game advice): hit the shoe lifts, get them boots, think about ways you can show how you are a "protector/alpha/dominant", and maximize social circle game.

Go get 'em, OP

[john1565]

(05-15-2018 12:11 PM)N00B Wrote:  

Hi guys. I am a 5'4 guy, and as you can see I get mocked because of my height. It's never women who mock my height, it's always other guys. It doesn't really upset me, but it kinda hurts my pride. There is really only 2 guys who make fun of my height - both being 6ft2. Next year in a literal 365 days I will being going to uni. So I am not too bothered about what those guys really say. I did notice though, the 2 guys try their best to mock me whenever I talk to girls, I usually literally ignore them and the girls usually do so too - most of the girls see them as major dicks (ngl them making fun of me does seem to help, since most girls get comfortable quicker around me). Just wanted to hear from you other short bros about your experiences!

NOT AN INCEL THREAD!!

Really pathetic! I can feel it. By the way, may I know in which country you are experiencing this?

[gework]

Some good advice.

(05-15-2018 12:11 PM)N00B Wrote:  

I am a 5'4 guy ... really only 2 guys who make fun of my height

And right there you've got the script for a movie.

[The White Wolf]

What sort of footwear would you gents suggest wearing in the summertime for a decent height boost. Obviously can't wear boots year round in temperate climates.

[Fortis]

I'll let you in on a little secret of this forum.

Having met nearly 40 guys In USA and Asia, Most of the men on this forum are not very tall. Quite a few of the strongest players on this forum are shorter than me and I'm 5'8. Do not let this height masturbation get in your head and heart.

The best player I ever met was a 5'4 balding Dominican guy. He even wore a fanny pack sometimes.

Didn't matter all that much. Yes, being taller would make life easier in regards to game and lifestyle, but you cannot do anything about it.

Get some shoe lifts if you must but work on approaching and banging hot girls so that you can see that a short guy who has shit together can do just as well as anyone else.

[Crash_Bandicoot]

(06-02-2018 10:54 PM)The White Wolf Wrote:  

What sort of footwear would you gents suggest wearing in the summertime for a decent height boost. Obviously can't wear boots year round in temperate climates.

Look for shoes with a heel and maybe buy a pair of shoes that are a size bigger than your actual feet so you can fit in insole lifts in there

[Transsimian]

This hairstyle would add a good few inches. It shows you aren't afraid to go outside convention in a way that is congruent with your personal image.

Girls find height attractive because it gives girls the impression you are powerful enough to protect them, a muscular physique can create the same feeling.

Lastly, a severed goblin head is 2018's most unique gift. roses and chocolates create the frame that short guys need to buy her attention, instead, what you really want is something that demonstrates what kind of man you are, in this case, the adventurous type.

[Fortis]

Dwarves haircuts on humans? Heresy. I recommend exterminatus.

[WannaBang]

Get jacked and muscular (but try and maintain a low body fat % to retain facial aesthetics).
I find it hard to believe a woman won't feel protected if the 5'4 man looks like he could pull you apart like paper.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

I'll confirm that a haircut can add height in terms of optics.
Posture also adds something.
Good Looking Loser also writes on his blog about lift shoes for men. Most women don't notice anything.

You don't have to go full-Cobra-Kai mohawk, but those things really work:



Recently I met a guy who had bleached his hair silver and put it all up in the air - all while having his sides shaved. It looked extreme - I had to double check whether he had a cleft lip. He didn't but the haircut fully made him different and clearly much taller looking.

And don't be too proud to use lift shoes. A buddy of mine who is 6"0 worked in Denmark and Sweden for a while. Many of the women he loved to date were tall blonde girls and they are taller than in most countries. With shoes they all towered over him, so he bought himself some lifts in order not to look shorter than them. With them he was 6"2 or 6"3 and not one girl noticed unless he dated them for a longer time. But by then it did not matter anymore.

[Dragan]

Would not worry too much about height, sometimes you can encounter growth spurts when you get out of HS (as was the case with me).

It's something that's out of your control basically.

Hit the weights and focus on personal improvement. Also, if you're in high school, figure out your plan for what you will do after HS. Make some serious money, or get into a good school.

[The White Wolf]

Thanks, appreciate the feedback. There is no denying the importance of a strong physical and mental frame. I know that I still have a long way to come mentally accepting my height. However, I've experienced a noticeable improvement with IOI's from women since hitting the weights hard after graduating college.

I was 5'6" 135 a year ago. Long story short I had to keep a certain playing weight which crippled my chances of adding significant muscle mass in college. I am now 150 and hoping to reach 160 within the next year and maintain from there.

Unfortunately, the mohawk/spiked/dyed hair would not gel with my personality or work for my career (very conservative & old school) but hats off to the guys that can pull that look off.

I'm having issues posting images (there is a link below) but was hoping for suggestions regarding casual summer shoes for the city or boardwalk; something like the Aldo Suede Loafer. Want to see what other ideas you all have.

https://www.aldoshoes.com/us/en_us/p/563...Nwod9foILA