[the Thing]

I don't know if related, but back in 2016, I went clubbing with a forum member exactly one night after I took my first ever test E shot. Girls all over the club were swarming over me saying how handsome I was, trying to make out with me etc. without me having to do jack shit while my friend got freeze outs left and right, despite him being an entire SMV point (maybe 2) above me.

This did not happen with subsequent test shots however. It may be that the body responds to a sudden spike in testosterone levels by secreting something. It may also be entirely coincidental. Just my $0.02

[gringoed]

Don't wear deodorants or colognes or whatever bullshit that makes you smell "like a man". This is corporations trying to convince you there's something wrong with you and the solution is to give them money. It's a scam. Don't be ashamed to let your natural odor come through a little (not a lot), women are mesmerized by it. Do you enjoy the scent of a woman first thing in the morning? It's mesmerizing, right? Let mother nature do her job. Wear some baking soda and call it a day.

[Beyond Borders]

(05-29-2018 05:37 AM)ShuaiGe Wrote:  

I already called you out for the troll you are here:

(01-03-2018 05:13 AM)ShuaiGe Wrote:  

(12-25-2017 12:32 PM)AffNomad Wrote:  

I'm in front of the screen 7-14 hours/day but get 80% of my productivity done in probably 5. Usually. Some days I'm online 15 hours and effective every minute of it.

(12-25-2017 03:16 AM)AffNomad Wrote:  

I go on/off craving lots of sex, during "on" phases it'll be 3-7 girls/week, frantic compulsion for more more more, hard o think about anything else. Slow phases more like 1-2.

...

Also at this point, I'm not turned on by a girl after 1 time having sex. Maybe 2-3x, but typically we're talking 1 and I'm completely over it

Congratulations on those truly unbelievable numbers

Works of fiction. I suggest no one to take anything you say seriously.

Get a new account and try again, bullshitter.

LOL What exactly was so unbelievable about any of those stated numbers?

Calm your ass down, tough guy.

(05-29-2018 05:48 AM)ShuaiGe Wrote:  

Leave the forum AffNomad

Or try to actually use it to improve your life rather than trolling it.

But really, your little game is already over, it's time to stop posting now.

You have ZERO credibility on this forum.

Where exactly do you get off "calling people out" and telling them to "stop posting now."

Whether you believe the OP's claims about pheromones or not is irrelevant, and he hasn't done anything so out of line that his assurance he's not selling anything here needs to be met with that kind of hostility.

In any case, YOU'RE the one reading like a troll in this thread.

(05-29-2018 01:12 PM)kuqezi Wrote:  

Pheromones are real and studied and their effect is very obvious!
As said above here they're produced by our body in different situations.
Manufacturing them is very dumb since it's a lost battle. Practically you will be producing some sort of fragrance that does nothing!

(05-29-2018 01:12 PM)kuqezi Wrote:  

I forgot...DELETE this useless thread!

You just said in your first post that pheromones are real and have an effect that's proven by studies.

Then a moment later, you (yet another no name, no cred member) arrogantly command this thread be deleted? If there's a significant effect, there's no reason the topic shouldn't be discussed. Some of us find it interesting irregardless of OP's business interests, as most players would.

Some of you newbs are really getting ahead of yourselves....

With these attitudes, I wouldn't be surprised if you two find yourselves banned before him.

Slow your roll a bit, eh.

[torridon747]

I've been using pheremones since I was 16. I started out using premade formulas and buying colognes but quickly realized they were inconsistent and annoying to dose.

Aboit 3 years ago I startes buying precisely dosed extracts and found my favorite cologne (a girl I was with said the smell of it alone made her wet, even if she was just walking through the mall, and she was hot so I just went with it, I also liked the smell). I heavily researched some popular pheremones, figured out what they're used for and made casual inferences on their function in humans. I wore each isolated pheremone I picked for like a week at a time. Then used the base cologne as a control. I've also conducted blind studies with women I'm banging and got pretty clear answers on which ones made them wet, or they just liked, or what made them feel comfortable. After a while I formulated something that just seems to work.

Pheremones aren't a spanish fly, and in my experience they don't magically make girls want to bang you if you're an ugly simp with bad game [i used pheremones before I knew what game was].

But do get compliments and initial i want to fuck you looks all the goddamn time, it's actually ridiculous. Sometimes women I meet stop in their tracks look me deas in the eyes and say "you smell good" before they even know what they're saying. It actually happened today in a dentists office just like that. Cute dental assistant came in while I was in the chair started talking with the girl who she was changing shifts with stopped mid sentence looked me up and down and said "you smell good", definitely caught me off guard, other female dentsl assistant giggled so did the first one and said "and we appreciate that" (obviously alluding to the fact other people that come in smell bad, it's not magic like I said). Stuff like that happens weakly.

I've also had girls say "I missed your smell" while inhaling deep into my chest and neck, seen girls pupils widen (some pheremones have GABA activity), and all manner of other shit that shows me my work had paid off. I'm convinced external pheremones work in conjunction with my natural profile to make me more attractive to women.

I also incorporate it into my game. When kino is getting heavy and I know I smell fresh as fuck I almost always tell a girl "you smell good" during early-mid phases of escalation. It does a great job at building comfort and eliminating some LMR and shows intent.

It's not magic but I'm sure it gives me an edge and in the game I'll take any advantage I can get. I'll convert my jumbled notes intona datasheet someday. But everyones natural pheremone profile is different and I'm sure what mostly triggers attraction is testosterone metabolites. So if you have hight T and use a test metabolite you can encounter what the pheremone community calls "ghosting" which essentially means your pheremone profile doesn't make sense to someones nose and they ignore you. I'm also convinced there can be some real congruence issues, like imagine you smell like an alpha badboy that's been fucking attractive women all day but you look like an ugly nerd with shitty posture a bad walk and weak eye contact, that probably does more harm than good - probably makes a girl not trust you. It's pretty heavily nuanced.

I encourage people to give pheremones a try and check out some forums. There are actually a lot of studies out too, though most are inconclusive for a lot of reasons.

[ShuaiGe]

(07-11-2018 03:49 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

(05-29-2018 05:37 AM)ShuaiGe Wrote:  

I already called you out for the troll you are here:

(01-03-2018 05:13 AM)ShuaiGe Wrote:  

(12-25-2017 12:32 PM)AffNomad Wrote:  

I'm in front of the screen 7-14 hours/day but get 80% of my productivity done in probably 5. Usually. Some days I'm online 15 hours and effective every minute of it.

(12-25-2017 03:16 AM)AffNomad Wrote:  

I go on/off craving lots of sex, during "on" phases it'll be 3-7 girls/week, frantic compulsion for more more more, hard o think about anything else. Slow phases more like 1-2.

...

Also at this point, I'm not turned on by a girl after 1 time having sex. Maybe 2-3x, but typically we're talking 1 and I'm completely over it

Congratulations on those truly unbelievable numbers

Works of fiction. I suggest no one to take anything you say seriously.

Get a new account and try again, bullshitter.

LOL What exactly was so unbelievable about any of those stated numbers?

Calm your ass down, tough guy.

(05-29-2018 05:48 AM)ShuaiGe Wrote:  

Leave the forum AffNomad

Or try to actually use it to improve your life rather than trolling it.

But really, your little game is already over, it's time to stop posting now.

You have ZERO credibility on this forum.

Where exactly do you get off "calling people out" and telling them to "stop posting now."

Whether you believe the OP's claims about pheromones or not is irrelevant, and he hasn't done anything so out of line that his assurance he's not selling anything here needs to be met with that kind of hostility.

In any case, YOU'RE the one reading like a troll in this thread.

Broken Borders, people use quotes to add credibility to what they claim all the time. That's the way it works, I'm not saying trust me for no reason because I have so many rep points, the quotation of what AffNomad said stands on its own, and looking at what AffNomad said it's evident he's a liar, come on, think about it.

Here's an example of how a quote adds credibility:

You're criticizing me for doing the same thing you're doing right now.

(07-11-2018 03:49 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

Where exactly do you get off "calling people out"...

So if I say you're being hypocritical do you have me or yourself to blame?

[rottenapple]

(07-11-2018 06:34 AM)Eugenics Wrote:  

I've been using pheremones since I was 16. I started out using premade formulas and buying colognes but quickly realized they were inconsistent and annoying to dose.

Aboit 3 years ago I startes buying precisely dosed extracts and found my favorite cologne (a girl I was with said the smell of it alone made her wet, even if she was just walking through the mall, and she was hot so I just went with it, I also liked the smell). I heavily researched some popular pheremones, figured out what they're used for and made casual inferences on their function in humans. I wore each isolated pheremone I picked for like a week at a time. Then used the base cologne as a control. I've also conducted blind studies with women I'm banging and got pretty clear answers on which ones made them wet, or they just liked, or what made them feel comfortable. After a while I formulated something that just seems to work.

Pheremones aren't a spanish fly, and in my experience they don't magically make girls want to bang you if you're an ugly simp with bad game [i used pheremones before I knew what game was].

But do get compliments and initial i want to fuck you looks all the goddamn time, it's actually ridiculous. Sometimes women I meet stop in their tracks look me deas in the eyes and say "you smell good" before they even know what they're saying. It actually happened today in a dentists office just like that. Cute dental assistant came in while I was in the chair started talking with the girl who she was changing shifts with stopped mid sentence looked me up and down and said "you smell good", definitely caught me off guard, other female dentsl assistant giggled so did the first one and said "and we appreciate that" (obviously alluding to the fact other people that come in smell bad, it's not magic like I said). Stuff like that happens weakly.

I've also had girls say "I missed your smell" while inhaling deep into my chest and neck, seen girls pupils widen (some pheremones have GABA activity), and all manner of other shit that shows me my work had paid off. I'm convinced external pheremones work in conjunction with my natural profile to make me more attractive to women.

I also incorporate it into my game. When kino is getting heavy and I know I smell fresh as fuck I almost always tell a girl "you smell good" during early-mid phases of escalation. It does a great job at building comfort and eliminating some LMR and shows intent.

It's not magic but I'm sure it gives me an edge and in the game I'll take any advantage I can get. I'll convert my jumbled notes intona datasheet someday. But everyones natural pheremone profile is different and I'm sure what mostly triggers attraction is testosterone metabolites. So if you have hight T and use a test metabolite you can encounter what the pheremone community calls "ghosting" which essentially means your pheremone profile doesn't make sense to someones nose and they ignore you. I'm also convinced there can be some real congruence issues, like imagine you smell like an alpha badboy that's been fucking attractive women all day but you look like an ugly nerd with shitty posture a bad walk and weak eye contact, that probably does more harm than good - probably makes a girl not trust you. It's pretty heavily nuanced.

I encourage people to give pheremones a try and check out some forums. There are actually a lot of studies out too, though most are inconclusive for a lot of reasons.

Looking forward to that datasheet Eugenics! I used to be up to date with this stuff some years ago, but today I have no idea anymore what I could trust and what not. Anyway I agree with your observations, it does something, but it's very specific to the individual and the situation.

[AffNomad]

(07-09-2018 08:12 AM)BelyyTigr Wrote:  

I've been wondering about this. Firstly ofcourse we need to accept that human attraction is more complex than breeding pigs.
Looks, game, social circles etc are all important in human life.

Now ok, pheromones are real and DO have an effect. But why is it people think about conscious scents but the people don't swear by such and such pheromones? Normal fragrances are multi-billion companies and can cost substantial sums of money. But phero companies don't tend to look overly professional. And they aren't making huge sales (as far as I know). I accept that the mainstream isn't always right. And some might consider using pheros as "taboo" because it could be considered "cheating". But the fact remains, traditional fragrances are believed in. Phero ones are seen as some sort of "eccentric fringe" populated by companies that often look like they were started as a semi joke by kids fresh out of college.

I wonder how the ideal scent/phero would be created. I'm sure fucking, good T levels, energetic exercise produce certain good pheromones. Likewise being in a nice clean, prosperous environment would produce good scents or even pheromones. Not a dusty student gaff that smells of dog piss and damp. Probably smelling of multiple female fragrances could be helpful. Then if I was saying targeting a girl who was born in Seville (smells of oranges in Summer) but moved to England very young, then maybe a fragrance with orange/citrusmight makes sense?


Alternatively, I wonder if there's such a thing as an "attack weapon" of specific pheromones. Something more tweaked towards individual women? Something that triggers automatic reflexes? I'm guessing just as women choose to marry different types, their sexual/dating respnonses most likely show variety.

PS I wonder if we need a "congruence" in our pheromones. I mean, can women subconsciously work out if pheromones are artificial or (even worse!) belonging to someone else?

There are 2 types of companies selling pheromones. 1. Cos run by chemists who are essentially PhDs with super nerdy interest in pheromones, actually making great products that work. But these guys don't know the first thing about marketing so the only people that find them are specifically looking for pheromones and see them on forums or through SEO traffic. 2. The cos run by marketers.. their marketing is decent but tbh pretty 2010. Their products pretty uniformly have shit reviews, google pherazone etc and you'll see that on any reputable forum ie pherotruth these products are seen as a joke. Some big companies have claimed to put pheromones in their fragrances but haven't made any real push in terms of bona fide science. In fact my research aide found a study analyzing contents of 12 mass market parfums claiming to have pheromones and in gas mass spectronomy readings only 4-5 had measurable amounts. My goal is to combine the best of both.. solid products that get results + marketing that brings the category to the masses.

Interesting you bring up smelling of multiple female fragrances, pretty sure you mean because it projects pre selection. Check out "copulins". Copulins are long chain fatty acids secreted by the vagina in times of arousal.. and they stink. And also are added to pheromone blends by some chemists because they do trigger pre-selection.. quite aggressively.

There are blends tweaked towards different women. Older women respond differently than younger women to different pheromone molecules. Asians respond differently than blacks. etc etc. And it'll all depend on the user's natural signature. A client in my other company has loose involvement with a funded genetic ai co and suggested licensing their tech at some point to map identifiers and create more custom blends or categories.. love the idea as an eventual.

Re: congruence. Women can't subconsciously work out if the -mones are synthetic, provided the chemistry is on point. But if a beta bitch wears mones that carry the signature of a semi-dangerous alpha sex appeal james bond motherfucker, congruence becomes an issue and people (men and women) will intuitively be a little weirded out, not in a good way.

[AffNomad]

(07-11-2018 06:34 AM)Eugenics Wrote:  

I've been using pheremones since I was 16. I started out using premade formulas and buying colognes but quickly realized they were inconsistent and annoying to dose.

Aboit 3 years ago I startes buying precisely dosed extracts and found my favorite cologne (a girl I was with said the smell of it alone made her wet, even if she was just walking through the mall, and she was hot so I just went with it, I also liked the smell). I heavily researched some popular pheremones, figured out what they're used for and made casual inferences on their function in humans. I wore each isolated pheremone I picked for like a week at a time. Then used the base cologne as a control. I've also conducted blind studies with women I'm banging and got pretty clear answers on which ones made them wet, or they just liked, or what made them feel comfortable. After a while I formulated something that just seems to work.

Pheremones aren't a spanish fly, and in my experience they don't magically make girls want to bang you if you're an ugly simp with bad game [i used pheremones before I knew what game was].

But do get compliments and initial i want to fuck you looks all the goddamn time, it's actually ridiculous. Sometimes women I meet stop in their tracks look me deas in the eyes and say "you smell good" before they even know what they're saying. It actually happened today in a dentists office just like that. Cute dental assistant came in while I was in the chair started talking with the girl who she was changing shifts with stopped mid sentence looked me up and down and said "you smell good", definitely caught me off guard, other female dentsl assistant giggled so did the first one and said "and we appreciate that" (obviously alluding to the fact other people that come in smell bad, it's not magic like I said). Stuff like that happens weakly.

I've also had girls say "I missed your smell" while inhaling deep into my chest and neck, seen girls pupils widen (some pheremones have GABA activity), and all manner of other shit that shows me my work had paid off. I'm convinced external pheremones work in conjunction with my natural profile to make me more attractive to women.

I also incorporate it into my game. When kino is getting heavy and I know I smell fresh as fuck I almost always tell a girl "you smell good" during early-mid phases of escalation. It does a great job at building comfort and eliminating some LMR and shows intent.

It's not magic but I'm sure it gives me an edge and in the game I'll take any advantage I can get. I'll convert my jumbled notes intona datasheet someday. But everyones natural pheremone profile is different and I'm sure what mostly triggers attraction is testosterone metabolites. So if you have hight T and use a test metabolite you can encounter what the pheremone community calls "ghosting" which essentially means your pheremone profile doesn't make sense to someones nose and they ignore you. I'm also convinced there can be some real congruence issues, like imagine you smell like an alpha badboy that's been fucking attractive women all day but you look like an ugly nerd with shitty posture a bad walk and weak eye contact, that probably does more harm than good - probably makes a girl not trust you. It's pretty heavily nuanced.

I encourage people to give pheremones a try and check out some forums. There are actually a lot of studies out too, though most are inconclusive for a lot of reasons.

Thanks for the story! Am sure we've probably tried some of the same blends.. I started around 16 as well. I've also been frustrated by inconsistency found in most commercial products.. now that I've been pretty involved on the manufacturing side of this for a couple months I've learned some pretty interesting shit that explains this. Good news is that as you've found, controlling supply chain/ quality is actually fucking easy. You just can't be greedy as a corp entity giving product you know to be subpar. Ie a brand gets a lot of buzz and loyal users at X concentration, then a year later they start giving the same blend but in X-5 concentration to cut costs..

[AffNomad]

(07-11-2018 03:23 AM)the Thing Wrote:  

I don't know if related, but back in 2016, I went clubbing with a forum member exactly one night after I took my first ever test E shot. Girls all over the club were swarming over me saying how handsome I was, trying to make out with me etc. without me having to do jack shit while my friend got freeze outs left and right, despite him being an entire SMV point (maybe 2) above me.

This did not happen with subsequent test shots however. It may be that the body responds to a sudden spike in testosterone levels by secreting something. It may also be entirely coincidental. Just my $0.02

It's possible but test E is a longer form ester if I remember correctly so I don't think it'd give you a spike like that. My guess is just that shooting test gave you the placebo of being juiced up so you behaved more alpha.

[crispytaco]

I had a experience with one of them.
I was using them seeing if I notice something different. But later I used it just because I liked that fragance.
One day I was banging a chick around 3pm. She had in 5 minutes a crazy orgasm. And after that she looked at me very seriously and said " Are you wearing a pheromone perfume"
Me: Why?
Her: Because you made me cum, and I don't like to at this time of the day, because I return to work sleepy. I couldn't hold myself.

Then I realized i had that product in my body.

[JackinMelbourne]

Is it true that you can cut out the middle man by rubbing your dick along the tops of your wrists several time a day? (each time you go to the bathroom)

...Apparently the pheromones from your dick become airborne as you move your hands around while walking, gesturing and grabbing people by the throat.