[Saladin]

(10-03-2011 08:32 PM)memcpy Wrote:  

I'm still working my way through the challenge also. Been using and messing around with marketsamurai, and for fun I did research on the phrase "picking up women during the day."

And the top spot belongs to a women's website but it's weak.

Rooshv has the 2nd # of most backlinks 428,176 followed by lovesystems which has around 1 million.

Gmanifesto 3rd most backlinks and a higher quality rating.

It seems like if you want to get to the top 10 spots on google for this phrase it would take some work but is doable. The market consist of a small niche of people around 45,000 who generated those keywords vs the phrase "day game" which has over 4 million dominated by, daygame.com, lovesystems, and others.

Pickup is filled with seo competition.
A lot of the top SEO and IM guys are often involved in the pickup community too, and this leads to every other dude on RSDNation trying out internet marketing. They often try making a pickup site first so thats why there's a lot of competition.

Internet Marketing is the current rage on RSDnation and is getting popular on this forum too, unsurprisingly the guys who get really good at pickup are usually the guys who do well in IM too.

[Andreas]

In challenge.co they suggest to download "market samurai". What is this program?

[swecmzkor]

(10-08-2011 06:03 PM)Andreas Wrote:  

In challenge.co they suggest to download "market samurai". What is this program?

It's a tool they developed to make market research easier. It's not necessary as I think the best tool is googles keyword research tool, but if you want to save time, market samurai is useful.

[ColSpanker]

Been working through the "Challenge" lately. It has a lot of possibilities, but I'm still early in the game. Big problem is finding a nitch which has the right combination of factors to make it profitable.

[Gixxermuscle]

Is there a place for an absolute beginner interested in the world of online marketing discussed in this thread? I honestly do not know where to start. Is the general consensus to complete 'The challenge' first?

[KanyeWest]

(09-26-2011 09:37 AM)Andreas Wrote:  

Affiliate Hustle - aka internet salesperson in pajamas - I was over 25K in the hole from college stuck in my parent's rehab center with no expertise whatsoever. Once I fought off my parent's clever 'get a job' attacks and found a online strategy that was currently working, I was able to make my corporate career's yearly salary in 1 month (4 months into it) selling other people's stuff.

Time Frame - 1 month to 2 years - I've seen kids do 100K in their first month (lucky) to the real hardy people stick it out for 2 years part time to finally hit it big

Pros - You get real good at marketing since that is your only leverage, no inventory, no employees (up to you), travel, it sometimes feels like passive income (more like decaying income), incredibly low start up costs (you can make it big with $0, i did it)

Cons - Nothing lasts forever, easily copied by others, end up with nothing solid in the long term other than your knowledge of marketing, a lot of trial and error

Strategies - Broken down into 2 types: Marketer and Techie

- Marketer - Takes basic course like challenge.co or payperclickformula.com, fails a shit load, finally hits gold with one attempt, does NOT get lured into laziness and greed (save your F'ing money), fails a shit load again, hits gold twice, finally pat yourself on the back

- Techie - Takes basic course like challenge.co or payperclickformula.com, fails a few times, get sucked into blackhatworld.com, uses other people's tools to make a few bucks, gets banned and in trouble a bit, programs an original tool, learn con man tactics to avoid getting caught, spam the internet, profit and hide

Websites - WickedFire.com, AffiliateSummit.com, PPC.bz (its the gossip comedy hub of affiliate marketing, but look at the blogroll for legit blogs of people who are actually making big money)

Haha yep this is me and the places I frequent.

This is a great description of how it went for me. Started about 2 years ago and luckily hit it pretty big from the start. Love that fast money.

Glad to hear you did well too. Are you on Wickedfire or going to Adtech?

Funnily that someone mentioned RSD in this thread as well.... that initial thread on their forum got me started looking into IM. Luckily I made the decision to go straight into paid traffic and not really mess with SEO and things just scaled from there.

Good times.

[Gixxermuscle]

The Challenge seems gimmicky. The guy just talks about nothing for the first 10 minutes. Why are they offering this? What is it they gain, anyone know. They surly are not motivated by altruistic reasons.

[swecmzkor]

They have the challenge of trying to appeal to even grandmas, so there is a lot of fluff. I'd just skip ahead.

[ColSpanker]

There is a lot of good material, if you can get past the hype. It's just a little difficult to process it all. I burned through the course in a week, but I'm ADD. Still don't know where to go with it. I see any "adult" material is a no-no, which makes me wonder where all those pron banner ads come from (not that I ever look at them ).

[manilaguy]

What is it that you and no one else can deliver?

Deliver that. That is my observation. This has to do with personal style. You are a unique little fkcin snow flake and your ass, if expressed thoroughly and honestly, is the only niche you will need.

Once you have the traffic then transition into monetizing.. at this point only should you consider learning about marketing.

[Gixxermuscle]

(10-21-2011 10:47 AM)KanyeWest Wrote:  

(09-26-2011 09:37 AM)Andreas Wrote:  

Affiliate Hustle - aka internet salesperson in pajamas - I was over 25K in the hole from college stuck in my parent's rehab center with no expertise whatsoever. Once I fought off my parent's clever 'get a job' attacks and found a online strategy that was currently working, I was able to make my corporate career's yearly salary in 1 month (4 months into it) selling other people's stuff.

Time Frame - 1 month to 2 years - I've seen kids do 100K in their first month (lucky) to the real hardy people stick it out for 2 years part time to finally hit it big

Pros - You get real good at marketing since that is your only leverage, no inventory, no employees (up to you), travel, it sometimes feels like passive income (more like decaying income), incredibly low start up costs (you can make it big with $0, i did it)

Cons - Nothing lasts forever, easily copied by others, end up with nothing solid in the long term other than your knowledge of marketing, a lot of trial and error

Strategies - Broken down into 2 types: Marketer and Techie

- Marketer - Takes basic course like challenge.co or payperclickformula.com, fails a shit load, finally hits gold with one attempt, does NOT get lured into laziness and greed (save your F'ing money), fails a shit load again, hits gold twice, finally pat yourself on the back

- Techie - Takes basic course like challenge.co or payperclickformula.com, fails a few times, get sucked into blackhatworld.com, uses other people's tools to make a few bucks, gets banned and in trouble a bit, programs an original tool, learn con man tactics to avoid getting caught, spam the internet, profit and hide

Websites - WickedFire.com, AffiliateSummit.com, PPC.bz (its the gossip comedy hub of affiliate marketing, but look at the blogroll for legit blogs of people who are actually making big money)

Haha yep this is me and the places I frequent.

This is a great description of how it went for me. Started about 2 years ago and luckily hit it pretty big from the start. Love that fast money.

Glad to hear you did well too. Are you on Wickedfire or going to Adtech?

Funnily that someone mentioned RSD in this thread as well.... that initial thread on their forum got me started looking into IM. Luckily I made the decision to go straight into paid traffic and not really mess with SEO and things just scaled from there.

Good times.

Kanye and Affliate Hustle,

Was wondering if you could answer a few questions from an absolute noob to the OM world please and thanks:

1) Did you guys know any programing prior to this?
I have been reading up the last few days and so far bought a domain, hosting, and looking at installing wordpress and prosper. Still trying to learn about backlinking, adwords etc...it is so freakin overwhelming. Anyway, is basic programming skills a must? Cause I don't know shit.

2)What is the best way to get going with affliated marketing if you are not very technical (reading wickedfire forums I can hardly follow along with all the terminology)? (PPC, social media ads, etc)

3) Any guides you would recommend, or coaches for that matter?

Thanks!

[ColSpanker]

Yeah, the whole back-linking thing has me confused too. Would like to hear some more information on that too.

[Vacancier Permanent]

I will answer # 2 from my personal experience:

Despite having had an "online" biz as an affiliate marketer for over 3 years, 99.99% of all my advertising has been done offline, that is running classified ads and full page ads in magazines. I'm very lazy as a person and the last thing i want is to be tied in front of my screen for 5-10+ hours a day to monitor new "campaigns" online. Instead, I do it the old school/old fashion way of running ads in newspapers and magazines, then those interested in my product, will go to my site where the system I have in place does everything or almost everything for me. The serious prospects will email me with questions and the real serious ones will call me with their questions. And those who are dead serious, they just buy straight from my site ( a 3K membership, not a 20 bucks ebook LOL). Needless to say those are my favorite prospects/clients! Total daily time to run that baby muse: 1 at most 2 hours a day.

So to answer your question, offline has been the most easiest and efficient and successful way for me to advertise and make sales. (correction: I have done very very little online advertising, so I should perhaps rephrase that to "offline has been very easy and efficient for me". I've been meaning for 3 years now to get some online advertising finally started...) There's really nothing technical in contacting a newspaper/magazine either by phone or by email and requesting their media kit. Now, as I mentioned on my previous post on that thread, this has only and only been possible because I'm promoting a high end product where the high profit margin allows me to be more adventurous and afford to pay anywhere from 1k to 3k per ad (full page ad). And coming full circles on what I mentioned on my previous post on that same thread, product selection is vital for your success. That is why I have the hardest time understanding guys persisting with adsense, clickbank or other cheap and low end items. LOL Unless you have a MASSIVE site with MASSIVE traffic, adsense, clickbank and low items are a waste of time. PERIOD! Ditto for lower priced items. I will never get tird of repeating this fundamental truth/law of business: it takes the same amount of work and resources (time and $) to advertise and sell a crappy and cheap 20 bucks ebooks or CPA offer than it does a 2-3k service/membership netting you 500-1k/sale. With $5-$20 or even $50 commissions, you might make a living provided you have a massive list and or traffic; with 1K commission/sale, you're redesigning your lifestyle. So choose carefully...

(10-22-2011 10:32 PM)Gixxermuscle Wrote:  

2)What is the best way to get going with affliated marketing if you are not very technical (reading wickedfire forums I can hardly follow along with all the terminology)? (PPC, social media ads, etc)

Thanks!

[swfter2456]

(10-26-2011 10:18 PM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  

I will answer # 2 from my personal experience:

Despite having had an "online" biz as an affiliate marketer for over 3 years, 99.99% of all my advertising has been done offline, that is running classified ads and full page ads in magazines. I'm very lazy as a person and the last thing i want is to be tied in front of my screen for 5-10+ hours a day to monitor new "campaigns" online. Instead, I do it the old school/old fashion way of running ads in newspapers and magazines, then those interested in my product, will go to my site where the system I have in place does everything or almost everything for me. The serious prospects will email me with questions and the real serious ones will call me with their questions. And those who are dead serious, they just buy straight from my site ( a 3K membership, not a 20 bucks ebook LOL). Needless to say those are my favorite prospects/clients! Total daily time to run that baby muse: 1 at most 2 hours a day.

So to answer your question, offline has been the most easiest and efficient and successful way for me to advertise and make sales. (correction: I have done very very little online advertising, so I should perhaps rephrase that to "offline has been very easy and efficient for me". I've been meaning for 3 years now to get some online advertising finally started...) There's really nothing technical in contacting a newspaper/magazine either by phone or by email and requesting their media kit. Now, as I mentioned on my previous post on that thread, this has only and only been possible because I'm promoting a high end product where the high profit margin allows me to be more adventurous and afford to pay anywhere from 1k to 3k per ad (full page ad). And coming full circles on what I mentioned on my previous post on that same thread, product selection is vital for your success. That is why I have the hardest time understanding guys persisting with adsense, clickbank or other cheap and low end items. LOL Unless you have a MASSIVE site with MASSIVE traffic, adsense, clickbank and low items are a waste of time. PERIOD! Ditto for lower priced items. I will never get tird of repeating this fundamental truth/law of business: it takes the same amount of work and resources (time and $) to advertise and sell a crappy and cheap 20 bucks ebooks or CPA offer than it does a 2-3k service/membership netting you 500-1k/sale. With $5-$20 or even $50 commissions, you might make a living provided you have a massive list and or traffic; with 1K commission/sale, you're redesigning your lifestyle. So choose carefully...

(10-22-2011 10:32 PM)Gixxermuscle Wrote:  

2)What is the best way to get going with affliated marketing if you are not very technical (reading wickedfire forums I can hardly follow along with all the terminology)? (PPC, social media ads, etc)

Thanks!

How do you go about finding mid to high commission/sale items? I only know of clickbank which only has ebooks.

[November]

If you're looking to get into affiliate marketing, my general advice would be stay away from it. Or rather, go at it from a different angle than the other 99% of CPA marketers.

I used to do the traditional CPA marketing thing (throw up a lander, drive traffic, optimize, profit) but I got out of the game because it became difficult to find quality offers and I was just fed up with promoting lame, gimmicky products.

That being said, I think there are still plenty of ways to break into online advertising. The best field to get into is probably lead generation where you generate interest and identify potential customers in a specific niche or for a specific company.

Or, you could simply get on the other side of the affiliate marketing scene -- where YOU build a product/offer and then go directly to the affiliate networks and have other marketers promote it for you. This is way more efficient than being one of the monkeys on the other side of the equation. You're much more independent with an approach like this.

Oh, and in regards to where to find good offers... clickbank is probably a network you want to stay away from. Because they're a free, open network all of their offers are going to be pretty saturated. I would go find a private affiliate network (Neverblue, Ads4Dough, EWA, etc.) and apply (it's not difficult to get in usually). That way you've got access to better offers and you'll be able to ask your affiliate manager for some guidance. If you're looking for offers with really big commissions ($500-1k), I'd suggest shopping around for stuff like online casino registrations, CPA marketing products (Guru-type stuff, like Frank Kern products).

If anyone wants more info on aff marketing, lead gen or anything like that, shoot me a PM. Used to do a lot of this stuff and was pretty successful in the leadgen field.

P.S. Remember this: everything in marketing can be outsourced. Don't bother getting really good at the technical aspects (design, coding, etc.) because in the long run, it will be more efficient to just outsource those. Focus on becoming a good copywriter and media buyer (learn bidding strategies, find out the best places to buy ads).

[Vacancier Permanent]

Everyone should learn the following lines by heart and stick to them like gospel when it comes to online or offline marketing for that matter. Very wise words. Oh and stick to high end products, not cheap ebooks. As a matter of fact, as of next week, I'll get bumped from 1k/sale to 2k/sale. A total game changer!

(11-11-2011 03:59 AM)November Wrote:  

P.S. Remember this: everything in marketing can be outsourced. Don't bother getting really good at the technical aspects (design, coding, etc.) because in the long run, it will be more efficient to just outsource those. Focus on becoming a good copywriter and media buyer (learn bidding strategies, find out the best places to buy ads).

[birth]

(09-26-2011 06:42 AM)swecmzkor Wrote:  

yadda yadda

yeah reading through your description I'm sure that we've probably met in person at some affiliate summit.

Started internet Marketing 3 years ago, made my first million this year. Free trials in 08 and 09 and Groupon this year definitely helped. It's not really about being smart but rather about having money to play with and being persistent.

PS: Wickedfire isn't what it used to be. Very rare to find good info on there anymore.

[Jezebelle Slayer]

Has anyone who has completed the Challenge purchased the programs used in the training or are there cheaper alternatives for people who want to get started? Market Samurai seems like a decent investment, but some of the other programs (Wordpress Direct and Ping Kaching) are costly.

[ColSpanker]

I still have a WP account. The one advantage to it that I can see is you are allowed to create a blog or website. Watch out, however, any site with "blog" in the addy will attract spambots.

[Jezebelle Slayer]

(12-23-2011 11:11 AM)ColSpanker Wrote:  

I still have a WP account. The one advantage to it that I can see is you are allowed to create a blog or website. Watch out, however, any site with "blog" in the addy will attract spambots.

Do you have the free or one of the paid accounts?

[KanyeWest]

(12-08-2011 03:49 PM)birth Wrote:  

(09-26-2011 06:42 AM)swecmzkor Wrote:  

yadda yadda

yeah reading through your description I'm sure that we've probably met in person at some affiliate summit.

Started internet Marketing 3 years ago, made my first million this year. Free trials in 08 and 09 and Groupon this year definitely helped. It's not really about being smart but rather about having money to play with and being persistent.

PS: Wickedfire isn't what it used to be. Very rare to find good info on there anymore.

Nice good to see a couple of other strong affiliate marketers here... I started pretty much same time as you and done my share of trials, plus dating and mobile over the years.... I agree that persistence and hard work will get you much further than being "smart". I know tons of guys who've never made a single original campaign and just jack other peoples shit and still make a ton of money.

Been in the game a few years, made a couple million and now looking to diversify into other projects - I think there's only so long you can do affiliate marketing before you get burnt out and need to change direction. Moving to Brazil in the New Year permanently and going to be setting up an office in Sao Paulo with some employees etc and build out plenty of new businesses in Brazil.... the potential there is insane.

Are you going to Affiliate Summit West?

[WanderingSoul]

Two multi-millionaires in this thread? Guys mind dropping some knowledge on us? I've made multi-thousands through IM, but not multi-millions. What kind of IM are you guys into? I assume not your standard Clickbank offers?

[ColSpanker]

I've just switched to a paid WP account for my main blog. They do have some good anti-spam warez, but you do need to pay for it. Money well spent, now that I had to delete a lot of spam accounts.

[gonzoman925]

40k of student debt,post grad trying to pick up a job in a depressed shitty UK market. i've got to say this affiliate stuff sounds very interesting. will take up 'the challenge' and report on my findings to help others do the same.

cheers swecm and vacancier for their fantastic posts.

p.s. how many fricking people on here are millionaires??

[travolta]

(09-25-2011 02:34 AM)Andreas Wrote:  

I have seen "the warrior" forums for online marketing but the info there is simply in collosal amounts and it's hard for me to find an edge to get started.

http://www.stackthatmoney.com

it's a paid forum but there is some GREAT information and it's well run.