Quote: (05-14-2018 06:39 PM)Tiger Man Wrote:
Quote: (05-14-2018 06:16 PM)MrLemon Wrote:
I get a little tired of this conversation because nobody is discussing the core issue.
Nothing has changed about behavior...nothing.
What has changed is that Feminist activists have very successfully subverted the legal system.
They have "re-defined" the legal definition of rape away from it's historic norms. They did this intentionally, with explicitly dishonest and illegal methods. And they succeeded. They simply changed what "rape" is, and then used the media to pound this lie into the minds of the public and all the lawmakers.
20 years ago, NOBODY would have agreed that a girl who gets drunk and has sex was raped. NOBODY would have convicted Bill Cosby for rape. Because rape required an element of force or some type of fraud. if you drugged a girl, it was rape. If she took the drugs willingly, it was NOT rape. False rape accusations were understood to be an everyday occurrence and the police very quickly kicked those assholes out of the station.
There was a clear concept of consent.
That is now gone. Rape is now "whatever the girl feels". What is truly frightening is that nobody...not men, not judges, not legal scholars...have gone to the source of this perversion. The legal system have been completely twisted by a small group and we just let them do it.
Every single time you debate rape without bringing up this issue of re-definition, you are wasting time. And you are allowing this country to slide further into a police state. Because this is exactly what police states do. They randomly re-define laws, and jail people, based on the whims of the latest political fad.
But don't the redefinitions, in the way they are applied to the public, cause a change in behavior?
We redefined marriage from an indissoluble union between a man and a woman to a weak contract between whoever wants to sign a piece of paper. The result, after several years, is a monumental drop in marriage rates.
We redefined rape (which yes, we absolutely did), and now we have entire threads on this forum dedicated to "Should I record all of my sexual conquests?". A few weeks ago, I was telling another forum member to consider a sexual consent waiver.
I don't disagree with your point on redefinition. I totally agree on that point. And, I think you are right in that we do not discuss this enough. But I also think that all of this is, slowly but surely, moving the behavior of people in line with the laws. That is the end goal of the true believers and a disastrous outcome for the overwhelming majority of (normal) people.
Of course there is a reaction to this legal redefinition, but that comes after. MrLemon pointed out that what changed was not human behavior, but the law.
Now, people are realizing how ridiculous the law is and are changing their behavior as a response.
The post above by Kamoz is a good illustration of how this manifests in society.
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